Cheaters continuous presence almost everywhere

August 2, 2009

I use mods, but only in party mode, private free modes and single player.

I must admit, when I play online without mods, so many people use them, it gets so annoying. them could have teh decency not to ruin other users experience online

Me too. And I don't consider it cheating to run mods in free and party.

Running it in competitive modes however is a bad thing to do, as indeed it is cheating. Most mods don't work in those modes anyway.

And yes, they should have the decency to not disturb/harass other people.

August 3, 2009

The ease of cheat development is very relevant. It's the foundation of the problem.

Also I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees sjaak327 as a moron of epic proportions. I've been writing stuff with the sdk for a while and he continues to proceed to tell me how I do it is impossible. He has a repetitive tendency of this, in the OS security thread I kept giving technical details of why security firms apply vulnerability tags to vista and 7 along with xp and he kept repeating broad statements that in no way even remotely presented anything valid. There links he presented also suggested my side of the argument..

Edited August 3, 2009 by crackdawg

August 3, 2009

The ease of cheat development is very relevant. It's the foundation of the problem.

Also I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees sjaak327 as a moron of epic proportions. I've been writing stuff with the sdk for a while and he continues to proceed to tell me how I do it is impossible. He has a repetitive tendency of this, in the OS security thread I kept giving technical details of why security firms apply vulnerability tags to vista and 7 along with xp and he kept repeating broad statements that in no way even remotely presented anything valid. There links he presented also suggested my side of the argument..

I would appreciate if you stop calling people who disagree with you morons, not only is it bad form in debating, it is also showing your level of intelligence.

You must be utterly blind, as nowhere have I said that it is impossible for you to write stuff. I just stated (repeatedly, apparently without any effect whatsoever) that some trainers are not being developed in 15 minutes, the link that I posted is to a trainer I myself developed, and that surely not took me 15 minutes. Not once did I even refer to you writing on the SDK, I don't even care if you write for it or not, all I say is that your statement that Thousand Tugs was made in 10 minutes is utter bullsh*t, now your inability to even remotely present any proof for that statement isnt'surprising or shocking, you resorting to name calling is however.

In the OS thread that you mention, you indeed gave technical details, which didn't support your side of the argument, you did even say that registry virtualisation was in XP, and posted a link from Microsoft that clearly contradicted your own statement. The only link I presented there did in fact talk about NEW development into vista, it's surprising that you manage to twist the information there, to argue that Microsoft did not develop new features that make Vista safer, and referred to it repeatetly as marketing..

If you think something is a fact, doesn't necessarily make it so.

Sorry to the OP, but this post needs a reaction, I will not bother to post again to anything this particular poster has to say, as it is clearly not worth it.

Edited August 3, 2009 by sjaak327

August 4, 2009

The ease of cheat development is very relevant. It's the foundation of the problem.

Also I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees sjaak327 as a moron of epic proportions. I've been writing stuff with the sdk for a while and he continues to proceed to tell me how I do it is impossible. He has a repetitive tendency of this, in the OS security thread I kept giving technical details of why security firms apply vulnerability tags to vista and 7 along with xp and he kept repeating broad statements that in no way even remotely presented anything valid. There links he presented also suggested my side of the argument..

I would appreciate if you stop calling people who disagree with you morons, not only is it bad form in debating, it is also showing your level of intelligence.

You must be utterly blind, as nowhere have I said that it is impossible for you to write stuff. I just stated (repeatedly, apparently without any effect whatsoever) that some trainers are not being developed in 15 minutes, the link that I posted is to a trainer I myself developed, and that surely not took me 15 minutes. Not once did I even refer to you writing on the SDK, I don't even care if you write for it or not, all I say is that your statement that Thousand Tugs was made in 10 minutes is utter bullsh*t, now your inability to even remotely present any proof for that statement isnt'surprising or shocking, you resorting to name calling is however.

In the OS thread that you mention, you indeed gave technical details, which didn't support your side of the argument, you did even say that registry virtualisation was in XP, and posted a link from Microsoft that clearly contradicted your own statement. The only link I presented there did in fact talk about NEW development into vista, it's surprising that you manage to twist the information there, to argue that Microsoft did not develop new features that make Vista safer, and referred to it repeatetly as marketing..

If you think something is a fact, doesn't necessarily make it so.

Sorry to the OP, but this post needs a reaction, I will not bother to post again to anything this particular poster has to say, as it is clearly not worth it.

