shinsta312 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 We've obviously experienced Niko's life and Johnny's life, as well as seen a preview of what Luis's life will be. And they're all different lifestyles. So there has to be one common theme in all three of the games. What do you guy's think it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyCatch Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 They all lead f*cked up lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoso_77 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 liberty city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 liberty city. Good choice, but something less obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chukkles Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Diamond Heist. Other than that it's great that they are very different versions of the same game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foohy Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 We've obviously experienced Niko's life and Johnny's life, as well as seen a preview of what Luis's life will be. And they're all different lifestyles. So there has to be one common theme in all three of the games. What do you guy's think it is? Err...what? What exactly do you mean by 'common theme'? They all life in liberty city (or alderney) They all kill alot of people Their lives are all intertwined They all like to steal cars They all are gta protagonists etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal55 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 American Dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 We've obviously experienced Niko's life and Johnny's life, as well as seen a preview of what Luis's life will be. And they're all different lifestyles. So there has to be one common theme in all three of the games. What do you guy's think it is? Err...what? What exactly do you mean by 'common theme'? They all life in liberty city (or alderney) They all kill alot of people Their lives are all intertwined They all like to steal cars They all are gta protagonists etc. Like the theme of the storylines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScratchCard Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 The "Impossible Trinity" is what connects them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaulO4 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 remember in gta 4 some guy said that the Diamond give bad luck and it seem its truth niko,john, and now it seems luis. all had sad endings also they were doing good until they touch the diamonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Kane Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 They all lead f*cked up lives. haha good one XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dotseoem Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban_legend_18 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 They are all crazy mo'fo's you wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic_Al Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 They all share a strong suspicion that an outside force is controlling their actions. They all have great health insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebunker Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) American Dream. I'd say this one, though with BoGT not out yet it's too early to make a final assessment. Still, I'd go with the proposal that they're all outsiders/minorities (ethnically for Niko and Luis, lifestyle-wise for Johnny; although Johnny being Jewish could count) who become disillusioned by the lofty ideals of the American Dream. It's nuanced, because past GTA protagonist were all outsiders to an extent, but there was little emphasis on the cultural melting pot. And also in past GTAs, the player ended up rich and successful, unlike Niko and Johnny; who lose more than they gained. Again, we'll have to wait to see Luis' story. Edited September 2, 2009 by archiebunker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Colt Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) American Dream. I'd say this one, though with BoGT not out yet it's too early to make a final assessment. Still, I'd go with the proposal that they're all outsiders/minorities (ethnically for Niko and Luis, lifestyle-wise for Johnny; although Johnny being Jewish could count) who become disillusioned by the lofty ideals of the American Dream. It's nuanced, because past GTA protagonist were all outsiders to an extent, but there was little emphasis on the cultural melting pot. And also in past GTAs, the player ended up rich and successful, unlike Niko and Johnny; who lose more than they gained. Again, we'll have to wait to see Luis' story. Not just losing more than they gained, but rather, gaining something truly meaningful to that character at a terrible price. The diamonds are just a catalyst to propel the downward spiral that each of the three protagonists were already heading in. The overall premise of GTA IV is tragedy, and in some way these three tragic characters are fuelling each other's own tragedies from their desperate attempts at preventing their inevitable fate. Edited September 2, 2009 by Leo Colt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjeem Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 The Diamonds kind of all link them togather, It's not that Niko wanted them but Ray sort of got him into it, as did Johnny and obviously and most likely Luis Lopez is deffinatly going to be the |Most