buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Oh, okay, I see now you're the voice of reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Oh, okay, I see now you're the voice of reason. Yep I sure am, someone has to be. You see after debating with you I relized that thiers no way for either side to prove what they have to say and so this turns into a pointless arguement. That being the case the whole arguement is pointless and is a waste of data space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Not really. Maybe if we can take out the insults it would be okay. Other than that, did Rockstar really give in to the masses? Or just the masses of the Xbox community? There's proof that they do this in games. They add features here and there, then they add more and more or they wouldn't have anything to add later besides missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Not really. Maybe if we can take out the insults it would be okay. Other than that, did Rockstar really give in to the masses? Or just the masses of the Xbox community? Buff can you prove RIGHT NOW your point that R* left out content on purpose with some solid links, photos, and statements? If not this whole arguement is for not and breaks down to a he said nerd said ordeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Not really. Maybe if we can take out the insults it would be okay. Other than that, did Rockstar really give in to the masses? Or just the masses of the Xbox community? Buff can you prove RIGHT NOW your point that R* left out content on purpose with some solid links, photos, and statements? If not this whole arguement is for not and breaks down to a he said nerd said ordeal. If they added parachutes, customization, and tanks in the original, what would they have added in this content that would make you so giddy to put it in your sig? besides planes, because guess what, they are adding that to the next one. FOR MORE FEATURES. They have to keep the crowd excited. So when planes are in the next trailer of GTA Next, everyone is going to say, ''Omg, told you planes were coming, they FINALLY listened to us!''. No, they didn't listen to you. They had to pull it back to excite you later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Not really. Maybe if we can take out the insults it would be okay. Other than that, did Rockstar really give in to the masses? Or just the masses of the Xbox community? Buff can you prove RIGHT NOW your point that R* left out content on purpose with some solid links, photos, and statements? If not this whole arguement is for not and breaks down to a he said nerd said ordeal. If they added parachutes, customization, and tanks in the original, what would they have added in this content that would make you so giddy to put it in your sig? besides planes, because guess what, they are adding that to the next one. FOR MORE FEATURES. They have to keep the crowd excited. So when planes are in the next trailer of GTA Next, everyone is going to say, ''Omg, told you planes were coming, they FINALLY listened to us!''. No, they didn't listen to you. They had to pull it back to excite you later on. Buff you didn't prove anything. All you did was make a statement but you didn't even back it up with FACT. Not only that but my sig. isn't a fact or edivence or anything like that! My sig.s not going to prove your point. Buff I'm still waiting for that edivence that proves you can win this debate RIGHT now otherwise you prove to me that your just wasting space and time. And you basicailly just resaid what you have already said! Now in the next post on this thread I would hope that you would PROVE YOUR POINTS. Instead of just expanding this ever ending clusterf*ck that's supposed to be a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) Dude, you haven't proven a point at all in your post so how can you talk sh*t about mine. I've said the samething but showing different examples of living proof why this happens. If you don't get it by now, like I said some people just get it and some don't. Now this is my last example. I'll dig up some proof on why the business does this but I thought common sense was enough, apparently not. Do you know the Iphone? Matter of fact, any technological device. They keep getting better and better. Updating with new things to play with. Sure they could've added a camera to the Ipod touch, however, how would they make the Ipod touch 3g stand out more than the ipod touch 2g if the 2g already had a camera? Developers leave things out thus so they can add things later. To make the newer product better than the last. It's just business. Nobody is giving in to nobody. It's not like I can look up, ''why does the the game or technology industry leave things out and then add things later''. If you don't agree then I respect that, however it's plain and simple. Edited September 6, 2009 by buffalosoulj4h20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
florisinfernus Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Not really. Maybe if we can take out the insults it would be okay. Other than that, did Rockstar really give in to the masses? Or just the masses of the Xbox community? Buff can you prove RIGHT NOW your point that R* left out content on purpose with some solid links, photos, and statements? If not this whole arguement is for not and breaks down to a he said nerd said ordeal. If they added parachutes, customization, and tanks in the original, what would they have added in this content that would make you so giddy to put it in your sig? besides planes, because guess what, they are adding that to the next one. FOR MORE FEATURES. They have to keep the crowd excited. So when planes are in the next trailer of GTA Next, everyone is going to say, ''Omg, told you planes were coming, they FINALLY listened to us!''