Two Timing Girlfriends

[MC.]

Hi, I'm hoping I could get some help on how to trigger this. Maybe we can work together on how to get this to work.

 

 

Jealous girlfriends

 

  Thanks to Carl Johnson and pdescobar for explaining their experiences in

having C.J. deal with jealous girlfriends.

 

  I posted a message at GTA Forums asking if anyone had seen C.J. run into a

jealous girlfriend and what could trigger her appearance.  According to an in-

formative and helpful response from pdescobar (who appears elsewhere in this

guide), this should work:

 

  Have C.J. make two girlfriends, but not date the 1st one or collect any Oys--

ters.  Load the same save game for each date with the 2nd one without saving

the game afterward, and "C.J. will probably run into the jealous girlfriend in

five to ten dates with her."

 

  Here's his account of some things to look for when it happens:

 

      "Imagine my surprise when I walk out of a restaurant in SF with Katie and

      a cutscene shows me Denise in her Hustler and tells me I've been spotted

      and have to lose her.  It happened two or three more times in my testing

      with other girls as well.  The jealous girl's car has a red arrow marker

      over top of it, and you have to drive quickly away and put enough distance

      between the two cars for the game to tell you it's clear.  If she catches

      up to you, there's a confrontation where both girls make wisecracks, and,

      after the jealous one leaves, the girl you were on a date with gets out of

      your car and the date becomes a failure."

 

  A couple of early choices are Katie, available at the start of the game, if in

an area that's off-limits until after "The Green Sabre," and Denise, available

after "Burning Desire."

 

  While pdescobar had C.J. get Denise as a girlfriend but not start dating till

he dated Katie, Carl Johnson (who also appears elsewhere in this guide) had C.J.

brave the attacks brought on by going into the areas that are off-limits and

get Katie as a girlfriend 1st.  If you try that, he recommends having C.J. get

"Armor, an M4 with lots of ammo, and a Shotgun with lots of ammo.  If you get a

Rocket Launcher, you don't need the Shotgun so much.  You get several seconds of

breathing space if you take out the helicopter and everybody who's shooting at

you."

 

  I'll add that part of the risk in having C.J. get a girlfriend in an off limit

area is that the girlfriend can be killed quickly by the storm of bullets sent

in C.J.'s direction, so I'd wait till later to have C.J. take her out on dates.

You might have C.J. get her as a girlfriend to see if she shows up on a date

with another girlfriend, though.

 

  (Carl Johnson adds that if C.J. gets fat, he might finish a date with Katie by

telling her, "Hey!  Put some weight on!")

 

 

  This is the formula I used that worked for me pretty quickly:

 

  I didn't have C.J. get any Oysters (just in case that makes a difference).

 

  I had C.J. get Denise for a girlfriend after "Burning Desire" but not date

her.  After "The Green Sabre," I had him get Katie (practicing t'ai chi on the

lawn of Avispa Golf Course) as a girlfriend.  Each starts with a 15% Stat for

success in dating.

 

  Several times, I had C.J. get Denise to come out of her house for a date then

had C.J. run off.  Each time, a message said C.J. abandoned her, the date is

over, and the Stat for her dropped four or five percent.  I did this till her

Stat reached zero, which makes it disappear from the Stats.  A new Stat appears:

Number of Disastrous Dates.  (You don't read that anyone brags about that one a

lot on the Gamefaqs message boards.)

 

  (At this point, if you try my plan, you might want to wait till the SF save

houses can be bought and have C.J. buy one near Katie's house in NW SF.  I was

in a hurry to test this and had C.J. do the Taxi mission, etc., in SF between

dates.)

 

  When I tried this, Katie always wanted a dinner date for her 1st several

dates, and C.J. took her to the diner N of her house.  After the 1st one, they

got in his car, and after the message "She wants you to drive her home!  This

could be it...," there was a picture of Denise's Hustler and the message:

"You've been spotted by another girlfriend.  Quick--shake her off your tail!"

You're supposed to have C.J. drive his date away without letting the jealous

girlfriend's car get near his.

