HuangLikeALee Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Luis is killable in and outside of missions in GTA4, Johnny can be killed in certain missions. The question. Did Rockstar just wing it with DLC? Because I shot Luis like 20 times in the head in 3 leaf clover and then stabbed him a couple of times and when I did museum piece there he is, no bandages or nothing. I have a PS3 but I played TLAD and really didn't like it but BGOT sounds a bit better except for these PLOT HOLES. On another note, it is possible to kill Packie, Derrick, Michael Keane, Ma McReary, and Kate. Packie can be killed on Undertaker and Three Leaf Clover, and everyone else can be killed on Undertaker. Just blow the cars up after the mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrixone Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Luis is killable in and outside of missions in GTA4, Johnny can be killed in certain missions. The question. Did Rockstar just wing it with DLC? Because I shot Luis like 20 times in the head in 3 leaf clover and then stabbed him a couple of times and when I did museum piece there he is, no bandages or nothing. I have a PS3 but I played TLAD and really didn't like it but BGOT sounds a bit better except for these PLOT HOLES. On another note, it is possible to kill Packie, Derrick, Michael Keane, Ma McReary, and Kate. Packie can be killed on Undertaker and Three Leaf Clover, and everyone else can be killed on Undertaker. Just blow the cars up after the mission. But you are not meant to kill them. And think about TLAD, also there you are have possibilty to kill niko and i think i blew up luis car in TLAD when i followed car that drove to the oposite direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mae King Fuch Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 well it actually makes sense,because niko and johnny(as well as all gta 3 and later protagonists)don't ever "die".they just have to go to the hospital.does'nt matter if they've been shot to hell or blown to bits.hospital everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjoii Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The same can be done with Johnny of the Lost and Damned. I really doubt that Rockstar 'forgot'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 It's just a game, DAMN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuangLikeALee Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 The same can be done with Johnny of the Lost and Damned. I really doubt that Rockstar 'forgot'. No one but the protags respawn at the hospital and in IV Luis isn't the protag.So if he dies in IV he is dead for good. If he dies in BGOT, he just respawns at the hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger8 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The same can be done with Johnny of the Lost and Damned. I really doubt that Rockstar 'forgot'. No one but the protags respawn at the hospital and in IV Luis isn't the protag.So if he dies in IV he is dead for good. If he dies in BGOT, he just respawns at the hospital. Captain Obvious, everyone. Bravo Sherlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagemred Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 well it actually makes sense,because niko and johnny(as well as all gta 3 and later protagonists)don't ever "die".they just have to go to the hospital.does'nt matter if they've been shot to hell or blown to bits.hospital everytime. Wait, so... Dimitri respawned at the hospital!?!!?... ohh sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuangLikeALee Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 The same can be done with Johnny of the Lost and Damned. I really doubt that Rockstar 'forgot'. No one but the protags respawn at the hospital and in IV Luis isn't the protag.So if he dies in IV he is dead for good. If he dies in BGOT, he just respawns at the hospital. Captain Obvious, everyone. Bravo Sherlock. LOL. I love it how arrogant you sound about me being captain obvious yet I doubt you read half the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foohy Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) The same can be done with Johnny of the Lost and Damned. I really doubt that Rockstar 'forgot'. No one but the protags respawn at the hospital and in IV Luis isn't the protag.So if he dies in IV he is dead for good. If he dies in BGOT, he just respawns at the hospital. Did R* ever say "only protagonists are immortal"? I didn't think so. You can shoot Michelle in the head as much as you want but she'll still be in Snow Storm. You can shoot all your friends with rocket launchers but they will still be in their appropriate missions. IT'S A GAME!!! And a sandbox game at that...If R* had to make it impossible to kill every story character then you wouldn't be able to interact with them. And if you didn't interact with them then none of the missions would be possible. Do all your rampages get in the Liberty Tree? What about all your murders of random peds? No!! As a rule of thumb in sandbox games: only things that happen in cut scenes and scripted events are considered 100% cannon seeing as you have complete control when not in a cut scene. Seriously, have you never played a sandbox game before? I suggest you grasp this concept or you will be disappointed with many many MANY games that also follow this rule of thumb. LOL. I love it how arrogant you sound about me being captain obvious yet I doubt you read half the thread. Wow...just wow. Are you really that ignorant? You don't have to read half the