involved IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Colt Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) The diamonds are portrayed as the answer to each of the protagonist's problems. The short cut to the American Dream. Of course, their greed for this "magic quick fix" only make things worse and fuels further tragedy. Niko has already suffered because of the diamonds (Bulgarin), and this is all reflected at the end of the game, where he is pretty much tested on whether he has actually learnt from the experience. By doing the Deal, he is making the same mistake yet again, and is punished appropriately with a more tragic ending, reflective of his greed and fitting for someone who puts money before family in order to get a quick fix to their situation. By giving in to his lust for Revenge, he is returning to a life he promised to renounce, and is punished by being prevented from ever having the "other kind of life" that he could, and certainly desired to have. Both endings are tragedies, both are destinies and both are caused by greed. However, one is reflective of ignorance, and the other reflective of giving in to emotions. This is also represented in the characters that are killed in each ending. One an ignorant buffoon (as lovable as he may be). The other a deeply emotional woman. I haven't played TLAD, but I assume that they get involved with the diamonds because of greed, and suffer greatly by involving themselves in a totally avoidable situation when there are longer, harder, but safer and more honest alternatives of obtaining that which they desire and fixing their situation. I know a lot of the conflict is emotionally driven (rage, loyalty, trust etc.), and that also reflects the theme of how giving in to your emotions can cause tragedy. If they had stopped being impulsive and just thought about things for minute, much of this conflict may well not have occured. TBOGT sets up the story for the fall of Gay Tony, who is in huge debt and is about to lose everything. I assume that the diamonds are again presented as the easy route out of this situation, and they fuel their own demise by pursuing that route instead of the alternatives. The easy route perhaps means that they get involved with some shady characters who cause trouble further down the line. The longer, harder route would have avoided this completely. That's what I think anyway. Edited September 2, 2009 by Leo Colt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted September 2, 2009 Author Share Posted September 2, 2009 The diamonds are portrayed as the answer to each of the protagonist's problems. The short cut to the American Dream. Of course, their greed for this "magic quick fix" only make things worse and fuels further tragedy. Niko has already suffered because of the diamonds (Bulgarin), and this is all reflected at the end of the game, where he is pretty much tested on whether he has actually learnt from the experience. By doing the Deal, he is making the same mistake yet again, and is punished appropriately with a more tragic ending, reflective of his greed and fitting for someone who puts money before family in order to get a quick fix to their situation. By giving in to his lust for Revenge, he is returning to a life he promised to renounce, and is punished by being prevented from ever having the "other kind of life" that he could, and certainly desired to have. Both endings are tragedies, both are destinies and both are caused by greed. However, one is reflective of ignorance, and the other reflective of giving in to emotions. This is also represented in the characters that are killed in each ending. One an ignorant buffoon (as lovable as he may be). The other a deeply emotional woman. I haven't played TLAD, but I assume that they get involved with the diamonds because of greed, and suffer greatly by involving themselves in a totally avoidable situation when there are longer, harder, but safer and more honest alternatives of obtaining that which they desire and fixing their situation. I know a lot of the conflict is emotionally driven (rage, loyalty, trust etc.), and that also reflects the theme of how giving in to your emotions can cause tragedy. If they had stopped being impulsive and just thought about things for minute, much of this conflict may well not have occured. TBOGT sets up the story for the fall of Gay Tony, who is in huge debt and is about to lose everything. I assume that the diamonds are again presented as the easy route out of this situation, and they fuel their own demise by pursuing that route instead of the alternatives. The easy route perhaps means that they get involved with some shady characters who cause trouble further down the line. The longer, harder route would have avoided this completely. That's what I think anyway. A for that well detailed explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The N. Bellic Man Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 They all have great health insurance. That's a good one! And a nice post from Leo Colt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJonesy Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I remember this one part in TLAD that I really like and truly expressed the - possible - reasoning behind the episodes. It was one of the missions involving Malc. Johnny and Malc were discussing "brotherhood" and Johnny stated that Malc's Uptown Riders know nothing of it. Malc then proposed that behind the type of bikes they ride, apparell worn, and music listened to - their