Stop saying that this game is a port.

[The Horror Is Alive]

I don't know, because I haven't ever played GTAIV on a console, but at least it'd have a much better frame-rate and no z-fighting like my PC copy. Also, the game wouldn't overheat a PS3 as much as it overheats my laptop (104 Celsius). The damn thing shuts down if I don't have external cooling on it.

[CharmingCharlie]

My mistake I thought you were playing it on a PC, I wouldn't have said anything if I knew you were using a laptop. In that case you probably would do better getting the console version. If you have a decent PC then the PC version is where it is at, if you insist on playing games on a laptop then you are best to buy a console and save us all a lot of grief in the long run.

[Chevyboy]

 

I don't know, because I haven't ever played GTAIV on a console, but at least it'd have a much better frame-rate and no z-fighting like my PC copy. Also, the game wouldn't overheat a PS3 as much as it overheats my laptop (104 Celsius). The damn thing shuts down if I don't have external cooling on it.

So the PC version is trash because you play on a laptop likely at or below the requirements? (keep in mind, laptop spec's are often slower than there desktop counterparts) Laptops are NOT gaming PC's contrary to insane beliefs.

 

Just wondering if this is the logic we should be using today as I've got some mindless babbling I would love to let out.

[Jigglyass]

I don't know, because I haven't ever played GTAIV on a console, but at least it'd have a much better frame-rate and no z-fighting like my PC copy. Also, the game wouldn't overheat a PS3 as much as it overheats my laptop (104 Celsius). The damn thing shuts down if I don't have external cooling on it.

Enjoy the castrated graphics, and the blurry mess.

[rebel_36]

at least no cheaters, pc and xbox has them.

[Hydro_PT]

at least no cheaters, pc and xbox has them.

You have a point there.

 

But on the other hand, you can't modify the game on the PC like you can on the consoles. And that makes the PC version much better, because even the graphics can be tweaked to make it look even better/run better. On the consoles, what you buy is what you get, nothing else.

[The Horror Is Alive]

I don't know, because I haven't ever played GTAIV on a console, but at least it'd have a much better frame-rate and no z-fighting like my PC copy. Also, the game wouldn't overheat a PS3 as much as it overheats my laptop (104 Celsius). The damn thing shuts down if I don't have external cooling on it.

So the PC version is trash because you play on a laptop likely at or below the requirements? (keep in mind, laptop spec's are often slower than there desktop counterparts) Laptops are NOT gaming PC's contrary to insane beliefs.

 

Just wondering if this is the logic we should be using today as I've got some mindless babbling I would love to let out.

No, my laptop is still above the minimum specs, and contrary to your beliefs, it is designed as a gaming laptop. I think the vents are causing the overheating problems, or an underpowered fan.

[Chevyboy]

 

I don't know, because I haven't ever played GTAIV on a console, but at least it'd have a much better frame-rate and no z-fighting like my PC copy. Also, the game wouldn't overheat a PS3 as much as it overheats my laptop (104 Celsius). The damn thing shuts down if I don't have external cooling on it.

So the PC version is trash because you play on a laptop likely at or below the requirements? (keep in mind, laptop spec's are often slower than there desktop counterparts) Laptops are NOT gaming PC's contrary to insane beliefs.

 

Just wondering if this is the logic we should be using today as I've got some mindless babbling I would love to let out.

No, my laptop is still above the minimum specs, and contrary to your beliefs, it is designed as a gaming laptop. I think the vents are causing the overheating problems, or an underpowered fan.

So your "gaming laptop" which is at or around the minimum requirements which overheats because of your lack of simple maintenance in cleaning vents and making sure fans are in working order has a hard time providing acceptable framerates with what I assume is above console settings and your solution is to go on a rant about how terrible the PC version is and that you should have bought it on the PS3? That sum it up?

 

And regardless of what your laptop is designed as, it doesn't mean that it is a real gaming platform. Laptops have many restrictions that limit them from being even the fraction of what a gaming desktop is capable of. Heat issues, lack of space, lack of ability to upgrade easily and lack of raw power come to mind. Overclocking a laptop CPU by 30% or higher? Dreaming. Same thing with the GPU? Ha. Not to mention the fact that laptop parts are significantly slower/less powerful than there desktop counterparts, the spec's on video cards to be specific. Not saying gaming on a laptop doesn't work, but it is a far cry from what gaming on a desktop is.

 

Anyways I digress as this thread is not about laptops not being ideal to game on. From what I've been able to piece together with your ranting is that the issues your experiencing are entirely your fault in one way or another so you find it easier to lay blame to the game itself.