 

  The jealous girlfriend's car is shown as a blip on the radar, but it wasn't

hard to know where Denise was.  Her car came from the street above the E side

of the lot of the diner (where the vehicle exit is), right over the ledge, and

stopped beside C.J.'s car before he could turn it around.  There was a brief

scene in which Denise insulted C.J. to Katie, and Katie insulted Denise: "Look--

a talking pig."  Then both girlfriends disappeared.  A message appeared: "You've

been discovered two-timing.  Your date is over."  The Stat for Katie dropped to

six percent.

 

  In the few times I tested this, Denise showed up after the 1st date or after

the 1st couple of dates.

 

  To let C.J. succeed at this, I had him park by the diner with the car facing W

near the stairs on the W side of the diner parking lot.  After C.J. took Katie

inside the diner, he drove her up the stairs to the street and her house.

 

  After a success, you get the message: "You've managed to lose the jealous

girlfriend.  Well done."

 

  Carl Johnson had the jealous girlfriend show up when he used a similar strate-

gy.  After he had C.J. abandon dates with Denise till his success rate with her

went down to zero, though, he had C.J. collect 50 Oysters.  When C.J. dated

Katie, Denise showed up as the jealous girlfriend.  And after C.J. dated Katie

till his success rate with her went up to about 35%, C.J. dated Denise and Katie

showed up as the jealous girlfriend.

 

 

 

I need help with this and it's hard to understand the method of how to trigger this. Can someone please help explain? I have all oysters already and I have 100% in all girlfriends except for Millie.

 

 

 

can someone post a video guide on how to do it or please help explain

[OrionSR]

I've been messing around with the Two-Timing dates in hope of collecting their BP/EP/FP/DP cars (see: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=424135). I'll try to summarize without getting into technical details.

I want to qualify my comments. This is what I think is happening based on limited testing. I've been going over the game scripts and conducting experiments and I think this information is fairly accurate, but I'd feel much more confident if others were able to verify the findings. Perhaps there is another explanation or conditions I didn't consider.

 

To trigger a Two-Timing date, go on a date when CJ has more than one girlfriend. There is a 50% chance that a jealous girlfriend will appear 7 seconds after leaving the destination (dancing, food) or completing the goal (driving, drive-by). Gimp suit dates (Millie) and She Drives dates (Michelle) do not trigger jealous girlfriends.

 

However, Two-Timing Dates are apparently disabled forever if CJ goes on a date and only has 1 girlfriend, or if he goes on a date when he has more than 1 girlfriend but the jealous girlfriend does not appear (50% chance), or if a Two-Timing date is triggered and he manages to evade the jealous girlfriend. Again, Gimp Suit dates and She Drives dates do not apply.

 

If a two-timing date is triggered, CJ can make progress with the girl being dated, avoid losing progress with the jealous girlfriend, and keep future two-timing dates active by taking the girlfriend being dated home without losing the jealous girlfriend. This is the situation that allows jacking the proofed car.

Edited September 5, 2009 by OrionSR

[lil weasel]

I've played the game more than 27 times.

I've only had a meeting Once.

I got Katie as a GF early by flying in to meet her. (4 stars and wasted.)

Once when dating Denise she caught CJ by the small Ammunation store while Denise and CJ were doing drive-bys on a date.

[MC.]

Okay I gots to know. After you trigger this two timing thing, will it cause CJ to get dumped? Do I have to go and meet them again? How will it go for Millie and Denise? Will they ever come back if they break up with CJ?

[lil weasel]

can't really answer that. Once I get katie and Barb as GFs I haven't bothered to do much with them. Just meet them to keep weapons when wasted/busted.

 

[zmoonchild]

 

Okay I gots to know. After you trigger this two timing thing, will it cause CJ to get dumped? Do I have to go and meet them again?

You'll just lose progress with both girlfriends.

You won't have to meet them again unless your progress with them drops to 0% and they dump you.

 

 

How will it go for Millie and Denise? Will they ever come back if they break up with CJ?

