Anti Aliasing....

[The Horror Is Alive]

Well we are getting tired of people like you dredging the same sh*t over and over again.  It has been over 6 MONTHS god shut up about, if you feel that hard done by then piss off and do a letter to Rockstar but stop spamming a FAN forum with the same old drivel over and over again.

 

I don't think it is a sh*t port myself I don't think it is any worse or better than the last GTA's port wise.  I haven't had a problem with the game since DAY ONE, but then I wasn't expecting 2560 x 1600 all settings maxxed running on a bloody 8400gs.  Now you have registered your protest we are all aware that you don't like the game and you are not a happy bunny so how about you leave the PC section then eh ?

I like the GAME. I hate the PORT.

 

You're right, it has been over six months. And guess what? THE PROBLEMS ARE STILL NOT FIXED! I don't dredge the forums in my anti-Rockstar posts like some people do (with reason, I might add), but I am pissed off that I paid $80 for something that doesn't even work right out of the box.

 

But I guess I'll never change your point of view, Charlie. It's always gonna be "you're on a fan forum, so I expect to hear stuff like 'oh the game has low FPS and glitchy graphics, but that just adds to the overall experience. I love you Rockstar! I wanna make babies with you!'"

 

No thanks. I will continue to bitch about my GTAIV problems until they are fixed.

Ok well if you dont feel you got your moneys worth ya should have taken the game back and got a refund and not had it at all. All you people who are complaining should be on consoles. Seriously, the game had problems ok, we bitch and moan for the first month about it and then after can't we just stop and put it behind us. R* isn't going to do anything else, its not worth it for them. Why would they waste money on a already failed game in your complainers opinions.

 

I felt like I got my moneys worth, 60$ and I get a game that had some problems. But now I got it working and it pretty good on my new PC and mediocre on my laptop. Not the best optimized or whatever, but its what I expected.

 

And I really dont think Mafia II or Alanwake will run much better than GTAIV. We will see, but suck it up and stop complaining.

 

Its been multiple months of non-stop blows against GTAIV, how long will this go on?

 

Oh well, all you guys and your stupid posts will keep CCs finger clicking busy. I dont think theres been a week go by were we havent seen a stupid thread thats been locked.

 

Also, AA is the last thing I would complain about, the online is probably the biggest problem. I find it really stupid when people say, "FFS EVEN THE CONSOLE HAD AA" really shows how informed the majority of the complainers are. It also shows that they never probably even played the console version.

You know, the only reason people like you try and stand up for what is a totally sh*t port of a game is because you wanna suck up to CC and be made a mod.

 

And I won't return the game because (a). I can't, it's been too long now; and (b). I don't want to, because it is fun to play no matter how sh*t the port job is.

 

I never said I hated the game. I HATE THE sh*tTY PORT OF IT.

 

It seems there are three types of people in the GTAIV PC forum:

1. Common; these ones just bitch and moan about GTAIV PC.

2. Common; these ones suck up to CC and the other mods, trying to be backseat mods themselves. Tough titties, bitches, but you'll probably never become mods.

3. Rare; these ones just partake in the discussion of the actual game, without really bitching/praising the port job at all.

[tacopowered]

Rockstar said this game was rebuilt from the ground up on PCs and futureproof, but there's not even an optional DX10 mode?

 

This game is a bad port, but Rockstar won't admit it, and they won't spend the effort to fix those issues either.

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As gamers we're pretty screwed:

 

A:Don't buy the game and Rockstar gives us the finger even more than they've been doing.

B:Buy the game and Rockstar knows they can get away with this.

[Nietzsche's God]

Rockstar said this game was rebuilt from the ground up on PCs and futureproof, but there's not even an optional DX10 mode?

 

This game is a bad port, but Rockstar won't admit it, and they won't spend the effort to fix those issues either.

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As gamers we're pretty screwed:

 

A:Don't buy the game and Rockstar gives us the finger even more than they've been doing.

B:Buy the game and Rockstar knows they can get away with this.

I don't think it is broken for it to be fixed. It is just a horrible imperfection that we all have to come to accept. The only thing left to do is not to have the anticipation of R* implementing the AA for GTAIV, but to hopefully think that maybe when R* do make the next installment of GTA (V), they will come to the realization how beneficial for the sales of the game will be if AA is added to the game. And, from what I see here, I would not be surprised to see that if they didn't add the AA in the next game, there still be the same amount (or more) that will go and buy it anyway. I know I would.

[The Horror Is Alive]

Rockstar said this game was rebuilt from the ground up on PCs and futureproof, but there's not even an optional DX10 mode?

 

This game is a bad port, but Rockstar won't admit it, and they won't spend the effort to fix those issues either.

=================

As gamers we're pretty screwed:

 

A:Don't buy the game and Rockstar gives us the finger even more than they've been doing.