[spaceeinstein]

I doubt that the PC version is an entire port. The Video Editor is the main thing that astounds me. It can record so much and do so much. At least half of the game engine should have been built from the ground up or have the source code extremely modified just for the Video Editor. No way the console versions have any coding for replays so the PC version has to be vastly different.

 

I say the PC version of GTA4 is more polished than the PC version of SA, which is good enough for me.

Edited September 5, 2009 by spaceeinstein

[ReVolut1on7]

If it's not a port, then WHY DO I ALWAYS GET XBOX-CONTROLLER ICONS IN THE MENUS? e.g. Press B to go back, A to accept etc.

[spaceeinstein]

Don't you think it could be a problem on your end? GTA 4 does support an Xbox controller.

[ReVolut1on7]

 

Don't you think it could be a problem on your end? GTA 4 does support an Xbox controller.

Well I have confirmed this on three separate computers. It's not literally always like that, but randomly when starting the game, the menu shows Xbox controls instead of keyboard controls.

 

 

And sorry, I forgot that xbox controller is supported.

[The Horror Is Alive]

I don't know, because I haven't ever played GTAIV on a console, but at least it'd have a much better frame-rate and no z-fighting like my PC copy. Also, the game wouldn't overheat a PS3 as much as it overheats my laptop (104 Celsius). The damn thing shuts down if I don't have external cooling on it.

So the PC version is trash because you play on a laptop likely at or below the requirements? (keep in mind, laptop spec's are often slower than there desktop counterparts) Laptops are NOT gaming PC's contrary to insane beliefs.

 

Just wondering if this is the logic we should be using today as I've got some mindless babbling I would love to let out.

No, my laptop is still above the minimum specs, and contrary to your beliefs, it is designed as a gaming laptop. I think the vents are causing the overheating problems, or an underpowered fan.

So your "gaming laptop" which is at or around the minimum requirements which overheats because of your lack of simple maintenance in cleaning vents and making sure fans are in working order has a hard time providing acceptable framerates with what I assume is above console settings and your solution is to go on a rant about how terrible the PC version is and that you should have bought it on the PS3? That sum it up?

 

And regardless of what your laptop is designed as, it doesn't mean that it is a real gaming platform. Laptops have many restrictions that limit them from being even the fraction of what a gaming desktop is capable of. Heat issues, lack of space, lack of ability to upgrade easily and lack of raw power come to mind. Overclocking a laptop CPU by 30% or higher? Dreaming. Same thing with the GPU? Ha. Not to mention the fact that laptop parts are significantly slower/less powerful than there desktop counterparts, the spec's on video cards to be specific. Not saying gaming on a laptop doesn't work, but it is a far cry from what gaming on a desktop is.

 

Anyways I digress as this thread is not about laptops not being ideal to game on. From what I've been able to piece together with your ranting is that the issues your experiencing are entirely your fault in one way or another so you find it easier to lay blame to the game itself.

Rant? Hmmm. More like my opinion.

 

I understand that laptops aren't meant for serious gaming, but I'm not a serious gamer, and I don't have a high-paying job (I'm a student), nor do I have unlimited quota (*cough*piracy*cough*), so I can't get the latest games. I import older games from eBay UK usually, and I can run them on high settings no problems.

 

Maybe laptops aren't meant for gaming, but it doesn't mean they're utterly incapable of it.

[Extortionate]

 

Don't you think it could be a problem on your end? GTA 4 does support an Xbox controller.

 

XBox360 controller buttons for generic PC controllers? I don't have a XBox360 controller, yet the game seems to think I do. There is no excuse for not supporting PC joypad controllers. It's funny how I need the XBox360 controller emulation hack to get my joypad working, a lot of people do.

 

I'd rather have it on PC though, the graphics are shaper and scalable, at least they added that.

[ikt]

I don't know, because I haven't ever played GTAIV on a console, but at least it'd have a much better frame-rate and no z-fighting like my PC copy. Also, the game wouldn't overheat a PS3 as much as it overheats my laptop (104 Celsius). The damn thing shuts down if I don't have external cooling on it.

So the PC version is trash because you play on a laptop likely at or below the requirements? (keep in mind, laptop spec's are often slower than there desktop counterparts) Laptops are NOT gaming PC's contrary to insane beliefs.

 

Just wondering if this is the logic we should be using today as I've got some mindless babbling I would love to let out.

No, my laptop is still above the minimum specs, and contrary to your beliefs, it is designed as a gaming laptop. I think the vents are causing the overheating problems, or an underpowered fan.

