Ballad of Gay Tony PS3/PC Possible proof?

[GuruAskew]

Also, here's what I said about "Agent", by the way:

 

 

Also, with "Agent" I think it's within the realm of possibility it could be out on 360 at some point. THAT is the kind of game that pops up on another console 6-12 months down the road because there is no huge headline-worthy deal keeping it on the PS3, just some run-of-the-mill deal not worth reporting.

 

That said, until there's some actual evidence to suggest that that's all I will say on the subject. I'd be interested in playing "Agent" but not to the point where I'll be making a mountain out of a molehill every time I spin some trivial piece of nothingness into "evidence" in my own delusional mind. For the time being it's a PS3 exclusive and even without a $50 million deal that could be a VERY LONG "time being" and I accepted that long ago. I might wait and see of a 360 version surfaces, I might even spring for a PS3 slim if the reviews are good enough, I will NOT post the same old wishful thinking sh*t that flies in the face of things like facts, common sense etc.

[Capricornus]

R* has their money from MS and more, so as I said before, they can do what they want.

 

Again, you show a fundamental lack of understanding.

 

Rockstar has Microsoft's money and in exchange they do what MICROSOFT wants them to do in regards to the content in question. Again, I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Damn, looks like I have wasted my time on a MS fanboy.

 

I don't like to argue with Fanboys, for I have a huge amount of hate for them, so I'll let you have this one. Again, not because you think your right, but because your a fanboy.

[Carnage1120]

 

So i think that this is a fair deal by Microsoft however there still some people from the Playstation 3 area who are not at all satisfied.

 

...and Microsoft's $50 million was more appealing to Rockstar than satisfying "the Playstation 3 area".

 

You know, it really is that simple. Honest.

Exactly and you PS3 guys are now getting Agent exclusive on your console.

 

So deal with it and move on.

Console EXCLUSIVE,

 

PS3 gets their exclusives

360 gets their exclusives

PC gets their exclusives

 

If you want to play them, go buy the console.

 

 

EDIT: Don't ever call anyone an MS fanboy if you are using window's

[XZGamer71]

R* has their money from MS and more, so as I said before, they can do what they want.

 

Again, you show a fundamental lack of understanding.

 

Rockstar has Microsoft's money and in exchange they do what MICROSOFT wants them to do in regards to the content in question. Again, I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Damn, looks like I have wasted my time on a MS fanboy.

 

I don't like to argue with Fanboys, for I have a huge amount of hate for them, so I'll let you have this one. Again, not because you think your right, but because your a fanboy.

YEAH SAME!

 

K i can't be bothered to Argue. I know you Fanboys won't give in till you have the last laugh so i'ma shut up before i end up Provoking someone

[GuruAskew]

R* has their money from MS and more, so as I said before, they can do what they want.

 

Again, you show a fundamental lack of understanding.

 

Rockstar has Microsoft's money and in exchange they do what MICROSOFT wants them to do in regards to the content in question. Again, I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Damn, looks like I have wasted my time on a MS fanboy.

 

I don't like to argue with Fanboys, for I have a huge amount of hate for them, so I'll let you have this one. Again, not because you think your right, but because your a fanboy.

So let me get this straight:

 

you're saying that Microsoft didn't get some sort of iron-clad guarantee that this content would be kept off of PS3 for some substantial period of time in exchange for that huge and unprecedented sum of money?

[Carnage1120]

R* has their money from MS and more, so as I said before, they can do what they want.

 

Again, you show a fundamental lack of understanding.

 

Rockstar has Microsoft's money and in exchange they do what MICROSOFT wants them to do in regards to the content in question. Again, I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Damn, looks like I have wasted my time on a MS fanboy.

 

I don't like to argue with Fanboys, for I have a huge amount of hate for them, so I'll let you have this one. Again, not because you think your right, but because your a fanboy.

YEAH SAME!

 

K i can't be bothered to Argue. I know you Fanboys won't give in till you have the last laugh so i'ma shut up before i end up Provoking someone

Some of the people telling you this don't even own a 360.

