Ballad of Gay Tony PS3/PC Possible proof?

[skateordie985]

Now Charlie I'm not disagreeing with you but that's not entirely true. Now your the smart one here when it comes to technology so you should know the PS3 is leagues ahead of the 360. For those of you that aren't just look at Uncharted Drakes Fortune(yes the first one, not UC2). It out matches Gears of War 2 in every way(there's even a comparison website. I'll do a bit of searching). But ya R* did say Agent is a game they want to do which is only possible on the PS3. So if they do decide to make a 360 version it will be graphically inferior and will no doubt come on more then one disk.

ioN Rockstar say a lot of things that are complete bullsh*t. I am not going to get into a debate about which is the most powerful console both have their advantages and disadvantages. A company saying "this game cannot be done on console A" is spouting a load of bollocks. It is entirely feasible that any xbox game can be done on the PS3 and any PS3 game can be done on the 360. It doesn't mean they will both look the same of course but the game will essentially be the same.

 

I suppose them saying "it is game which is only possible on the PS3" means my PC couldn't possible do it either then ? It is just "propoganda" they want to "big it up". You will see Agent on the 360 roughly a year after the PS3 version. It may not be exactly the same as the PS3 version, but you will see it.

THE CHARLIE SPEAKS THE TRUTH

[Ash_735]

I hope Rockstar do bring the DLC out for the PC/PS3, recentl;y finished GTA IV on PS3 so I've finished it on all available platforms now, perhaps a GTA IV Ultimate Pack? GTA IV on PC already comes on 2 DVD's so adding a third won't change anything, just another disc to install to get the Episodes, as for PS3, this is where Blu-ray could come in handy, all three could be done on one disc and the TV Stations could be uncompressed because on TLAD the new TV content was compressed to f*ck, I'm talking pixelation compressed here cause it had to fit in the 2GB limit.

[macorules94]

If DLC comes to PS3, Agent will go to 360. If DLC stays Exclusive, so will Agent.

 

says Piperka

[CookPassBabtridge]

"Yet something Microsoft apparently "paid" for is never going to go onto the PS3 if sales aren't good enough ?"

 

^ Because MS have paid way over and above the development costs of these episodes. We are talking around 10 times over. The lions share of that money is for the rights to the episodes

 

People are comparing DLC to full games here, and forgetting that the true production cost of the DLCs is a fraction of something like Agent, which is a ground-up development. The whole point of the DLC deal is for MS to get one over on Sony, to sell systems (in theory) and make the 360 look the GTA fan's choice of machine.

Edited October 12, 2009 by CookPassBabtridge

[EnchantedX360]

 

I am not saying I disagree with you here, but I am curious about the thought process you are using.

 

As are many others for many other different things I say/have said.

 

First allow me to say I respect your stance, truly you sound like you do your best to remain level headed and that deserves respect, it may not mean much (me saying this) but I respect your approach, regardless if we agree or not.

Not sucking up to mod kind of thing either.

 

 

Your first paragrah clearly shows that you don't believe the DLC will come to the PS3 (which is fair enough).  Yet you go on to say that Agent could come to the 360 if sales on the PS3 are not great !

 

I believe MS have secured an exclusive in the DLC as Sony has with the previous "episode" based GTA games that appear on the PSP/PS2 today. That means I believe the 360 and PC will see the game based on the $ that passed hands, not Sony though.

 

I could very well be wrong; I always keep that in mind, nonetheless.

 

I know R* look closely at sales of games and know that the 360 platform has itself a great software attachment ratio per console (8:1 last time I checked) , thus my belief for the 360 seeing Agent on the platform all resides on the success the game has on the PS3. If it sells similar to GTA IV (on PS3) I doubt it'll come to the 360 and if it sells similarly to KZ2 for example, the 360 will see this game on the platform.

 

I’m old enough to know both consoles can compare to one another in regards to these games available and coming, so hardware limitations are PR gimmicks.

 

 

Now I think it is safe to assume that Sony had to pony up a bit of cash for Agent exclusivity (after all Rockstar are not likely to give that away for free).  So why is is possible that something Sony paid for will appear on the xbox 360 if sales aren't good enough ?  Yet something Microsoft apparently "paid" for is never going to go onto the PS3 if sales aren't good enough ?

 

I don't believe Sony paid R* one cent for this exclusive, this was something R* themselves want to see made possible themselves (I believe they want to exceed what GTA IV was on the PS3) and wanted to give and make amends with Sony at least in the public eye (for the consumers sake), thus all the "We have a lot of respect for Sony, we have a lot of good business relationships with Sony. The PlayStation platforms are best suited for the title." is PR done right I guess.

 

Sony may have paid, but what suggests that?

