UnknownFan Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) Ok rockstar has said that the the main story and 2 DLCS run together, however they have not said that they end at the same time. I have proof TBOGT extands PAST the end of IV as if you look in the trailer you see a large crane being exploded. I am fairly confident that this crane is the one that is outside of the place you get the ULCP missions as the areas look very similar. I just checked the GTA story and found it was still standing! So unless i have the wrong crane this story extends past that of IV EDIT: During the interview he says TBOGT will start about the mid way point of IV and end near the end. So this effectively means that hey i was wrong about the ending. BUT this means we will be most likely broke to start the game as French tom tells us Tonys broke at about the 1/4 through IV as i consider 3 leaf clover the middle. And im say im fairly accurate in saying that as mid way point could mean 2-4 missions before the bank job where Luis is first seen. SO this probably also means that Tonys clubs wont be open at the beggining as Tom said they're shutting down. So Tony's storyline is probably focused on stoping his addiction and getting back his clubs. At the end when he does he probably rewards Luis for his help with a Safehouse upstairs of the straight club. Edited September 6, 2009 by UnknownFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunk Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Yeah, I thought the same thing when I saw the trailer. But anyway, I hope it is proof. It'd be nice if Luis' story went on after the end. It could wrap up the whole IV saga quite nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGMOS Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 It does seem strnge that a permanent part of LC's landmarks would just dissappear in this DLC only. If anything, it may happen a short time after the other two stories end, which would make sense, being as this is also the last DLC for IV, the final story. We may see what happens to the other two characters and others as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 It does seem strnge that a permanent part of LC's landmarks would just dissappear in this DLC only. If anything, it may happen a short time after the other two stories end, which would make sense, being as this is also the last DLC for IV, the final story. We may see what happens to the other two characters and others as well.... A construction crane is a LC Landmark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Chewy- Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I keep saying this too and it is a landmark cause when you see it, you know where you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukee152 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Yeah, I thought the same thing when I saw the trailer. But anyway, I hope it is proof. It'd be nice if Luis' story went on after the end. It could wrap up the whole IV saga quite nicely. but what about free roaming thats what makes gta what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGMOS Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I meant landmark, as in it was a permenant part of IV's scenery, that is, it never moved throughout the story of both IV and TLAD. The only logical explanation would be for the crane's destruction to happen after the conclusion of both their stories. Either that or they quickly build a new one overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord sh...t-head Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 The story of BoGT starts when niko has to move to bohan,probably. And ends near niko's ending. And the crane thing they probably made it up when thinking of the story (after making IV and TLAD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insom Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 BOGT might not have been as planned out as TLAD. We hear a few news reports about Gay Tony but that's it. Events that happen in TLAD are more detailed on the news in IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I meant landmark, as in it was a permenant part of IV's scenery, that is, it never moved throughout the story of both IV and TLAD. The only logical explanation would be for the crane's destruction to happen after the conclusion of both their stories. Either that or they quickly build a new one overnight. Well, Johnny and the remainder of the LOST MC busted down the gate at the Alderney Correctional Facility in TLAD, as well as burning down their clubhouse and we haven't seen both of them destroyed in IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Chewy- Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 It'd look silly being destroyed in Luis story if it was meant to have happened during LatD and IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I meant landmark, as in it was a permenant part of IV's scenery, that is, it never moved throughout the story of both IV and TLAD. The only logical explanation would be for the crane's destruction to happen after the conclusion of both their stories. Either that or they quickly build a new one overnight. Well, Johnny and the remainder of the LOST MC busted down the gate at the Alderney Correctional Facility in TLAD, as well as burning down their clubhouse and we haven't seen both of them destroyed in IV. Shin bought out a good point for once but to be honest thier are only three possiblies 1. The story is before GTA 4's and the crane was just rebuilt 2. The story goes longer than GTA 4's 3. It's a continunity error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
florisinfernus Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 GTA IV extends TLAD, so why couldn't BOGT extend IV? It seems very plausible to me since LUIS is seen first in three Leaf Clover. If I were rockstar I could just make this his first mission. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
