Top 3 most powerful characters

[ZayDaGawd]

Im guessing it would have to be CJ, Tommy and maybe Dimitri.

 

CJ led the biggest street gang in LS(and by doing that airplane cheat thing, it's could be the biggest street gang in all other cities too.) He owns a mod garage in San Fierro,along with a toy shop and an auto deal shop too.

 

He is a part owner on most like the biggest casino in LV. Not only that but he has Toreno on his side. Along with Sweet,Cesar, Woozie(leader of the most powerful organized crime gang in the state.) Not to mention a tank,jets,and airstrip,quary and all kids of stuff.

 

So I think CJ is the number 1 most powerful character.

 

Then you got Tommy. Owns the whole city. Controls the drug trade in the city. Lives in the biggest mansion in the city. Leader of his own gang. Owns property all across the city constantly making him money. The only thing holding him from that number 1 spot is lack of contacts.

 

 

But I dont really know who's number 3. You could say Dimitri, or Diaz in his prime but IDK.

[bobgtafan]

CJ, Tommy, Vic in order from greatest to least.

[NickJ47]

Ok...

 

1. Tommy - as Ps2_master94 said, he amassed what is probably the biggesy criminal organisation Vice City had ever seen. He is feared, and an ex-hitman, hence being number 1.

 

2. Carl Johnson - achieved much. Took the Grove Street gang from Street Thugs to legendary status, hence his rating as number 2.

 

3. Victor Vance - Achieved much during his time in Vice City. Established legal and illegal rackets, and acknowleged as a skilled criminal, hence being rated number 3.

 

My decision to place Tommy number 1 will probably be scutenised by some people, I even admit I was a little biased, but hey, HE"S SO AWESOME!!!!!!1!one1!!!

 

Nick

[Tyla]

1) - Jon Gravelli

 

I think the strongest character in terms of sheer power has to be Jon Gravelli. He just screams echo's of Carlo Gambino to me. He is hospitalized and appears weak and frail, yet he is under constant personal guard by either a bodyguard, or a government agent, I'm not sure who the guy on his door is. The first story of Gravelli's prowess comes from several years ago, when he was going to kill the uncle of Don Giovanni Ancelotti, but ultimately spared him, something else which can relate him to Carlo Gambino, who did a lot of the same thing, and this was known as "Gambino's mercy". By sparing him, it can be fair to assume that Uncle Ancelotti was then indebted to Jon Gravelli for the rest of his life, therefore keeping the Ancelotti Family at bay.

 

When Gambetti Family Don, Sonny Cangelosi, died in 1978, it's possible that the family went into turmoil, and could have been behind the Pavano and Lupisella Families in terms of power. Things changed when Jon Gravelli took over. He turned the family fortunes around like Les Dennis on Speed. It can be assumed, again much like Carlo Gambino, that Jon Gravelli became allied with the Dukes Based counterpart of the Lucchese Family, the Messina Family, led by Harvey Noto. The Messina Family were fairly weak, and with Noto's steering hand, became a dominant force on the Commission.

 

The Gambetti's are traditional sworn enemies with the Pavano Family, which in the days before 1990, were led by a Mr Pavano, the un named Don that was the husband of Mary Valvona. During those wars, Jon Gravelli survived with his life, and also survived being convicted on any serious charges. It's safe to say that the Gambetti Family won the war, because they became the strongest force on The Commission.

 

Gravelli is a close friend of the U.L Paper agent, and does favors for him in return for political protection. I think it's safe to say, that Jon Gravelli proberly has a lot more people in his pocket than U.L Paper.

 

He began to suffer with his health in 2005, having serious kidney problems. One of his fiercely loyal aides, Roy Zito, cut out his own kidney to donate to Gravelli in tribute, presenting it to him in a bucket of ice - proberly the most notable mark of the respect and power Jon Gravelli held.

 

He is also connected to former secretary of security enforcement in Liberty City; Bobby Jefferson, and uses his influence to put the crackdown on the up and coming Russian Mafia. It's worth noting that Niko Bellic shows serious respect to Jon Gravelli, and that maybe Niko thinks "this guy is the real deal".

 

Overall, Jon Gravelli is my personal strongest GTA character. He has strong personal morals, and was one of the remaining old school mafiosi. It can be assumed he not only had connections in Liberty City, but all over the US, and possibly even worldwide, judging by how quickly he and UL Paper found Darko Brevic in Bucharest.