[XZGamer71]

R* has their money from MS and more, so as I said before, they can do what they want.

 

Again, you show a fundamental lack of understanding.

 

Rockstar has Microsoft's money and in exchange they do what MICROSOFT wants them to do in regards to the content in question. Again, I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Damn, looks like I have wasted my time on a MS fanboy.

 

I don't like to argue with Fanboys, for I have a huge amount of hate for them, so I'll let you have this one. Again, not because you think your right, but because your a fanboy.

So let me get this straight:

 

you're saying that Microsoft didn't get some sort of iron-clad guarantee that this content would be kept off of PS3 for some substantial period of time in exchange for that huge and unprecedented sum of money?

Give it up Guru, you've made your point don't start again.

[Capricornus]

 

R* has their money from MS and more, so as I said before, they can do what they want.

 

Again, you show a fundamental lack of understanding.

 

Rockstar has Microsoft's money and in exchange they do what MICROSOFT wants them to do in regards to the content in question. Again, I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Damn, looks like I have wasted my time on a MS fanboy.

 

I don't like to argue with Fanboys, for I have a huge amount of hate for them, so I'll let you have this one. Again, not because you think your right, but because your a fanboy.

So let me get this straight:

 

you're saying that Microsoft didn't get some sort of iron-clad guarantee that this content would be kept off of PS3 for some substantial period of time in exchange for that huge and unprecedented sum of money?

No. I am just saying, it could be possible in the future. Hell, it could be 2 years from now. Just possibilities, that's all.

 

I have never said "Oh lolz BOGT is comin to teh PS3z hur durr!" All I am saying is that it could be possible. Didn't rule it out just because there are no present, effect hints toward it

 

Who ever thought Solid Snake would appear in Super Smash Bros Brawl?

 

BTW, just in case you were wondering, I own a PS3, 360 Elite, and a Wii so there's no need to label me as a PS3 fanboy.

[CharmingCharlie]

I think some people in this thread are placing a HELL of a lot of faith in this 50 million deal. I think some people in this thread are behaving as if they were sat at the negotiating table when this deal was struck. The fact is whilst 50 million is a fair chunk of change it isn't ENOUGH to guarantee 100% for all eternity exclusivity of the DLC and that is before you even consider this MAY have been a loan.

 

If you strip away the fanboy glasses that some people in this thread seem to be wearing a more logical analysis tells us that the 50 million at best bought MS a 1 year exclusivity deal. That is 1 year from the release of TLaD. I imagine it will be the same with TBoGT it comes with a years exclusivity on the 360. Now I admit this is just speculation on my part however so is "OMGZ it is sooooo like n4v4r coming to da PC/PS3".

 

There is at least 100 million waiting for Rockstar if they release the DLC on the PC and PS3. Now I have bashed Rockstar in the past but they are not stupid enough to lock out at least 100 million in revenue for 50 million from MS.

 

The Xbox fans need to put a little bit less faith in this deal than they are doing (the same will go for those that use Agent to bash the 360 owners). However time will tell but I have a feeling in these old bones that some people really are going to have egg on their faces.

[CJ_4_LIFE]

 

R* has their money from MS and more, so as I said before, they can do what they want.

 

Again, you show a fundamental lack of understanding.

 

Rockstar has Microsoft's money and in exchange they do what MICROSOFT wants them to do in regards to the content in question. Again, I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Damn, looks like I have wasted my time on a MS fanboy.

 

I don't like to argue with Fanboys, for I have a huge amount of hate for them, so I'll let you have this one. Again, not because you think your right, but because your a fanboy.

finally another adult in the room Well said charlie

Edited September 3, 2009 by CJ_4_LIFE

[GuruAskew]

R* has their money from MS and more, so as I said before, they can do what they want.

 

Again, you show a fundamental lack of understanding.

 

Rockstar has Microsoft's money and in exchange they do what MICROSOFT wants them to do in regards to the content in question. Again, I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Damn, looks like I have wasted my time on a MS fanboy.

 

I don't like to argue with Fanboys, for I have a huge amount of hate for them, so I'll let you have this one. Again, not because you think your right, but because your a fanboy.