vibe as he explained - they are still similar. These episodes show us the type of culture and lifestyles they represent even though their goals, issues, struggles, and tragedies are one in the same; it all comes down to their tragic discovery of the true American Dream for a criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livejoker Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Not sure if this has been mention but they're alll linked by revenge. Niko with Dimitri. Johnny with Brian. Luis with ______. Oh, spoilers ahead, watch out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahblah1212 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Not sure if this has been mention but they're alll linked by revenge. Niko with Dimitri. Johnny with Brian. Luis with ______. Oh, spoilers ahead, watch out. Luis is probably linked to revenge to Bulgarin, because in the trailer it appears Luis at one time worked for him and Bulgarin probably hated him for losing the diamonds in the TLAD mission "Diamonds in the Rough" and took it out on Luis somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livejoker Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Not sure if this has been mention but they're alll linked by revenge. Niko with Dimitri. Johnny with Brian. Luis with ______. Oh, spoilers ahead, watch out. Luis is probably linked to revenge to Bulgarin, because in the trailer it appears Luis at one time worked for him and Bulgarin probably hated him for losing the diamonds in the TLAD mission "Diamonds in the Rough" and took it out on Luis somehow. I was kidding but ohkay (: Thanks for the theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahblah1212 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Not sure if this has been mention but they're alll linked by revenge. Niko with Dimitri. Johnny with Brian. Luis with ______. Oh, spoilers ahead, watch out. Luis is probably linked to revenge to Bulgarin, because in the trailer it appears Luis at one time worked for him and Bulgarin probably hated him for losing the diamonds in the TLAD mission "Diamonds in the Rough" and took it out on Luis somehow. I was kidding but ohkay (: Thanks for the theory. If you look at my other posts since I joined this forum, you'll see I'm a retard. Thanks for the cookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livejoker Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Not sure if this has been mention but they're alll linked by revenge. Niko with Dimitri. Johnny with Brian. Luis with ______. Oh, spoilers ahead, watch out. Luis is probably linked to revenge to Bulgarin, because in the trailer it appears Luis at one time worked for him and Bulgarin probably hated him for losing the diamonds in the TLAD mission "Diamonds in the Rough" and took it out on Luis somehow. I was kidding but ohkay (: Thanks for the theory. If you look at my other posts since I joined this forum, you'll see I'm a retard. Thanks for the cookie. You calling yourself a retard made my night. Cookie. Might aswell add some love in this . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahblah1212 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) Not sure if this has been mention but they're alll linked by revenge. Niko with Dimitri. Johnny with Brian. Luis with ______. Oh, spoilers ahead, watch out. Luis is probably linked to revenge to Bulgarin, because in the trailer it appears Luis at one time worked for him and Bulgarin probably hated him for losing the diamonds in the TLAD mission "Diamonds in the Rough" and took it out on Luis somehow. I was kidding but ohkay (: Thanks for the theory. If you look at my other posts since I joined this forum, you'll see I'm a retard. Thanks for the cookie. You calling yourself a retard made my night. Cookie. Might aswell add some love in this . I suppose you deserve a cookie for making me laugh. (NOTE: Let's end this quote train before the Mods get pissy) Edited September 3, 2009 by blahblah1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Damn I wanted to give him a cookie but I kinda ate it...but seriously they are all connected to the Diamonds which are cursed (lol) like the Herion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubA_iLL_BrothA Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 American Dream. I'd say this one, though with BoGT not out yet it's too early to make a final assessment. Still, I'd go with the proposal that they're all outsiders/minorities (ethnically for Niko and Luis, lifestyle-wise for Johnny; although Johnny being Jewish could count) who become disillusioned by the lofty ideals of the American Dream. It's nuanced, because past GTA protagonist were all outsiders to an extent, but there was little emphasis on the cultural melting pot. And also in past GTAs, the player ended up rich and successful, unlike Niko and Johnny; who lose more than they gained. Again, we'll have to wait to see Luis' story. Not just losing more than they gained, but rather, gaining something truly meaningful to that character at a terrible price. The diamonds are just a catalyst to propel the downward spiral that each of the three protagonists were already heading in. The overall premise of GTA IV is tragedy, and in some way these three tragic characters are fuelling each other's own tragedies from their desperate attempts at preventing their inevitable fate. every gta been about actually every shooting game like gta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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