Mexico Legalizes Drugs

[CryptReaperDorian]

Personally I believe that legalisation of most drugs is beneficial. My reasoning is, they're no more harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Substances which are often forgotten about when the word 'drugs' are mentioned. And also, drugs would be a huge source of revenue and jobs in these times of need.

So true. I mean weed is still not healthy (unless it's made into a medical form), but it's still less dangerous than alcohol. I believe in school the teachers make weed seem more dangerous than it actually is. Weed actually has a lot of benefits to it also other than just the bad unhealthy stuff. In Health the teacher said a roll the size of a cigarette of marijuana is equal to 13 cigarettes or something like that. Well probably, but it still has many more benefits than cigarettes do (which have basically no benefits).

[Warplay3r]

Personally I believe that legalisation of most drugs is beneficial. My reasoning is, they're no more harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Substances which are often forgotten about when the word 'drugs' are mentioned. And also, drugs would be a huge source of revenue and jobs in these times of need.

So true. I mean weed is still not healthy (unless it's made into a medical form), but it's still less dangerous than alcohol. I believe in school the teachers make weed seem more dangerous than it actually is. Weed actually has a lot of benefits to it also other than just the bad unhealthy stuff. In Health the teacher said a roll the size of a cigarette of marijuana is equal to 13 cigarettes or something like that. Well probably, but it still has many more benefits than cigarettes do (which have basically no benefits).

Yeah, weed isn't healthy, but it's way more healthy than any other drug. It's healthier than cigarettes, albeit. Think about it. A typical cigarette contains rat poison, tar, etc. Most of the ingrediants in a cigarette are harmful. Nonetheless, I smoke cigarettes & I'm well aware of the risks it has. Anywho, millions have died from lung cancer due to the smoking of cigarettes for years. Marijuana hasn't had one death statistic since it was around. And that's the truth.

 

Oh, and cigarettes cure stress. When you're older, you'll be surprised at what a relief it is to have a smoke break.

[CryptReaperDorian]

Personally I believe that legalisation of most drugs is beneficial. My reasoning is, they're no more harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Substances which are often forgotten about when the word 'drugs' are mentioned. And also, drugs would be a huge source of revenue and jobs in these times of need.

So true. I mean weed is still not healthy (unless it's made into a medical form), but it's still less dangerous than alcohol. I believe in school the teachers make weed seem more dangerous than it actually is. Weed actually has a lot of benefits to it also other than just the bad unhealthy stuff. In Health the teacher said a roll the size of a cigarette of marijuana is equal to 13 cigarettes or something like that. Well probably, but it still has many more benefits than cigarettes do (which have basically no benefits).

Yeah, weed isn't healthy, but it's way more healthy than any other drug. It's healthier than cigarettes, albeit. Think about it. A typical cigarette contains rat poison, tar, etc. Most of the ingrediants in a cigarette are harmful. Nonetheless, I smoke cigarettes & I'm well aware of the risks it has. Anywho, millions have died from lung cancer due to the smoking of cigarettes for years. Marijuana hasn't had one death statistic since it was around. And that's the truth.

 

Oh, and cigarettes cure stress. When you're older, you'll be surprised at what a relief it is to have a smoke break.

Yeah, the only times people die while on weed is because they do something stupid during their high. Weed hasn't killed anybody, but probably the actions of people while doped has. I'm sure many people who smoke weed probably smoke a blunt a day while some cigarette smokers smoke an entire pack a day. Just to refresh my memory, how many cigarettes are in a standard pack?

[Warplay3r]

Personally I believe that legalisation of most drugs is beneficial. My reasoning is, they're no more harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Substances which are often forgotten about when the word 'drugs' are mentioned. And also, drugs would be a huge source of revenue and jobs in these times of need.

So true. I mean weed is still not healthy (unless it's made into a medical form), but it's still less dangerous than alcohol. I believe in school the teachers make weed seem more dangerous than it actually is. Weed actually has a lot of benefits to it also other than just the bad unhealthy stuff. In Health the teacher said a roll the size of a cigarette of marijuana is equal to 13 cigarettes or something like that. Well probably, but it still has many more benefits than cigarettes do (which have basically no benefits).