So let me get this straight:

 

you're saying that Microsoft didn't get some sort of iron-clad guarantee that this content would be kept off of PS3 for some substantial period of time in exchange for that huge and unprecedented sum of money?

No. I am just saying, it could be possible in the future. Hell, it could be 2 years from now. Just possibilities, that's all.

 

I have never said "Oh lolz BOGT is comin to teh PS3z hur durr!" All I am saying is that it could be possible. Didn't rule it out just because there are no present, effect hints toward it

 

Who ever thought Solid Snake would appear in Super Smash Bros Brawl?

 

BTW, just in case you were wondering, I own a PS3, 360 Elite, and a Wii so there's no need to label me as a PS3 fanboy.

That's hilarious coming from someone who only has the PSN icon on their forum tag.

 

But yeah, it's nice to come breezing back on here trying to summarize what you wrote in a way that completely misrepresents the true nature of what you wrote.

 

Ultimately you have posted to the effect that Rockstar can simply release the content if they want to and that Microsoft's $50 million has no impact in the matter and guess what. You were WRONG, pure and simple.

[GuruAskew]

I think some people in this thread are placing a HELL of a lot of faith in this 50 million deal. I think some people in this thread are behaving as if they were sat at the negotiating table when this deal was struck. The fact is whilst 50 million is a fair chunk of change it isn't ENOUGH to guarantee 100% for all eternity exclusivity of the DLC and that is before you even consider this MAY have been a loan.

 

If you strip away the fanboy glasses that some people in this thread seem to be wearing a more logical analysis tells us that the 50 million at best bought MS a 1 year exclusivity deal. That is 1 year from the release of TLaD. I imagine it will be the same with TBoGT it comes with a years exclusivity on the 360. Now I admit this is just speculation on my part however so is "OMGZ it is sooooo like n4v4r coming to da PC/PS3".

 

There is at least 100 million waiting for Rockstar if they release the DLC on the PC and PS3. Now I have bashed Rockstar in the past but they are not stupid enough to lock out at least 100 million in revenue for 50 million from MS.

 

The Xbox fans need to put a little bit less faith in this deal than they are doing (the same will go for those that use Agent to bash the 360 owners). However time will tell but I have a feeling in these old bones that some people really are going to have egg on their faces.

You accuse me of putting too much faith in this deal and acting like I'm privy to the details but you quote figures like "100 million" and "1 year" with ZERO evidence to back it up.

 

The "100 million" figure can also be instantly be shot down. With a bigger user base the 360 sold 1 million units at $20 a pop. I could be generous and say that 2 DLC episodes are worth $40 million for PS3 (and that's simply not accurate, but the PS3 owners can have it for the sake of argument) and that's still less than $50 million. Hence, it still makes financial sense to NOT release it on PS3.

 

As for your imaginary year-long exclusivity: it used to be 6 months. When the year comes and goes it will be 18 months, then 2 years, and so on and so forth. All the while those of us with the 360 will have the games on our hard drives.

[CharmingCharlie]

GuruAskew firstly double posting isn't allowed on here, if you have more to say and no one has posted then use the EDIT button that is why it exists. I love the way you talk as if you know everything about the deal, the fact is you don't know anything more than anyone else here. I might add you have zero evidence that this 50 million deal is exclusive till the end of time.

 

Now you say the PS3 has a smaller user base, last time I checked GTA 4 on the PS3 sold just as many copies on the PS3 as it did on the 360. I believe the split was pretty much 50/50 with 5 million on the 360 and 5 million on the PS3. Then of course there are the untold number of copies sold on the PC which you seem to have conveniently ignored.

 

So there are just as many GTA gamers on the PS3/PC as there are on the 360. Now sure the exclusivity will impact on sales of the DLC on the PS3 but it could still be a fair chunk of revenue that Rockstar would not be stupid enough to ignore.

 

As for the 6 month exclusivity, I never claimed that. I think it would be ridiculous to claim that 50 million bought just 6 months exclusivity. I mean it is almost as stupid as saying 50 million bought Infinity exclusivity isn't it.

