norbi1988 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Statistics Average FPS: 61.48 Duration: 36.96 sec CPU Usage: 72% System memory usage: 60% Video memory usage: 99% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1440 x 900 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Texture Filter Quality: Highest View Distance: 25 Detail Distance: 37 Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Home Premium Service Pack 2 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT Video Driver version: 186.18 Audio Adapter: G³o¶niki (Realtek High Definition Audio) Intel® Core2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz ______________________________________________ Statistics Average FPS: 60.13 Duration: 37.14 sec CPU Usage: 77% System memory usage: 59% Video memory usage: 96% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1440 x 900 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Texture Filter Quality: Highest View Distance: 25 Detail Distance: 37 Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Home Premium Service Pack 2 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT Video Driver version: 190.38 Audio Adapter: G³o¶niki (Realtek High Definition Audio) Intel® Core2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz ^the rest options are on high^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgt.slaughter Posted July 22, 2009 Author Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) Does this still have the bullsh*t piece of crap stuttering that was introduced with the so called GTA IV "optimized" drivers, 180.84? Piece of sh*t nVidia, get your f*cking act together. What's your problem?If you don't want stuttering,there are two possible solutions for your problem in the pinned FAQ topic above this one...unless you have crappy hardware and are just taking it out on poor Nvidia. Well if you read through this thread you can see lots of problems having the exact same problem. The fault is not Rockstars. It's nVidias. They tried to "optimize" the game, but failed miserably. They should just have left it as it was before. No,it really is Rockstar Toronto's.If you read this topic,then you would've learned that quite a few people get a performance increase in other games,but not GTA IV.It's not Nvidia's fault that Rockstar Toronto made(or shall I say ported?)a game that just gets worse with every new driver update...besides,I don't think you can do any better.By the way,as I already mentioned,if you have stuttering,then look at the pinned FAQ topic: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=397064&st=0 Just scroll down to,"What can I do to improve stability and remove stuttering ?",or,"Why does my game work fine to start with then starts stuttering ?" And if your problem is still around,then downgrade to the drivers that work fine for you. And if the problem is still there,then it's not my problem you friggin' Nividia hater. Edited July 22, 2009 by sgt.slaughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKT70 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 The 180.84 set, used to be my fave set, but NOT overall. I play a lot of games, and can quite honestly say that I've never had a stuttering problem in GTA4, Bioshock, Far Cry2, Fallout 3, etc.. But I've found the next best set after the 180.84 set is the 186.18, or at least for me. This set worked flawlessly in the games I have installed, maybe not in every game, but the ones I primarily play. This set was also the set that didn't corrupt the individual game profiles, that I had with sets like the 181.xx, 182.xx drivers. But now, it's definitely the 190.38 betas, which are byte for byte identical to the WHQL set, thats giving me the best overall performance in GTA4, Far Cry 2, Fallout 3, Trackmania NF, STALKER CS, Grid, Call of Juarez - Bound in Blood, etc.. As for people getting stuttering, have you tried some slightly unconventional tweaking ? I say unconventional, because it's not for everyone, it goes against what people will tell you on various forums and tweak guides. For example, in Vista only, and possibly Win7. Turn off many useless, or unneeded services such as Application Experience - off Application Host Helper Service - off Application Layer Gateway Service - Turn on if you use Internet Connection Sharing Background Intelligent Transfer - Only use if you use Windows Update, I do mine manually Computer Browser - Not on a Network, turn it off. DFS Replicaion - Again, it's for synchronizing folders on a WAN. DHCP Client - Do you let your router assign your IP ?, or turn it off and do it manually. Diagnostic Policy Service - Never seen a use for this. Diagnostic Service Host - or this. Diagnostic System Host - or this. Distributed Link Tracking Client - or this. Fax - Don't use fax service ? Turn it off. IP Helper - Don't use IPv6 ? Turn it off. IPsec Policy Agent - More to do with remote services. KtmRm for Distributed Transaction Coordinator - Useless. Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) - Do people still use ICS ? NVIDIA Display Driver Service - Turn this off if you have a nvidia card, it's useless. ReadyBoost - Stupid idea, Useless service. Security Center - Hated this, if you use Windows Defender you will need this. Superfetch - A contentious little service this. This can lead to a bit of stuttering, as I have personally seen on a few PCs. You will lose a small bit of startup speed, and apps will launch slower, but more often than not I personally find it better off. No disk thrashing at startup, as it tries in vain to guess which programs you will use next and then loading them into memory. Again this a personal thing, and it may or may not help, but it can't help trying it off first, then setting it back to Auto if you find it's made your system worse. TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper - off Telephony - Turn it off, unless you still use a modem ? Terminal Services - off Terminal Services Configuration - off Terminal Services UserMode Port Redirector - off. Windows Defender - Turn it off, rubbish program. Windows Search - Haven't found it much slower with it off, when doing file searching. Windows Time - Off, get the time from a online atomic clock and set it yourself. Windows Update - I do all mine manually, but