 

2) - Tommy Vercetti

 

Tommy Vercetti is the classic strong, silent type of guy. However, a man in his position doesn't speak when necessary, he speaks when he wants to. After the initial drug deal screws up, Tommy decides to hunt down the people responsible, starting by getting the low down at Cortez' party, and making himself some contacts. This eventually leads to the deaths of Leo Teal and Gonzales, through intelligence passed on by Kent Paul and Cortez respectively. Tommy then meets Lance Vance, and is ready to give him a kicking until Lance proves his use, a classic Tommy Vercetti decision.

 

With Lance Vance in tow, Tommy is also introduced, and strikes up a budding friendship with Texan real-estate developer Avery Carrington, basically Vice City's version of Donald Love, who is also present.

 

Down to Cortez' good word, Tommy is introduced to Ricardo Diaz while having Diaz under the illusion that he is Cortez' muscle. When Diaz' deal goes bad, Tommy makes sure Diaz and the transaction are protected, winning him Diaz' trust, and setting the wheels in motion for his plan to rub Diaz out. He begins to work for Diaz, meeting him, and keeping his calm and cool attitude while Diaz rages on, to the amazement of his two bodyguards. While Lance gets increasingly annoyed by Diaz, Tommy uses the opportunity to learn more about Diaz.

 

When Lance tries, and fails to kill Diaz, Tommy made the executive decision to act, and rescued Lance from the hands of Diaz' men. There are a couple of loose ends concerning Diaz and his protection though, and although not seen in the game, I think it can be applied that Diaz' two personal bodyguards, Mike and the other one(I like to call him incompetence, who accompanies useless 'mike'), were approached by Vercetti, or impressed with Vercetti's attitude, and Tommy told them to stay away and there would be a job waiting for you when the Diaz situation is blown over - they stayed away, as they are not seen in Rub Out. This is just speculation, but I think it's a testament to Tommy's intelligence and thinking ahead.

 

Tommy cuts off from the Forelli Family, not completely though, as though Tommy works for personal gain, it can be applied that several of his side quests concerning assets are "Plan B's" if the Forelli's demand money, such as the bank job, and the counterfeit money. When Sonny sends his Enforcers, brutal bastards by anyone's judgment, Tommy, infuriated by the way they had roughed up old man Kelly, kills each one of them. This prompts Sonny to turn up at Tommy's estate, and the rest is history.

 

Tommy's right hand man Lance turns on him before his very eyes, and ruins Tommy's plan of paying off the Forelli's with the fake cash. Although the player can see that Tommy is a little swayed by Lance's actions, Tommy knows how to channel that into anger, as seen when he confronts Sonny Forelli, and the shootout that follows. Tommy's actions singlehandedly ruined the Forelli Family; the power that they held before the events of '86 never being replicated. Sonny died, it can be assumed Giorgio died, and Lance died, as well as the countless associates and soldier's. Tommy emerges as the strongest man in Vice City, as the original poster said, he controlled the cities drug trade and owns a large number of assets and property across the city.

 

It can be fair to say that the only way for Tommy's organization was up after '86. Avery Carrington could have been a VERY useful contact for Tommy in terms of getting a massive hold over the city through construction, and also control of unions. And why stop at Vice City? Avery could have been based in Liberty, and "Avery Construction" scaffolding could be seen in San Andreas. And then there is Cortez, who is a high ranking official in which ever South American country he was from. Cortez could have dealt Cocaine with Tommy in order to boost the funding of the country he came from; as they say, "Cocaine is currency". And there's also the counterfeit money.

 

I would say that a number of new gangs would emerge in Vice City, but Tommy wouldn't wipe them out, instead opting to extort them, in the manner of charging them a cut of whatever they make if they want to continue operating on his turf.

 

3) - Victor Vance

 

A man who neither wanted, nor liked the business he came to dominate in 1984, but kept his cool and did what he had to do when faced with the stark choice of "build an empire or be crushed". Victor ran several empire rackets, ranging from protection, prostitution, to robbery and drug smuggling. In the time period that these events took place, it's fair to say that drugs were the biggest racket in the country, and to control the drugs trade in one of the main parts of the country where drugs come through the port, means big business.

 

He stuck to his personal morals, and got away from the life after seeing a person he held dear to him killed because of the business he was into. With revenge dished out, the Vance Brothers decided to skip town and lay low. I won't go into what followed or what is speculated to have followed.

[NickJ47]

1) - Jon Gravelli

 

I think the strongest character in terms of sheer power has to be Jon Gravelli.

 

*Snip*

Interesting choice.

 

Nick

[ZayDaGawd]

Come on, Victor is more powerful than CJ? Get real.