 

We continue to hear that Sony is locking in exclusives with R* in regards to one of their massive IP's and people assume it's GTA V and onward... I'd agree then Sony paid mega $$ but not just for Agent, I recall reading something suggesting that R* was approached by Sony wanting anything exclusive that R* could see being big, R* went ahead and pitched ideas and finally came upon AGENT's espionage based in the late 1970's genre title and Sony were hard for it. I honestly have been looking for it for a while now (to prove as a source here) but can't find it I’m afraid...

 

 

Now sales figures for the 1st DLC on the xbox are very sketchy and range from 1 million to 2 million copies.  Let's be generous and say it's 2 million, that is less than 33% of those that bought GTA 4 (xbox version) bought TLaD.  Now I am not saying that is "disastrous" but only 2 million sales of a sub $20 addon especially for GTA 4 can't be considered "fantastic".

 

MS claimed that TL&D broke records... According to Microsoft, the expansion has "the highest reviewed downloadable content ever" further saying it "eclipsed first-day revenue for all previous downloadable content on Xbox LIVE". Which means more money was spent on it than any other piece of DLC in its first 24 hours on sale.

 

Whether that is hog wash or not isn't what's most important because we both can fairly say it at least sold 1 million copies, now again not every 360 GTA fan purchased TL&D, gamers across the globe may; fear placing CC details on a console, downloading 2Gb of data due to bandwidth restrictions, will wait for both episodes to come via disc based medium, don't have their 360 connected to the internet, some people prefer physical media they can obtain in their hands, or were just plainly not interested.

 

I'd rather gather an argument once EFLC is released and within a 90 day period of sales to derive the outcome... That's just me.

 

At the same time, this is all based on IF Microsoft's $ was only an investment for timed exclusivity... If it holds the same exclusivity as the Vice City episodes for example then none of this shall matter…

 

 

The fact they are bundling both episodes on disc gives us a hint that they are not altogether too happy with the reponse to the 1st DLC when it was made download only.  So going by the logic you applied to Agent it is entirely feasible that we can see the DLC on the PS3 to help boost sales then.

 

Like I mentioned above, if we're assuming R* in relation to this $50,000,000 only offered MS a timed exclusivity deal, I could accept what you're saying (I won't count it out totally) but I would still suggest we wait and see how the disc based game sells first, considering MS has the best software to console attachment ratio amongst all 3 consoles this generation.

 

I also would like to emphasize the points I made above in relation to DLC generally and how people may perceive it at this point in time.

 

I’m upon the opinion the disc based game was always part of the plan from R* and Microsoft, because they both know (as well as we do), physical media is still king.

 

 

 

I personally believe you will see Agent on the 360, 1 year after it is released on the PS3 (possibly with a PC version too it depends on whether Rockstar can be arsed).  It is the same situation with the DLC like I have said we haven't got long to wait till we find out.

 

You may very well be right.

 

[agincourtsalute]

 

I hope Rockstar do bring the DLC out for the PC/PS3, recentl;y finished GTA IV on PS3 so I've finished it on all available platforms now, perhaps a GTA IV Ultimate Pack? GTA IV on PC already comes on 2 DVD's so adding a third won't change anything, just another disc to install to get the Episodes, as for PS3, this is where Blu-ray could come in handy, all three could be done on one disc and the TV Stations could be uncompressed because on TLAD the new TV content was compressed to f*ck, I'm talking pixelation compressed here cause it had to fit in the 2GB limit.

Thats a good point, could the episodes be released on one disc, together with the original game for the PS3 and/or PC?

 

If the episodes were released for the PS3 and/or PC, would the M$ deal prevent any changes or additions to the DLC? (Providing the loan theory holds water).

 

Do you think that R* might LIKE to add extra content for other formats? (What with the 360 fanboys even leaving comments on R* own website telling other people they "should buy a xbox").

[EnchantedX360]

A real GTA fan doesn't discriminate in regards to what platform their (GTA) games are on, that is, a true GTA fan, not just a lip service one.

[agincourtsalute]

 

A real GTA fan doesn't discriminate in regards to what platform their (GTA) games are on, that is, a true GTA fan, not just a lip service one.

WTF?...

 

I don't understand how my post could be taken as some sort of discrimination of peoples choice of platform, dispite of a reference about immature comments made by some xbox fanboys like "get a xbox", on R* own website. (Which is a fact btw).

 

My comment was a legitimate question as to whether the M$/R* contract might contain a clause preventing R* adding extra content to the 360 DLC if it is a timed exclusivity contract and it is later released on other formats.

[CharmingCharlie]

Ok I have had enough, the next person that so much as hints "you aren't a real GTA fan if you don't own an xbox" will be a "real GTA fan" without access to this forum. There are GTA fans on the 360, PS3 and PC just because Microsoft closed off access to the DLC for PS3/PC GTA fans does not make them any less a GTA fan.

