simonp92 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 I really dont know if the dlcs will ever hit the PS3 and PC, but i really hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruAskew Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Did you ever see me complaining about having to "share" the basic game with PS3 and PC owners? No. I have no problem with anyone else playing the game, whether it's on a 360, a PS3 or a PC. What I have a problem with is the years and years of annoying and delusional posts made with nothing to back them up. No unbiased person would ever look at this situation and arrive at the conclusion that this content will be available elsewhere and I have respect for the PS3 and PC owners who understand and accept the reality of the situation. Fact is, if you're posting in this thread about timed exclusives and stating that you believe the content will be on the PS3 within a year of the 360 release you're just making stuff up. You may really hope it's true and you may have even convinced yourself that it's true but the people posting that should at least admit that there's nothing whatsoever to back it up. AAAAAnd....there's nothing whatsoever to back your statements up either. I have both consoles so if I wanna play the DLC's then I can so I ain't being delusional in any way, i'm just doing what you and everybody else on here is doing..........SPECULATING. Um, no, there are things like official statements from Microsoft and Rockstar, official website, press releases, etc. If you're coming from the side saying PS3 will see this content you're fighting an uphill battle. Again, it's not as if both theories are even. Also, for the new guy who wanted to know if Rockstar ever said the content was exclusive, here is the first of many official statements confirming exclusivity: Original press release. That was from May 9, 2006. 6 months and 2 days before the launch of the PS3. Again, if you bought a PS3 expecting access to this content that's your own mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonp92 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Thanks lets see who is right in six months time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djfarooq Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 I don't feel bad for PS3 owners. This exclusive deal was well-known before the PS3 was even available so if you bought the PS3 expecting to ever get this content that's your own problem. People say "all I want is for everyone to be able to play this content" and guess what? There isn't a soul on the planet who can't play it. It's available to everyone. There's no bias or "fanboyism" or anything behind that, just the truth, and the truth is: the PS3 isn't the console for you if you're a GTA fan any more than the 360 is the console for you if you're a God of War fan. I'm not saying the people who own the PS3 aren't fans and I'm not saying that 360 owners are the only fans, I'm just stating a cold, hard fact: that the people behind Grand Theft Auto accepted a large sum of money to make the Xbox 360 the only console that gets these episodes. Don't like it? You're well within your rights to disapprove of the situation, you're just not doing yourself or anyone else any favors by crafting lies based on nothing more than your pure desire to get this content. This deal is literally nearing its 4th birthday and so far there isn't so much as a tiny shred of credible evidence that suggests that this exclusive deal will ever change, and it's not an even thing. Every official source confirms the exclusivity and as such the burden of proof lies upon the shoulders of the people who believe the opposite. The whole thing reminds me of the world of conspiracy theories. No matter how overwhelming the evidence is that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing JFK or no matter how clear-cut the cause of the 9/11 tragedy are to most people there is always some vocal fringe element of people who think that their cobbled-together theories based on misinformation and rumor trump cold, hard facts. Ultimately when Microsoft shoots down one of these rumors with a clear, plain statement like "These episodes are exclusive to Xbox 360" and some biased nobody posts "BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY FOREVER!" it just makes the whole PS3 community look ridiculous and desperate. Dude your such a fanboy its unreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruAskew Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Thanks lets see who is right in six months time.. You're welcome lets see who is changing six months to a year in six months time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PretendWereDead Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 I'm never going to let Rockstar or Microsoft force me to buy a (inferior console like the) Xbox just to play 2 DLC's, I prefer the PS3 and PC for several reasons. Although I'm still convinced the DLC will be available for the PS3 and PC early next year, I really don't care any more if it will be released or not. It would be really nice if all these Xbox fanboys stopped spamming this topic and leave it for the true GTA fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suction Testicle Man Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 This deal is literally nearing its 4th birthday So... why are you still here? Do you take pleasure in winding up fans that own the wrong platform and hope to play the episodes in the future? Or are you their messiah, come forth to preach to every GTA fan without an Xbox and with a shred of interest in any GTA4 episode that they will never enjoy this content? It doesn't take much to see that you're playing devil's advocate; because anyone relentlessly denying and