I know what I'm talking about, I actively use the tools you're telling me I don't know anything about. Also every other modder here thinks the same thing I do in regards to your statements. You're telling us we can't do what we've been doing for a good while now, and it's really annoying and misinforming.

So far you're the only one I've made direct ridicule towards, but for good reason. This isn't the only thread you've done this in. It's becoming a lot like trolling; luckily for you the moderation is really loose here.

Also in regards to the OS thread you where very clueless there too, there where actually 3 presentations at blackhat 2009 that even backed my side of the argument. You're coming on these forums and starting frivolous arguments with mostly inconsistent data based on phrases you've seen in mostly commercial literature. Every argument you've presented has yet to even suggest you're capable of giving consistent insight.

This will be my last response to the BS you're posting here. I think I've already gave in to your trolling enough.

Edited August 4, 2009 by crackdawg

August 4, 2009

40 lines of code, and this is just for one car, of course once this is done, you can simply copy paste, and change the keys and declarations.

Orrr, you write some dynamic re-useable code, instead of copy-pasting it for every setting

Edited August 4, 2009 by Intosia

August 4, 2009

40 lines of code, and this is just for one car, of course once this is done, you can simply copy paste, and change the keys and declarations.

Orrr, you write some dynamic re-useable code, instead of copy-pasting it for every setting

I did

Not all though, writing values to ini file, obviously need to be separate for each car, and I couldn't be bothered

August 4, 2009

I know what I'm talking about, I actively use the tools you're telling me I don't know anything about. Also every other modder here thinks the same thing I do in regards to your statements. You're telling us we can't do what we've been doing for a good while now, and it's really annoying and misinforming.

So far you're the only one I've made direct ridicule towards, but for good reason. This isn't the only thread you've done this in. It's becoming a lot like trolling; luckily for you the moderation is really loose here.

Also in regards to the OS thread you where very clueless there too, there where actually 3 presentations at blackhat 2009 that even backed my side of the argument. You're coming on these forums and starting frivolous arguments with mostly inconsistent data based on phrases you've seen in mostly commercial literature. Every argument you've presented has yet to even suggest you're capable of giving consistent insight.

This will be my last response to the BS you're posting here. I think I've already gave in to your trolling enough.

It is safe to say that it is YOU who benefits from loose moderation. Calling people, morons and other stuff should IMHO be enough reason to warrent a warning.

I try to keep this civil, you fail to do so. You also badly fail to actually read what I post, that's the most shocking, even though I specifically stated that I am not making claims about you, you still go on.

Where did I state that you don't know how to use the tools ? This is NOT about you but about your statement that tousand tugs was made in 10 minutes, now unless you are roberts91, you cannot possibly know.

That link I posted is to a trainer I developed, how could you possibly know how long it took me.

Now you think I am clueless, that's okay, your misplaced arrogance is apparant.

August 4, 2009

This code is already in the hook project files. I'd like to see the 40 lines it took just to load a vehicle. This will do tugging with the addition of a state change timer or condition, and by changing m_CarModel to MODEL_TUGA which might be 5 more lines or less. Doing it on targets uses ped conversions and blips..I'm not giving people help on griefing by putting that code here.

Enlighten me on how I'm the wrong one here. Every subject in the argument over validates my and others side of the argument...you're just trolling, or have no idea how to code.

 if ((GetAsyncKeyState(VK_NUMPAD9) & 1) != 0) { 	// load bike 	m_CarModel = MODEL_NRG900; 	RequestModel(m_CarModel); 	m_State = StateSpawnCar; }

case StateSpawnCar:	// Spawn the car model when its available { 	if (HasModelLoaded(m_CarModel)) 	{   Ped ped;   Vehicle vehicle;   f32 x,y,z;   Player playerIndex = ConvertIntToPlayerIndex(GetPlayerId());   GetPlayerChar(playerIndex, &ped);   GetCharCoordinates(ped, &x, &y, &z);   CreateCar(m_CarModel, x, y, z, &vehicle, true);   MarkModelAsNoLongerNeeded(m_CarModel);   m_State = StateDefault; 	} } break;}

Also referring to yourself as "People" is narcissistic. The rules for these forums works very much in my favor here considering this isn't the only thread you've trolled just in the last week, and multiple people find what you keep doing annoying.

Edited August 4, 2009 by crackdawg

August 4, 2009

Learn to read maybe ? The 40 lines of code did not refer to just spawning a vehicle, it refers to a user saving a vehicle, with all properties (like color, engine health, vehicle health, gasoline tank health, presence of components, position, dirt level), these properties are written to a file so that later on that same user can load the exact same vehicle into the game again (with the same color, engine health, vehicle health gasoline tank health, components, position and dirt level).