So your "gaming laptop" which is at or around the minimum requirements which overheats because of your lack of simple maintenance in cleaning vents and making sure fans are in working order has a hard time providing acceptable framerates with what I assume is above console settings and your solution is to go on a rant about how terrible the PC version is and that you should have bought it on the PS3? That sum it up?

 

And regardless of what your laptop is designed as, it doesn't mean that it is a real gaming platform. Laptops have many restrictions that limit them from being even the fraction of what a gaming desktop is capable of. Heat issues, lack of space, lack of ability to upgrade easily and lack of raw power come to mind. Overclocking a laptop CPU by 30% or higher? Dreaming. Same thing with the GPU? Ha. Not to mention the fact that laptop parts are significantly slower/less powerful than there desktop counterparts, the spec's on video cards to be specific. Not saying gaming on a laptop doesn't work, but it is a far cry from what gaming on a desktop is.

 

Anyways I digress as this thread is not about laptops not being ideal to game on. From what I've been able to piece together with your ranting is that the issues your experiencing are entirely your fault in one way or another so you find it easier to lay blame to the game itself.

Rant? Hmmm. More like my opinion.

 

I understand that laptops aren't meant for serious gaming, but I'm not a serious gamer, and I don't have a high-paying job (I'm a student), nor do I have unlimited quota (*cough*piracy*cough*), so I can't get the latest games. I import older games from eBay UK usually, and I can run them on high settings no problems.

 

Maybe laptops aren't meant for gaming, but it doesn't mean they're utterly incapable of it.

Yes, but GTA IV needs a gamer COMPUTER to run just fine. Post your laptop specs.

 

And one question: Why did you waste money on a so called gaming laptop when you could have bought a cheap netbook and a budget PC? I have one, and it runs GTA IV very well (Better than the 360) at medium/high. Only costed 700 euro's half a year ago.

 

Gaming laptops are usually above 1000 euro's.

 

Cheap PC (quad core, a bit of RAM and a normal budget videocard)= 500 euro's (i didn't have much choice. It was either NO own PC or a not-too-expensive medium PC)

Cheap netbook (just enought for internet, office and simple games) = 300 euro's.

 

Amirite?

[oc student]

Um maybe because he's a f*cking student and a desktop is out of the question?

[Dan0]

the game needs a strong cpu not a strong gpu, so sli wouldn't give much extra performance to gta 4.

You are kiding me? VRAM on the GPU is like the single most important factor when running this game..

[Marcin6]

Even with i7 Processors you get low fps , something about 40 on max settings

 

My friend seba84 2005 who created ultimate textures 2.0 for Gta IV has this spec:

 

i7 920 D0 4.4.GHz 1.36v | ASUS Rampage II Extreme | EVGA GTX 280 HC | Corsair Dominator 3x2GB 1600MHz cl8 | WD 640 AALS Black | ASUS Xonar D2/PM | BQ P7 750W | Lian Li A77B

 

And he get something about 40-45 fps

 

If you dont believe me , ask him

 

 

ANd dont say this game is not a port, this game is terrbile port !

Edited September 5, 2009 by Marcin6

[Shawn14316]

Rockstar have already said several times the consoles use MEDIUM textures. There is no way the consoles could use the high quality textures and anyone thinking the consoles do are seriously deluded. I owned the console version and I have a hard time believing it even used Medium textures.

Well...It doesn't matter what the console are settings are. The amount of VRam used for textures is crazy. You would think that they are the highest quality textures ever put into a game. This is R* though. They have never been good at graphics and fps with the consoles. While this is my first experience with them on pc... Should of figured they weren't skilled enough for decent(ps2/xbox gta looked ugly compared to other games that generation) graphics and good fps.

[truehighroller]

If it's not a port, then WHY DO I ALWAYS GET XBOX-CONTROLLER ICONS IN THE MENUS? e.g. Press B to go back, A to accept etc.

It has been said over and over, they make the code for any game now a days on PCs but, based for consoles. They then use a compiler to make the code run on PC but, then they have to add options manualy like for being able to turn the graphics up exedra on the PC. It is easier to code for consoles and that is how most companies do it now a days. As compilers get tweaked and get better over the the next few years we will start noticing less that games are ports more then likely. If you don't like it come up with a better compiler now for the companies to use and make millions from it. I think they did alright they just should have done better optimiztion out of the gate that's all. I think this next patch is going to be fing awesome for performance boost watch, and I can't wait for graphics drivers that are optimized for this game as well.