 

I am glad you will have enjoyed the DLC on your hard drive personally I can't wait to make movies using the lost and damned and Ballad of Gay Tony on my PC using the exclusive video editor when the DLC comes.

[Capricornus]

R* has their money from MS and more, so as I said before, they can do what they want.

 

Again, you show a fundamental lack of understanding.

 

Rockstar has Microsoft's money and in exchange they do what MICROSOFT wants them to do in regards to the content in question. Again, I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Damn, looks like I have wasted my time on a MS fanboy.

 

I don't like to argue with Fanboys, for I have a huge amount of hate for them, so I'll let you have this one. Again, not because you think your right, but because your a fanboy.

So let me get this straight:

 

you're saying that Microsoft didn't get some sort of iron-clad guarantee that this content would be kept off of PS3 for some substantial period of time in exchange for that huge and unprecedented sum of money?

No. I am just saying, it could be possible in the future. Hell, it could be 2 years from now. Just possibilities, that's all.

 

I have never said "Oh lolz BOGT is comin to teh PS3z hur durr!" All I am saying is that it could be possible. Didn't rule it out just because there are no present, effect hints toward it

 

Who ever thought Solid Snake would appear in Super Smash Bros Brawl?

 

BTW, just in case you were wondering, I own a PS3, 360 Elite, and a Wii so there's no need to label me as a PS3 fanboy.

That's hilarious coming from someone who only has the PSN icon on their forum tag.

 

But yeah, it's nice to come breezing back on here trying to summarize what you wrote in a way that completely misrepresents the true nature of what you wrote.

 

Ultimately you have posted to the effect that Rockstar can simply release the content if they want to and that Microsoft's $50 million has no impact in the matter and guess what. You were WRONG, pure and simple.

I guess you missed the thread where I stated that I hadn't set up my XBL account yet. Know what the hell is going on before you try and be a smartass.

 

And stop crying. Your on a forum on the internet. Whether you are right or wrong, it doesn't even matter. It won't be conducive to your life outside the internet, if you have one.

 

And another thing, it looks like you take gaming too seriously. Ease up.

[GuruAskew]

 

Now you say the PS3 has a smaller user base, last time I checked GTA 4 on the PS3 sold just as many copies on the PS3 as it did on the 360. I believe the split was pretty much 50/50 with 5 million on the 360 and 5 million on the PS3.

 

So there are just as many GTA gamers on the PS3 as there are on the 360. Now sure the exclusivity will impact on sales of the DLC on the PS3 but it could still be a fair chunk of revenue that Rockstar would not be stupid enough to ignore.

 

Actually by the end of 2008 the 360 version had sold 3.29 million and the PS3 version had sold 1.89 million. That's actually a 64/36 split, or 2:1 for all intents and purposes. That is substantial no matter how you look at it:

 

Source:

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/npd...billion-/?biz=1

 

 

As for the 6 month exclusivity, I never claimed that. I think it would be ridiculous to claim that 50 million bought just 6 months exclusivity. I mean it is almost as stupid as saying 50 million bought Infinity exclusivity isn't it.

 

I don't think it is. These deals don't always lapse. You can make a permanent deal. It's called perpetuity, and again, even if it isn't a perpetuity deal I don't think it's much of a stretch at all to assume that Microsoft got a LONG time in exchange for their HUGE chunk of money.

 

I honestly think each and every PS3 user needs to realize that it's a VERY real possibility that $50 million bought Microsoft enough time to extend the deal throughout the foreseeable life of the current console generation. With the economy the way it is this generation will last longer than past generations but a 10-year deal would still ensure that the PS3 would never see the content.

 

Ultimately I'm in no position to throw 10 years around any more than some denial-ridden PS3 owner can say "6 months" or "1 year" but seriously, we should all agree that the money got Microsoft a deal that lasts a long, long time, a period of time chosen for one specific purpose: to simultaneously frustrate PS3 owners and entice them to the 360 side. That's just plain common sense.