[Omnia sunt Communia]

Come on, Victor is more powerful than CJ? Get real.

He had an empire that was larger than CJ's and even Tommy's (I'd say). I think it's easy to assume that he is more powerful than CJ is terms of power and influence. Though he let it all go at the end.

 

I agree with Tyla's choices 100%.

[ZayDaGawd]

Come on, Victor is more powerful than CJ? Get real.

He had an empire that was larger than CJ's and even Tommy's (I'd say). I think it's easy to assume that he is more powerful than CJ is terms of power and influence. Though he let it all go at the end.

 

I agree with Tyla's choices 100%.

Victor didnt even run the city, Diaz did.

 

[TonyClifton]

I'd definitely go with John Gravelli as the most powerful. I wondered how powerful Ray Bulgarin is too - he seemed to have a huge influence and a lot going on in Eastern Europe. And what about Wu Zi Mu? Young for a triad leader, but seemingly very powerful.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

1. Carl Johnson - He had a powerful empire and several assets. His businesses all made profits, he was a one man army who could change the strength of a gang against one that is stronger and make it the opposite way. One thing Tommy lacked was a lot of connections like Carl has.

 

2. Tommy Vercetti - A very powerful empire which was feared by everyone in the city and he was also a one man army who would set up work and do it all by himself. Therefore he was still strong without having that many connections.

 

3. Vic Vance - He had a very powerful empire as well. To an extent he wiped out every other gang in the city and made his own gang rule every corner of the streets. Problem with him was, he didn't have any interests in crime and only did it because he had to.

 

And Jacky @ Beat Boomshine Blowout then come talk about Vic's empire, lol!

[Sergi]

Come on, Victor is more powerful than CJ? Get real.

He had an empire that was larger than CJ's and even Tommy's (I'd say). I think it's easy to assume that he is more powerful than CJ is terms of power and influence. Though he let it all go at the end.

 

I agree with Tyla's choices 100%.

Ok lets go by game stats. Even if you owned the whole city with Vic the most you could pull daily was around 60k a day. Vic was no doubt powerful but by SA end CJ had way more assets, stake in a casino, led a powerful gang, was a manager to a successful rapper had connects with the CIA and Vic had what exactly? CJ easily was the most powerful person in the entire state of SA while Vic wasn't even the most powerful in Vice.

 

1. Kenny Petrovic. He was stated to possibly run all Russian Organized Crime in America so that right there easily would put him at the top of the list. If Dimitri who was also quite powerful feared him then Petrovic no doubt has clout.

 

2. Claude Wome. He was a African warlord so that alone makes him extremely powerful. Not to mention he was huge in the illegal diamond trade.

 

3. Bulgarin. He was said to have ran a human trafficking ring and I'm going to guess he dealt with drugs as well. He was sated to be very powerful so I'd give him the 3rd spot.

 

All in all their are actually alot of very powerful guys we've seen in the GTA series so my list could very much be very off but I didn't really feel like getting to in depth or dodin much research lol.

 

Now in terms of GTA protagonist.

 

1. CJ. He ran the entire San Andreas sate by SA end, had dozens among dozens of properties, a stake in a huge casino, led the most powerful gang in LS and I'm pretty sure he would have dwelved into the entertainment industry after hitting it big managing Mad Dogg, the Families would have more then likely spread across the entire state and eventually the US like the Bloods and if Beta SA would have released then Families would have been statewide and you could have owned and built your own casino's. Then throw on top he had connections to the CIA so CJ could very well have become somewhat like Freewya Ricky ross who was 1 of the biggest cocaine traffickers in US history and the biggest in LA history. It was quite evident the Families dealt with drugs just not crack but it would have been suicide if they didn't get involved with the crack game later down the line so I'm going to suggest that GSF and the Families as a whole would have gone into the crack trade somewhere in the 90s. If CJ is still alive by now I doubt he'd still be involved with the gang life and more then likely would solely work with his entertainment field.

 

2. Tommy Vercetti. He ran Vice by game's end and had a huge cocaine empire. He owned dozens of properties and had no real opposition as he took out everyone that could rival him. I'd suggest by now he's still quite powerful if he's still alive but I don't think he'd still have a monopoly on the cocaine trade in the city.

 

3. Vic Vance. Well he was the obvious next step. He made millions of the coke trade and worked as a middleman between the Mendez Cartel and helped the Diaz Organization get to the top. He owned dozens of properties as well and was involved in numerous rackets.