leave it on if you like it done automatically. Another disk thrasher is Windows System Restore. I turn mine on only to test drivers, and leave it on for a few days just incase I need to roll back. After that, it's off until I need it in the future. The above isn't for everyone, and may or may not help in any way, but I myself only run with about 30 services that I know I can get away with, even less if I could, and don't get any problems. You can test most services by stopping them and setting them to manual, then see if they startup the next time you reboot. Take a print-screen snapshot of how you have them running, then you can use that snapshot to set them back to default. Another thing than can help with stuttering is D3DOverrider, that comes with Rivatuner. Run the app, add your game exe, set app detection to medium, and have triple buffering and vsync forced on. Don't do this through the nvidia CP though, only in D3DOverrider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackdawg Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) When you take into consideration the fastest atx or matx setup you can build is lucky to get 65fps on average at 1600x1200, then you really have no reason to complain at ~32fps average at 1280x1024 and medium settings. Also XP gets way better FPS that vista and windows 7 for anyone wondering. The numbers speak for themselves. Edited July 22, 2009 by crackdawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JokerBoddy Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I really hope it doesn't make it stuttering again! I'm using the 186.18 version, because the 182.50 version (omg newer and better?) made me lose like 10 fps in GTA IV, making the game unplayable for my GeForce 9600 GT, since that I haven't updated my driver anymore.... Anyone else with a 9600GT that downloaded this new 190.38 driver care to share the experience?? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67257990206098020947 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I will test it Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Before :- CPU Usage: 90% After :- CPU Usage: 96% A 6.7% increase in CPU usage implies, to me, that the video drivers are doing 6.7% less processing. That's not a good thing, but I expect no different from nVidia these days. Disclaimer: I haven't played this game in months, and I haven't run that superficial benchmark in even a longer time, so maybe the CPU usage measurement is just as worthless as the FPS measurement; I don't know. 10% decrease in CPU processing is a good thing. Also too many people are ignorant the importance of the configuration of the OS. Of course a 10% decrease would be a good thing. Charlie's results, however, showed a ~7% increase. Are you confused, or am I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robi29 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 186.18: StatisticsAverage FPS: 25.24 Duration: 37.32 sec CPU Usage: 80% System memory usage: 90% Video memory usage: 97% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 1024 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: High Texture Filter Quality: Highest View Distance: 100 Detail Distance: 100 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Dodatek Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT Video Driver version: 186.18 Audio Adapter: SoundMAX HD Audio Intel® Core2 Duo CPU E4600 @ 2.40GHz 190.38: StatisticsAverage FPS: 27.56 Duration: 37.19 sec CPU Usage: 89% System memory usage: 89% Video memory usage: 97% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 1024 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: High Texture Filter Quality: Highest View Distance: 100 Detail Distance: 100 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Dodatek Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT Video Driver version: 190.38 Audio Adapter: SoundMAX HD Audio Intel® Core2 Duo CPU E4600 @ 2.40GHz Good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivecs Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 People people, you can't use the benchmark provided in GTAIV to differenciate performance like that. Its very unreliable, i can run 2 bencmark right now and i wont get the same result. You have to try it out yourself while playing. That's the only way to find out the performance difference between those drivers. And for me, i found it strange but only the old driver works best for my gta. I'm getting lots of stuttering with every newer driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sina09 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 the best driver for GTA IV is 180.84.trust me.it will give most FPS and reduce CPU usage greatly and the game runs much much more smoothly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchyK Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Well i had major stuttering with the 186.xx driver, but now with this new 190 driver it's gone, my overally fps is lower in the benchmark, however in game, it runs a lot smoother for me, so i'm quite happy. And for all those blaming nvidia for their crappy gta iv performance, do you even know how pc's work? Rockstar ported the game, and didn't do a great job, they've fixed lots of problems, and it's still one of my favourite games, but you can't blame nvidia for rockstar's port. the drivers run my others games fine, it's not nvidia fault they had to write s "special" set of drivers for gta iv, and they will not continue to write special drivers for one game, and it's ridiculous of you to expect them to. The graphics card/driver combination has to take all pc software into account, not one game, if you get a puncture in your car tyre, i assume you blame the oil company for giving you the use of a car in the first place too? Nvidia do a fine job, if you don't like it, get an ati card, see how many problems you stil have, because IT'S THE GAME at fault. Aaaah, i feel better now. MitchyK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcadgfawghaeheheahaeh Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 drool! power management controll for geforce 9! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro_PT Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 And for me, i found it strange but only the old driver works best for my gta. I'm getting lots of stuttering with every newer driver What "old driver" is that one? 180.84? Maybe that's a particular problem with the 9600 GT... you have the same card I have, and exactly the same problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivanandrs Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Well i had major stuttering with the 186.xx driver, but now with this new 190 driver it's gone, my overally fps is lower in the benchmark, however in game, it runs a lot smoother for me, so i'm quite happy.And for all those blaming nvidia for their crappy gta iv performance, do you even know how pc's work? Rockstar ported the game, and didn't do a great job, they've fixed lots of problems, and it's still one of my favourite games, but you can't blame nvidia for rockstar's port. the drivers run my others games fine, it's not nvidia fault they had to write s "special" set of drivers for gta iv, and they will not continue to write special drivers for one game, and it's ridiculous of you to expect them to. The graphics card/driver combination has to take all pc software into account, not one game, if you get a puncture in your car tyre, i assume you blame the oil company for giving you the use of a car in the first place too? Nvidia do a fine job, if you don't like it, get an ati card, see how many problems you stil have, because IT'S THE GAME at fault. Aaaah, i feel better now. MitchyK If all you got to do is b*tch about rockstar and GTA IV, why are you still playing the game? Why is it that some (including myself) can play perfectly fine with any driver and others cannot? Are you gonna continue blaming the game or the crappy computer you're trying to run the game on? Hey maybe im wrong...maybe i was lucky and got a good copy while some others got a defective one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jc84144 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Before :- CPU Usage: 90% After :- CPU Usage: 96% A 6.7% increase in CPU usage implies, to me, that the video drivers are doing 6.7% less processing. That's not a good thing, but I expect no different from nVidia these days. That isn't how it works. Some things are designed to run on the cpu, some things designed to run on the gpu. If the way you are thinking was true, he would be getting 1 or 2 fps, as software mode is a lot slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarface1994 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) This gave me a FPS drop on a GTX260. Edited July 24, 2009 by scarface1994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReVolut1on7 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Update gave me a slight FPS boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 So many negative and positive comments... I will not seriously update... GTANet | Red Dead Network | black lives matter | stop Asian hate | trans lives = human lives the beginning is moments ago, the end is moments away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarface1994 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 So many negative and positive comments... I will not seriously update... You'd do well, I know a lot of others that are having PC lag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchyK Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) @shivanandrs, did you actually read my post? Iwas saying that i think that gta iv is a good game, and it's not the drivers fault that the game doesn't always run smoothly and people should not complain about it. In future, read a post properly, before having a rant at someone. I was saying people shouldn't keep blaming nvidia, or ati for that matter, there are so many combinations of hardware that it's never gonna work 100% for everyone, and people should accept that and just enjoy the game for what it is. MitchyK PS. my "crappy" computer is better than yours in every respect, which is why i run gta iv just fine, i was only remarking on subtle differences between driver sets. Edited July 24, 2009 by MitchyK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivanandrs Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Well i had major stuttering with the 186.xx driver, but now with this new 190 driver it's gone, And for all those blaming nvidia for their crappy gta iv performance, do you even know how pc's work? Rockstar ported the game, and didn't do a great job, they've fixed lots of problems, and it's still one of my favourite games, but you can't blame nvidia for rockstar's port. the drivers run my others games fine, it's not nvidia fault they had to write s "special" set of drivers for gta iv, and they will not continue to write special drivers for one game, and it's ridiculous of you to expect them to.The graphics card/driver combination has to take all pc software into account, not one game, if you get a puncture in your car tyre, i assume you blame the oil company for giving you the use of a car in the first place too? Nvidia do a fine job, if you don't like it, get an ati card, see how many problems you stil have, because IT'S THE GAME at fault. Aaaah, i feel better now. MitchyK LOL! Hey man im sorry, i came across wrong. I did not mean to bash you or your computer. No hard feelings What i was really trying to say is why are you guys complaining about the game and it being a bad port when actually there is no major problem with it...i have completed it five times already without a glitch. Yes some people are having problems, i just don't see how it can be "the game fault" as you said. PS. I know my pc is about 3yrs old but at least i never had "...major stuttering with the 186.xx driver" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReVolut1on7 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Seriously, it just can't be that big of a deal to try and update drivers. You can always revert back. Stop complaining and arguing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchyK Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I'm not complaining at all, i was remarking how many people are and they all blame nvidia, which is silly. They can always go get an ati card, but they'll still have problems. Because the game is very demanding. I often switch between drivers to see how they run, as i have 2TB