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Sanjeem

Myanmar Burma Forgoten?

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Burmese Protests

 

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Now today on the news i saw that their was a terrible flood in China and everyone remembers the Huge Chinese earthquake, and they remember the war on terrorism, they know the wars in Packistan, Iraq...

 

They know about zimbabwe, all the countries that are all recognizable because their people are suffering, weather it's Terrorism around the corner, or because their government is Corrupt and the regime is brutal.

 

Now for the question, Have you forgoten about Myanmar (Burma). Have you even heard of it, Do you think that the U.N should make more sanctions against it. Since they have made sanctions against North Korea, Senior Gen Than Shwe, the burmese Junta leader is teaming up with NK, Did you know That?

 

I'm just so pissed off! it's not anyones fault, but i know people who don't even know or have ever heard about burma. They heard about all these other countries that suffer, and yet my father's country Burma is left to die in the dark with-out anybody aware of it's existance mad.gif

 

What are your opinions, what should the U.N do? or Asean, mabey even the British? but as far as i know the Burmese people think only the British can free the country, Like they did before. Ban-Ki-moon (U.N leader)failed miserably on his last trip to Burma Rangoon. I just want to see the day where burma is free and where i can visit the country. i mean i could go now if i wanted too but before i can even say the word Democracy even in a loud public, i would be found out somehow and be arrested like That in Insein Prison. I'd be safe but i could not mention any politics at all Apart from that, i could go, but please your opinions on what should be done.

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major underscore

Here in Sweden Burma has been in the major news broadcasts today, with the sentencing of the opposition leader Suu Kyi.

 

What can be done to end the oppression I do not know.

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copperwire93

Oh no my friend, they're not forgotten to South East Asian like us, Burma is a part of our Geography and History lesson here. I don't know about the other part of world thinks about Burma though.

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Katalix

This is the first time I ever heard of that country, never read about it in history.

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Sanjeem
This is the first time I ever heard of that country, never read about it in history.

Their you go then. I bet you've heard of all those other countries in the above though. Things must be done. mad.gif

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Mad Tony

 

This is the first time I ever heard of that country, never read about it in history.

Their you go then. I bet you've heard of all those other countries in the above though. Things must be done. mad.gif

Get over it. Not everybody is up on their geography. I happen to be, so I've obviously heard of Burma and what the situation is over there. Unfortunately though there's no international consensus. The Chinese and Russian governments don't seem to care. After all, what would they know about democracy?

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Sanjeem

 

Get over it. Not everybody is up on their geography. I happen to be, so I've obviously heard of Burma and what the situation is over there. Unfortunately though there's no international consensus. The Chinese and Russian governments don't seem to care. After all, what would they know about democracy?

Sorry if i got a little pissed off your right friend...

 

But yeah what do the chinese and Russians know about democracy, It was the Chinese who provided the weapons for the Crackdown, when the Protests where at their highest.

 

 

 

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vinnygorgeous

I think your wrong about people not knowing about Burma, sure some people don’t give a sh*t about anything that happens outside of their own world but anyone who watches the news will know about Burma. It’s constantly used as an argument to prove the hypocrisy of western intervention, a small brutal regime that openly commits crimes against humanity but has no valuable resources for the west to tap, if there was oil there it would be a different story. The regime is afraid of sanctions and international condemnation, there is no excuse for the international community not to act, but educating people is not enough, do you really think governments pay any attention to millions of people marching in solidarity, they don’t, the sad fact is that the most recent attempt to spread liberty by force has caused so much damage to the west’s credibility that they wont act on Burma for a long time.

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Mad Tony

 

I think your wrong about people not knowing about Burma, sure some people don’t give a sh*t about anything that happens outside of their own world but anyone who watches the news will know about Burma. It’s constantly used as an argument to prove the hypocrisy of western intervention, a small brutal regime that openly commits crimes against humanity but has no valuable resources  for the west to tap, if there was oil there it would be a different story.  The regime is afraid of sanctions and international condemnation, there is no excuse for the international community not to act, but educating people is not enough, do you really think governments pay any attention to millions of people marching in solidarity, they don’t, the sad fact is that the most recent attempt to spread liberty by force has caused so much damage to the west’s credibility that  they wont act on Burma for a long time.

Oh please. If western governments wanted to invade a country just for their oil they'd go to Saudi Arabia. There's twice as much oil there. The fact that Burma doesn't have any oil is irrelevant, and it's not like Burma is the only oppressed country in the world. Besides, what about Afghanistan? As far as I know there's no oil there.

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vinnygorgeous

Oh please. If western governments wanted to invade a country just for their oil they'd go to Saudi Arabia. There's twice as much oil there. The fact that Burma doesn't have any oil is irrelevant, and it's not like Burma is the only oppressed country in the world. Besides, what about Afghanistan? As far as I know there's no oil there.

Saudi Arabia is completely different from Iraq its about access, Russia had access to Iraq oil, the west has access to Saudi Arabian oil, it’s a pro western regime, it has nothing to do with human rights you jackass, you probably believed the weapons of mass destruction argument before it was changed to humanitarian grounds.