[truehighroller]

Even with i7 Processors you get low fps , something about 40 on max settings

 

My friend seba84 2005 who created ultimate textures 2.0 for Gta IV has this spec:

 

i7 920 D0 4.4.GHz 1.36v | ASUS Rampage II Extreme | EVGA GTX 280 HC | Corsair Dominator 3x2GB 1600MHz cl8 | WD 640 AALS Black | ASUS Xonar D2/PM | BQ P7 750W | Lian Li A77B

 

And he get something about 40-45 fps

 

If you dont believe me , ask him

 

 

ANd dont say this game is not a port, this game is terrbile port !

I have a less powerfull system then him and I get an 62 avg FPS. He is expieriencing driver issues guaranteed.

[Mudfrog]

Even with i7 Processors you get low fps , something about 40 on max settings

 

My friend seba84 2005 who created ultimate textures 2.0 for Gta IV has this spec:

 

i7 920 D0 4.4.GHz 1.36v | ASUS Rampage II Extreme | EVGA GTX 280 HC | Corsair Dominator 3x2GB 1600MHz cl8 | WD 640 AALS Black | ASUS Xonar D2/PM | BQ P7 750W | Lian Li A77B

 

And he get something about 40-45 fps

 

If you dont believe me , ask him

 

 

ANd dont say this game is not a port, this game is terrbile port !

I have a less powerfull system then him and I get an 62 avg FPS. He is expieriencing driver issues guaranteed.

Not necessarily, could be anything, resolution, max details, etc.. You can't say someone has driver issues because a faster PC is getting less FPS.

[WTFX]

Stop saying this game isn't a port!

[Murcchachosa]

If this game is not a port, how the swingset is still there on the PC version??

XCrapBullStand69 has this glitch too.

[Chevyboy]

the game needs a strong cpu not a strong gpu, so sli wouldn't give much extra performance to gta 4.

You are kiding me? VRAM on the GPU is like the single most important factor when running this game..

This is bull.

 

Vram is important for higher settings in GTA 4

 

Processor power is more important for performance (see higher FPS) in GTA 4.

 

Try reading what you are quoting before you respond with 1 sentence "winners" like that.

[Chevyboy]

 

Even with i7 Processors you get low fps , something about 40 on max settings

 

My friend seba84 2005 who created ultimate textures 2.0 for Gta IV has this spec:

 

i7 920 D0 4.4.GHz 1.36v | ASUS Rampage II Extreme | EVGA GTX 280 HC | Corsair Dominator 3x2GB 1600MHz cl8 | WD 640 AALS Black | ASUS Xonar D2/PM | BQ P7 750W | Lian Li A77B

 

And he get something about 40-45 fps

 

If you dont believe me , ask him

 

 

ANd dont say this game is not a port, this game is terrbile port !

Well your "friend" is full of it.

 

If he is using said ultimate textures mod and getting low FPS than GTA 4 can hardly be blamed.

 

If he is one of those "I have the best computer, I'm going to crank every slider up to 100" than again GTA 4 can hardly be blamed. The FPS difference between view distance at 100 and view distance at 40 or so is very significant while the visual difference is insignificant.

 

I benchmark over 60 FPS and average in game 48-50 with a "lesser rig" as listed in my signature. Mostly max settings with the exception of view distance. Don't believe me, just ask!

 

Cry all you want that this is a "terrible port" because it's really not nearly as bad as the doomsayers will have you believe.

[ikt]

the game needs a strong cpu not a strong gpu, so sli wouldn't give much extra performance to gta 4.

You are kiding me? VRAM on the GPU is like the single most important factor when running this game..

This is bull.

 

Vram is important for higher settings in GTA 4

 

Processor power is more important for performance (see higher FPS) in GTA 4.

 

Try reading what you are quoting before you respond with 1 sentence "winners" like that.

Partially wrong.

Processor power AND gpu power are both the most important for GTA IV. You can't take a i7 965 + 12GB RAM+ 8400GT with 1GB VRAM and set all things to high. It won't work.

[truehighroller]

I run mine at 1920 x 1200 with high settings just fine thank you very and again, my system is alot less beefy then his. Driver issue or YES, he can be setting his settings way to high. I have mine just to where it almost bitches at me that I don't have enough Video memory and it runs fine. If he is putting it above that then that is his problem not the games. And if that's the case then him and his friend are f*cking retarded for arguing it runs like sh*t when he is going above what the game tells you your Video memory can handle.

Edited September 5, 2009 by truehighroller

[rebel_36]

nobody makes us believe, we speak from our own experiences, the system reqs listed on the game are way off

[ScratchCard]

 

This game is a port. Yeah, that's right. Big whoop, wanna fight about it?