[foohy]

Ultimately I'm in no position to throw 10 years around any more than some denial-ridden PS3 owner can say "6 months" or "1 year" but seriously, we should all agree that the money got Microsoft a deal that lasts a long, long time, a period of time chosen for one specific purpose: to simultaneously frustrate PS3 owners and entice them to the 360 side. That's just plain common sense.

So now 'commen sense' is now synonymous with your opinion? News to me.

 

Can we all stop b*tching please!? No one on these forums knows the terms of the agreement between Microsoft and Rockstar Games. Judging by Rockstar's past handling of the GTA franchise, I'd say it's at least possible that The Lost And Damned and The Ballad of Gay Tony will make their way to PC and Playstation 3 SOMEDAY. However, none of us here know when that dy will be so there's no sense in arguing it.

 

In other words I'm doing this: in the hopes that you all will stop doing this: , this: , and this: . Because, honestly, it's making everyone else do this: , and this: .

 

Edited September 3, 2009 by foohy

[GuruAskew]

So now 'commen sense' is now synonymous with your opinion? News to me.

I actually do like to think that my opinion is often based on common sense.

 

It's that same common sense that led me, as a fan of the GTA series, to buy the console that will deliver more GTA content, and by extension it's that same common sense that has prevented me from over-analyzing trivial bits of worthless information to the point where I convince myself that I'm getting something that isn't in the cards.

[shinsta312]

I thought that this discussion would be dead by now.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Actually by the end of 2008 the 360 version had sold 3.29 million and the PS3 version had sold 1.89 million.  That's actually a 64/36 split, or 2:1 for all intents and purposes.  That is substantial no matter how you look at it:

 

Source:

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/npd...billion-/?biz=1

Well for a starters your figures are well out of date, Take Two have stated they shipped 13 million copies (source) That is for 360/PS3 and PC.

 

Now here it is straight from the horses mouth :-

 

 

Edward Williams - BMO Capital Markets

 

First of all, going back to JT's line of questioning, can you give us an idea as to this 13 million GTA 4 units, how many of those are Xbox 360 platform? So what's the addressable market for the downloadable The Lost and Damned.

 

Lainie Goldstein

 

It's approximately 50/50, Ed.

That is a direct quote from a T2 exec when asked what the sales split was between the PS3/360 (source). So there you go, the PS3 has just as many GTA gamers as the 360 which equates to a huge source of revenue they are going to ignore for 50 million (which may have been a loan).

 

 

I don't think it is.  These deals don't always lapse.  You can make a permanent deal.  It's called perpetuity, and again, even if it isn't a perpetuity deal I don't think it's much of a stretch at all to assume that Microsoft got a LONG time in exchange for their HUGE chunk of time.

That is it, YOU DON'T THINK it is, you have NO proof but you act as if you do. I don't think it is full exclusivity, but again I have no proof. I am saying it makes a hell of a lot more sense that MS got a year exclusivity out of it than they got full exclusivity for a paltry 50 million bucks of one the THE biggest franchises in history. In my books 50 million isn't enough

 

 

I honestly think each and every PS3 user needs to realize that it's a VERY real possibility that $50 million bought Microsoft enough time to extend the deal throughout the foreseeable life of the current console generation.  With the economy the way it is this generation will last longer than past generations but a 10-year deal would still ensure that the PS3 would never see the content.

Again where did you get the 10 year deal from ? where is your proof ? 50 million for a 10 year exclusivity man I hope I meet Rockstar they sound f*cking dumb if they agreed to that and I have some magic beans they could buy. The fact is you should realise there is a VERY real possibility this is a 1 year timed deal. But you are just as bad as PS3 owners and won't accept it. You have no proof this is a 10 year deal any more than the PS3 owners have proof it is a 6 month deal.

 

 

Ultimately I'm in no position to throw 10 years around any more than some denial-ridden PS3 owner can say "6 months" or "1 year" but seriously, we should all agree that the money got Microsoft a deal that lasts a long, long time, a period of time designed with one specific purpose: to simultaneously frustrate and entice PS3 owners to the 360 side.  That's just plain common sense.