You utterly fail at actually reading my posts. I simple said, that there are trainers out there, that will NOT take 10, 15 minutes to develop. Including thousand tugs, of which you claimed it took 10 minutes (including VS compile time).

Calling me narcissistic is really calling the kettle black, as you don't even take the time to properly read what I have to say.

August 4, 2009

Learn to read maybe ? The 40 lines of code did not refer to just spawning a vehicle, it refers to a user saving a vehicle, with all properties (like color, engine health, vehicle health, gasoline tank health, presence of components, position, dirt level), these properties are written to a file so that later on that same user can load the exact same vehicle into the game again (with the same color, engine health, vehicle health gasoline tank health, components, position and dirt level).

You utterly fail at actually reading my posts. I simple said, that there are trainers out there, that will NOT take 10, 15 minutes to develop. Including thousand tugs, of which you claimed it took 10 minutes (including VS compile time).

Calling me narcissistic is really calling the kettle black, as you don't even take the time to properly read what I have to say.

Funny how none of the posts I quoted mention saving. But they show something, the is the ~3rd time you''ve changed the context here in your side of the argument. First it was tugs, then you added menus, then you added saving, and non of the posts I quoted show that as parts of the original arguments, which again, shows you're not here for the accuracy.

I read very well, apparently you don't cause you fail again.

Calling a kettle black? So you didn't refer to yourself as "People" as I have quoted and is still in the post?

August 4, 2009

How do I change the contect, that still stands,Thousand tugs wasn't written in 10 minutes, neither are some of the other trainers. You still fail to understand that my main conflict with you was the remark about that mod being doable in 10 minutes, and for your information that mod does have menus, so I would say that is very relevant to your unrealistic claim.

" I would appreciate if you stop calling people who disagree with you morons"

How is this referring myself to people ? What am I an animal ?

Just for accuracy, this is the quote I challenged you on:

" The thousand tugs mod can be written in about 10 minutes(that includes VC++ 2008 Express compile time.)"

Get the point now ?

August 4, 2009

How do I change the contect, that still stands,Thousand tugs wasn't written in 10 minutes, neither are some of the other trainers. You still fail to understand that my main conflict with you was the remark about that mod being doable in 10 minutes, and for your information that mod does have menus, so I would say that is very relevant to your unrealistic claim.

" I would appreciate if you stop calling people who disagree with you morons"

How is this referring myself to people ? What am I an animal ?

It wasn't when it was originally written no, that's irrational considering the first author has to research. Like I said, and you can quote this from my first post even(I'm paraphrasing here): It wouldn't take ten minutes to write it.

I showed how it was done, also that's not the only thing either, go read your own posts on what you've presented here. You're actually contradicting your own arguments now. You want to be right so bad you're exhausting your mind.

August 4, 2009

How do I change the contect, that still stands,Thousand tugs wasn't written in 10 minutes, neither are some of the other trainers. You still fail to understand that my main conflict with you was the remark about that mod being doable in 10 minutes, and for your information that mod does have menus, so I would say that is very relevant to your unrealistic claim.

" I would appreciate if you stop calling people who disagree with you morons"

How is this referring myself to people ? What am I an animal ?

It wasn't when it was originally written no, that's irrational considering the first author has to research. Like I said, and you can quote this from my first post even(I'm paraphrasing here): It wouldn't take ten minutes to write it.

I showed how it was done, also that's not the only thing either, go read your own posts on what you've presented here. You're actually contradicting your own arguments now. You want to be right so bad you're exhausting your mind.

Could you please point out to me one (1) case where I contradict myself ?

August 4, 2009

How do I change the contect, that still stands,Thousand tugs wasn't written in 10 minutes, neither are some of the other trainers. You still fail to understand that my main conflict with you was the remark about that mod being doable in 10 minutes, and for your information that mod does have menus, so I would say that is very relevant to your unrealistic claim.

" I would appreciate if you stop calling people who disagree with you morons"

How is this referring myself to people ? What am I an animal ?

It wasn't when it was originally written no, that's irrational considering the first author has to research. Like I said, and you can quote this from my first post even(I'm paraphrasing here): It wouldn't take ten minutes to write it.

I showed how it was done, also that's not the only thing either, go read your own posts on what you've presented here. You're actually contradicting your own arguments now. You want to be right so bad you're exhausting your mind.

