flameweilder Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 A few months ago, I posted a topic asking for help on running Grand Theft Auto IV on the following specs: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ 2.31 GHz 2 GB RAM NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 64 MB graphics card Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 32-bit Here's what it ran like: In short, it ran at 2-3 frames per second, didn't load the surrounding environment, and shut up a lot of those guys complaining that they weren't getting 60 FPS. Well, I've bought a new graphics card, a PNY NVIDIA GeForce 9600GT 512MB card, and the performance of the game increased to unknown proportions. Here's the new video: It now runs at 30+ frames per second at medium settings, and at about 25 frames per second on highest. I never thought the improvements would be so drastic. Of course, the third patch was installed was well, but that didn't make much of a difference from having no patch at all (I've run it both ways). SO, for all you people who keep poetically preaching that it's the quad core CPU that counts and that the graphics card is never enough to run the game playably, HERE YOU GO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgt.slaughter Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) I actually had the exact same graphics card and it looked and ran like in the Youtube video too!But then,I found it...an Nvidia 9800 GT,now,the game runs like a beaut.Oh yeah,you're right about the last part of your post,good for you . Edited July 3, 2009 by sgt.slaughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jc84144 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Well of course. Your original card was so awful. It was under the minimum specs, thus your bottle neck was the GPU. But, now you're bottle neck will your your CPU. As in, upgrading that graphics card to anything higher with that dual core, and you probably wont have any significant speed increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExitiumMachina Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Well of course. Your original card was so awful. It was under the minimum specs, thus your bottle neck was the GPU. But, now you're bottle neck will your your CPU. As in, upgrading that graphics card to anything higher with that dual core, and you probably wont have any significant speed increases. Yep, graphic card can only do so much...Quad Core will see even greater improvement. 6150SE isn't all that good anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeddyH Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Higher number = Better performance CPU = 100 Old Card = 5 New Card = 10 Old Card + CPU = 105 New Card + CPU = 110 New Card Wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Only 5 pts difference between 9600 and 6150? Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikt Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Pentium 4 @ 3.2GHz (Single core) + HD4830: Core 2 Quad @ 2.5GHz (Q8300) + HD4830 The CPU and RAM changed (the whole system exept for the gpu ) and the game ran as smooth as .. things. Oh, and my settings on the new computer are this: Resolution: 1280*1024 Aspect Ratio: auto Texture quality: High Reflection resolution: Low Water quality: Medium Shadows: Very High Texture filter: Highest View Distance: 0 Detail Distance: 100 Density: 30 Defenition: Off (Enables the motion blur and DOF if set at off) VSync: Off (Kills framerate, and i prefer FPS over a stable screen without tearing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighttree Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE Oh my god are you serious? Almost any card is better than that, of course it makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunGt Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE Oh my god are you serious? Almost any card is better than that, of course it makes a difference. You're right, I also had a bad graphic card (7600GS) and now I have an ATI 4830, the difference is huge, although I still have an AMD 3800+ 2ghz x2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arski Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) My old Radeon 9600 Home PRO pwns that crappy 6150SE btw i got a Core 2 Duo 2.53GHz (Normal Speeds, No overclock) and a hd 4850 512mb i got: Resolution: 1680x1050x60Hz (MAX) Texture Q: Medium All Other: High Draw Distance: 20 Detail Distance: 25 Vehicle Density: 30 Shadow Density: 0 20-60FPS (20 If Bad Weather & Driving fast or something like that) (60 if inside house, or booth tunnel...) Average FPS (own rate): 28 and my Benchmark: 39.48FPS... i didnt spent alot to my system: i bought 9400GT and the C2D 2.53Ghz at christmas, then i saw the 9400 sucks so good friend of mine sent me a HD 4850) And this is how we roll Video card, Check. CPU, check. GTA IV, check. thats how we roll. and why not overclock? -Because i was reading finnish forums, and there one guy said that the Core 2 Duo 2.53GHz + INTEL DG35EC MBO is not good at overclocking, because he overclocked and when the overclock was on 2.6GHz the system was restarting itself all the time and when he put 2.7GHz whole system fall down. and i am a beginner at overclocking, i have no idea how to do it. Edited July 3, 2009 by Arski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchyK Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 You don't say what settings you're using with either card in game, without that the comparison isn't worth an awful lot. You could run low settings with integreated graphics, and get 10fps, then install a decent card, put all settings through the roof, and only get 5fps with the better card, but that would make it look like it runs worse, so what settings are you using? Of course a dedicated card is going to improve things, but i can tell you after upgrading 4 pc's to run gta iv on, IT IS THE CPU that's the cause of MOST people's performance problems. MitchyK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafour Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 64 MB graphics card Geforce 4 mx style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_slav Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 My PC runs it at 46fps and I have a 2gb card and a quad core CPU, I dont know whats wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELETEDUSER Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 What should be wrong with that? Ma¹ bolje kot jaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standart Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 