 

If you want to spout your Microsoft/360 love agenda then take it elsewhere. This is a multiplatform site and you xbox fanboys should remember most of the people that RUN this site are obviously not "real GTA fans" then since they all play the damn game on the PC and they are still waiting patiently for the content to come to THEIR chosen platform.

[ryanhunter_rfc]

Ok I have had enough, the next person that so much as hints "you aren't a real GTA fan if you don't own an xbox" will be a "real GTA fan" without access to this forum. There are GTA fans on the 360, PS3 and PC just because Microsoft closed off access to the DLC for PS3/PC GTA fans does not make them any less a GTA fan.

 

If you want to spout your Microsoft/360 love agenda then take it elsewhere. This is a multiplatform site and you xbox fanboys should remember most of the people that RUN this site are obviously not "real GTA fans" then since they all play the damn game on the PC and they are still waiting patiently for the content to come to THEIR chosen platform.

Thank you someone finally Knows what there talking about

[PhilipO43]

I'm hoping by the end of 2010' we'll see these episodes arrive on both other platforms, because it basically the only game i play(sp wise) and i do so on all three platforms, and for difference reasons why.

 

-PS3 version-->because even though it's rendered in the lowest resolution640p(lower then the 360's 720p and pc's 1024+p[<--depends on your rig), for non shooting parts of the game of which i like the way it uses post filter rendering to give it more of a movie like look(camera like blur view of long draw distances with more filtering on the close distance), and for the cinema cutscenes i prefer the use of it's color pallatte, which is more warmer then the 360 and pc version's. Also it's pop in is a lesser then the 360's and larger view of viewing the tv.

 

-360 version-->because of it's mixed blend of a better draw distance and crisper visuals and a bit better draw distance over the PS3 version, as well as it's blue like tint that i have been used to for pc games since the voodoo1 mixed with a bit warmer pallette(ie..PS3 like) for cutscenes then the pc, which give it a move movie like feel then the pc version but a bit lesser then the PS3's. It has the best mix of balance going from cutscenes to shooting/mission play of the three versions, as while the PS3 looks the best in cutscenes and the pc version looks the best in missions/and everything during gameplay, the 360 has the best balance of the two..imho

 

Also, Live has been the best of the three in terms of online play(more gamers using mic's, easy to invite friends and jump into a quick game..ect).

 

-PC version-->because of it's superb draw distance, higher texture quality across the board, ways to customize LC in terms of adding a huge ammount of car's on the screen(as in Star Junction)...ect. During gameplay and just messing around in LC and on-foot missions, the pc version is by far the best looking, across the board. Add to that it's custom music to the radio, more exact control with the mouse/keyboard for shooting scenes, and the mods available as well..ect

 

I can honestly say each platform has it's pro's and con's, as i have put 100's of hrs into vanilla GTA:IV for each platform.

 

Having said that, i can honestly say that just with the addition of TLAD, the storyline has so much more depth from it, and many questions are answered from Niko's storyline, and TBOGT will add even more depth to the whole IV storyline, and from three totally different character views as well as different styles of play. Not to mention the added features from TLAD and what seems like the largest feature set in this series with the upcoming TBOGT.

 

So while i try to play all versions, i'm always goinig back to the 360 version, simply because playing both Niko and Johnny's storyline in parellel is an amazing experience, and it should be even better when Luis's storyline arrives in some 2 weeks.

 

Hopefully the contract for GTA:IV's episodes is over sometime in 2010' and Rockstar can bring the full package of GTA:IV to the other 2 platforms, so that all GTA fans can enjoy this great game experience in it's full glory.

 

And personally i'm building my new pc rig this winter/next spring just for GTA:IV(to max out every setting), so i'm really hoping both episodes arrive sometime in 2010.

Edited October 13, 2009 by PhilipO43

[Molotiv]

I have a history of BS on this forum since I joined the dark side. But I had enough of my own crap, so no more bashing the most worthy adversary of the PS3.... and the PC offcourse (lol, just a joke m8s)

 

That out of the way, I hope we all get to enjoy the episodes of liberty city. And I feel a change in the Force , so my guess is we will get an announcement soon. And if so my guess it will hit the PS3 first and 2 months later PC.

 

This whole exclusive BS has to end, creating 2 camps never helped the game industry. Specially the GTA community. If the PS3/PC dont get a thing.... people will prob loose faith in the franchise and move one to the next best thing. And both platforms have enough to keep gamers bussy. Hell, im looking foreward to this Friday (Uncharted 2).

 

 

[PhilipO43]

I have a history of BS on this forum since I joined the dark side. But I had enough of my own crap, so no more bashing the most worthy adversary of the PS3.... and the PC offcourse (lol, just a joke m8s)

 

That out of the way, I hope we all get to enjoy the episodes of liberty city. And I feel a change in the Force , so my guess is we will get an announcement soon. And if so my guess it will hit the PS3 first and 2 months later PC.