topic (or any of it, actually) to understand that this is NOT A PLOT HOLE. I challenge you to find a sandbox game where EVERYTHING you do fits into the story. Here's a helpful tip: YOU WON'T Edited July 1, 2009 by foohy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NawlinsIrish Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Luis is killable in and outside of missions in GTA4, Johnny can be killed in certain missions. The question. Did Rockstar just wing it with DLC? Because I shot Luis like 20 times in the head in 3 leaf clover and then stabbed him a couple of times and when I did museum piece there he is, no bandages or nothing. I have a PS3 but I played TLAD and really didn't like it but BGOT sounds a bit better except for these PLOT HOLES. On another note, it is possible to kill Packie, Derrick, Michael Keane, Ma McReary, and Kate. Packie can be killed on Undertaker and Three Leaf Clover, and everyone else can be killed on Undertaker. Just blow the cars up after the mission. it's called suspension of disbelief, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 This has been brought up several times and doesn't warrant its own topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serbian warrior Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Luis is a key Charactre. Rockstar made him killable so there wouldn't be any suspicion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic_Al Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 This is kind of pedantic, but if you kill a character and they come back later then that proves you didn't kill them. The game often says "you injured your friend" when it seems like you've killed them, and in fact your friends do respawn at the hospital and ask you to pick them up. Rockstar could be criticized for being inconsistent, by not making Luis' death in Three Leaf Clover a fail condition while Johnny's death in Museum Piece is a fail condition. It's possible Rockstar was trying to preserve secrecy that Luis would be a protagonist, but since "no civilian casualties" was supposedly a rule during Three Leaf Clover, killing any civilian should have been a fail condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Like others have said, this has always been apart of sandbox games. I mean think about imagine if you say killed Packie, and he was permanently erased from the rest of the story? It would be realistic, but it would suck. When you blow the sh*t out of a ped with a rocket launcher, it's possible for them to be revived by the medics. In real life if someone was blown up by a rocket launcher they would be in a million pieces. At the end of the day it's just a video game. Not everything needs to be consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFRJ Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 well it actually makes sense,because niko and johnny(as well as all gta 3 and later protagonists)don't ever "die".they just have to go to the hospital.does'nt matter if they've been shot to hell or blown to bits.hospital everytime. This is your explantion. Have a great day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrixone Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 If you kill luis in the mission he will respawn in hospitel like niko. If luis is in a mission and he got killed than he will sent to the hospital too. From these 2 things you can learn: If luis is in the bank robbery, when he cant go anywhere but he tries too he will get killed by mcrearies and he will sent to the hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkpile Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 It's just a game, DAMN! hell yes. plot holes even include dating kate. many of you are annoyed of kate because she won't put out and does not have a special feature. so you rather avoid meeting her...then you wonder how niko can be so emotionally touched when she gets shot. it is supposed to date and conversate with her. just like it was supposed to not kill johnny or luis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The GTA Guy Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 It's just a game, DAMN! hell yes. plot holes even include dating kate. many of you are annoyed of kate because she won't put out and does not have a special feature. so you rather avoid meeting her...then you wonder how niko can be so emotionally touched when she gets shot. it is supposed to date and conversate with her. just like it was supposed to not kill johnny or luis. I never thought it like that, I mean dating Kate. I could see it when I first time played it with Revenge and Kate gets killed, Niko really pissed of to Pegorino and really wanted kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger8 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 It's just a game, DAMN! hell yes. plot holes even include dating kate. many of you are annoyed of kate because she won't put out and does not have a special feature. so you rather avoid meeting her...then you wonder how niko can be so emotionally touched when she gets shot. it is supposed to date and conversate with her. just like it was supposed to not kill johnny or luis. I never thought it like that, I mean dating Kate. I could see it when I first time played it with Revenge and Kate gets killed, Niko really pissed of to Pegorino and really wanted kill him. If you go about ignoring Kate until the wedding, she'll act distant and distrustful of Niko. But hell, if your date was gunned down at your cousins wedding, AND you happened to be a badass like Niko then his