My PC runs it at 46fps and I have a 2gb card and a quad core CPU, I dont know whats wrong? Crazy resolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murcchachosa Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I have the mobilel paopt version 9600M GT. All games runs like charm. I know the 9600M GT is not like the desktop. But hell, can runs all games on medium/high. A new videocard from nVidia 9600GT series to high-end are the best. But Im amazed the 6150SE can startup the game wtf man. nVidia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azkay Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I dont see why the game wouldnt start, even with the oldest of cards. The only reason I would see the game not starting, is if it had some checking system which closed if X videocard or better wasnt installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollercoaster Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Okay captain obvious. Your original graphics card was absolutely sh*t, no wonder it makes a difference...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juscal Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 A few months ago, I posted a topic asking for help on running Grand Theft Auto IV on the following specs: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ 2.31 GHz 2 GB RAM NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 64 MB graphics card Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 32-bit Here's what it ran like: [snip] In all honesty, I dont know too much about early ATI and Nvidia cards. All I know is with a 64MB card it will not be a very happy experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murcchachosa Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 But come on. An old sh*t GPU with 64 MB and can startup the game. And that for such very heavy game. A miracle LOL I know the 6150SE is old and very outdated, think about it. Most GPU wich has bad shaders/clock and all, will give error when you startup the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireItUp Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Most pointless thread ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jc84144 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I dont see why the game wouldnt start, even with the oldest of cards.The only reason I would see the game not starting, is if it had some checking system which closed if X videocard or better wasnt installed. If your graphics card doesn't support the correct shader model, you have serious problems. I don't know any game which starts when running on a graphics card that doesn't support the minimum shader model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustardnick Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I have the same card with A Core 2 Quad 2.67 Runs 35+ on mostly maxed out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackdawg Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I could get the same hardware to go at least 13fps with some BIOS and windows optimizations. I think most peoples problems are a install and go mentality towards computer usage. You know...people with a couple dozen startup processes, all the visual effects, lots of desktop icons, and constant backups and indexing along with everything in admin tools->services on enabled. Of course don't forget dust bunnies. I've seen people with dust so bad it starts creating huge hard clumps in fans and heat syncs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_slav Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 My PC runs it at 46fps and I have a 2gb card and a quad core CPU, I dont know whats wrong? Crazy resolution? only for a 19" monitor i think its 1280X1024 I turned AA, vsync and clip capture off too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faro0485 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 A few months ago, I posted a topic asking for help on running Grand Theft Auto IV on the following specs: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ 2.31 GHz 2 GB RAM NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 64 MB graphics card Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 32-bit Here's what it ran like: In short, it ran at 2-3 frames per second, didn't load the surrounding environment, and shut up a lot of those guys complaining that they weren't getting 60 FPS. Well, I've bought a new graphics card, a PNY NVIDIA GeForce 9600GT 512MB card, and the performance of the game increased to unknown proportions. Here's the new video: It now runs at 30+ frames per second at medium settings, and at about 25 frames per second on highest. I never thought the improvements would be so drastic. Of course, the third patch was installed was well, but that didn't make much of a difference from having no patch at all (I've run it both ways). SO, for all you people who keep poetically preaching that it's the quad core CPU that counts and that the graphics card is never enough to run the game playably, HERE YOU GO! You should have gotten a 9600gt 2gb, that would have probably been better than most graphics card with this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhand Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Its an absolute miracle you were able to even get 1-2 FPS with your original card. That card was far FAR below the minimum specs for any 3D game released in recent years, so of course, upgrading to a card that actually meets the minimum requirements for the game would have drastic affect. It was literally the difference between no graphics card (thats how bad your original card was) vs. a graphics card. With your new graphics card though, as other people have pointed out, if you want to see more of a performance gain, you would need to upgrade your CPU. Knowing what component to upgrade in your computer is easy when you understand how bottlenecks work in computers, but your choice to upgrade your graphics card first was the most definatly the right one, since that was the weakest link in your PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyAntiMOD Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) I cannot understand why ur new gpu is faster than ur old one. I am running GTAIV on my Commodore C64 with Action-Replay-Memory-Extension and Datasette Drive. That runs much better than on my Amiga 500+. Better sell ur Pc or swap it with an Atari 2600 with hamster-wheel-power-supply. That will do it. Edited July 6, 2009 by OnlyAntiMOD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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