There's no way to get Millie or Denise back in an un-modded game once they've been killed, or you get dumped too (I think). I don't think there's a cheat to bring them back either.

[MC.]

Okay and what can I do again to drop and decrease their percentage?

[lil weasel]

Stay in thier area and Don't date them.

Take them on a date and go to the wrong location, spend too much time driving around.

[OrionSR]

 

And after C.J. dated Katie till his success rate with her went up to about 35%, C.J. dated Denise and Katie showed up as the jealous girlfriend.

This seems very unlikely. Perhaps there is a difference on PS2, Xbox, or version 2. Any successful date would have disabled Two-Timing dates unless he led the jealous girlfriend into the home sphere at the end of each date.

 

I'm fairly certain that girlfriend progress stats and oysters collected have no influence on Two-Timing dates.

Edited September 5, 2009 by OrionSR

[xhunter]

It's happened me too.

When i dated with Mitchelle Millie started to chase me, but I escaped.

 

[laezy]

I have some questions,

 

Is it possible that a jealous girlfriend appear even after the failed date in a 4-star restricted area when CJ has more than one girlfriend and the dated girlfriend asks CJ to take her back home? I am talking here about the stages where the storyline hasn't been touched or attempting to date Barbara, after the Green Sabre where the Desert & LV are still restricted.

 

Does the two timing appearance gets disabled when the first date with the very first girlfriend in a restricted area fails automatically?

[OrionSR]

 

Does the two timing appearance gets disabled when the first date with the very first girlfriend in a restricted area fails automatically?

Maybe - I suppose I should test that idea since it allows opening the Fast-Food places so CJ can fatten up for Barbara and Michelle. There is a 7 second timer for the jealous girlfriend to appear after the date is failed due to a wanted level above 2 stars. If CJ stays in the sphere then perhaps the two-timing evaluation will be skipped.

 

Update: Success! I started a new game and used my trusty trainer to spawn vehicles, set money, increase muscle, and warp to San Fierro. After meeting Katie and starting a date I waited in the home sphere to fail the date as quickly as possible. The Two-Timing dates were not disabled (the TT variable is still 0 and not -1) and the Fast Food joints are unlocked.

 

Oh, and as far as 4 star dating goes, it doesn't appear to make any difference. I've collected the Police Rancher and then the Romero under 4 star conditions. CJ must move out of the date sphere as soon as he has control or the date will end before the Two-Timing scripts are activated.

Edited September 7, 2009 by OrionSR

[Krawk]

 

However, Two-Timing Dates are apparently disabled forever if CJ goes on a date and only has 1 girlfriend, or if he goes on a date when he has more than 1 girlfriend but the jealous girlfriend does not appear (50% chance), or if a Two-Timing date is triggered and he manages to evade the jealous girlfriend. Again, Gimp Suit dates and She Drives dates do not apply.

 

All still quite confusing as the other topic mentions how to permanently disable two-timing including dating a GF with non-gimp, can we suffice to say then that after Burning Desire, do NOT go on a date with Denise until CJ has another GF?

 

By permanent you're saying if you ever date a girl without the gimp suit two-timing is disabled?

Do you have to keep reloading your save as well because you mention if the jealous GF doesn't appear it's gone forever as well.

CONFUSED is an understatement

[aritrabose]

Afraid of a jealous GF? Simple solution; kill her, it was quite a relief killing Denise after she almost caught me double-Timing.

[Space Cowboy]

If you really want to disable jealous girlfriends, just perform successful date with any girlfriend. (Make sure jealous gf won't show up, if she show, then restart)

[HalfOfAKebab]

EDIT: << merged similar topics >>

 

I have a question for those of you that know that not dating Denise until you get a second girlfriend will allow you to experience rare cutscenes whenever you're on a date. If you date Denise before getting a second girlfriend, this will be permanently disabled for the rest of the save. However, I just got a call from Denise two missions after meeting her saying she feels lonely, and CJ said he would come over to pick her up. Does this mean two-timing dates have been disabled, or do I have to actually go to her house?