We will agree to disagree then we do not know the details surrounding the 50 million, it may have just been a loan. If that was the case then Rockstar are pretty moronic giving up a revenue stream of 5 million customers (plus god knows how many on the PC) for a 50 million loan. As for the deal frustrating PS3 owners erm no not quite, this deal was done to sell consoles. The DLC won't have that effect for ever which is why I don't believe MS has a full exclusivity deal.

[GuruAskew]

 

Well for a starters your figures are well out of date, Take Two have stated they shipped 13 million copies (source) That is for 360/PS3 and PC.

 

Now here it is straight from the horses mouth :-

 

That is a direct quote from a T2 exec when asked what the sales split was between the PS3/360 (source). So there you go, the PS3 has just as many GTA gamers as the 360 which equates to a huge source of revenue they are going to ignore totally for 50 million (which may have been a loan).

 

Yeah, straight from the mouth of a horse who has nothing to do with Rockstar.

 

BMO Capital Marketing is a firm for industry analysts.

 

My figures came from an industry analyst too. For the most part they're worthless but I'll obviously trust the one who has figures rather than generalities, especially general figures as arbitrary as "50/50". Nothing is ever 50/50.

 

So yeah, not even close to "a T2 exec". Edit: I misread it, it was the analyst interviewing Goldstein. Still, you'd have to be very naive to believe him after reading the transcript as he just spouts of the "50/50" figure over and over again when every bit of industry data conflicts with that.

 

 

That is the think YOU DON'T THINK it is, you have NO proof but you act as if you do. I don't think it is full exclusivity, but again I have no proof. I am saying it makes a hell of a lot more sense that MS got a year exclusivity out of it than they got full exclusivity for a paltry 50 million bucks of one the THE biggest franchises in history. In my books 50 million isn't enough

 

The proof is in the pudding. I've had "TLaD" for months and I'll have "TBoGT" in weeks. PS3 and PC owners don't have a shred of evidence that this content is anywhere on the horizon. The whole thing is self-evident.

 

 

We will agree to disagree then we do not know the details surrounding the 50 million, it may have just been a loan. If that was the case then Rockstar are pretty moronic giving up a revenue stream of 5 million customers for a 50 million loan. As for the deal frustrating PS3 owners erm no not quite, this deal was done to sell consoles. The DLC won't have that effect for ever which is why I don't believe MS has a full exclusivity deal.

 

The ONLY person who ever even suggested it was a loan was Michael Pachter. I urge you to Google him because that guy is single-handedly the reason why "industry analysts" are such a laughing stock among gamers. He's practically a poster-boy for hilariously inaccurate predictions. When you have someone like Pachter saying it's a loan that's when you know it's NOT a loan.

Edited September 3, 2009 by GuruAskew

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Well for a starters your figures are well out of date, Take Two have stated they shipped 13 million copies (source) That is for 360/PS3 and PC.

 

Now here it is straight from the horses mouth :-

 

That is a direct quote from a T2 exec when asked what the sales split was between the PS3/360 (source). So there you go, the PS3 has just as many GTA gamers as the 360 which equates to a huge source of revenue they are going to ignore totally for 50 million (which may have been a loan).

 

Yeah, straight from the mouth of a horse who has nothing to do with Rockstar.

 

BMO Capital Marketing is a firm for industry analysts.

 

My figures came from an industry analyst too. For the most part they're worthless but I'll obviously trust the one who has figures rather than generalities, especially general figures as arbitrary as "50/50". Nothing is ever 50/50.

 

So yeah, not even close to "a T2 exec".

Ok I see you re-read what I said, yet you still accuse the Chief Financial Officer of lying. Naturally it won't be an exact 50/50 split but I would wager that the difference was miniscule that it wasn't worth saying well the 360 sold 50.25% and the PS3 sold 49.75%. These are figures from T2 not industrial analysts.

 

 

The proof is in the pudding.  I've had "TLaD" for months and I'll have "TBoGT" in weeks.  PS3 and PC owners don't have a shred of evidence that this content is anywhere on the horizon.  The whole thing is self-evident.

