true side of gang

[BallasOG]

 

 

 

what the point of engouraging these criminal ? ( gang member) they rape , they kill ,i mean they have no morale and people still think its cool to be like em? i just dont understand people.

 

 

i find people promoting gang ,quite dont know what their talking about. gang member are just a bunch of people with no morale, yea some had bad childhood but look i had a rough childhood but i dont go arond killing people or taking young girls into prostitution ring .

 

 

 

my point is promoting gang member is quite not a thing to be proud. wheter your white or black , latino , green, yellow or whatever other race that exist in this rock.

 

discuss

[xTRLx]

If gangs arent cool, why is your name Ballas OG? You're not a gangsta are you?

 

But on topic, I think gangs are the scum of the earth, If I was living in somewhere like LA, I would stay the hell away from them. People probably think it's cool to be a gangsta because they're seen as people who don't have to obey the law, do what they want etc..

[BallasOG]

If gangs arent cool, why is your name Ballas OG? You're not a gangsta are you?

 

 

lol well you pwned me on this one but look its a game gang so im maybe encouragin GTA gang but i think real life gang are just a bunch of people who shoulds get a job i mean you feel better if you get something you bought with your money that you earned thru a job

[Warplay3r]

People turn to gangs when they are in need of a family and friends. A trustworthy gathering of people to turn to in their time of need. Not all gangs are outcasts who rob, steal, shoot, & kill. That just comes with the burden of being in a gang. Some gangsters actually have morals. Look at some. Imprisoned, and they completely changed their lives around. Believe me, a gang is far more than meets the eye. They have no morals and be cold, but sometimes that's all people have to turn to.

[AlianAnt]

You say that as if it's an excuse. Crime is crime. There are much more positive ways to vent your anger for the world than criminal activities, and infinitely better ways to make friends. Incarceration shouldn't have to be a stepping stone to sanity, and it isn't fair to those who have had family members murdered or things taken from them. You can't possibly try to tell me that all should be forgiven because the gang member in question had a hard life. Lots of people have hard lives and most of them don't resort to things that degrade society to get by. It's their very activity that makes their lives so difficult and I find it laughable when they blame the difficulties of their surroundings on their outcomes. I guess hard work is too much for them.

[Warplay3r]

You say that as if it's an excuse. Crime is crime. There are much more positive ways to vent your anger for the world than criminal activities, and infinitely better ways to make friends. Incarceration shouldn't have to be a stepping stone to sanity, and it isn't fair to those who have had family members murdered or things taken from them. You can't possibly try to tell me that all should be forgiven because the gang member in question had a hard life. Lots of people have hard lives and most of them don't resort to things that degrade society to get by. It's their very activity that makes their lives so difficult and I find it laughable when they blame the difficulties of their surroundings on their outcomes. I guess hard work is too much for them.

I'm not trying to defend gangs. They do disgust me too, but I'm just informing the topic creator why gangs form, and people turn to gangs. Believe me, I'm not in anyway trying to defend gang members.

[AlianAnt]

Ah, ok. Sorry if I offended you with that little rant as I misinterpreted your intent.

[Typhus]

In my home town a black gang member was stealing a bicycle. The owner of said bicycle saw this and confronted the fellow. For his trouble he was stabbed in the head.

The criminal seemed proud and waved to passersby as he sat in the back of the police car.

In that moment the life of an innocent man was ruined and yet the criminal saw in his actions something admirable. It's no good trying to understand the criminal. You can't just build youth-centres or skate parks and expect them not to kill and rob.

It's not boredom which is the cause of their deviancy, it is simply a rotten soul.

They operate solely to boost their ego. They have no desires beyond ruling and destroying their sh*thole environment and then try and blame The Man because they get "no opportunities".

Pathetic.

[BrownBear]

well if you look into the gangs their just kids whos parents are junkies so they look for a family somewere else

[Creed Bratton]

It's because of the television mostly. People make movies and tv shows about gangs and whatnot. And the way they represent those gangs influence the way youth thinks about them. Not to mention the music.

But whatever floats ones boat.

 

I like rap music, some old 90's stuff mostly. But I think gangs are retarded.

 

Mafia is even worse. Those ghetto gangs at least don't mutilate their victims and they don't torture them.

 

Yeah, I'm saying all this and yet I enjoy a good gang or mafia movie and of course video games. Ain't that a paradox.

[XAF226]

Many gang members are heartless and care of nothing else than their own goal of power. They've lived through a childhood so bad that they have lost sympathy for life. These people simply don't care and their minds can't be changed into believing that what they do is wrong. There are other gang members who grow up with the same childhood but aren't at heartless as others. They're young and stupid so they feel forced into living a gang life but also feel bad for everything they do. Some go to jail and are 100% regretful for what they've done and then realize that gang life was never the way to live. Others don't realize until they're dead.