 

Also, if I ignore Denise, will she dump me? If she does, is there a way I can get her back?

 

Thanks in advance.

Edited December 11, 2016 by lil weasel

[lil weasel]

Denise and Millie are met ONLY in the Missions, they are lost forever when they quit Carl.

[OrionSR]

No. you did not disable two-timing dates by taking that call from Denise. CJ will lose 3% progress when he doesn't show up. Not taking or missing the call would have reduced progress by 2% anyway. The girlfriends will want to dump CJ when they reach -15% progress, but one successful date will bring it back to 15%. The two-timing part of the script doesn't become active until 7 seconds into the "return home" part of the date, so there's a trick to successfully dating Denise early in the game. Take her to eat at the pizza joint in Palomino Creek. When CJ spawns outside again quickly dash into the Ammu-Nation next door to cancel the date. Quickly - as in start moving while the fade-in is still happening.

[HalfOfAKebab]

No. you did not disable two-timing dates by taking that call from Denise. CJ will lose 3% progress when he doesn't show up. Not taking or missing the call would have reduced progress by 2% anyway. The girlfriends will want to dump CJ when they reach -15% progress, but one successful date will bring it back to 15%. The two-timing part of the script doesn't become active until 7 seconds into the "return home" part of the date, so there's a trick to successfully dating Denise early in the game. Take her to eat at the pizza joint in Palomino Creek. When CJ spawns outside again quickly dash into the Ammu-Nation next door to cancel the date. Quickly - as in start moving while the fade-in is still happening.

Thanks for the information.

[Helegad]

In ten years of playing this game I've never had two-timing occur; in fact I didn't even know it existed until a few months ago. Is there any way to make sure that two-timing stays active throughout the game without resorting to trickery?

[OrionSR]

It depends on what you mean by trickery. Special vehicle collectors have strategies that allows dating without disabling the two-timing script. Or, you can ignore all that and fix the problem with a Savegame Editor or other mods. Or, avoid dating anyone other than Millie and then always wear the Gimp Suit.

[ilovebender.com]

I just had a jealous girlfriend, twice.

 

Same girlfriends. (Denise showing up on Katie's date).

 

I went on my first date with Katie, Denise caught us, ended the date.

I made it up to Katie/took Katie out on a second date, Denise showed up, but I managed to lose her, and that date ended successfully.

 

I'm at 'Learning To Fly' - I've just unlocked Victim and houses in Las Venturas, I've got 3 girlfriends at the moment; Denise, Michelle & Katie, I've had 1 successful date and 1 disastrous date.

I read somewhere, that you can only get caught if you have more than 1 girlfriend and have been on 0 dates.

[ilovebender.com]

 

How do I make it so, when I ask Denise out, she doesn't dump me?

 

Wait until I get the gimp suit?

[OrionSR]

56 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

I read somewhere, that you can only get caught if you have more than 1 girlfriend and have been on 0 dates.

This is a somewhat accurate one-sentence summary, but there are some exceptions. Getting caught by a jealous girlfriend is one of those exceptions that is frequently exploited by special vehicle collectors to keep the two-timing scripts active so they can collect the proofed vehicles from each of the girlfriends.

 

42 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

How do I make it so, when I ask Denise out, she doesn't dump me?

Use a trainer, editor or mod to adjust her progress. If Denise (or Millie) has decided to dump CJ there is nothing to be done about it normally in-game and they can't be re-met. Don't let their progress drop below -15%. The other girlfriends can be fixed by collecting the last oyster, or just let them dump CJ and go meet them again.

Edited June 23, 2019 by OrionSR

[ilovebender.com]

5 hours ago, OrionSR said:

This is a somewhat accurate one-sentence summary, but there are some exceptions. Getting caught by a jealous girlfriend is one of those exceptions that is frequently exploited by special vehicle collectors to keep the two-timing scripts active so they can collect the proofed vehicles from each of the girlfriends.