What does it prove ? it proves that currently the DLC is exclusive to the Xbox that is all. Does it prove that the DLC is not timed exclusive ? No it doesn't it just serves to inflate your ego a little bit. Just cos you have the DLC NOW does not mean that the PC/PS3 owners won't have it later.

 

 

The ONLY person who ever even suggested it was a loan was Michael Pachter.  I urge you to Google him because that guy is single-handedly the reason why "industry analysts" are such a laughing stock among gamers.  He's practically a poster-boy for hilariously inaccurate predictions.  When you have someone like Pachter saying it's a loan that's when you know it's NOT a loan.

That is why I keep saying "may" no one knows the details of this deal and you sure as hell don't since you don't even bother to check the facts and links I have put up for you. You only go on what you think is happening. I have shown that GTA 4 shipped 13 million, the split is 50/50 this is directly from T2 execs but you ignore it. The fact is you know NOTHING and you are just speculating as everyone is.

[dre120v]

Jesus,they need to make a movie or write a book about this Xbox 360/PS3 war over GTA IV. This will never end until we have a whiskey or beer summit. Agree to disagree.

Edited September 3, 2009 by dre120v

[GuruAskew]

 

Ok now you are just being dense for some reason facedesk.gif facedesk.gif The BMO Capital Marking ASKED THE QUESTION, a Take Two Chief Financial Officer by the name of Lainie Goldstein replied with :-

QUOTE

It's approximately 50/50

 

So you are now accusing the Chief Financial Officer of Take Two of lying are you ? If you had looked at the link I posted you would clearly have seen it is Take Two saying they sold 13 million and it is Take Two that is saying the split is 50/50. But hey I know you don't let facts get in the way of your argument do you. Just totally ignore the fact I posted what Take Two Execs said.

 

I actually noticed this and pointed it out myself long before your post.

 

In any case, you'd be hard-pressed to defend something like "approximately 50/50" versus actual figures from a non-biased marketing firm that literally supplies all the sales figures you read about for the gaming industry. While you were off writing your post I was researching too and the NPD group (the source of the figures *I* posted) is actually a lot more credible than I even gave them credit for.

 

Ultimately the "approximately 50/50" is a number tossed off the top of a single human being's head and my figures come from actual market research.

 

Overall the 50/50 figure flies in the face of every other credible figure, and let's face it, once the genie is out of the bottle the "powers that be" absolutely cease to be the be-all-and-end-all when it comes to credible information.

[CharmingCharlie]

What credible data ? the info you posted that is a year old and had GTA 4 selling only 5 million units between the two. That is "credible" data is it, let's just ignore an entire year shall we. Isn't it funny when you post a source it is credible. I never questioned your source I merely pointed out it was old. Yet when I show you statements from the CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER of Take Two it's "well that isn't credible". You may want to contact the authorities in the US then because I think they would be very interested in a CFO lying like that.

[GuruAskew]

 

What credible data ? the info you posted that is a year old and had GTA 4 selling only 5 million units between the two. That is "credible" data is it, let's just ignore an entire year shall we. Isn't it funny when you post a source it is credible. I never questioned your source I merely pointed out it was old. Yet when I show you statements from the CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER of Take Two it's "well that isn't credible". You may want to contact the authorities in the US then because I think they would be very interested in a CFO lying like that.

 

The verdict was already out on GTA IV sales by the time Christmas came around and any sales that happened after my year-of-'08 figures is negligible.

 

If the NPD group says that there was a 2:1 sales difference during a 7-month span in which the absolutely-overwhelming majority of GTA sales would have taken place then I find the 50/50 split absolutely impossible to believe.

 

The only way it would even begin to make sense would be if there was something within the first few months of '09 that would account for a huge spike in PS3 sales and that even simply doesn't exist. If anything the availability of DLC on the 360 would have caused a bit of a spike in sales of the 360 copies, further widening the sales gap.

