Hydro_PT Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) I was entering on GFWL today to play some FlatOut Ultimate Carnage, and there was an update I had to install. The game quit to the desktop and the GFWL installer window popped up. It was a quick thing, but I think it was kind of a major update, because it appeared something like "removing old version". And no, it wasn't LIVE 3.0, I already got that some time ago. I didn't login with GTA IV, so I don't know if it had something to do with it or if it was just a normal LIVE update. Maybe it's the 5th patch coming? There was nothing on Rockstar's or the Social Club sites though... Here's a pic (don't try to read it, it's in Portuguese ) http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7154/picvcs.jpg Edited August 19, 2009 by Hydro_PT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldoribeiro Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I was entering on GFWL today to play some FlatOut Ultimate Carnage, and there was an update I had to install. The game quit to the desktop and the GFWL installer window popped up. It was a quick thing, but I think it was kind of a major update, because it appeared something like "removing old version". And no, it wasn't LIVE 3.0, I already got that some time ago. I didn't login with GTA IV, so I don't know if it had something to do with it or if it was just a normal LIVE update. Maybe it's the 5th patch coming? There was nothing on Rockstar's or the Social Club sites though... Here's a pic (don't try to read it, it's in Portuguese ) http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7154/picvcs.jpg I am a Porra too, it seems like just a LIVE update, not an official patch. Might be in preparation though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Driver Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 It's not Patch 5 cause I was in FUEL and had to update Live too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Here's a pic (don't try to read it, it's in Portuguese ) http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7154/picvcs.jpg On topic: I got that too. I'm just not installing it in-game to prevent the stupid stuttering glitch in IV if it comes back. let your hopes and dreams turn into burning fire! GTANet | Red Dead Network | kifflom black lives matter | stop Asian hate | trans lives = human lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWelshGamer Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) EDIT: I fixed the problem. It was something to do with my computer. This patch will not affect your performance in a bad way. Edited August 19, 2009 by TheWelshGamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetment Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 i downloaded this and no difference.. Bt anything new in this update or just a bone by microsoft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro_PT Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 Well of course we cannot think that everytime we see a LIVE update, that means a patch for GTA IV. It's just, oh well, I thought it might be a hint or something. There are other games running with GFWL, and they could be patching their own system as well. I decided to let you know, just in case. Also my game didn't suffer in any way, both FlatOut: UC and GTA IV are running like they should. And I didn't notice nothing new with the LIVE system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Is there any direct download link to this update? The auto update fails (no surprise) and the manual download link on the Support page fails to redirect me to the download page. My browser just keeps waiting for a reply from Microsoft's website. How much more balls is Microsoft going to suck? So, anyways, is there any alternate download link? I can't get online because I didn't download this friggin' update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackah123 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Direct download link http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...ad-540a25a38f89 Brief Description Games for Windows - LIVE Setup 3.0 QFE1 upgrades users to the newest build 3.00.0089.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Ahh thanks, that worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yidakee Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Xau, tanto tuga!! Nao sabia!! (.pt pvt msg sorry) I'll try it, but I am dont believe it will help. I have the danm stutters! You guys think this live update could do the trick? I've done clean installs of Windows 7 32 and 64 Vista 32 and 64 Xp 32 and 64, except havent tested GTA 4 on XP 64 because I'm BORED TO DEATH WITH THE CRAP R* PUT OUT but I will eventually... although I KNOW it wont work. I am very good as a system admin, my systems run super smooth, I do tweak essencials for better OS performance, but I have tested with fresh untouched installs and fully updated. Tried all the "official" R* fixes. Tried ALL combinations on commandline.txt Tried latest drivers. Tried Dox Foreceware. All the know and dozens of "unknown to help with GTA" I did the contig.exe Tried Cacheboost, Cacheman, Resman and memfix and a couple others Have not intalled antivirus, and enabled and disabled firewall. I've started the game fresh half a million times! My CPU runs fine, my gfx (9600m GT GDDR3 512) does not go past 60 degrees. I play on almost max settings with aroun 25fps... with absolute minimum stutters behave the same. I have noticed stutter can start after an automatic save, or weather/day/night change I've been at this for TWO MONTHS STRAIGHT !!!!!!!!! Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truehighroller Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 EDIT: I fixed the problem. It was something to do with my computer. This patch will not affect your performance in a bad way. I lost 10 FPS so yes it will, in some cases any way I guess. I retested and retested so now doubt about it, decrease if you are unlucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 My CPU runs fine, my gfx (9600m GT GDDR3 512) does not go past 60 degrees. This is your problem. How can you even think of running this game on max settings with a mobile GPU and wish for it to not give you any issues? When will people stop blaming Rockstar for their own incompetencies? There is NO fix for your stutter unless you tone down your settings to the level that your system can handle. Exceeding the available resources WILL cause stutter and other performance related issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro_PT Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 girishb is right. That GPU is way too weak to play the game properly. Before saying that it is Rockstar's fault, look at your own hardware. I would be Rockstar's fault if you had a good system, but you don't. There are no miracles around here, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcaliber81 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 EDIT: I fixed the problem. It was something to do with my computer. This patch will not affect your performance in a bad way. I lost 10 FPS so yes it will, in some cases any way I guess. I retested and retested so now doubt about it, decrease if you are unlucky. this update does not affect performance in any way i just did a clean install of xp properly updated my drivers and this game is unbelievably smooth no stutters and no lags even with tons of cars on screen, dont know about the rain yet tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truehighroller Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) EDIT: I fixed the problem. It was something to do with my computer. This patch will not affect your performance in a bad way. I lost 10 FPS so yes it will, in some cases any way I guess. I retested and retested so now doubt about it, decrease if you are unlucky. this update does not affect performance in any way i just did a clean install of xp properly updated my drivers and this game is unbelievably smooth no stutters and no lags even with tons of cars on screen, dont know about the rain yet tho Maybe I got the loss from the ATI driver release but, I could have sworn that I had tested it right after installing them and I was getting 61FPS Avg now I am getting 54 Avg. I will test again I guess... Edit: My bad I was wrong, I think I was testing with my shadows turn to 0 and that was why i had 61 Avg because I just did that and it is back to 61Avg.. My bad. Edited August 19, 2009 by truehighroller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yidakee Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 girishb is right. That GPU is way too weak to play the game properly. Before saying that it is Rockstar's fault, look at your own hardware. I would be Rockstar's fault if you had a good system, but you don't. There are no miracles around here, you know? Guys, I really dont want to be a d*ck about it, but you should read more carefully. I can max out my system and run smoothly for 10-20 mins, crazy driving and explosions, or just plain walking around, with about 22-24fps at 1366x768. I change towns on first mission the and drive like mad without issues. 6 stars and all hell breaking loose. No texture problems loading of failing. No road issue. No "flying car" syndrome. Just and only the damn stutters. I disntinctly said the EVEN IN MINIMUM the stutter BEHAVIOUR is the same. The problems is NOT my system. It is bad coding by R* that I and other 9600m Gt users are ESPECIALLY SUFFERING FROM. I play fine sometimes even more 30mins whatever. Wheather changes, game stutters. In mid-high settings, fps jumps to 25-28. Mid setting around 28 STABLE, obviously +- 3 or 4 fps depending on action. What are you all on about ?! I clearly said that even in minimum settings the stutter behaviour is not the same. I have a perfectly fine computer for GTA4, it might not have the best of graphic card, but I certainly DOES do the job, and very very well! Lets not forget its gddr3 R* clearly is to blame as soooooooooooooo many people have the stutters problems. People with twice my system and you all know that. It is SHAMEFUL people have to run around trying drivers and tricks and workarounds to get the game to run. Ok, you are a fps nutzoid, got for it! Tweak, test drivers, go command line... R* 's responsability is to make a game that delivers, with the minimum reqs assured, gameplay. I do not have gameplay. right now I wouldn´t care if it were a 8-bit game if I could actually play. And you want to know what? And this is in all honesty. A friend brought over a torrent file he... err.. "tripped over on"... so I did test an illegal cracked version. We played for HOURS ON END and I drooled and drooled. On MY computer. Next day I go out and spend 45 euros + 30 euros on xbox controller. I wish I'd spent that on a DVD and illegally distributed (for free) the pirated game. I obviously wouldnt do this, but this is how I am feeling! I feel raped by R* - I am soooo frsutrated because I HAVE SEEN THE GAME PLAY FOR HOURS IN NEAR HIGH SETTINGS - I WAS THERE - IT WAS MY PC !!! Sorry for the caps, but people always have the habit of firing away without properly reading other's issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Trooper. Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Yidakee this topic is about the features of this update and what it could mean, not your problems. If you have problems with your game, ask in the troubleshooting forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yidakee Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) You are right, sorry about the rant, but frustration just pilles up like, like tetris game pieces. New fix, no solution, new fix, no solution... arg.. Specially when you try to get feedback from people and they don't bother to read and understand what is going on. They see "stutters" and instantly reply "oh you dont have GPU muscle for gta etc etc..." Oh, and just for referrence... I get the stutters, get a chopper, go on a high building, shoot some people for 10-20 minutes, stutters go away. The cycle just loops. Memeory leak while flushing ram. Sometimes with saveing games, sooo.... Being that LIVE has been pointed at as possibly being the culprit for stutters in some cases, I jumped in to get to feedback on the new update. Sorry for the hijack and the rant though... EDIT: For others that might have the same issue - http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?act=ST&...entry1059432843 Edited August 20, 2009 by Yidakee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro_PT Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 I've read your post and understood it completely. I know it can be frustrating when you buy a game and it doesn't work properly. But before you start complaining, why don't you look at your hardware? No matter what you do, the 9xxxM series SUCK. Plain and simple. Laptops aren't made for gaming at all. And don't forget one thing: the minimum system requirements don't say nothing about laptop graphics cards. Usually