 

This whole exclusive BS has to end, creating 2 camps never helped the game industry. Specially the GTA community. If the PS3/PC dont get a thing.... people will prob loose faith in the franchise and move one to the next best thing. And both platforms have enough to keep gamers bussy. Hell, im looking foreward to this Friday (Uncharted 2).

Uncharted 2 should be amazing for the PS3, and this is a perfect time to be a multi-platform gamer, since both the 360 and PS3 can be had for under $300 each, and then you can enjoy Unchartered2, GTA:IV's TLAD and TBOGT episodes, RFOM 2, Gears 2, Halo3/ODST, Left4Dead2, Killzone 2, Splinter Cell Conviction..ect

 

To not be a multi platform gamer these days, you're just will never enjoy all the great exclusives, and the perks for each platform as well.

 

The 360 has it's nice arcade titles(Duke3D, Doom, ect) and the PS3 has it's PS1 library of games, and while the avatars on the 360 are very Wii like(not my style but oh well), they do add something different just like Home(<--my style) on PSN looks very promising.

 

Another major perk about having both platforms, is that when a multi-platform game like say Madden 10' hit, you can rent both to see which one is the version you prefer. (ie..Fallout 3 looks better on the 360 while Oblivion looks better on the PS3)

 

And in terms of the pc platform, you don't need to put $1500-$2000(like you had to in the 90's) into a new rig anymore to max out the best games, as you can do so for under $1000 very easily and that includes a top of the line GPU as well.

 

And then if your really a gaming junkie(as in gamers like myself), you'll hook them all up to a large screen 1080p HDTV..7.1 sound speakers and 5.1 headphones, and then enjoy all this generation has to offer.

 

This fall season may be the best time to ever be a multi-platform gamer, in terms of games available and the low cost to do so as well.

[agincourtsalute]

I have a history of BS on this forum since I joined the dark side. But I had enough of my own crap, so no more bashing the most worthy adversary of the PS3.... and the PC offcourse (lol, just a joke m8s)

 

That out of the way, I hope we all get to enjoy the episodes of liberty city. And I feel a change in the Force    , so my guess is we will get an announcement soon. And if so my guess it will hit the PS3 first and 2 months later PC.

 

This whole exclusive BS has to end, creating 2 camps never helped the game industry. Specially the GTA community. If the PS3/PC dont get a thing.... people will prob loose faith in the franchise and move one to the next best thing. And both platforms have enough to keep gamers bussy. Hell, im looking foreward to this Friday (Uncharted 2). 

Uncharted 2 should be amazing for the PS3, and this is a perfect time to be a multi-platform gamer, since both the 360 and PS3 can be had for under $300 each, and then you can enjoy Unchartered2, GTA:IV's TLAD and TBOGT episodes, RFOM 2, Gears 2, Halo3/ODST, Left4Dead2, Killzone 2, Splinter Cell Conviction..ect

 

To not be a multi platform gamer these days, you're just will never enjoy all the great exclusives, and the perks for each platform as well.

 

The 360 has it's nice arcade titles(Duke3D, Doom, ect) and the PS3 has it's PS1 library of games, and while the avatars on the 360 are very Wii like(not my style but oh well), they do add something different just like Home(<--my style) on PSN looks very promising.

 

Another major perk about having both platforms, is that when a multi-platform game like say Madden 10' hit, you can rent both to see which one is the version you prefer. (ie..Fallout 3 looks better on the 360 while Oblivion looks better on the PS3)

 

And in terms of the pc platform, you don't need to put $1500-$2000(like you had to in the 90's) into a new rig anymore to max out the best games, as you can do so for under $1000 very easily and that includes a top of the line GPU as well.

 

And then if your really a gaming junkie(as in gamers like myself), you'll hook them all up to a large screen 1080p HDTV..7.1 sound speakers and 5.1 headphones, and then enjoy all this generation has to offer.

 

This fall season may be the best time to ever be a multi-platform gamer, in terms of games available and the low cost to do so as well.

Not everybody wants to burn their money away on consoles and renting two copies of the same bloody game before spending more money on the best version of the game. Most people just want to play the game on the format they OWN, its as simple as that.

[Molotiv]

And since both platforms can carry all of this gen games, its beginning to get very annoying when things turn up exclusive. Sony had it right when they stated that they didnt believe in exclusives, but look were they are now. Playing the same game as MS. They had to, or the PS3 would have been the next Dreamcast. Maybe one day the two can burry the hatchet and create one big gaming community, but thats so far away right now. Its war, and us people/gamers are in the middle of it.

 

[d0mm2k8]

 

“PS3 PLEASE, dont forget that Grand Theft Auto originated on the Playstation system (PS1)” - anthonycr

I'm pretty certain that GTA originated on the PC.