ridiculing all speculation, interest and/or enthusiasm in the way you do - just because it doesn't align with their own theories - needs to take a long break away from the computer. The underlying theme of almost all your posts in this topic is a negative one - you're raining on a parade that doesn't need to be rained on - and the unexplored reasons for your crusade glare far brighter than any opinion you may have on episodic content for a videogame. This is why you will lose / have lost credibility in arguments that you may otherwise have won an upper-hand in. Until whatever Rockstar decide to do has happened; your arguments beyond the little information we have will remain as speculative as those of any other user, and will contain as little confirmed information as they did years ago. They only differ to the average contribution in that they're much longer (repetition plays a strong part here), contain a greater collection of theories (NB: quantity is not a catalyst for accuracy), and their author is unwilling to accommodate any margin of error. That last attribute, coupled with the fact that what little information we have is highly ambiguous, means you might as well pencil 'idiot' across your forehead. If at first you don't succeed, you fail, and the test will be terminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder 556 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) the PS3 isn't the console for you if you're a GTA fan Hmm. This may sound weird but this sounds like your saying your only a true GTA fan if you have the 360 version. Now I may be mistaken but didn't charlie say he was gonna ban anyone who said this? I think he did. Um, no, there are things like official statements from Microsoft and Rockstar, official website, press releases, etc. If you're coming from the side saying PS3 will see this content you're fighting an uphill battle. Again, it's not as if both theories are even. Also, for the new guy who wanted to know if Rockstar ever said the content was exclusive, here is the first of many official statements confirming exclusivity: Original press release. That was from May 9, 2006. 6 months and 2 days before the launch of the PS3. Again, if you bought a PS3 expecting access to this content that's your own mistake. Xbox 360 is the most powerful video game and entertainment system, Taken directly from that article. Now we all know the PS3 is leagues ahead. People lie. Companies lie. It's part of human nature. Remember when GTA III, VC and SA were PS2 exclusives? What happened six months later?(VC and SA at least. III came some time later) They went to the Xbox. What happened when FFXIII was PS3 exclusive? It became a multiplat game. what so if we PS3 and PC users gets the DLCs? will you get pissed?? Yes. He will. Everyone around here knows GuruAskew as "The Biggest 360 Fanboy EVER" Maybe a mod should make that his user title. You're welcome lets see who is changing six months to a year in six months time.. I'll be changing 6 months to 3 months. Wait 2 months. When are the SVGA's? December? Ya 2 months. If not there then at GDC in February. You will see buddy. So why don't you just take a nice long vacation away from GTAF? It was nice for the few weeks in September when you were gone. The only person actually starting sh*t like this was Philip043 or something. But then CC totally just f*cked him and made him shut up. Ultimately when Microsoft shoots down one of these rumors with a clear, plain statement like "These episodes are exclusive to Xbox 360" and some biased nobody posts "BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY FOREVER!" it just makes the whole PS3 community look ridiculous and desperate. Oh my. Oh my. Oh my. Let's analyze a few facts shall we?(Not made up but actual factual facts) 1. The deal was for two exclusive content packs. 2. The deal said "Exclusive" but they never specified if it was exclusive for life or just timed. 3. The deal was made when M$ were riding on the success of XP. If they had seen how big a flop Vista was then you can bet your sorry ass this deal would of never been made. 4. There are more and more people jumping on the bandwagon that the 50 million wasn't a deal but a loan. And do you know what a loan is? Probably not. It's when someone lends another individual a set amount of money and after a period expect that amount of money to be re-paid in full. If the sale records are true R* barley made 10 million on TLaD. How can you expect TBoGT to do any better? Also if R* don't fill their quota then M$ will make them pay, by legal contract, 50 million dollars from their own pockets. And I don't think R* would like that. 5. The deal was for Two downloadable content packs. And since we don't know exactly what the contract states we can only guess it means exclusive downloadable titles. Like I said about more people jumping on the bandwagon for it being a loan more and more people are jumping on this bandwagon to, that is was just a contract for exclusive download-ability and that it being sold on disk was never mentioned in the contract. knowing M$'s stupidity(I'll use vista as an example) it probably wasn't. Edited October 16, 2009 by ioN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruAskew Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) Taken directly from that article. Now we all know the PS3 is leagues ahead. People lie. Companies lie. It's funny, the PS3 SHOULD be better based on the specs but practically every cross-platform title looks better on the 360 because the PS3 has a few crucial deficiencies/weak links that essentially bottleneck the elements that SHOULD be delivering superior performance. The PS3's reputation as being notoriously difficult for developers to work with doesn't help matters any either. But hey, if you