 

Finally, I'd like to quote the VERY FIRST comment made by the T2 reps during that call in which the 50/50 quote was made:

 

 

Before we begin, I'd first like to quickly review our safe harbor statement by reminding everyone that the statements made during this call that are not historical facts are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. These forward-looking statements are based on the beliefs of our management as well as assumptions made by and information currently available to us. We have no obligation to update these forward-looking statements.

 

Actual operating results may vary significantly from these forward-looking statements based on a variety of factorss

 

which basically absolutes Take2 of the responsibility to provide hard data and/or correct it if inaccurate.

 

Ultimately "straight from the horses mouth" isn't always the best and most accurate source of information.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

The verdict was already out on GTA IV sales by the time Christmas came around and any sales that happened after my year-of-'08 figures is negligible.

 

If the NPD group says that there was a 2:1 sales difference during a 7-month span in which the absolutely-overwhelming majority of GTA sales would have taken place then I find the 50/50 split absolutely impossible to believe.

 

The only way it would even begin to make sense would be if there was something within the first few months of '09 that would account for a huge spike in PS3 sales and that even simply doesn't exist.  If anything the availability of DLC on the 360 would have caused a bit of a spike in sales of the 360 copies, further widening the sales gap.

So basically you are saying the CFO is lying then. Tell me what market does the NPD monitor ? ...... ohhhh yes it's the American market isn't it. Now correct me if I am wrong but America isn't the PLANET is it. There are other markets such as Europe and Asia which the NPD does not monitor. So you are saying the NPD figures which only monitor America are correct yet Take Two's figures (who publish the game) are incorrect then ? Why are the NPD numbers more credible since it only monitors America ? I believe in Europe the PS3 is ahead by a long shot yet NPD doesn't monitor European or Asian sales.

 

By relying on just the NPD sales you are creating a fatal flaw in your argument. It would be like me saying "oh the media create sales in Japan show GTA 4 sold more on the PS3 so the PS3 must be the winner for the whole planet". The fact is the info from Take Two is a hell of a lot more credible than the info from NPD which is AMERICA ONLY. But I have no doubt you will continue to deny that because it doesn't fit in with your little world.

 

As for the safe harbour statement at the beginning, that does not give the CFO licence to lie you know. What they say has to be credible and have truth to it. If the CFO says they sold 13 million then they better have sold damn close to that figure to make that statement. They can't say "we sold 13 million" and then it turns out they sold 5 million. If a CFO says the split was roughly 50/50 again they better be telling the truth and the figure is near enough that.

 

The fact is you won't accept you are wrong, you are wrong about the sales, you are wrong about the split, you are wrong to rely on the NPD figures which deal with America ONLY. So just to throw this out, isn't it possible you may just be ever so slightly wrong that this deal isn't forever and it may only be timed ?. Either way I don't think we have much longer to wait. just curious what your sig will be then

[Schweppez]

Yall seriously need to stop speculating and just get a 360. PS3 fanboys, chillax.

 

 

Edited September 3, 2009 by Schweppez

[foohy]

 

Yall seriously need to stop speculating and just get a 360.  PS3 fanboys, chillax.

No! Be quiet! Watching mods argue is really entertaining! That NPD point by Charlie was pure GOLD!

Edited September 3, 2009 by foohy

[Schweppez]

Yall seriously need to stop speculating and just get a 360.  PS3 fanboys, chillax.

No! Be quiet! Watching mods argue is really entertaining! I love a good debate.

LMAO! wow. I was going to post a funny youtube vid, but it didnt work?? How do i embed a video on a forum? i copied and pasted the embed code but the video doesnt come up with i posted so i edited my post and deleted it...

 

[foohy]

 

Yall seriously need to stop speculating and just get a 360.  PS3 fanboys, chillax.

No! Be quiet! Watching mods argue is really entertaining! I love a good debate.

LMAO! wow. I was going to post a funny youtube vid, but it didnt work?? How do i embed a video on a forum? i copied and pasted the embed code but the video doesnt come up with i posted so i edited my post and deleted it...

 

You gotta use BBcode. Like this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--->yioJQFrqMXM<----yioJQFrqMXM 

 

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