. No, they didn't listen to you. They had to pull it back to excite you later on. GTA IV was the most expensive videogame of all time. Maybe they held back, maybe they wanted to cash in and make other episodes more interesting or maybe they just thought it was to costly to ad even more stuff. Nobody knows except for them and neither do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Dude, you haven't proven a point at all in your post so how can you talk sh*t about mine. I've said the samething but showing different examples of living proof why this happens. If you don't get it by now, like I said some people just get it and some don't. Now this is my last example. I'll dig up some proof on why the business does this but I thought common sense was enough, apparently not. Do you know the Iphone? Matter of fact, any technological device. They keep getting better and better. Updating with new things to play with. Sure they could've added a camera to the Ipod touch, however, how would they make the Ipod touch 3g stand out more than the ipod touch 2g if the 2g already had a camera? Developers leave things out thus so they can add things later. To make the newer product better than the last. It's just business. Nobody is giving in to nobody. First off all I never said I proved anything did I? I said both sides can't prove anything in this thread so the debate is pointless. And while you gave an example which is a step up you never gave edivnedce that R* didn't the same thing. So you have proved further debate on the issue is pointless and is a waste of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) Like I said, they added T.V and the useless internet. How would it be costly to add a parachute, more weapons and a tank? I'm saying how can you talk sh*t about me not making any points when you just bitch about the topic taking up space. Report to a mod if you don't like this topic, but you don't have to post if you have nuthing to more to add. Edited September 6, 2009 by buffalosoulj4h20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
florisinfernus Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Like I said, they added T.V and the useless internet. How would it be costly to add a parachute, more weapons and a tank? I have to say I kind of agree. I think the annihalator with just bullets was the best example. In TLAD it suddenly had explosive rounds even though you never use the Annihalator. But I don't really care rockstar does this. I think it's more fun to enjoy every little bit at a time then to get everything and to get bored sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Like I said, they added T.V and the useless internet. How would it be costly to add a parachute, more weapons and a tank? I'm saying how can you talk sh*t about me not making any points when you just bitch about the topic taking up space. Report to a mod if you don't like this topic, but you don't have to post if you have nuthing to more to add. And here comes the point. WE DON'T KNOW! Unless you have prove either way that it was more or less expensive then your still just wasting TIME and SPACE! Do you get that? So weres the magic link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Like I said, they added T.V and the useless internet. How would it be costly to add a parachute, more weapons and a tank? I'm saying how can you talk sh*t about me not making any points when you just bitch about the topic taking up space. Report to a mod if you don't like this topic, but you don't have to post if you have nuthing to more to add. And here comes the point. WE DON'T KNOW! Unless you have prove either way that it was more or less expensive then your still just wasting TIME and SPACE! Do you get that? So weres the magic link? Like I said, if you nuthin to add report and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) Like I said, they added T.V and the useless internet. How would it be costly to add a parachute, more weapons and a tank? I'm saying how can you talk sh*t about me not making any points when you just bitch about the topic taking up space. Report to a mod if you don't like this topic, but you don't have to post if you have nuthing to more to add. And here comes the point. WE DON'T KNOW! Unless you have prove either way that it was more or less expensive then your still just wasting TIME and SPACE! Do you get that? So weres the magic link? Like I said, if you nuthin to add report and move on. O no see the point of me doing this was not to get the topic closed or mods involved per say it was to get something through you thick head so in the future we won't have this problem. If your going to state something be prepared to back it up with some facts. I may have had made the mistake earlier but I ratified it. You on the other hand continue to talk s*** with no prove and then go into a little corner when confronted with the fact that you don't know what your talking about. And b*tching? You need to get in touch and understand that I was critizing and that every single person in the world that points out flaws in your debate isn't doing it just for the sake of but to see if you really know what your talking about. You obviously don't and I don't see how you continuing to post on this thread is going to change that. Edit O and using your own words. Care to back that up since you know everything? My claims are about common sense Don't you hate it when your owbn arguements come to bite you in the ass? That pretty mcuh sums up this whole arugement huh? Edited September 6, 2009 by bobgtafan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) Dude, chill the f*ck out you take these forums waaaay too seriously lol. I'm looking up common sense as we speak. I'm asking for links leading up to these marketing strategies, but I'm sure you will say, ''Rockstar never said that!''. Ofcourse not, these companies arent going to tell you that they withhold features to outbest their predecessor. This is why it's hard to find a link saying that. Edited September 6, 2009 by buffalosoulj4h20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah1992 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Dude, chill the f*ck out you take these forums waaaay too seriously lol. I'm looking up common sense as we speak. lol "we did not start the flame war!" look that vid up on youtube! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Dude, chill the f*ck out you take these forums waaaay too seriously lol. I'm looking up common sense as we speak. lol "we did not start the flame war!" look that vid up on youtube! That sh*t is funny XD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarp1996 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Dude, chill the f*ck out you take these forums waaaay too seriously lol. I'm looking up common sense as we speak. I'm asking for links leading up to these marketing strategies, but I'm sure you will say, ''Rockstar never said that!''