want to believe that the PS3 is superior in reality try telling that to someone who owns "Resident Evil 5", "Ghostbusters" (which STILL looks noticeably worse on PS3 even after the patch!) and that recent Sega game where they had to come out and admit that they were behind the PS3 version when a bunch of Sony fanboys tried blaming the inferior graphics on a bad 3rd-party port job. And again, all the seemingly-impressive specs in the world aren't going to help you play one of the many must-have killer apps on 360. I think you could make the case that the #1 reason behind PS3's poor sales are the lack of the kind of exclusive "event" title that Microsoft seems to pull out every year. I'll be changing 6 months to 3 months. Wait 2 months. When are the SVGA's? December? Ya 2 months. I think it's absolutely hilarious that you think a PS3 port of a game 360 owners have had for months would get any coverage on a televised awards show. Edited October 16, 2009 by GuruAskew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder 556 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) Taken directly from that article. Now we all know the PS3 is leagues ahead. People lie. Companies lie. It's funny, the PS3 SHOULD be better based on the specs but practically every cross-platform title looks better on the 360 because the PS3 has a few crucial deficiencies/weak links that essentially bottleneck the elements that SHOULD be delivering superior performance. The PS3's reputation as being notoriously difficult for developers to work with doesn't help matters any either. But hey, if you want to believe that the PS3 is superior in reality try telling that to someone who owns "Resident Evil 5", "Ghostbusters" (which STILL looks noticeably worse on PS3 even after the patch!) and that recent Sega game where they had to come out and admit that they were behind the PS3 version when a bunch of Sony fanboys tried blaming the inferior graphics on a bad 3rd-party port job. And again, all the seemingly-impressive specs in the world aren't going to help you play one of the many must-have killer apps on 360. I think you could make the case that the #1 reason behind PS3's poor sales are the lack of the kind of exclusive "event" title that Microsoft seems to pull out every year. That's because developers are just lazy. Look at ND and Uncharted 2. That can not be done on the 360 because the 360 only has 2 processors well the PS3 has 8. ND even said so themselves that the only console you can see uncharted 2 graphics is the PS3. And don't doubt ND. They are the best developers ever. If you gave them enough time with the 360 they could possibly get Uncharted 1 running on the 360(not likely but it may be possible. They're just that good) Must have killer aps? You mean halo and gears? Mind naming some other ones that are actually interesting? Poor sales? Have you not been keeping up? All over the world the Ps3 has been in first place(console sales. The DSi is still selling 50,000 a week) for the past month and 2 weeks. You wanna know how I know? Well in September the PS3 sold 1.5 million consoles(in one month) while the Wii and 360(combined, remember that, combined sales) only reached around 1.2 million sales. It just goes to show you the PS3 will end up like the PS2 this holiday season. The PS3 has found it's wings and is ready to take off. Just watch. Also if M$ wins the console wars the game industry will fail. Same with Nintendo. Both companies think staying with the now is the right thing to do. But Sony took a risk. And look at how well they've been doing. Going by sales the PS3 has been outselling the 360 every month before the price drop of the 360. Then the 360 got a sh*t load of sales then it went back to both consoles being neck and neck. Then the PS3 price drop. If you want to go by technical sales take it like this. If the PS3 and 360 were released at the same time for 300$ each which would be in first place? The PS3 obviously. Sony have just picked up that PS2 vibe and are ready to dominate the console market. It has been a bumpy 2 years but Sony are finally back on top. Oh and exclusive event title M$ pulls out each year? WTF are you talking about? R* have a new IP exclusively for the PS3 coming out in 2010, along with another un-announced title, still exclusive for the PS3 that is. And not to mention all the awesome exclusives coming out from now to 2010. Sony started 2009 with KZ2(Best FPS ever) and are ending with UC2 in NA an EU and FFXIII(Exclusively) In JP. And starting 2010 with MAG and GoW3 and Ending with Agent and maybe a new resistance game(since Resistance 3 has been pre maturely announced anyway.) I think it's absolutely hilarious that you think a PS3 port of a game 360 owners have had for months would get any coverage on a televised awards show. Why? Last year the SVGA's had some of the biggest announcements of 2009. Most specifically the UC2 trailer and TLaD trailer. Edited October 16, 2009 by ioN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruAskew Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) Why? Last year the SVGA's had some of the biggest announcements of 2009. Most specifically the UC2 trailer and TLaD trailer. Because that's not wouldn't be a big announcement if it did happen because, again, it's something that 360 owners have had for months. Can you imagine how hilarious it would be to have an ad that essentially said "hey, check out this game 360 owners already have... you probably already watched your friend play it at his house but here's a trailer! Coming from Sony... several months after the competition already delivered it"? You need to realize that you think it's a big deal because you're posting here but for most people a PS3 port coming a year+ later would be unremarkable at best and