Could you please point out to me one (1) case where I contradict myself ?

"I simple said, that there are trainers out there, that will NOT take 10, 15 minutes to develop."

I'm lazy so I just did one..

All past argument aside, even noob programmers here who have looked at what Aru has done know it's trivial making cheats with the SDK be it spawn flooding or positioning explosions at blip coords. Your entire argument is trying to deny that reality.

I'm the only one who has continued to argue it, but not the only one who realizes the logic is a bit off.

Edited August 4, 2009 by crackdawg

August 4, 2009

Crackdawg, sjaak327 is right, you must not be fully reading his posts or understanding them and are making flying assumptions. You are also insulting and egotistical, two qualities that further distance you from being the intellectual that you are desperately trying to pose as. Furthermore, where is your software? Sjaak327 has added to the community and taken steps to really help people. If you're as intelligent as you make yourself out to be then stop the hate, show some respect and quit acting like you're so righteous.

Edited August 4, 2009 by RedDawg

August 4, 2009

"I simple said, that there are trainers out there, that will NOT take 10, 15 minutes to develop."

I'm lazy so I just did one..

All past argument aside, even noob programmers here who have looked at what Aru has done know it's trivial making cheats with the SDK be it spawn flooding or positioning explosions at blip coords. Your entire argument is trying to deny that reality.

I'm the only one who has continued to argue it, but not the only one who realizes the logic is a bit off.

I never said no-one can make trainers that only take 10,15 minutes to develop...

I just said that there are trainers out there that will NOT take 10,15 minutes to develop. They take more, because they have more options.

Where indeed is the contradiction ?

I never denied that it is trivial to make cheats with the hook, I was just contradicting that thousand tugs would take 10 minutes to make, as it would clearly not. And I am contradicting that a complete trainer would take 10,15 minutes, but indeed you could argue what a complete trainer is, but it is safe to say, that after 15 minutes of coding, you would have a simple godmode and a bit of spawning, not much more.

August 4, 2009

"I simple said, that there are trainers out there, that will NOT take 10, 15 minutes to develop."

I'm lazy so I just did one..

All past argument aside, even noob programmers here who have looked at what Aru has done know it's trivial making cheats with the SDK be it spawn flooding or positioning explosions at blip coords. Your entire argument is trying to deny that reality.

I'm the only one who has continued to argue it, but not the only one who realizes the logic is a bit off.

I never said no-one can make trainers that only take 10,15 minutes to develop...

I just said that there are trainers out there that will NOT take 10,15 minutes to develop. They take more, because they have more options.

Where indeed is the contradiction ?

I never denied that it is trivial to make cheats with the hook, I was just contradicting that thousand tugs would take 10 minutes to make, as it would clearly not. And I am contradicting that a complete trainer would take 10,15 minutes, but indeed you could argue what a complete trainer is, but it is safe to say, that after 15 minutes of coding, you would have a simple godmode and a bit of spawning, not much more.

They don't for anyone who has experience with c++. Scripting.h exposes the entire API just by switching to it's source, and it's relatively small too what a average c++ coder experiences.

August 4, 2009

^ so, what is your point then, what has the number of natives in scripting.h has to do with anything.

Scripthing.h is just the natives that can be used in your code, many natives are not even in there, and need to be moved to scripting.h, by sometimes assuming the parameters, sometimes with guesswork and trial and error.

You cannot maintain that a trainer with the same options as thousand tugs, can be done in just 10 minutes. You need more, regardless whether you are experienced in C++ or not.

Code doesn't write itself you know..

August 4, 2009

Getting back to the subject of this thread, I agree 100%! I quit playing online about two months ago, and have only gone on once in that time and was instantly rolled up on by an enemy in team deathmatch, he blew up his car next to me, killing me than drove off.

I check these forums every weekend to see if a patch has been released to fix this complete failure of an online experience. I just wish I had checked these forums before I bought this game two days after it's release.

Lesson learned. I won't buy another game without reading user reviews. If they can't put out a game that works right from day one, they can't have my money. Maybe if we all adopt this attitude, the dev's will stop trying to make beta testers of us and put out a product that works 98% out of the box. I can understand a patch or two, but nearly a year in and three patches, and a maintenance update and they still havn't sorted this out. And I don't know if they even plan to sort it out.

Like I said, lesson learned.