I've always played it on the PS but since I got a (reasonable) PC, I've gone that way.

 

OT:

In the end, it's all Sony's fault that DLC is only for the 360.

They were offered and they turned it down.

I'm glad I have all the consoles - at least these companies can't f*ck me over

 

 

PS:

Not to bash the 360 or anything, but it's quite annoying that XBL costs yet Windows Live doesn't.

PC fanboy here

[CookPassBabtridge]

^ We can only blame Rockstar for the exclusivity to be fair. It was their product, and they could have not gone down this route. They had the DLCs planned alongside IV and then whored them off to the highest bidder.

[d0mm2k8]

Since you put it that way (I'm in.) it makes sense. A business is a business and money is the priority

[PhilipO43]

And since both platforms can carry all of this gen games, its beginning to get very annoying when things turn up exclusive. Sony had it right when they stated that they didnt believe in exclusives, but look were they are now. Playing the same game as MS. They had to, or the PS3 would have been the next Dreamcast. Maybe one day the two can burry the hatchet and create one big gaming community, but thats so far away right now. Its war, and us people/gamers are in the middle of it.

 

In the ideal gamers world there would be one platform say an upgradable hybrid pc/console combo being the only gaming platform.

 

But on the flip side, competetion is the best thing for gamers, since each company cuts prices to outdo the other, and the hardware each company puts out is as cutting edge as possible for that time span.

 

For instance, back in the 80's Nintendo controlled about 95% of the market with the NES and not until Sega put out the Genesis did they push for the release of the SNES in 1991'. While Nintendo waited that generation, technology wisw, stood still. Back then the pc was the only platform the play state of the art games on.

 

And this continued until the 32 bit days when the Saturn and PS1 were released in 95'(94' in Japan)[the 3do was 32 bit and released in 93' but it ran $800 and had little 3rd party support), and during that time the pc was again the place to play state of the art games, and a good pc ran $1500-$2000 back then.

 

Even with the N64 released the PS1 had controlled a major part of the console industry's sales, and that console was so inferior to the pc, that once again the pc was the only place to play state of the art games.

 

Only when the Xbox1 pushed the technology to one-upping Sony, did the consoles mature to comming somewhat close to pc games/graphics, where a multi-platform release was finally possible and commonplace.

 

MS then pushed the 360 out 4yrs later, and pushed the technology even furthur(there were no tri-core cpu's on the pc's in 2005'), that Sony had change it's once 256MB(split 128MB) PS3 into a 512MB(split 256MB) console.

 

If a company gets too much of a marketshare they get lazy, and it's something you never want in this industry, as the technology stands still too long.

 

Also, if one company controls the industry, then you will not see the price drops we have seen of the 360 and PS3 the past 2 yrs or so.

 

Just look at the overpriced Wii, and how long it took Nintendo to drop that console from $250 to $200.

 

If MS and Sony don't drop prices or they don't exsist, the Wii would still be selling for $250.

 

So you must have competetion, even if it means exclusives for different consoles.

 

I'd much rather have competetion and be a multi-platform owner then overpaying for one console who will not push the the technology envelope.

[CookPassBabtridge]

^ That makes sense for long term, over a console generation. But in this case all platforms can run the game fine, its the probably the biggest franchise out there, and it doesnt move anything forward. Infact, the DLC thing has arguably been about holding things back to eek out more profits.

 

Slightly off topic, but I was reading a preview of an upcoming game in Edge magazine ths month, and it was basically waiting for MS and Sony to finish fighting over exclusivity rights for it to be published. The game looked cool, and everyone should be able to play it. Its an annoying trend for sure

[Molotiv]

Yup it has its advantages. Competition prob created franchises like Halo and Uncharted. But that doesnt take away the fact I would love to play Uncharted MP against my 360 brothers. I would love to see games going cross-platform online!!

[anus]

I used to keep hoping that Rockstar would confirm TLAD and TBOGT for PC, but it's been so long and I'm honestly tired of waiting.

 

All of my excitement is gone and now I honestly don't care whether they release for PC or not, and most likely won't be getting them even if they release for PC.

[GuruAskew]

 

I used to keep hoping that Rockstar would confirm TLAD and TBOGT for PC, but it's been so long and I'm honestly tired of waiting.

 

All of my excitement is gone and now I honestly don't care whether they release for PC or not, and most likely won't be getting them even if they release for PC.

 

That's the thing nobody wants to accept: that even if this exclusivity were to ever lapse that it might lapse during a timeframe in which the demand would be almost non-existent.

 

I'm personally not convinced that there's any sort of exclusive deal keeping the "Stories" games off of Xbox here 4 years later, I just don't think Microsoft and Rockstar really see them as viable releases. I would be surprised if they couldn't release them on Xbox if they wanted to, I just don't think they want to.