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Sanjeem

Actually Vinnie, you say Burma doesn't have Oil as such, But it has minirals, Rice e.t.c. You know before The Brutal regime kicked in, Perviously Burma was the worlds trading country for Rice and Minirals. And you say somethinf wont be done for a long time, I think their will, Before i Die anyway. And right now i'm not even 16.

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vinnygorgeous

I am sure there will be sanctions soon there is growing political support in my country, I meant military intervention, the regime should be put on trial and executed. Burma is not going to be saved for rice c'mon, I'm not an expert but I'm sure rice is not the pride of Burma, and it's not a mineral unless your talking about food minerals but these are not natural resources are they, and besides why are you quibbling with me it's mad Tony who is spouting do nothing politics, I agree with you Burma is one of many on-going humanitarian crises that the west ignores, its disgraceful that they are allowed to oppress, murder at will and ethnically cleanse the Burmese people without any fear for their own well being. The problem is people like mad Tony not me, I fully support any action against the regime, Tony prefers to be the bitch of the likes of Bush and Blair and believes war is a moral function for the good of the people and believes anything he is told like a good little lap dog.

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Mad Tony

 

Oh please. If western governments wanted to invade a country just for their oil they'd go to Saudi Arabia. There's twice as much oil there. The fact that Burma doesn't have any oil is irrelevant, and it's not like Burma is the only oppressed country in the world. Besides, what about Afghanistan? As far as I know there's no oil there.

Saudi Arabia is completely different from Iraq its about access, Russia had access to Iraq oil, the west has access to Saudi Arabian oil, it’s a pro western regime, it has nothing to do with human rights you jackass, you probably believed the weapons of mass destruction argument before it was changed to humanitarian grounds.

Since neither of us are in a position high up in any of the governments that were/are involved in the Iraq, we really can't definitively say what the motives behind the war were. It's not a fact that the Iraq War is all about oil, it's merely one of the many perceptions of it. Now I completely respect your opinion on the Iraq War, but calling me a jackass just because I don't share your views on it is a little rude not to mention uncalled for.

 

What do you mean, "Russia had access to Iraqi oil"? Russia is a huge producer of oil, second only to Saudi Arabia. They don't import very much of their oil at all.

 

EDIT: There's absolutely no need to insult me when all I have done is have an opposing view to you. You say you oppose the regime in Burma who oppress those who oppose them, yet you're doing a similar thing - being hostile towards me just because I don't share your views.

 

Also, you're making it sound as if I approve of the regime in Burma, even though I have said nothing to that effect, quite the opposite in fact. I think military action against Burma is a possibility that should be considered, but at the moment I'm on the fence. It's not black and white you know.

 

Besides, any world leader who takes action against Burma will most likely face at least some tough opposition at home.

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vinnygorgeous

 

You don’t respect my view you started your point by going “oh please” like it was an erroneous assumption, it is a fact that Russia had secured the rights to Iraq’s oil. Your argument was simply ludicrous, if you think it was about global security then you are a jackass for believing it, they lied to the UN and they lied to you, it was all a shame, and it was not entirely over oil but it was a more influential factor than any humanitarian considerations, just look to who profits from the reconstruction, who was denied their legally secured property rights? You don’t have to be at the heart of government to know it was all about greed, you just have to paid attention.

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Mad Tony
You don’t respect my view you started your point by going “oh please” like it was an erroneous assumption, it is a fact that Russia had secured the rights to Iraq’s oil. Your argument was simply ludicrous, if you think it was about global security then you are a jackass for believing it, they lied to the UN and they lied to you, it was all a shame, and it was not entirely over oil but it was a more influential factor than any humanitarian considerations, just look to who profits from the reconstruction, who was denied their legally secured property rights? You don’t have to be at the heart of government to know it was all about greed, you just have to paid attention.

Saying "oh please" is a far cry from calling someone a jackass and hurling insults at them, wouldn't you say?

 

You need to elaborate on Russia's involvement with Iraq's oil. As I already said, Russia are a huge producer of oil and only import a very small amount of the oil they consume. Our opposing views on the subject are not fact, merely opinions. I'm happy to live and let live. You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not going to start throwing around childish insults just because I don't agree with you.

 

We should really get back on topic though, since this has nothing to do with Burma. Feel free to PM me (as long its civil).

 

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BigAmericanTitties

They should do something about Burma, but then it might turn into another Iraq (people will dissapprove of it, unless the government has a good justification. The USA could've easily avoided that by justifying that the Iraq War was to overthrow the Hussein regime.). The only problem I see with an invasion is the actual use of force and its consequnces. The country's economy is already in taters, and poverty has been high since a cyclone hit last year, an invasion will bring more. The civilian casualties and damage to infrastructure will, as in any war, most likely be high. I really think ASEAN and the UN should stand up to Burma, more than they already have. Avoiding having to invade Burma would be tough, the regime is not necessarily cooperative. If action is taken, it'll probably lead, unfortunately, to war. I think mass casualties can be avoided. Support for the government is low, and no internal coup has happened because of the junta's tight grip. The civilians will join the fight once equiped with weapons and and international support (but I think actual foreign forces will be needed).

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Sanjeem

My Thoughts exactly, Good Post.

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