August 5, 2009

I have a rather extreme idea on how to get it fixed. How about a bunch of us get the crappy mods the cheaters are using and crash every single server using the tugboat method. I mean every single last game. Work it in shifts so games are always being crashed. Just before every crash we post details on how to complain to Rockstar about the cheating. Keep this up for a few weeks and someone is bound to take notice. If not we might as well just give up on the multiplayer option. I for one will never buy another windows live game again thanks to all this. Although to be honest the tugboat crash problem is so bad right now I'm surprised nothing is being done already.

Edit: I've decided to uninstall the game for good. I didn't get one multiplayer game tonight that wasn't full of cheaters or crashed. I will never spend money on any Rockstar or Windows Live game where I want to use the multiplayer as they are incompentent.

Edited August 5, 2009 by Steven1101

August 7, 2009

@sjaak327: The natives have everything to do with it. The level of abstraction is the cause of my statements and this argument.

Still your statements are benign. Your argument continues to try to debunk something that is real and evident. You're telling me what I and others can literally go do right now is technically impossible.

If it wasn't trivial these threads wouldn't exist. Also the evidence of my side of the argument is everywhere, even right in front of you. Someone agreed with you, and someone agreed with me, but at the end of the day I'm the only in this argument with actual substance to back their claim, you literally have nothing but your own exhausting inconsistent rants both here and the OS security thread. The original claim you tried to debunk in this thread can actually conveniently be proven with actual source code and I actually did it in one of my other posts.

Summary of this post: Your arguments both here and the other thread have no substance/logic to even back them. I've provided more than I needed for my side.

August 7, 2009

@sjaak327: The natives have everything to do with it. The level of abstraction is the cause of my statements and this argument.

Still your statements are benign. Your argument continues to try to debunk something that is real and evident. You're telling me what I and others can literally go do right now is technically impossible.

If it wasn't trivial these threads wouldn't exist. Also the evidence of my side of the argument is everywhere, even right in front of you. Someone agreed with you, and someone agreed with me, but at the end of the day I'm the only in this argument with actual substance to back their claim, you literally have nothing but your own exhausting inconsistent rants both here and the OS security thread. The original claim you tried to debunk in this thread can actually conveniently be proven with actual source code and I actually did it in one of my other posts.

Summary of this post: Your arguments both here and the other thread have no substance/logic to even back them. I've provided more than I needed for my side.

Blah Blah Blah, you are unable to understand plain English.

You have done nothing to prove your claim that Thousand Tugs was made in about 10 minutes, as all you have done is posted already existing code made by Aru. All that code does is spawn a vehicle, and I have already said that this code takes about three minutes (like 10 posts ago), so how exactly do you figure that code does anything usefull to back up your claim, Thousand tugs doesn't only spawn vehicles...

I have never claimed what you can or cannot do, in fact how could I, the argument is about your unrealistic claim about Thousand tugs being made in 10 minutes, you did not make it, roberts91 did, and I know how long it took him, as at the time, he was at the IRC chat each night, to ask for advice. So it is very safe to say it didn't take him 10 minutes..

I never said to make some things using the hook is not trivial, my claim was that there are trainers out there that take a lot longer, I gave you two examples, one of them is actually made by me.

Anyway as I said, it is talking to a brick wall, but I would appreciate it that next time you actually READ people's post, before acting like an absolute jerk and calling people, stupid, uneducated and morons.

I am sure that someone who is so arrogant with self acclaimed intellect can do that ?

August 7, 2009

@sjaak327: The natives have everything to do with it. The level of abstraction is the cause of my statements and this argument.

Still your statements are benign. Your argument continues to try to debunk something that is real and evident. You're telling me what I and others can literally go do right now is technically impossible.

If it wasn't trivial these threads wouldn't exist. Also the evidence of my side of the argument is everywhere, even right in front of you. Someone agreed with you, and someone agreed with me, but at the end of the day I'm the only in this argument with actual substance to back their claim, you literally have nothing but your own exhausting inconsistent rants both here and the OS security thread. The original claim you tried to debunk in this thread can actually conveniently be proven with actual source code and I actually did it in one of my other posts.

Summary of this post: Your arguments both here and the other thread have no substance/logic to even back them. I've provided more than I needed for my side.

Blah Blah Blah, you are unable to understand plain English.

You have done nothing to prove your claim that Thousand Tugs was made in about 10 minutes, as all you have done is posted already existing code made by Aru. All that code does is spawn a vehicle, and I have already said that this code takes about three minutes (like 10 posts ago), so how exactly do you figure that code does anything usefull to back up your claim, Thousand tugs doesn't only spawn vehicles...