Yeah, weed isn't healthy, but it's way more healthy than any other drug. It's healthier than cigarettes, albeit. Think about it. A typical cigarette contains rat poison, tar, etc. Most of the ingrediants in a cigarette are harmful. Nonetheless, I smoke cigarettes & I'm well aware of the risks it has. Anywho, millions have died from lung cancer due to the smoking of cigarettes for years. Marijuana hasn't had one death statistic since it was around. And that's the truth.

 

Oh, and cigarettes cure stress. When you're older, you'll be surprised at what a relief it is to have a smoke break.

Yeah, the only times people die while on weed is because they do something stupid during their high. Weed hasn't killed anybody, but probably the actions of people while doped has. I'm sure many people who smoke weed probably smoke a blunt a day while some cigarette smokers smoke an entire pack a day. Just to refresh my memory, how many cigarettes are in a standard pack?

20 are in a standard pack. But yeah, once you're hooked in to whatever (be it cigarettes or marijuana), it will be very hard to get off of it. Believe me, I know.

 

And about the weed & cigarette smokers smoking a blunt a day & vice versa, that isn't neccessarily true. It just depends on how dependant you are on it. Some smoke two packs a day, some smoke 5 or 6 a day.

[Typhus]

Typhus, you must realize that on a practical level prohibition is not working, and will never work. We have to turn to personal responsibility because it is the only thing that makes sense at this point, that is if were are going to ignore the ethical issues of the government regulating what you do with yourself.

Of course, drugs are a business commodity. People will always want them and enterprising men and women will always seek to meet the need. Terry Clark, Curtis Warren, Pablo Escobar. All intelligent men who saw a gap in the market and sought to exploit it. The criminal nature of the substance only managed to turn intelligent men into hardened killers which ruins more and more lives.

Perhaps by introducing drugs as a product we will stop both the violence and that irritating stoner attitude. The long greasy hair, the leaf imagery, the undeserved superiority complex.

I hope one day it will be seen as a consumable product instead of something that defines your lifestyle.

[unopescio]

 

Always remember that one day all this drug monkey business will be legal. They won't leave it to people like me... not when they finally figure out how much money is to be made - not millions, f*cking billions. Recreational drugs PLC - giving the people what they want... Good times today, Stupor tomorrow. But this is now, so until prohibition ends make hay whilst the sun shines.

 

W'ere one step closer.

[XAF226]

I don't think it's any closer in the US. The things the government used to tell us and what many people still believe is why. The government will say all the bullsh*t they can just to benefit themselves. Anyone see Reefer Madness?

 

"Yes, I remember. Just a young boy... under the influence of drugs... who killed his entire family with an axe."

[Saggy]

Yeah, they did this a few years ago in 2006 or 2007 too. Right before the Cartels started to get really violent. Know what set that off? Someone came in, and recriminalized the drugs. Best cause and effect demonstration when it comes to drug prohibition I've ever seen, because now they're right back to decriminalization.

 

Also, Jean Capel, there are quite a few very successful people who've used heroin and opium, and you don't have to go 200 years back or look through a grunge music collection find them. Hunter S. Thompson, for example, used heroin ( as well about every other thing ) from time to time during his career. Heroin addicts would just be addicted to coke if they hadn't found heroin first, it's not like the drug they're addicted to makes much of a difference.

 

Past that, I don't think there would be that much of a foot-print on society from these people if it wasn't so hard for them to get their fix. Like the program they had in Germany for example, but more along the lines of just giving these people their fix for very cheap amounts. I doubt that they would be robbing anyone, or selling their children's food if they could get heroin for $.25, and hell, require them to give their address and sh*t at the same time so that state workers can go by and help their kids if they have them--of course they'd have to give them amnesty or the whole thing wouldn't work.

 

I didn't lay out a perfect plan just beacuse I wanted to address the tax issue. We're already paying so much taxes putting these people in jails, paying for their medical bills, and even their treatment once they've made it out of jail. I don't think that the cost of supplying them with their drug is going to be anywhere near the amount of money we're spending in the prohibition game.

 

 

Also, about marijuana...

 

One "roll" is not anywhere near equal to the tar found in 13 cigarettes. This statistic has been changed from 3, to 4, to 5, now all the way up to 13? Here's the truth: The only viable study ever done on the matter suggests that the leaves of the cannabis plant have up to three times the tar as the leaves of the tobacco plant, which is where people got this notion that one joint is equal to three cigarettes. I don't know how it got blown up to 13, but here's the clincher: Most people don't smoke the leaves of the pot plant, but the flowering buds, and studies on how much tar they have in comparison with cigarettes have not been done as far as I can see. Oh except for NIDA, but if you trust them, you might as well just go back and read the reports that came from the Regan administration.