 

Furthermore, even in a world where this deal lapses there's every reason to believe that Rockstar would be reluctant to release a couple of $20 games that could compete with a new full $60+ GTA game, and every single day that passes without this content hitting PS3 and PC brings us closer to the launch of that next full GTA.

 

That's the ultimate hilarity of the wishful thinking you see the PS3 and PC owners spewing forth. Not only do they make the huge flawed assumptions like:

 

the deal has to lapse (it doesn't)

deals only lapse in 6-month increments (they don't)

that Rockstar is losing money on the deal (they aren't)

 

they also make the huge leap that Rockstar is waiting like a coiled spring to launch this content on other consoles the second they're able to, and there's far more to it than that.

 

Ultimately it comes down to this:

 

Those of us who own the 360 had "The Lost and Damned" over 6 months ago and will have "The Ballad of Gay Tony" in less than 2 weeks and everyone else is just throwing dreams at the wishing tree.

[Ryder 556]

I used to keep hoping that Rockstar would confirm TLAD and TBOGT for PC, but it's been so long and I'm honestly tired of waiting.

 

All of my excitement is gone and now I honestly don't care whether they release for PC or not, and most likely won't be getting them even if they release for PC.

 

That's the thing nobody wants to accept: that even if this exclusivity were to ever lapse that it might lapse during a timeframe in which the demand would be almost non-existent.

 

I'm personally not convinced that there's any sort of exclusive deal keeping the "Stories" games off of Xbox here 4 years later, I just don't think Microsoft and Rockstar really see them as viable releases. I would be surprised if they couldn't release them on Xbox if they wanted to, I just don't think they want to.

 

Furthermore, even in a world where this deal lapses there's every reason to believe that Rockstar would be reluctant to release a couple of $20 games that could compete with a new full $60+ GTA game, and every single day that passes without this content hitting PS3 and PC brings us closer to the launch of that next full GTA.

 

That's the ultimate hilarity of the wishful thinking you see the PS3 and PC owners spewing forth. Not only do they make the huge flawed assumptions like:

 

the deal has to lapse (it doesn't)

deals only lapse in 6-month increments (they don't)

that Rockstar is losing money on the deal (they aren't)

 

they also make the huge leap that Rockstar is waiting like a coiled spring to launch this content on other consoles the second they're able to, and there's far more to it than that.

 

Ultimately it comes down to this:

 

Those of us who own the 360 had "The Lost and Damned" over 6 months ago and will have "The Ballad of Gay Tony" in less than 2 weeks and everyone else is just throwing dreams at the wishing tree.

Well first off. We have no clue on whether or not R* are actually making a new GTA game. 2010 is filled up with Agent, Mad Max 3, Red Dead Redemption and other un-announced R* titles(not GTA cause R* said GTA IV was made to last). So don't count on a new GTA for quite some time. Also how many times does it have to be said?

 

 

Those of us who own the 360 had "The Lost and Damned" over 6 months ago and will have "The Ballad of Gay Tony" in less than 2 weeks and everyone else is just throwing dreams at the wishing tree.

 

We have no f*cking clue on what the contract was about. It says exclusive but it never said exclusive for ever. The only thing mentioned was "Two exclusive DLC packs". Not all DLC. Now why do I say this? Well R* did mention that they're not leaving us PS3 gamers in the dust and have a big surprise for us. And M$ have been loosing a crap load of exclusives lately. So with M$'s new track record of loosing exclusives it's not a far stretch to believe that EFLC will be on the PS3 sooner or later.

[PhilipO43]

I used to keep hoping that Rockstar would confirm TLAD and TBOGT for PC, but it's been so long and I'm honestly tired of waiting.

 

All of my excitement is gone and now I honestly don't care whether they release for PC or not, and most likely won't be getting them even if they release for PC.

 

That's the thing nobody wants to accept: that even if this exclusivity were to ever lapse that it might lapse during a timeframe in which the demand would be almost non-existent.

 

I'm personally not convinced that there's any sort of exclusive deal keeping the "Stories" games off of Xbox here 4 years later, I just don't think Microsoft and Rockstar really see them as viable releases. I would be surprised if they couldn't release them on Xbox if they wanted to, I just don't think they want to.

 

Furthermore, even in a world where this deal lapses there's every reason to believe that Rockstar would be reluctant to release a couple of $20 games that could compete with a new full $60+ GTA game, and every single day that passes without this content hitting PS3 and PC brings us closer to the launch of that next full GTA.

 

That's the ultimate hilarity of the wishful thinking you see the PS3 and PC owners spewing forth. Not only do they make the huge flawed assumptions like:

 

the deal has to lapse (it doesn't)

deals only lapse in 6-month increments (they don't)

that Rockstar is losing money on the deal (they aren't)

 

they also make the huge leap that Rockstar is waiting like a coiled spring to launch this content on other consoles the second they're able to, and there's far more to it than that.