florisinfernus Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) I meant landmark, as in it was a permenant part of IV's scenery, that is, it never moved throughout the story of both IV and TLAD. The only logical explanation would be for the crane's destruction to happen after the conclusion of both their stories. Either that or they quickly build a new one overnight. Well, Johnny and the remainder of the LOST MC busted down the gate at the Alderney Correctional Facility in TLAD, as well as burning down their clubhouse and we haven't seen both of them destroyed in IV. That is no argument at all. The lost clubhouse and Jail gate are still there in Lost and Damned. The gate was obviously rebuilt and the clubhouse was only burnt on the inside probably. Edited September 2, 2009 by florisinfernus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownFan Posted September 2, 2009 Author Share Posted September 2, 2009 I meant landmark, as in it was a permenant part of IV's scenery, that is, it never moved throughout the story of both IV and TLAD. The only logical explanation would be for the crane's destruction to happen after the conclusion of both their stories. Either that or they quickly build a new one overnight. Well, Johnny and the remainder of the LOST MC busted down the gate at the Alderney Correctional Facility in TLAD, as well as burning down their clubhouse and we haven't seen both of them destroyed in IV. That is no argument at all. The lost clubhouse and Jail gate are still there in Lost and Damned. The gate was obviously rebuilt and the clubhouse was only burnt on the inside probably. Its a prison they had to rebuild the gates or the inmates would escape and the lost clubhouse can not be seen in IV just like the clubs cant be seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic_Al Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Rockstar doesn't have to respect continuity with all possible timelines, they just have to respect continuity with a possible timeline in each of the other two stories. What this means is, if there's a major crane collapse and Niko and Johnny never find out about it, they were busy with something else for however long it took to rebuild the crane. The player has huge choice over how each character spends his time and how many days pass between missions. This is why Rockstar calls the episodes intersecting rather than simultaneous. Time and space are squishy in GTA. Hours are minutes, minutes are hours, you seem to act in real time but it's just representative of actions that really take longer, and the map is representative of a larger space but it's also the actual space. It's not a solid reality. The example of destruction in TLAD is good to bring up because if you try to determine what missions are available to Niko simultaneously, it's possible that Niko might visit Gerry at the prison around the same time as the prison break. Obviously Niko never will encounter the prison break, so you have to assume that fate keeps Niko's and Johnny's schedules from intersecting at that point. No matter how long it takes to repair the prison, it gets done before Niko comes back. Also, from Niko's point of view, it's likely that the Lost clubhouse is already burned by the time Niko is looking at it, so that version may be how the building looks after the landlord has come by to paint over the burn marks, clear away stuff outside and board everything up so it's not a liability risk, ditto the AoD clubhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanilla Shake Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Ok rockstar has said that the the main story and 2 DLCS run together, however they have not said that they end at the same time. I have proof TBOGT extands PAST the end of IV as if you look in the trailer you see a large crane being exploded. I am fairly confident that this crane is the one that is outside of the place you get the ULCP missions as the areas look very similar. I just checked the GTA story and found it was still standing! So unless i have the wrong crane this story extends past that of IV The crane that is destroyed in the trailer is on Frankfort Avenue if you look close enough, near the Rotterdam Tower on the west side of Algonquin. The crane you're thinking of is on Columbus Avenue. TC718 / <629 / CF5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqre Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) the lost club house is in 4. just up the road from where you meet derrick. Edited November 19, 2009 by sqre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
florisinfernus Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 What this means is, if there's a major crane collapse and Niko and Johnny never find out about it, they were busy with something else for however long it took to rebuild the crane. The player has huge choice over how each character spends his time and how many days pass between missions. The point is that it isn't likely the rebuild that crane in the exact same way or that they do it at all. That is why it's a clue to BOGT extending IV. And since It's the IV final I think it would be nice if it would extend a bit and ty everything you've seen together.(Bulgarin, diamonds, Coke...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHarborPants Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I hope Rockstar will just say "F*** the Loopholes! Lets end this DLC with Guns & Explosions!" LOVE IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnchantedX360 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Ok rockstar has said that the the main story and 2 DLCS run together, however they have not said that they end at the same time. I have proof TBOGT extands PAST the end of IV as if you look in the trailer you see a large crane being exploded. I am fairly confident that this crane is the one that is outside of the place you get the ULCP missions as the areas look very similar. I just checked the GTA story and found it was still standing! So unless i have the wrong crane this story extends past that of IV Sorry if this has already been posted I thought the very same thing before going to sleep after watching the trailer! Also that scene with Niko and Gay Tony, I only remember them meeting one time ever in GTA IV vanilla and that was with Packie by Niko's side and Luis by Gay Tony's and I see no sign of Gracie Ancelloti either! Of course all that can be argued and has been by fans saying the scene is from Gay Tony's perspective, a view I respect but still disagree with. Gay Tony was wearing glasses in TBoGT trailer, and was not in GTA IV, Gay Tony was wearing what looks like pants in TBoGT trailer and 3/4 pants in GTA IV, in TBoGT there's a truck of some sort to the screens left and in GTA IV there was not one in sight at the exchange for Gracie and the Diamons. Finally, we are seeing the scene with Niko facing his back to us, where if we're seeing this via Gay Tony's perspective we'd be looking at Niko's face like Johnny did in TL&D (DItR). That's all I could come up with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban_legend_18 