 

Edit: GTAvanja, I disagree with everything you just said.

[BrownBear]

gtavanja its abit naive to think that all the gun crime and drug dealing is caused by a few rap songs and watching boyz n the hood

[chris]

 

If gangs arent cool, why is your name Ballas OG? You're not a gangsta are you?

 

 

Because its named after a GTA gang, its just like if my name was Sir Killalot named after the robot from robotwars it doesnt neccesarily mean i am a robot that kills alot of things, what a stupid question.

 

On topic - There is always going to be gangs its in human nature, im sure there was a topic similar to this a while ago with a few pages, you should search for it OP.

 

@GTAVanja, yes gangs torture and mutilate their enemies, search google for Mara Salvatrucha.

[BrownBear]

if you want torture look google turkish mafia in london

[trip]

In my home town a black gang member was stealing a bicycle.

how do you know he was a gang member and not just a bike stealing thug?

 

everyone is in a gang. anytime you hang with your friends - that would be a gang. it isn't until a gang is named and branches out in an organized fashion that truly makes it a "gang".

 

[Seachmall]

For kids growing up in these neighbourhoods joining a gang is often the smartest thing to do. They provide protection and friendship, of course they only protect you from other gangs creating a catch 22 situation.

 

One thing I find interesting about gangs is that they tend to operate much like a country. They have their own economy, their own government, their own land, their own colours and flags etc. and they will fight and kill to protect that. A big difference between warring gangs and warring countries is that gangs kill each other while countries kill those people over there.

 

It's essentially the same thing on a different scale.

[Damien.]

The real truth is that running round in packs doing whatever to survive is pretty much what we're hardwired to do, humans are pack animals. Even though we've got morals & laws and such these days, there's still a part of us that want to roam free, take whatever you need and killing anyone who's in your way. Even though so called "street gangs" aren't a good example of that behavior its closest we get to it in modern society.

[Max]

 

If gangs arent cool, why is your name Ballas OG? You're not a gangsta are you?

 

 

Because its named after a GTA gang, its just like if my name was Sir Killalot named after the robot from robotwars it doesnt neccesarily mean i am a robot that kills alot of things, what a stupid question.

 

Well actually TRL was sending up the topic starter's point about Gangs pervading popular culture and being seemingly encouraged by people emulating the criminal way of life. By naming himself after a gang, even a fictional one, BallasOG is admitting that is something he aspires to, or at least something worthy of naming himself after. Even if he's not a gang member himself, by naming himself after a gang he's buying into the popular acceptance of petty crime and promoting the 'gangsta' way of life.

[XXI Inc]

If I were to be in a gang or the like, I'd be in the Cosa Nostra. They only kill people that deserve it and they are smarter than hoodlums and make a hell of a lot of money.

[Pumpkin Zone]

In my home town a black gang member was stealing a bicycle. The owner of said bicycle saw this and confronted the fellow. For his trouble he was stabbed in the head.

 

Was it this guy? Mother of god, what sort of monster has Doc Louis turned into?

 

 

Regardless some people need to teach these inner city youths that stabbing someone in the head is not the right reaction to a problem.

 

But that is the problem with this society, and why many kids turn to being in gangs. It's all about where you grow up. Just be lucky you didn't grow up there. There's not much we can do other than try to prevent it from happening further.

[Sanjeem]

Well Only the Hoodlum street gangs do mindless killing, Raping, whatever. The Organized Mafia, Russians, Turks, South american cartels, they Usually kill people who deserve it, and some don't end up in the slammer because they are Organized and have their Back covered usually.

[Seachmall]

 

Well Only the Hoodlum street gangs do mindless killing, Raping, whatever. The Organized Mafia, Russians, Turks, South american cartels, they Usually kill people who deserve it, and some don't end up in the slammer because they are Organized and have their Back covered usually.

Street gangs rape women, mafias and cartels bring hundreds of women into various countries to work as sex slaves. Street gangs kill each other and innocents, mafias and cartels murder politicians and innocent community figures who attempt to make the community better, as well as innocent passer-bys.. They are not worthy of any more respect than your average street gangs, they do the exact same things but just on a bigger scale.

[Typhus]

But that is the problem with this society, and why many kids turn to being in gangs. It's all about where you grow up. Just be lucky you didn't grow up there. There's not much we can do other than try to prevent it from happening further.

Come now, how long can we use our environment as an excuse? There comes a time when the criminal must be held accountable.

If you were stabbed, would you want to pity the attacker? Would you want to pin the blame on circumstances or peer pressure?

No. We are all responsible for our own lives and decisions.

The law must be blind. Blind to pity, blind to smooth talking, blind to excuses and racial politics and sociological reasoning.

It must serve to rob these people of what makes them criminals. Their pride, their dignity, their respect in the eyes of the world.

The law must make them such wretched creatures that their shambolic appearance is a detterent to everyone within a Welsh mile.