of disk space currently and 4 OS'es to play with. For me vista64 has been the most reliable and smooth for gta iv, and the 190.xx drivers are running everything quite nicely. @shivanandrs, no worries dude, i wasn't complaining about the game being a bad port, i was merely saying people should stop complaining about the drivers, nothing will ever be perfect with how many different combinations of components are out there to build pc's with. I'm perfectly happy with how gta iv runs on my PC, and how my drivers handle it. I'm glad you can run it fine too. If anyone has problems when updating drivers they should make sure they've removed the old drivers properly first, to avoid any conflicts. Also has anyone experienced their monitor trying to run at 25Hz with the new drivers? It did it to me upon installation, on the desktop and also the first time i ran gtaiv, just switched them back to 60Hz, so wasn't a problem, as my monitor will handle 25Hz, just! MitchyK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollercoaster Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Does this still have the bullsh*t piece of crap stuttering that was introduced with the so called GTA IV "optimized" drivers, 180.84? Piece of sh*t nVidia, get your f*cking act together. What's your problem?If you don't want stuttering,there are two possible solutions for your problem in the pinned FAQ topic above this one...unless you have crappy hardware and are just taking it out on poor Nvidia. Well if you read through this thread you can see lots of problems having the exact same problem. The fault is not Rockstars. It's nVidias. They tried to "optimize" the game, but failed miserably. They should just have left it as it was before. No,it really is Rockstar Toronto's.If you read this topic,then you would've learned that quite a few people get a performance increase in other games,but not GTA IV.It's not Nvidia's fault that Rockstar Toronto made(or shall I say ported?)a game that just gets worse with every new driver update...besides,I don't think you can do any better.By the way,as I already mentioned,if you have stuttering,then look at the pinned FAQ topic: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=397064&st=0 Just scroll down to,"What can I do to improve stability and remove stuttering ?",or,"Why does my game work fine to start with then starts stuttering ?" And if your problem is still around,then downgrade to the drivers that work fine for you. And if the problem is still there,then it's not my problem you friggin' Nividia hater. As I said, the game was working fine (no stuttering) for most people BEFORE nVidia released the 180.84 drivers. Then when those drivers were released, nVidia introduced a "fix" that was supposed to improve performance, but instead made the game stutter for some of us. The point is that the game was fine as it was. Then nVidia came along, tried to play smart, and released a "GTA IV optimized"-driver for this particular game. They designed the driver full of bugs, and now many people with nVidia cards, especially the older 8800-series have terrible stuttering issue, that did NOT happen before. And I don't see why you tell me I can't do better...do I look like a company that makes video cards to you? I am a customer, and therefore my opinion matters. I've looked through the pinned FAQs and none of the options there helped me. I tried the supposedly "main fix", the memrestriction, but it didn't work. So this can only be a driver related issue. I decided to downgrade to 179.48, and now my game runs perfect and better than with all the newer drivers. And for the record, I am not saying that this is your problem in any way. I didn't ask you to respond to my post. You did it of your own free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Before :- CPU Usage: 90% After :- CPU Usage: 96% A 6.7% increase in CPU usage implies, to me, that the video drivers are doing 6.7% less processing. That's not a good thing, but I expect no different from nVidia these days. That isn't how it works. Some things are designed to run on the cpu, some things designed to run on the gpu. If the way you are thinking was true, he would be getting 1 or 2 fps, as software mode is a lot slower. Actually, you are mistaken in this specific circumstance. We all know that GTA IV is a very CPU intensive game, mainly due its piss-poor graphic's engine. His CPU usage increase would actually explain his slight FPS increase, not contradict it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReVolut1on7 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bldrgnslyr Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 If your not going to make a valid point ReVolut1on7, dont bother commenting. And i tried out these drivers this morning and got a few fps drop. I've reverted back to 186.08 which work best for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReVolut1on7 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 (edited) Huh? I simply ageed to the above post. What's wrong with that? You don't always have to write a 10-row post. Everything I wanted to say was written above. This is a weird forum.. I guess we aren't allowed to voice our opinions here. And with all due respect, sir, I comment to whatever I want to, whenever I want to. Period. if you don't like it, don't read it. Over and out! Edited July 25, 2009 by ReVolut1on7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLTZKRG Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 (edited) There was no increase/decrease in IV for me, but I did get a considerable frame rate boost in games based on the Source engine. Left 4 Dead on 180.84 was at 110 tops, now I easily go above 140. EDIT: grammar Edited July 26, 2009 by BLTZKRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivanandrs Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 There was no increase/decrease in IV for me, but I did get a considerably frame rate boost in games based on the Source engine. Left 4 Dead on 180.84 was at 110 tops, now I easily go above 140. Same here, no noticable difference in GTA IV. FPS in most of my other games remain at 60 (vsync always enabled in NV Control Panel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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