. Ofcourse not, these companies arent going to tell you that they withhold features to outbest their predecessor. This is why it's hard to find a link saying that. How 'bout you two agree to disagree and listen to the turtles( they always end arguements with there Phsycodelic sounds )http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJWKyARKudc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwelshmorris5 Posted September 6, 2009 Author Share Posted September 6, 2009 Conclusion...? GTA IV is a sh*t game simple as...now TBOGT on the other hand is looking to shape the gta series up again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) http://www.low-budget-marketing-methods.co...-marketing.html Consumer Motivation It begins with understanding what motivates the consumer to buy. Advertising or any other means of marketing must immediately grab the consumer’s attention and appeal to their emotions. A B2C marketing tactic that encourages impulse buying is definitely a plus. Most B2C marketing campaigns are kept relatively short in order to keep the customer interested. New ideas and presentations hold a consumer’s interest and keep your business top of mind. Even if a customer is intent on purchasing a particular product from you, there is always the chance competitor’s marketing tactics can result in losing the sale, right up to the point of purchase. I'm looking up more about consumer motivation and their behaviors. It's all psychology. I bet they teach this in college. I'm not saying that Rockstar withholds every idea they have and then gradually add it as content, but for the big things that we want, planes, tanks, parachutes, they keep that as their ace in the hole. For when they have to add that ''next big thing''. Edited September 6, 2009 by buffalosoulj4h20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnchantedX360 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 And those you actually believe that they couldn't add parachutes in the original game that have been in developement for 4 years ( seems like T.V and bowling made it though ) are Rockstar's favorite consumers. Money spending suckers. No parachutes, fight club, bouncer mini game, cars, interiors, etc... Could have been absent from GTA IV (vanilla) for any reason. Although I have no problem personally believing it was of financial significance to wait, however that along with any other theory can not be proven either which way we go about it! Could have been money, could have been that they needed it for the 3rd episode to keep it filled with content and abilities (same with TL&D) and heck it could have even been that R* North made a last minute decision to bring back features they originally did not want for GTA IV (because they had envisioned more sense of realism in GTA IV). Either way, telling people to stop being stupid or they're idiots when quoting the Housers (who seem to have earned people's trust and respect over the years) still sounds like those lame bastards who have no clue (and like those wankers in the alien example given before). You're not 35 and living in your mom's (or worse yet your grandmother's) basement are you dude? I didn't mean to strike a nerve if that's the case. Strike a nerve? I didn't even read your post. You seem to have an obsession with where people live and by the way I'm 18 living with my sister, but thanks for the insight of your life though . About your claim that I'm striking a conspiracy, how is it a conspiracy when common sense is all you need? I already explained the situation with you. I told you if you were a developer, you would want to take out x number of extras to add it to the next x number games. It's happened before you dumbf*ck. In GTA 3 we couldn't fly helicopters or ride bikes. In Vice City we couldn't swim. They don't add every feature in one game, so that they can add it later on to make it seem new, f*cking retard. This is what happened, except now the ps3/PC players can't get it. How is it ''given in to the masses'' if you're not including PC and PS3 gamers? All I had to read was dumbf*ck to know I struck a nerve, poor little kid, go to sleep little boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Eh, you're still not bringing saying anything new. Just insults which I said I would stop because of the Mods. You obviously know you're wrong and have nuthin left to say, and if it makes you feel any better... Yez you hurted me lil feeeelingz . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnchantedX360 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Well it's nice you're controlling the vulgar language. As for "not bringing anything new" this isn't a popularity contest here, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and said you may be right earlier (still unsure if you read my post yet) but also said none of the claims can be proven. I also gave R* North and in that Sam and Dan Houser the benefit of the doubt too because at the end of the day we don't know what kinds of issues they do and do not have developing for both the 360 and PS3. As for hurting ya feelings, I'm sorry dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 I provided examples on top of examples. I even posted a link to Consumer Motivation, and the psychology of business and marketing. What have you done besides post guess work? Finally realized that you aren't right? Then move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowdro420 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) enchanted. buffalo. please watch this. Edited September 6, 2009 by blowdro420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
florisinfernus Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 This topic should've been called: ''epic online bitchfight''. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Your mom should've called me. People love songs on here I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarp1996 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Your mom should've called me. ooooh snap (I smell a yo mama fight ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
florisinfernus Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Your mom should've called me. People love songs on here I guess. A mom joke. How original.. And it isn't even a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) Jesus, I swear people on here are so serious. At least I found your view of this debate as a bitch fight light hearted. Hey if you don't wanna be in it, don't talk sh*t. Post songs like these other dudes, make sure you post one about peace and love. Edited September 6, 2009 by buffalosoulj4h20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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