[BallasOG]

there some gang in my city and they not only do petty crime , they actualy kidnap underage girls to sell em to prostitution ring and that i think is very immorale

[chris]

there some gang in my city and they not only do petty crime , they actualy kidnap underage girls to sell em to prostitution ring and that i think is very immorale

If my daughter got taken i would get her back or die trying, but i would without a doubt take alot of those c*nts down with me.

[Seachmall]

 

But that is the problem with this society, and why many kids turn to being in gangs. It's all about where you grow up. Just be lucky you didn't grow up there. There's not much we can do other than try to prevent it from happening further.

Come now, how long can we use our environment as an excuse? There comes a time when the criminal must be held accountable.

If you were stabbed, would you want to pity the attacker? Would you want to pin the blame on circumstances or peer pressure?

No. We are all responsible for our own lives and decisions.

The law must be blind. Blind to pity, blind to smooth talking, blind to excuses and racial politics and sociological reasoning.

It must serve to rob these people of what makes them criminals. Their pride, their dignity, their respect in the eyes of the world.

The law must make them such wretched creatures that their shambolic appearance is a detterent to everyone within a Welsh mile.

Nobody is saying we shouldn't punish these people to the fullest extent of the law but trying to understand why they're that way to prevent further crime is a much better solution. People are a product of their environment but no one accepts that as an excuse, just a means to explain why they've done what they did.

 

It's not a coincidence that most gang members are born into gang areas. Decrease gang presence and increase community spending and there is going to be less crime.

[Chargr]

There used to be a purpose before, pretty much to defend themselves, but that changed quickly, now its looked by some as a cool thing to do, get money, girls, etc. Many get in though because of protection, revenge and to make the gang their family, since most don't have any.

 

I'm speaking about L.A gangs, its similar nationwide now too. Today, if a gang is created its pretty much made because of drugs, turf, money flow....

[BrownBear]

If my daughter got taken i would get her back or die trying, but i would without a doubt take alot of those c*nts down with me.

me too despite the obvious handicap of not having a daughter

i think we should all watch ross kemp on gangs these guys are just poor people who need money (my ps3 is stolen) these b*astards will all die (gets shotgun)

[Saggy]

There used to be a purpose before, pretty much to defend themselves, but that changed quickly, now its looked by some as a cool thing to do, get money, girls, etc. Many get in though because of protection, revenge and to make the gang their family, since most don't have any.

 

I'm speaking about L.A gangs, its similar nationwide now too. Today, if a gang is created its pretty much made because of drugs, turf, money flow....

I think most gangs that people have in their neighborhoods are rather old ones, like Bloods, Crips, Surenos and Nortenos. All of the new, recent gangs that people have started beacuse of stupid reasons are only really prominent in one particular area. For example, my friend beavis lives in Fresno Califronia, and says the biggest gang down there is the Bulldogs, which I've never heard of. However, the Surenos and Nortenos practically run my town, and they're in his too even with the presence of the "Bulldogs". So what's going to happen when the Bulldogs give it up? This huge nation of Surenos and Nortenos is going to fill that vacuum.

 

Also I think the idea of kids joining gangs because they need protection and sustenance is a very over-extended ideal. There are a lot of people that join gangs because of that, but there are also a lot of people who join gangs for the "cool" lifestyle of it. They're usually the most dangerous because they're out to make a reputation for themselves, whereas the people in the gang just because it's all they've got, are probably doing more modest things like burglary, drug dealing, car theft and only really doing some of the atrocious things mentioned when someone else in the gang doesn't.

 

 

Anyway, in my opinion there's two reasons why the gang lifestyle is being promoted to people who don't need it

 

1) It is very profitable. Media companies, movie makers, music producers, etc. have realized since the early 90s that "gangsta rap" is a very popular genre and from that they've created and stimulated a market which extends much past music into movies, video games, clothing, even food products. I mean, does anyone really think "Pimp Juice" is cool?

 

2)The gangs want newer, younger members, so they're playing off of all of this attention and recruiting more young people with music and media. The Nortenos even have a few CDs out, with lyrics like, "I can kill a scrap if you need me to", and others that encourage loyalty to the gang. Kids pick it up, listen to it, and then think, "Oh, wow, I really can be a gang banger," and then go start up their very own Norteno clique.

[Chargr]

I saw a recent documentary of the Bulldogs on Gangland (History Channel), and they are pretty big, used to be with the Nortenos, until they decided not to take orders anymore. They are on their own now, fighting both gangs, but Bulldogs seem to have an advantage since they pretty much run Fresno.

 

Here in Southern California, its all Surenos here, no norteno gangs. They control the most of the drug trade around here, and most gangs (if not all) end up with them.

 

You also got to add that most of these gang members, have parents, grandparents that where or are still involve in gangs too, that's where the majority come from.