 

Doesn't mean any kind of smoke isn't carcinogenic and bad for your health though. However through a vaporizer, the only thing you need to worry about is the "depressant" effects of THC. Only problem is that enough studies haven't been done on this area to really give you a "why" or "how" THC depresses a person, NIDA and some other organizations just figure that since it screws with how your brain fires off serotonin, that it must cause depression. Only problem is the very same effect on serotonin can produce a powerful anti-depressant, but the DEA isn't interested in giving money to any research that doesn't show something negative about marijuana. If you're trying to research its effect on tumors, they won't grant you the money based on their being no evidence that it would help, despite the studies done at both Italian and Japanese universities that no suggest THC halts and even reverses the growth of tumors.

 

Really the only place you're going to find any legitimate research on marijuana is from universities or from countries who are neutral on drug prohibition. If it's a government study, it's almost invariably flawed and cherry picked for desired results.

[Vercetti21]

I'm not sure how effective it's going to be to legalize acid or heroin in the US, but Mexico needed this. I guess we'll see if it can set a good example for Obama and be a good push in the right direction.

[GodfatherITB]

I'm crossing my fingers that this will start a trend.

[Damien.]

 

I'm crossing my fingers that this will start a trend.

^this

 

I mean, who would do stuff like meth, GHB & ketamine if the prohibition was lifted? Certain people will always try to get high some way or another, I'd rather have people on cocaine, Cannabis and Amphetamine than huffing gas, thinner and cigarette lighters.

Edited August 22, 2009 by Damien.

[Vanilla Shake]

Legalize pot, here in the States. Right f*cking now.

[XAF226]

Legalize pot, here in the States. Right f*cking now.

Ron Paul 2012.

[Sergi]

As I said in a previous post, if you think this effort of legalizing small amounts of drugs is hurting the Cartels, stopping violence or making drugs not as illegal you are seriously mistaken. They'll never legalize all drugs that's a known fact and even if they legalized certain drugs to an extent it still wouldn't stop drug dealers from selling them and governments would probably put into effect something like if you committed a crime high off what ever drug then you won't be legally able to purchase them anymore or something. The so called "War on Drugs" is not a war because no governments will be able to stop it or win it. This so called legalizing is just something to save face for the Mexican government.

Edited August 22, 2009 by Sergi

[Star-Lord]

I'm crossing my fingers that this will start a trend.

^this

 

I mean, who would do stuff like meth, GHB & ketamine if the prohibition was lifted? Certain people will always try to get high some way or another, I'd rather have people on cocaine, Cannabis and Amphetamine than huffing gas, thinner and cigarette lighters.

Hahaha, so true man. But you left out the mushrooms (From the underground). Eating those is like going on a acid trip, no sh*t.

 

So, I've been told.

[Vanilla Shake]

Legalize pot, here in the States. Right f*cking now.

Ron Paul 2012.

I wanted him to win this past election but the media just glossed over him because "oh, we might have our first ever woman president or our first ever black president or a president who's as old as salt and is just like Bush" as opposed to focusing on real issues.

 

The f*cker's getting my vote, that's for damn sure. I just hope he makes it to the final election.

 

Marijuana 2012!

[Don Garcia]

But if we legalize marijuana in the States, potheads will have nothing to talk about anymore.

[Vanilla Shake]

But if we legalize marijuana in the States, potheads will have nothing to talk about anymore.

But...it'd be much easier for me to get my hands on some, and I'd be high all the f*cking time.

[TheGuyFromThere]

 

You can do drugs and still be a great, influential person. I mean, Adolf Hitler did cocaine and he conquered most of Europe.

 

He did not "do" cocaine, he was prescribed it by his doctor.

 

I urge all to take a look at this article; link

 

For those of you who are too stupid and lazy to read; it basically states that Switzerland ran a heroin programme where "hard-core junkies" could shoot up in sanitised, safe, clean areas with prescribed heroin and methadone, legally. The results were that it saved a lot of money, reduced aids contraction, reduced the required dosage for already users and nulled the black market. It was no longer a drug dealers world, but one which was "relatively safe" for junkies. -- Did I mention, THE JUNKIES PAY FOR IT!, NOT "YOU AND ME", THE TAX PAYER

 

If this is the result of legalised heroin, arguably the most addictive and destructive drug available to humans, then imagine the positive impact if softer, more popular drugs, were legalised, IE, Cannabis and cocaine.