 

 

[FFRJ]

You know everyone has put Tommy above Vic but if you made all of his assets crack disturbtion or the high end ones he probably made more. He owned more assets and made more on a day to day basis. He also destoryed rival gangs in the proseess raising his profits. I think that Vic was much richer than Tommy. But Carl still made more money and had a bigger gang so my list is

 

CJ

Vic

Tommy

[Flesh-n-Bone]

The maximum you can get from Vic's assets is $190,000. That is if you have maximum respect on all empire types and all the sites are turned into high roller robbery.

[Omnia sunt Communia]

You've got to take inflation into account when comparing the amount of money made by CJ and Vic's empires. Vice City Stories is set in 1984 and San Andreas in 1992, the value of money changed drastically from one date to the other. I'm not sure of the exact figure but I'm sure Victor's figures would be closer to CJ's when inflation is taken into consideration.

[XZGamer71]

I agree, Jon Gravelli, probably the most Powerful. Then Tommy and then Probably Vic. Short and Sweet.

 

Xz

[ADAMJR67]

1. Tommy, after all he did take over vice city.

 

2. CJ, reunited the families recruited gangs and killed his homies even though they had been friends for ages.

 

3. Vic, took over an empire.

[Jack O' Brian]

1) Tommy Vercetti: He took over Vice City, He is the King of Vice

2) CJ: Reunited his gang led em to the top

3) Viv Vance:...

[EzaH]

In all honesty, Niko. The only man that can take down a hole family or gang alone.

 

Plus he uses tactical 'red army sh*t bro'.

[XZGamer71]

In all honesty, Niko. The only man that can take down a hole family or gang alone.

 

Plus he uses tactical 'red army sh*t bro'.

I don't recall him in any bringing any Gang down at all. There are a few things close like Faustins Russian Bratva (Which Dimitri and Petrovic helped with might i add), but Dimitri just took the spot like that *Clicks fingers*, plus Gerald helped you weaken the Ancelotti and... The Pegorinos... Need i say more?

 

Xz

[EzaH]

In all honesty, Niko. The only man that can take down a hole family or gang alone.

 

Plus he uses tactical 'red army sh*t bro'.

I don't recall him in any bringing any Gang down at all. There are a few things close like Faustins Russian Bratva (Which Dimitri and Petrovic helped with might i add), but Dimitri just took the spot like that *Clicks fingers*, plus Gerald helped you weaken the Ancelotti and... The Pegorinos... Need i say more?

 

Xz

GTA IV's one of the most least violent games yet at the end of the game Niko's body count

is almost always over 900. In missions he's killed at numbers 20 to 50 guys by himself. Not

to mention he's taken out truck loads of swat teams. In shear man power Niko wins. But in

status I believe CJ wins, he's owned more and gained more than any other protagonist.

[iamanevilbastard]

Alright, if it was protagonists, none of these characters would be on this list. Spoilers ahead, so if you ain't finished GTA 3, Sna Andreas and maybe LCS, then don't read this post.

 

3 Wu Zi Mu

 

First off, he runs whats probably the most powerful crime organisation in San Andreas. He is a part owner of a casino. And he's mates with the most powerful protagonist: CJ. If he went ot war and got CJ involved, CJ would get the GSF involved and then the GSF would get the help of the Aztecas and that'd be a sh!tload of guns, money and manpower. Oh, and I've forgotten the military vehicles.

 

 

2 Donald Love

 

I'm surprised no one has listed him yet. He's so tough that two of the protagonists have worked for him and he runs a goddamn media company. A media company. This means that he can brainwash the minds of all the people who tune in to his company's services. Additionally, the contents of the package which Claude goes to great lengths to acquire for him would have to be an object of vital impotance to get the FBI and army interseted (you are chased by the FBI and army in a couple of missions to acquire this package.)

 

 

 

1 Mike Toreno

 

Why he hasnt' been listed yet is beyond me. He is an agent ina shadowy government agency which seems to be more powerful than the FBI or DEA. He's either CIA, NSA, Homeland or someother option, either real or not.

 

He's a master of mind warfare. He f*cked around with CJs head, made him do all sorts of risky sh!t, from stealing a fighter jet from an aircraft carrier to blowing up a plane of rogue agents. Personlly, I have no doubt that he could do all this himself, beaus eof his training. Also, he says words to the effect of "i'd do it but I've got all these spooks watching me". There are a few reasons he'd be under heavy surveliance:

 

1 Loyalty is under question

2 Hugely powerful

3 Well trained, combat proven, dangerous wildcard.

 

Then there's the power of his agency. Which do you think would win: a Mafia, the Triads,a media company or the f*cking government?