embarrassing at worst. Also, PS3 is selling more these past few weeks because they dropped the price. Any time you have a price drop you're going to sell consoles to a bunch of people who wouldn't buy it at the higher price. It's just plain common sense and that same common sense tells you those sales will level off because there are people now who won't buy a PS3 for $300 either, and I guarantee you the sales will die down a long time before Sony drops the price again. Edited October 16, 2009 by GuruAskew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Children can we can the little fanboy cries, I've seen so much propaganda the past two pages I'm starting to think the Nazi Media are back disguised as games consoles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insom Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I just got a PS3 cause of the current library and future games like Agent. Maybe PS3 only owners should do the same with 360. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder 556 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) Why? Last year the SVGA's had some of the biggest announcements of 2009. Most specifically the UC2 trailer and TLaD trailer. Because that's not wouldn't be a big announcement if it did happen because, again, it's something that 360 owners have had for months. Can you imagine how hilarious it would be to have an ad that essentially said "hey, check out this game 360 owners already have... you probably already watched your friend play it at his house but here's a trailer! Coming from Sony... several months after the competition already delivered it"? You need to realize that you think it's a big deal because you're posting here but for most people a PS3 port coming a year+ later would be unremarkable at best and embarrassing at worst. Also, PS3 is selling more these past few weeks because they dropped the price. Any time you have a price drop you're going to sell consoles to a bunch of people who wouldn't buy it at the higher price. It's just plain common sense and that same common sense tells you those sales will level off because there are people now who won't buy a PS3 for $300 either, and I guarantee you the sales will die down a long time before Sony drops the price again. R* have done it before dumbass. It's called advertising. Look at any game released on a system at a latter date then the first release. It get's a whole new media campaign and a few new trailers. Trust me. The PS3 has outsold the wii, yes the f*cking wii, last week so I don't think it's sales will drop anytime. Also there is a point where it's to low it just makes you seem desperate. Imagine if the PS3 continued to sell 1.5 million consoles every month(Probably will) what will M$ do? Drop the xbox elite another 100$? What will that do other then make the consumers think M$ are desperate? Nothing because the first 100$ price drop around when the PS3 got it's price drop did absolutely nothing, yes nothing, to help it's sales. The PS3 is what shined. Edited October 16, 2009 by ioN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton79 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I just got a PS3 cause of the current library and future games like Agent. Maybe PS3 only owners should do the same with 360. Pretty much what i've done,though i suspect some of the posters are young and mummy and daddy will only splash out on one console or have a bizzare and some would say warped devotion to multi billion corporations. I now have all three consoles,as the PS3 slim was a good deal,this is the future gents buying exclusive content is going to become or you could say it already has, the way business is done,these companies want to attract you to their console and are prepared to pay the big bucks for the content that brings you over. This was a masterstroke by MS,getting hold of this content,has really lifted the experience of GTA:IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBruceter Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Its nice to see some figures getting tossed about. The fact PS3 has now outsold that stupid Wii thingy, is just showing whats gonna happen in the future. I read elsewhere about sales figures aswell and it did say that eventually PS3 would outsell the 360. That to me is just friggin amazing. The 360 had been out a year or 2 before the PS3 and in possibly a years time there will be more PS3's than 360's About what the 2 guys above me are talking about.. i would never go out and buy a 360. One, i'm a college student (working 2 jobs and still can't make ends meet) and Two, I just don't like it.. Why buy something you don't like? My mates have been hassling my to get a 360, do i hassle them? no. And i know what console is better Guru, are you a 360 representative?!?!?!? Cause i'v just got a feeling someone is gonna be eating their keyboard in 6 months - a years time (if not i don't care. You DO NOT have to buy a certain console to be a GTA fan.. lol Look at the people that DIDN'T BUY A PS2 but still eventually played GTA on the xbox..