 

 

@Trip: Yea, Methadone is as bad as heroin practically. Who's the genius who came up with the idea "Hey let's get these guys off of a drug, by addicting them to another drug!

 

Well firstly, Methadone is not nearly as lethal as heroin. Secondly, it's controllable unlike heroin. Thirdly, it reduces the profit for organised crime and therefore results in less crime related deaths. Need I input any more?

 

 

In Health the teacher said a roll the size of a cigarette of marijuana is equal to 13 cigarettes

 

So when I roll my joint which contains cannabis, IE, The drug with NO contents which are the same as tobacco and roll it in a joint with roughly the same amount of tabacco in one cigarette -- I'm smoking the equivilent of 13 cigarettes? That's the single most stupid thing I have ever heard, in my entire life.

How on Earth your teacher made their role is beyond me, for such idiocy. Of course, this is no reflection upon yourself -- just your teacher who on my agenda if I were a dictator, would be shot for such an idiotic remark.

[Saggy]

How on Earth your teacher made their role is beyond me, for such idiocy. Of course, this is no reflection upon yourself -- just your teacher who on my agenda if I were a dictator, would be shot for such an idiotic remark.

 

One "roll" is not anywhere near equal to the tar found in 13 cigarettes. This statistic has been changed from 3, to 4, to 5, now all the way up to 13? Here's the truth: The only viable study ever done on the matter suggests that the leaves of the cannabis plant have up to three times the tar as the leaves of the tobacco plant, which is where people got this notion that one joint is equal to three cigarettes. I don't know how it got blown up to 13, but here's the clincher: Most people don't smoke the leaves of the pot plant, but the flowering buds, and studies on how much tar they have in comparison with cigarettes have not been done as far as I can see. Oh except for NIDA, but if you trust them, you might as well just go back and read the reports that came from the Regan administration.

 

You've got a lot of people to shoot, bro. Maybe you ought to line them up in a row see how many you can do with just one bullet?

[CryptReaperDorian]

How on Earth your teacher made their role is beyond me, for such idiocy. Of course, this is no reflection upon yourself -- just your teacher who on my agenda if I were a dictator, would be shot for such an idiotic remark.

 

One "roll" is not anywhere near equal to the tar found in 13 cigarettes. This statistic has been changed from 3, to 4, to 5, now all the way up to 13? Here's the truth: The only viable study ever done on the matter suggests that the leaves of the cannabis plant have up to three times the tar as the leaves of the tobacco plant, which is where people got this notion that one joint is equal to three cigarettes. I don't know how it got blown up to 13, but here's the clincher: Most people don't smoke the leaves of the pot plant, but the flowering buds, and studies on how much tar they have in comparison with cigarettes have not been done as far as I can see. Oh except for NIDA, but if you trust them, you might as well just go back and read the reports that came from the Regan administration.

 

You've got a lot of people to shoot, bro. Maybe you ought to line them up in a row see how many you can do with just one bullet?

Well really, teachers and the government make marijuana look 50 times worse than they actually are. They don't state that it has magnificent medical uses and they also say that marijuana kills people. The government tells lies and teachers allow themselves to be brainwashed. Teachers saying marijuana is more dangerous than it actually is is like a teacher at a religious school saying if you have sex or masturbate your penis will fall off. Now that is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

 

Also, is it true that medical marijuana doesn't cause a "high"? I didn't here that from the teacher by the way.

[Damien.]

My teacher just said that it "It sticks to your cells, which you probably understand is not good" or something along those lines. I was sitting in the back of the classroom cracking up at how everyone was eating it up and how my teacher could bluntly fool everyone in the classroom in such way without any hesitation. I thought it would be more of a moral dilemma to teach something faulty to ones students, guess not.

 

Wish I'd put the teacher up the wall and ask her to go deeper into the subject, but what is done is done i guess.

[TheGuyFromThere]

How on Earth your teacher made their role is beyond me, for such idiocy. Of course, this is no reflection upon yourself -- just your teacher who on my agenda if I were a dictator, would be shot for such an idiotic remark.