 

There's also the high firepower and ammunition in his shack: a minigun, an RPG, a heat seeking bazooka and a flamethrower.

 

Toreno's probably good mates with Jack Bauer as well. Hell, I should just finish here, but I have one more thing to add.

 

Toreno is highly trained and has used his skills in the field. Evidence

 

1 There's a cutscene where Toreno sneakls up behind CJ and puts him in a headlock or choke, I can't recall which. He then says he could kill him in (i think it was 19 or was it 9?) different ways.

 

2 If you refuse to learn to fly, then you'll get a phone call from Mike. He'll say that CJ is scared. CKJ will say that he ain't. Toreno will then say that no one has felt fear untill they've gone into a huge terrorist arms bazaar, unarmed and with a huge suitcase full of cash.

Edited July 6, 2009 by iamanevilbastard

[TreyCrll]

1) Carl Johnson-Rags to riches type life story, Contacted with one of the biggest rappers in the GTA world (Mad Dogg), In connection with the government (Mike Torreno), In conection with asian triads and owns a stake in their casino, Owns multiple buisnesses and properties aroung the STATE(!!!!!) not just a city like everyone else, Public Enemy #1 in LS, LV, and SF, Set for life when it comes to money, and to top it all of he is in controll of the most powerfull and legendary street gang in the GTA iniverse. He truely is a badass.

 

 

2) Jonny Klebitz- Contacted with multiple Latin and African-American gangs, Contacted with multiple drug lords, dealers and pushers, has the Low Down on multiple exclusive hard to find weapons, hard life-style making him tougher and roudier, controlls what seems to be an endless big-money biker gang, and not afraid to kill for a purpose even if it's someone close to him, but also helpfull to those who are loyal to him.

 

 

3) Lil Jacob- Ok, So he's npt very powerfull, but when you thing about it his contacts have him covered for favors. Niko is connected to the mafia, Elizibeta controlls the city's biggest cocaine ring, Badman is lwader of the biggest jamacan crime sydicate in the city, and he sells weed, giving him plenty of other high-life and low-life contacts that we don't even kno about.

 

And that's my opinion.

[zeppelincheetah]

Donald Love (during GTA III), Tommy Vercetti (after you've completed the story) and Salvatore Leone that is, before he was killed in III

[Sergi]

In all honesty, Niko. The only man that can take down a hole family or gang alone.

 

Plus he uses tactical 'red army sh*t bro'.

I don't recall him in any bringing any Gang down at all. There are a few things close like Faustins Russian Bratva (Which Dimitri and Petrovic helped with might i add), but Dimitri just took the spot like that *Clicks fingers*, plus Gerald helped you weaken the Ancelotti and... The Pegorinos... Need i say more?

 

Xz

GTA IV's one of the most least violent games yet at the end of the game Niko's body count

is almost always over 900. In missions he's killed at numbers 20 to 50 guys by himself. Not

to mention he's taken out truck loads of swat teams. In shear man power Niko wins. But in

status I believe CJ wins, he's owned more and gained more than any other protagonist.

What does any of that have to do with you saying Niko could take down a whole family or gang? He took out vital leaders to certain organizations but that's about it and leaders are always replaced so he put a stop to certain organizations either for awhile or made them loose money and or turf but that's it.

 

Also your body count may always be over 900 but that must be because you kill everyone. You do know that unlike past GTAs you don't automatically kill someone after shooting them up unless once they hit the ground you keep shooting or you get them in vital places like the head? I only had 579 murders by the time I completed my storyline and that's because I only killed guys I had to kill like in executions or guys you couldn't let go in missions. Other then that I hardly killed civilians and only killed cops or rivals when I had to.

[General Goose]

Yep, there's a walkthrough on GamesFAQ, the point of which is to minimise your casualties. They've got body counts of 40, and even around 25.

[Sanjeem]

We'll All the GTA Protagonists that end up to be powerfull are only powerfull and badass because i play them. I theyd didn't have me they would still be in a one bedroom apartment in Vice (Jokes i'm not that good )

 

But i liked Tommy in the way that he was powerfull and had no mercy.

[Rucke]

Most powerful character? It has to be the mayor in Liberty City or maybe Donald Love in GTA III.

 

Here is my top 3 most powerful characters list:

 

1. Donald Love

2. Mayor Miles O'Donovan

3. Mayor Roger C Hole

[bobgtafan]

I forgot Love....Ok then

Donald Love

CJ

Vic