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agincourtsalute Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I think the question people need to ask is why haven't R* said this DLC will never come for PS3 and/or PC, after all they must surely be aware of the speculation and for them to come out and crush all speculation with one statement should be no problem what so ever . Could it be that R* are pro xbox and enjoys p*ssing off other platform users, or could it be that the deal with M$ prevents R* from breathing a word of DLC coming to other platforms until a time limit expires? Because M$ wanted this deal to sell more 360s then it would make sense for them to gag R* for a certain period of time. Because if it was announced that the DLC would eventually come to other platforms then some people who bought a 360 for the DLC might not have done so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookPassBabtridge Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 "could it be that the deal with M$ prevents R* from breathing a word of DLC coming to other platforms ..." ^That will be the main reason, a confidential agreement, if its timed or not. Also, it could be that R* and MS feel that having the "only on 360" label on the box art is enough of a statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agincourtsalute Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 "could it be that the deal with M$ prevents R* from breathing a word of DLC coming to other platforms ..." ^That will be the main reason, a confidential agreement, if its timed or not. Also, it could be that R* and MS feel that having the "only on 360" label on the box art is enough of a statement. If the deal was forever M$ wouldn't care if R* told the world about it and the M$ only means nothing and you must surely know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Could it be that R* are pro xbox and enjoys p*ssing off other platform users, or could it be that the deal with M$ prevents R* from breathing a word of DLC coming to other platforms until a time limit expires? See, now you're just being stupid about it. If R* are pro-XBOX, they wouldn't have plans to release their other games to the PS3. They probably wouldn't have made Agent a PS3 exclusive (and even now we're unsure on whatever or not that will be exclusive forever.) A time limit is still in question to this "exclusive" contract, but if it doesn't come out by next year, than it's likely not gonna come out at all. And even if it did come out 2-3 years later to the PS3/PC, most people would probably be done playing with IV by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agincourtsalute Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I wasn't saying R* are pro xbox you misunderstood what I said maybe you need to have another read through my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookPassBabtridge Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 "could it be that the deal with M$ prevents R* from breathing a word of DLC coming to other platforms ..." ^That will be the main reason, a confidential agreement, if its timed or not. Also, it could be that R* and MS feel that having the "only on 360" label on the box art is enough of a statement. If the deal was forever M$ wouldn't care if R* told the world about it and the M$ only means nothing and you must surely know it. By the same logic then, Microsoft wouldnt bother with the Xbox only labels either. Big money deals like this are sensitive, whatever the product or company, and no info is shared, under legal agreement. So if its exclusive forever, the only way to find out is to wait. Same as if it isnt forever. Also, R* arent pro to any platform, just money and profit. Ms jumped in first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I wasn't saying R* are pro xbox you misunderstood what I said maybe you need to have another read through my post. Of course not. You said "could it be that R* are pro-XBOX?" and I responded by simply stating IF they were pro-XBOX, they wouldn't have plans on releasing a PS3 exclusive game. Maybe you should read my post more thoroughly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agincourtsalute Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Yes we all have to wait to find out, but my point was why do we need to if this is a forever xbox exclusive any speculation could have been killed off in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookPassBabtridge Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 ^Exactly! But my point on this, is for most games buyers, "exclusive" "only on 360" plastered everywhere should be ample to put the argument to bed. It seems the more hardcore gamers will still question every avenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBruceter Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Back in the III area, they were at first classed as 'exclusive to the PS2.' We'll all just have to wait and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agincourtsalute Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 You should stop banging on about that xbox 360 only label nonsense that was proven to be meaningless pages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookPassBabtridge Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Its not nonsense, its the reality. So is this 40 page thread. Comparing 50million for two DLCs to every other full game people can think of is pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgrogfefji82 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Can some mod please lock this. Why is this thread still alive, it's already been confirmed that it's exclusive to 360 several times and there's another small thing that you all might've heard of MS paid 50 million dollars for it, I doubt they'd pay that for timed exclusive content, no f*cking chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjoii Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Can some mod please lock this. Why is this thread still alive, it's already been confirmed that it's exclusive to 360 several times and there's another small thing that you all might've heard of MS paid 50 million dollars for it, I doubt they'd pay that for timed exclusive content, no f*cking chance CharmingCharlie has already explained why it's not locked; http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1059517970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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