 

Ultimately it comes down to this:

 

Those of us who own the 360 had "The Lost and Damned" over 6 months ago and will have "The Ballad of Gay Tony" in less than 2 weeks and everyone else is just throwing dreams at the wishing tree.

You make for some very valid points and while it's very cheap to play these episodes(arcade 360 is only $200, making it the lowest cost hi-def platform), some gamers prefer to play them on the're PC or PS3, if they had a choice.

 

Personally i see where Rockstar's logic is here, because they fully knew the 360 would be the cheapest console in 09'(hi def) and add in how Live is the #1 console online service, putting out these $20 DLC's made sense.

 

Rockstar is claiming that they will have 2 million downloads of TLAD and from the sheer excitement of TBOGT, that number should be more in the 3 million range.

 

Let's say Rockstar sells a total of 5 million DLC's at $20 per(the $40 combined DLC's added in), added in with it's 50 million that MS payed for the rights, and your looking at $150 million just in these two episodes.

 

That's alot in itself, and while PS3 sales would have been at least 2-3 million combined, without that MS deal, at 2.5 million sold(combined) that's the same $50 million that MS put out up front.

 

That was guaranteed $$$ for Rockstar and made perfect sense, on the console end. Now as far as pc sales, that's another story because with all the piracy thse days, Rockstar has to take that into account, and i'm thinking you're looking at 1.5-2 million at best sold on the pc side.

 

So really that's just $30-$40 million extra for Rockstar, while with the MS deal that $50 million is up front.

 

Having said that nobody here knows the lenght of that deal, maybe it's a 1 year exclusive deal? Or maybe it's a 18 month deal, where the PC and PS3 will see the combined episodes in late 2010'?

 

Or maybe MS is just concerned with these not hitting the PS3? Who knows.

 

On the flip side, i can easily see why pc gamers are not happy here, as it's a totally different platform as far as game experience is concerned, as it's more personal and with it's mods and ability to max the graphics to your liking, it makes it frustrating.

 

For instance, while i have all three versions of IV, my preference is the console experience(for games like IV, which play more cinema like), and if these episodes were pc only, i'd be a bit frustrated as well. (i'd still be buying them for the pc, because i don't want to miss out on any GTA content)

 

The same goes for PS3 only owners, while not for as many reasons as pc owners, they may prefer PSN over Live or the PS3 DS controller over the 360's..ect

 

So i feel bad for the owners of those platforms, but likewise i see the reasoning behind the MS deal here for Rockstar.

 

I also believe they fully knew that the 360 would be the cheapest platform in 2009' and that helps in terms of unit sales for these DLC's.

 

I highly doubt these DLC's are not timed exclusive, but i do believe they will be for at least 12 months, and most probable 18 months from time of that TLAD release.(which would mean a fall 2010' release on eithier both platforms or just the PC)

 

And from MS point of view, they are making a killing here, because i'm sure many who knew these DLC's would arrive on the 360, bought the 360 version of IV, and these DLC's have sold many 360's by themselves as well.

 

Last generation Rockstar led the GTA series with the PS2 as the first platform releases, and it was the cheapest platform, and this generation they have done likewise with the DLC's for the 360.

 

One last thing, i'll never forget the arrogance of Sony stating at E3 of 08', that they did'nt need DLC's(especially in terms of IV), and they had enough content for PS3 owners.

 

MS put up the $$$ for these DLC's while Sony did'nt seem to think it was important.

[GuruAskew]

I don't feel bad for PS3 owners. This exclusive deal was well-known before the PS3 was even available so if you bought the PS3 expecting to ever get this content that's your own problem.

 

People say "all I want is for everyone to be able to play this content" and guess what? There isn't a soul on the planet who can't play it. It's available to everyone. There's no bias or "fanboyism" or anything behind that, just the truth, and the truth is: the PS3 isn't the console for you if you're a GTA fan any more than the 360 is the console for you if you're a God of War fan.

 

I'm not saying the people who own the PS3 aren't fans and I'm not saying that 360 owners are the only fans, I'm just stating a cold, hard fact: that the people behind Grand Theft Auto accepted a large sum of money to make the Xbox 360 the only console that gets these episodes.

 

Don't like it? You're well within your rights to disapprove of the situation, you're just not doing yourself or anyone else any favors by crafting lies based on nothing more than your pure desire to get this content.

 

This deal is literally nearing its 4th birthday and so far there isn't so much as a tiny shred of credible evidence that suggests that this exclusive deal will ever change, and it's not an even thing. Every official source confirms the exclusivity and as such the burden of proof lies upon the shoulders of the people who believe the opposite.