these cards are never supported by whoever produces the game, and they say so in the readme: Supported Graphics Cards: Not compatible with all integrated sound/graphics solutions (inc.Laptops) If a cracked version worked alright, how it can be Rockstar's fault then? The only things you don't have running is GFWL (it's true it can make the game stutter a bit) and the Social Club, that as far as I know, doesn't cause any issue. Besides that, the .exe file is pretty much similar to the original one, the only difference is that it overrides the Securom protection and doesn't do a check for the original DVD. Anyway, enough off-topic. This is about the LIVE update, which seems to be just a normal update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yidakee Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) Sorry, but my bit-ego will not allow dissing of my perfectly fine rig! How can you say that? There are people with half my card running the game! How can a memory leak, which is plain and simply badly unified coding, be my card's fault? Why is it my gfx card is crap, and get 25fps in High/Very High settings and generous detail a view distance? Yes, Gddr2 is not enough. this is not the regular "crappy" 9600m its the gddr3 with and perfectly fine dx10 support and.. 25 fps in high texture rendering? are you nuts? Yeah its not 50 or 60, but if its good for cinema, its good for me (and lets leave the technicality of smootheness there shall we) texture rendering and everything else actually... I would settle for everything set to ultra LOW if I could play, but it NOT THE GFX card The live patches certainly have helped others, and now I remember that I used to get loads of end mission, save game stutters - that seem gone now... But.. lool... you should see the game go man! Its beautiful here, smooth steady fps even in dense explosive situations. My only biggy is the stutters, so stop dissing my card! Edited August 20, 2009 by Yidakee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truehighroller Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) Guys, I really dont want to be a d*ck about it, but you should read more carefully. I agree with you man, absolute bull sh*t. Any way, I just wanted to add that I have diffnately taken a hit in some way since the GFWL update, no doubt about it at this point. I do not get a stutter while driving but, I do now while flying and I wasn't right before this patch and I have a fresh install now, no older then two days that has been defragged and has no mods. This patch did something, so ATI fixes stuff and then Micro hell goes and breaks it again. It has already been proven that they broke some stuff and caused some stutters with, "I know for a fact because I was reading around" with one of their GFWL updates that they later fixed. Edited August 20, 2009 by truehighroller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yidakee Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) Hmmm... one man's cold turkey is another man's high, the update messed you up, but surely will fix someone else's. Isnt that a slap in the face? I will be trying in though... When, oh when, will Mac gaming see the light of day... ? Edited August 20, 2009 by Yidakee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Also as some people said, you can't compare a live update to a game patch. When it's a game patch it says "There's a GAME update available" and not "There's a LIVE update available". let your hopes and dreams turn into burning fire! GTANet | Red Dead Network | kifflom black lives matter | stop Asian hate | trans lives = human lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yidakee Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 point being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris1508 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Stutter ever few seconds its getting very annoying in single player all was perfect before with 40 fps well mostly 30+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Same. Started to happen today, it's like a 0.1 second stutter and it's annoying let your hopes and dreams turn into burning fire! GTANet | Red Dead Network | kifflom black lives matter | stop Asian hate | trans lives = human lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truehighroller Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Same. Started to happen today, it's like a 0.1 second stutter and it's annoying I think it is safe to say we can thank Micro Hell for this one. I really appreciate it Micro xxxxs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevyboy Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Well that certainly was odd (although not surprising considering its GFWL). I installed the update last evening automatically when starting GTA 4, installed no issues with no errors. This morning I noticed I had a windows update message, sure enough it was GFWL trying to update to the one I had finished the night before. Said what the heck and let it install. Few hours later... another windows update, with you guessed it, GFWL! At this point I'm getting irritated so I let it install one more time and even reboot but sure enough a few hours later... So remembering this thread, and girishb's issue with installing I tried the download and patch manually method. Well it did the trick, the GFWL update no longer shows up on the windows update list so mystery solved. I know this wasn't really GTA related or did it cause any issues beyond annoyance but I imagine others may have had the issue as it seems somehow related to this update as it has never happened to me before at least, thought I would post just in case someone else was having this oddity. *** Now related to this live update, I am getting small micro stutters as well. I had been running fine for the past few days with no stuttering whatsoever (not to mention the many months before, although settings have changed over time) and nothing changed except this update. Well now after 30 mins - 2 hours or so I start to get the "micro stutters". Again the only thing that has changed in the last few days was this update so add me to the list of users with the new "micro stutters" that started just after installing this update. Edited August 21, 2009 by Chevyboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacoGTA4 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 add me too to the micro stuttering thing, damn it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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