 

Use a trainer, editor or mod to adjust her progress. If Denise (or Millie) has decided to dump CJ there is nothing to be done about it normally in-game and they can't be re-met. Don't let their progress drop below -15%. The other girlfriends can be fixed by collecting the last oyster, or just let them dump CJ and go meet them again.

I'm playing a 100% no cheat version.

I also don't know how to edit.

 

I've got 2 versions of this game;

Xbox original and Xbox 360 with achievements.

 

I've done this on my Xbox original version, but I also hope to do this on my Xbox 360 version in the hope of an achievement. Needless to say I don't know how to code nothing, and if I cheated, my Xbox 360 version won't drop an achievement if there's any to be got for two timing.

 

Could I not get dumped by Denise in the gimp suit?

Could I not get dumped by Denise if I collected the last oyster?

Edited June 23, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[OrionSR]

Can't modify Xbox saves or memory anyway.

 

Gimp Suit only works for Millie, and I don't think it'll help if Millie intends to dump CJ.

Oyster bonuses don't apply to Millie or Denise.

[ilovebender.com]

It doesn't bode well, I don't even see Denise on the stats.

 

'She's gonna dump me isn't she, and there's nothing I can do about it'.

[OrionSR]

16 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

'She's gonna dump me isn't she, and there's nothing I can do about it'.

Yep. If you decide to revert or try again, stay on mission and blow through the end of the first story strand and Denise probably won't drop enough to be at risk until you are out of town - so she won't call and you won't get that daily drain on progress. Or, before Denise is introduced, go meet Katie so she will be selected to call next, but won't be able to because CJ always has a wanted level or is on-mission when he's in her city.

 

However, it doesn't look like there are any girlfriend achievements other than to have coffee with any girlfriend after a date.

[ilovebender.com]

On my other 360 platform with achievements...

I just unlocked Angel Pine, drove to Katie, I asked Katie out, she said yes, I had to get Denise/do Burning Desire to get there.

I checked my stats because I didn't see Katie's home on the map, and it said I had 2 girlfriends and have dated 2 girlfriends.

...

I haven't actually dated either though, so, hmmm?

Will I still get that two timing thing to see if I find a secret achievement *no spoilers pls on that one, I wanna find out myself*since I've had no successful dates or disastrous dates yet since I haven't actually dated anybody despite what the stats say?

 

On 6/24/2019 at 5:37 PM, OrionSR said:

Yep. If you decide to revert or try again, stay on mission and blow through the end of the first story strand and Denise probably won't drop enough to be at risk until you are out of town - so she won't call and you won't get that daily drain on progress. Or, before Denise is introduced, go meet Katie so she will be selected to call next, but won't be able to because CJ always has a wanted level or is on-mission when he's in her city.

 

However, it doesn't look like there are any girlfriend achievements other than to have coffee with any girlfriend after a date.

Blew through the Denise missions... On my Xbox Original version where I got caught twice.

I was caught by Denise, twice in a row, with Katie in San Fierro; Denise was there in her car, said what she said, Katie got out, told Carl the date was over, end of date, First ever date with 3 girlfriends.

Second ever date, was with Katie, Denise came, I decided not to talk to her this time (lol), lost her, took Katie home, successful date.

Katie's @ 24%

Michelle's @ 11%

Denise isn't there and dumped me but I didn't save the dump.

Edited June 25, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[OrionSR]

4 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Will I still get that two timing thing to see if I find a secret achievement

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish, but as long as you keep getting caught during each date the two-timing scripts should remain active.

 

If you need to make some progress with girlfriends not ready to dump CJ and keep the two-timing scripts active then:

• If the jealous girlfriend is in pursuit when CJ enters the home sphere after a successful date then the two-timing scripts should remain active.
• Millie's Gimp Suit dates and Michelle's She Drives (35%) dates do not disable the two-timing scripts.
• If you can cancel the date by entering certain interiors or starting missions in less than 7 seconds after completing the date then the two-timing scripts should remain active. The pizza to ammu-nation interiors at Palomino Creek works for Denise - not sure what to suggest for other girlfriends. This process is tricky though, and you're never really sure if you got it right until the next jealous girlfriend show up.