 

The whole thing reminds me of the world of conspiracy theories. No matter how overwhelming the evidence is that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing JFK or no matter how clear-cut the cause of the 9/11 tragedy are to most people there is always some vocal fringe element of people who think that their cobbled-together theories based on misinformation and rumor trump cold, hard facts.

 

Ultimately when Microsoft shoots down one of these rumors with a clear, plain statement like "These episodes are exclusive to Xbox 360" and some biased nobody posts "BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY FOREVER!" it just makes the whole PS3 community look ridiculous and desperate.

Edited October 15, 2009 by GuruAskew

[garywobby]

it just makes the whole PS3 community look ridiculous and desperate.

...And it just makes 360 fanboys look like spoilt little children who don't want to share their toys.

I mean ...seriously...not one person on here has any FACTS about this deal, yet there are a certain few (Like you, GURU ASKEW...hey that rhymes) who truly believe that whatever they say is the Gospel truth and that they are always right.

 

[simonp92]

I don't feel bad for PS3 owners. This exclusive deal was well-known before the PS3 was even available so if you bought the PS3 expecting to ever get this content that's your own problem.

 

People say "all I want is for everyone to be able to play this content" and guess what? There isn't a soul on the planet who can't play it. It's available to everyone. There's no bias or "fanboyism" or anything behind that, just the truth, and the truth is: the PS3 isn't the console for you if you're a GTA fan any more than the 360 is the console for you if you're a God of War fan.

 

I'm not saying the people who own the PS3 aren't fans and I'm not saying that 360 owners are the only fans, I'm just stating a cold, hard fact: that the people behind Grand Theft Auto accepted a large sum of money to make the Xbox 360 the only console that gets these episodes.

 

Don't like it? You're well within your rights to disapprove of the situation, you're just not doing yourself or anyone else any favors by crafting lies based on nothing more than your pure desire to get this content.

 

This deal is literally nearing its 4th birthday and so far there isn't so much as a tiny shred of credible evidence that suggests that this exclusive deal will ever change, and it's not an even thing. Every official source confirms the exclusivity and as such the burden of proof lies upon the shoulders of the people who believe the opposite.

 

The whole thing reminds me of the world of conspiracy theories. No matter how overwhelming the evidence is that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing JFK or no matter how clear-cut the cause of the 9/11 tragedy are to most people there is always some vocal fringe element of people who think that their cobbled-together theories based on misinformation and rumor trump cold, hard facts.

 

Ultimately when Microsoft shoots down one of these rumors with a clear, plain statement like "These episodes are exclusive to Xbox 360" and some biased nobody posts "BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY FOREVER!" it just makes the whole PS3 community look ridiculous and desperate.

I had to register to reply to you.

 

Do you have any proof that R* said "DLCs are only for the Xbox"?? (Yes we have the cover of the game with the "only on xbox" label, but we all know that that label means sh*t.)

- at this moment we actually dont know if the DLCs might come to the PS3 and/or the PC. Infact you shouldt even care, what so if we PS3 and PC users gets the DLCs? will you get pissed??

[GuruAskew]

Did you ever see me complaining about having to "share" the basic game with PS3 and PC owners?

 

No.

 

I have no problem with anyone else playing the game, whether it's on a 360, a PS3 or a PC. What I have a problem with is the years and years of annoying and delusional posts made with nothing to back them up.

 

No unbiased person would ever look at this situation and arrive at the conclusion that this content will be available elsewhere and I have respect for the PS3 and PC owners who understand and accept the reality of the situation.

 

Fact is, if you're posting in this thread about timed exclusives and stating that you believe the content will be on the PS3 within a year of the 360 release you're just making stuff up. You may really hope it's true and you may have even convinced yourself that it's true but the people posting that should at least admit that there's nothing whatsoever to back it up.

[garywobby]

 

Did you ever see me complaining about having to "share" the basic game with PS3 and PC owners?

 

No.

 

I have no problem with anyone else playing the game, whether it's on a 360, a PS3 or a PC.  What I have a problem with is the years and years of annoying and delusional posts made with nothing to back them up.

 

No unbiased person would ever look at this situation and arrive at the conclusion that this content will be available elsewhere and I have respect for the PS3 and PC owners who understand and accept the reality of the situation.

 

Fact is, if you're posting in this thread about timed exclusives and stating that you believe the content will be on the PS3 within a year of the 360 release you're just making stuff up.  You may really hope it's true and you may have even convinced yourself that it's true but the people posting that should at least admit that there's nothing whatsoever to back it up.

AAAAAnd....there's nothing whatsoever to back your statements up either.

I have both consoles so if I wanna play the DLC's then I can so I ain't being delusional in any way, i'm just doing what you and everybody else on here is doing..........SPECULATING.