revenge portion on Pegorino would seem realistic. Plus Jimmy P all but exposes his ass to Niko as he fires an AK at the crowd at the wedding, very well endangering everyone in Niko's life. But then again, it's just a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foohy Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 It's just a game, DAMN! hell yes. plot holes even include dating kate. many of you are annoyed of kate because she won't put out and does not have a special feature. so you rather avoid meeting her...then you wonder how niko can be so emotionally touched when she gets shot. it is supposed to date and conversate with her. just like it was supposed to not kill johnny or luis. Well even if you ignore Kate it's pretty obvious she still likes you. Not to mention Niko and Packie will become friends throughout the story. So even if you ignore her it makes sense that Niko would be rather upset at the death of his friend's sister who had a 'crush' on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunglikeafruitbat Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 It's just a game, DAMN! hell yes. plot holes even include dating kate. many of you are annoyed of kate because she won't put out and does not have a special feature. so you rather avoid meeting her...then you wonder how niko can be so emotionally touched when she gets shot. it is supposed to date and conversate with her. just like it was supposed to not kill johnny or luis. ROTFL.....Then it put's the lotion on it's skin, or it get's the hose again!...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahblah1212 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I can't believe no one mentioned that even if you do kill him he reappears in GTA IV for two missions after; "Museum Piece" and "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Theft Auto Dude Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Wouldn't it be a little obvious that they were the DLC protagonists if you failed a mission if you killed them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackal1337 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 i dont think u can see Luis during Museum Piece, at least u cant in normal IV, i searched museum with video editor but no sign of luis, u can see johnny in Museum Piece and if you kill him game will say: "Johnny is dead" i dont think luis is in museum after all if he is there, you would be able to kill him, what about message would appear if luis dies? "Luis is dead"? that couldnt mean mission failure it would actually be plus for niko as luis ambushed their deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahblah1212 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 i dont think u can see Luis during Museum Piece, at least u cant in normal IV, i searched museum with video editor but no sign of luis, u can see johnny in Museum Piece and if you kill him game will say: "Johnny is dead" i dont think luis is in museum after all if he is there, you would be able to kill him, what about message would appear if luis dies? "Luis is dead"? that couldnt mean mission failure it would actually be plus for niko as luis ambushed their deal Oh yeah, I forgot. Luis is added in TLAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAFTERMATH Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 They are alternate realities Think about the end of GTA IV, do you see how there is 2 alternate realities based on your decision? If I play the game twice changing each decision then I get a different result and it exists as a alternate reality from my previous game. The main game and the the DLCs are happening at the same time in three separate perspectives and in several alternate realities. Of course they all interact with each other at one time or another in the cannon of timeline but there outcomes will be different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destructoBoi420 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 did you ever notice when you kill a ped then an ambulance will rush to the rescue and revive them, even if you set him on fire, stab him, run him over, and shoot him until the paramedics show up and they will ALWAYS revive them, so that should close this topic unless losers with nothing else to do want to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spank-head69 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Luis is killable in and outside of missions in GTA4, Johnny can be killed in certain missions. The question. Did Rockstar just wing it with DLC? Because I shot Luis like 20 times in the head in 3 leaf clover and then stabbed him a couple of times and when I did museum piece there he is, no bandages or nothing. I have a PS3 but I played TLAD and really didn't like it but BGOT sounds a bit better except for these PLOT HOLES. On another note, it is possible to kill Packie, Derrick, Michael Keane, Ma McReary, and Kate. Packie can be killed on Undertaker and Three Leaf Clover, and everyone else can be killed on Undertaker. Just blow the cars up after the mission. But you are not meant to kill them. And think about TLAD, also there you are have possibilty to kill niko and i think i blew up luis car in TLAD when i followed car that drove to the oposite direction. How did that not end the topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darion7591 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 plot error it always happen in games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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