I have never claimed what you can or cannot do, in fact how could I, the argument is about your unrealistic claim about Thousand tugs being made in 10 minutes, you did not make it, roberts91 did, and I know how long it took him, as at the time, he was at the IRC chat each night, to ask for advice. So it is very safe to say it didn't take him 10 minutes..

I never said to make some things using the hook is not trivial, my claim was that there are trainers out there that take a lot longer, I gave you two examples, one of them is actually made by me.

Anyway as I said, it is talking to a brick wall, but I would appreciate it that next time you actually READ people's post, before acting like an absolute jerk and calling people, stupid, uneducated and morons.

I am sure that someone who is so arrogant with self acclaimed intellect can do that ?

The post where I posted code actually more than proves my side in the original argument. You don't understand linguistics enough to understand that if you continuously change context in a defending argument it shows you know you have no credible ground to stand on.

I actually understand comprehension and expression way more than you obviously do. I can actually use your own posts to show you have no clue; as I already have done. the 'blah blah blah' portion of your last post publicly demonstrates your level of intelligence and your real intentions here.

If you where not guilty of what you're accusing me of, you'd see where I actually told the code additions to Aru's code that would do a thousand tugs, I stated it blatantly clear.

Here is yet another one of your contradictions, literally contradicting the entire first half of your argument here. There are actually other instances of contradiction in just your last post that are pretty obvious after reading your first half of argument: "as all you have done is posted already existing code made by Aru"

Order of context change by Mr.Genius here: lines of code->development time->interface->feature set.

He wants to be credible so bad this will continue till the thread gets locked or one of us gets banned. His logic is way off and he's tucked tail on his own claims many times in this single thread. If I get banned I'll just go where people like him get kicked quickly and he'll just keep his conveyor belt of BS manufacturing his own brand here.

BTW I'll write a filtered trainer that proves my point even more, it's really easy.

Edited August 7, 2009 by crackdawg

August 7, 2009

I just stick to ranked, and there arent many echeaters there. Beside most of the time i play DM or TDM at aiport and fly anhninilator

August 7, 2009

The post where I posted code actually more than proves my side in the original argument. You don't understand linguistics enough to understand that if you continuously change context in a defending argument it shows you know you have no credible ground to stand on.

I actually understand comprehension and expression way more than you obviously do. I can actually use your own posts to show you have no clue; as I already have done. the 'blah blah blah' portion of your last post publicly demonstrates your level of intelligence and your real intentions here.

If you where not guilty of what you're accusing me of, you'd see where I actually told the code additions to Aru's code that would do a thousand tugs, I stated it blatantly clear.

Here is yet another one of your contradictions, literally contradicting the entire first half of your argument here. There are actually other instances of contradiction in just your last post that are pretty obvious after reading your first half of argument: "as all you have done is posted already existing code made by Aru"

Order of context change by Mr.Genius here: lines of code->development time->interface->feature set.

He wants to be credible so bad this will continue till the thread gets locked or one of us gets banned. His logic is way off and he's tucked tail on his own claims many times in this single thread. If I get banned I'll just go where people like him get kicked quickly and he'll just keep his conveyor belt of BS manufacturing his own brand here.

How does "yout" code prove that Thousand tugs was made in about ten minutes ?

Now before you start writing more of your drivel, just simply answer that question, instead of avoiding it.

You talk about me getting banned, I wonder why, all I did was state that Thousand tugs wasn't made in ten minutes, and that there are trainers out there that took much longer then your proclaimed 10,15 minutes..

In sharp contrast to your actions, as calling people stupid, uneducated and having no clue. If you can't maintain a level of respect in a debate, then why even participate in it, I'm sure there are places where you would be banned much more quickly then I, simply because of your unrespectfull actions.

"Order of context change by Mr.Genius here: lines of code->development time->interface->feature set."

No that was the case from the beginning, my statement was that Thousand Tugs wasn't made in 10 minutes, these only show the reasons why, but I doubt you actually know enough to understand that.

I don't have to be credible, you obviously fail to even look credible.

Oh and you got me to a point that I will utter another "uneducated" phrase: Yawn.

August 7, 2009

how about you guys stop arguing on this useless chat, i believe the topic was meant to know if r* or gfwl were going to stop the cheaters/griefers from harrasing players, and it has not been answered yet. What about the use punkbuster or something like that and a better kicking system for griefers?

August 7, 2009