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Ok rockstar has said that the the main story and 2 DLCS run together, however they have not said that they end at the same time. I have proof TBOGT extands PAST the end of IV as if you look in the trailer you see a large crane being exploded. I am fairly confident that this crane is the one that is outside of the place you get the ULCP missions as the areas look very similar. I just checked the GTA story and found it was still standing! So unless i have the wrong crane this story extends past that of IV Sorry if this has already been posted I thought the very same thing before going to sleep after watching the trailer! Also that scene with Niko and Gay Tony, I only remember them meeting one time ever in GTA IV vanilla and that was with Packie by Niko's side and Luis by Gay Tony's and I see no sign of Gracie Ancelloti either! Of course all that can be argued and has been by fans saying the scene is from Gay Tony's perspective, a view I respect but still disagree with. Gay Tony was wearing glasses in TBoGT trailer, and was not in GTA IV, Gay Tony was wearing what looks like pants in TBoGT trailer and 3/4 pants in GTA IV, in TBoGT there's a truck of some sort to the screens left and in GTA IV there was not one in sight at the exchange for Gracie and the Diamons. Finally, we are seeing the scene with Niko facing his back to us, where if we're seeing this via Gay Tony's perspective we'd be looking at Niko's face like Johnny did in TL&D (DItR). That's all I could come up with! thats what got me, when i saw it with GT and Niko i thought it was from the diamond deal then after a few times of watching it i remembered that GT was wearing shorts in IV and in the trailer he looks to be wearing trousers thats why im in two minds whether they all end at the same time or maybe BOGT ends slightly later then IV or TLAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownFan Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 Ok rockstar has said that the the main story and 2 DLCS run together, however they have not said that they end at the same time. I have proof TBOGT extands PAST the end of IV as if you look in the trailer you see a large crane being exploded. I am fairly confident that this crane is the one that is outside of the place you get the ULCP missions as the areas look very similar. I just checked the GTA story and found it was still standing! So unless i have the wrong crane this story extends past that of IV Sorry if this has already been posted I thought the very same thing before going to sleep after watching the trailer! Also that scene with Niko and Gay Tony, I only remember them meeting one time ever in GTA IV vanilla and that was with Packie by Niko's side and Luis by Gay Tony's and I see no sign of Gracie Ancelloti either! Of course all that can be argued and has been by fans saying the scene is from Gay Tony's perspective, a view I respect but still disagree with. Gay Tony was wearing glasses in TBoGT trailer, and was not in GTA IV, Gay Tony was wearing what looks like pants in TBoGT trailer and 3/4 pants in GTA IV, in TBoGT there's a truck of some sort to the screens left and in GTA IV there was not one in sight at the exchange for Gracie and the Diamons. Finally, we are seeing the scene with Niko facing his back to us, where if we're seeing this via Gay Tony's perspective we'd be looking at Niko's face like Johnny did in TL&D (DItR). That's all I could come up with! thats what got me, when i saw it with GT and Niko i thought it was from the diamond deal then after a few times of watching it i remembered that GT was wearing shorts in IV and in the trailer he looks to be wearing trousers thats why im in two minds whether they all end at the same time or maybe BOGT ends slightly later then IV or TLAD. You could also be on to something. However im almost 99% sure that that is from Luis's view not Tony's. It looks like where the diamonds deal took place but your right Tony does look different. Although Tony could of just changed his clothes? But this could also be another clue to a story past the end of IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnchantedX360 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) I did make the simple mistake in typing of getting ahead of myself without re-reading my post correctly. I did mean Luis and in Luis' persective. Sorry about that. You get where I'm coming from though... Edit: Also, what's interesting is what Gay Tony is doing, like shrugging, when did he do that with the Gracie/diamonds exchange? Luis' was the one doing all the talking! Edited September 3, 2009 by EnchantedX360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokrie Dela Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 i thought TBoGT would start around the start of Niko's story - as the diamonds are smuggled into Liberty City on the Platypus (as seen in the opening credits of IV) and then Johnny steals the diamonds for Ray from Gay tony from the boat. Im hoping the story will be longer then TLAD. it has to stretch from there to gracie's kidnappingat least. i suspect that will be near the end of TBoGT The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. Click here to view my Poetry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnchantedX360 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I see TBoGT completing the 'impossible trinity' of all these 3 protagonists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
florisinfernus Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz8P2uHOCRk...re=channel_page @1:10 http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/[email protected] 11:15 Sorry guys. It's the same moment and he is wearing the same clothes. Just a different view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus. Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 seems like they are beeing quick to end the IV storyline we could always have another game in the same universe as it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnchantedX360 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz8P2uHOCRk...re=channel_page @1:10http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/[email protected] 11:15 Sorry guys. It's the same moment and he is wearing the same clothes. Just a different view. Thanks mate for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownFan Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 Updated my first post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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