 

One "roll" is not anywhere near equal to the tar found in 13 cigarettes. This statistic has been changed from 3, to 4, to 5, now all the way up to 13? Here's the truth: The only viable study ever done on the matter suggests that the leaves of the cannabis plant have up to three times the tar as the leaves of the tobacco plant, which is where people got this notion that one joint is equal to three cigarettes. I don't know how it got blown up to 13, but here's the clincher: Most people don't smoke the leaves of the pot plant, but the flowering buds, and studies on how much tar they have in comparison with cigarettes have not been done as far as I can see. Oh except for NIDA, but if you trust them, you might as well just go back and read the reports that came from the Regan administration.

 

You've got a lot of people to shoot, bro. Maybe you ought to line them up in a row see how many you can do with just one bullet?

However many bullets it takes, it aught to be more efficient and cheaper than listening to and obeying anti-drugs campaigners who believe that stricter police make for better society.

 

That is, the same people who today, now, for some reason are in shock at the truths of George Orwell's '1984' and believe that police should be less invasive.

 

It's amazing how the middle classes can with their supreme naivety, influence over all.

 

"Don't police us so much -- but police these guys more! NB. Did I mention, we're all equal?"

 

f*cking idiots

[K^2]

Now I definitely need to make a spring break trip to Mexico.

[Mainland Marauder]

And at the end of the day the United States will still be the world's leading consumer of illegal drugs. It's on the Obama administration and this Congress to either keep throwing money at the worthless "drug war" that has done nothing but enrich and empower the cartels, or putting those resources into regulation, taxation, education, prevention and treatment.

[FullMetal]

Although it's rather extreme ... I do think it's the best way to deal with drugs in general (but keep in mind, I actually don't consider Marihuana, as for cigarettes and alcohol, as drugs. Since I and many other people don't have problems with it and can quit without needing to result to special clinics/treatments).

 

Instead of punishing the users for using/carrying it... punish dealers more severely. Also, punish people who do it in public and on completely wrong places. Though it's hard to determine if one uses the drugs in public or at home if he has it with him.

 

Also, legalizing it doesn't mean the goverment thinks it's okay to use and forces/wants people to use drugs. On the contrary. I think, if you want to go in against an overuse of drugs and a MISuse of drugs that you should legalise it all... with STRICT RULES and SEVERE PUNISHMENTS. That's the only way to do it.

 

Although 'Holland' is the paradise for stoners (well, that's what everyone thinks), the laws concerning mariuhana are really strict. Also punishments are quite severe! What effect has it? While France, Belgium and England haven't legalised Mariuhana, their 'youth' smokes more mariuhana than in Holland. Why? It's not because you legalise it that everyone will start smoking weed (or using other types of drugs).

 

Some do it for the thrill because it's illegal. Others do it because they just want to experience it. It's just a matter of how one is raised, how one thinks about these matters...

[TheBumper]

Im dere yo.

[33stradale]

this law makes no sense... drugs are still illegal, but if you go to the dealer more often you'll be a'ight

[trip]

And at the end of the day the United States will still be the world's leading consumer of illegal drugs. It's on the Obama administration and this Congress to either keep throwing money at the worthless "drug war" that has done nothing but enrich and empower the cartels, or putting those resources into regulation, taxation, education, prevention and treatment.

didn't Nixon start 'the war on drugs'? - that is a mighty long time ago, and during my years i have only seen it get worse as far as the type of drugs younger people experiment with. it seems like before the war on drugs people were happy with the basic psychedelics and stimulants.

 

it's too late to turn back now for the US, but it would be nice to see if the changes in Mexico prove that legalization isn't a negative thing so that the US considers doing the same.

[TheGuyFromThere]

And at the end of the day the United States will still be the world's leading consumer of illegal drugs. It's on the Obama administration and this Congress to either keep throwing money at the worthless "drug war" that has done nothing but enrich and empower the cartels, or putting those resources into regulation, taxation, education, prevention and treatment.

didn't Nixon start 'the war on drugs'? - that is a mighty long time ago, and during my years i have only seen it get worse as far as the type of drugs younger people experiment with. it seems like before the war on drugs people were happy with the basic psychedelics and stimulants.

 

it's too late to turn back now for the US, but it would be nice to see if the changes in Mexico prove that legalization isn't a negative thing so that the US considers doing the same.

Henry J Anslinger is the guy responsible for the mess we're in today. First US Drugs Czar, I think 1920s made cannabis illegal and went after anyone having fun at the expense of an external chemical.