B:Buy the game and Rockstar knows they can get away with this.

I don't think it is broken for it to be fixed. It is just a horrible imperfection that we all have to come to accept. The only thing left to do is not to have the anticipation of R* implementing the AA for GTAIV, but to hopefully think that maybe when R* do make the next installment of GTA (V), they will come to the realization how beneficial for the sales of the game will be if AA is added to the game. And, from what I see here, I would not be surprised to see that if they didn't add the AA in the next game, there still be the same amount (or more) that will go and buy it anyway. I know I would.

GTAIV PC was just a quick buck for R*. Fortunately, they didn't get away with it this time.

[Arski]

damn, i hope they will release a good patch with AA's

[Lollercoaster]

damn, i hope they will release a good patch with AA's

I don't think that will happen. Last patch was 1.0.4.0 to prepare the game for the gold master build pressing. This means that all retail games released from now on will include 1.0.4.0...so I doubt they will care about making more patches now.

 

Anyways, I could care less about AA. If you have so much problems with it, up the resolution a bit and sit a bit further back from the screen.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

It seems there are three types of people in the GTAIV PC forum:

1. Common; these ones just bitch and moan about GTAIV PC.

2. Common; these ones suck up to CC and the other mods, trying to be backseat mods themselves. Tough titties, bitches, but you'll probably never become mods.

3. Rare; these ones just partake in the discussion of the actual game, without really bitching/praising the port job at all.

So you will fit nicely into category No. 1 then since all you do all day on here is bitch and whine and moan and bitch and whine and moan. I don't even know why you are in this AA thread your crappy PC can barely play GTA 4 at 1024 x 768. If GTA 4 had AA could we safely assume you would be bitching and moaning that your PC couldn't use it ?

 

The people that defend GTA against cretins like you appreciate it is a fantastic game, but like ALL GTA's it is not perfect. We don't mind discussion the problems but then we get people like "The Horror Is Alive" coming in and seizing a chance to have yet another whine and hissy fit about the game it is next to pointless.

[JohnZS]

damn, i hope they will release a good patch with AA's

I don't think that will happen. Last patch was 1.0.4.0 to prepare the game for the gold master build pressing. This means that all retail games released from now on will include 1.0.4.0...so I doubt they will care about making more patches now.

 

Anyways, I could care less about AA. If you have so much problems with it, up the resolution a bit and sit a bit further back from the screen.

I fear you might be right... however this could also be a sign that good things are on the way, for instance if a game is to be re-released there as to be some incentive from a Marketing point of view to "plug the game", by that I mean "Lost and the Damned has been released for GTA IV... .." or something along those lines. This will generate fresh interest in the game and people will go out and buy it (if they have not done so already).

IMHO there has to be a reason to re-send the game to the presses with a new build.

John

[Jigglyass]

It seems most of you can't understand the fact that ITS TOO RISKY FOR R* TO IMPLEMENT AA AT THIS STAGE.

The game has its own share of the problems and attempting to make RAGE support DX10 would cause even more bugs.

Either play and enjoy or GTFO.

 

 

[OutOfTimer]

Everyone knows that there will be no AA. But this game is one of my all time favourites and I love it so much that I'm going to whine about the lack of AA and DX10 every day. You know why? 'Cause I wish so much it was in and the next awesome game will happen in 5 years or more. There were 3 awesome games in my life. 1994, 2007 and... GTA IV. So I'm kinda desperate.

[JKM]

Everyone knows that there will be no AA. But this game is one of my all time favourites and I love it so much that I'm going to whine about the lack of AA and DX10 every day. You know why? 'Cause I wish so much it was in and the next awesome game will happen in 5 years or more. There were 3 awesome games in my life. 1994, 2007 and... GTA IV. So I'm kinda desperate.

so why Dx10 in 5 years more and not Dx11?

Windows 7 comes with Dx11 and there will be new graficcards.... so why not using Dx11 in 5 years or more xD

[JohnZS]

GTA IV already uses some DirectX11

I am now using Windows 7 RC and I can tell you this, it takes a matter of seconds to encode a 1080p video using the GTA IV Video editor compared to just under a minute on Vista. why so? Because DirectX11 has a feature called DirectX Compute, which uses the CUDA 2.2 driver on my graphics card to encode video.

So technically some aspects (well one aspect) of GTA IV uses DirectX11....now if only R* did what vALVE have done for their newer Source Engine Games (Episode 2 and Left4Dead) where it queries the DirectX version and uses DirectX10 FSAA modes on Vista and Windows 7.

Loving the 8xCSAA in Left4Dead

John

[Jigglyass]

GTA IV already uses some DirectX11

I am now using Windows 7 RC and I can tell you this, it takes a matter of seconds to encode a 1080p video using the GTA IV Video editor compared to just under a minute on Vista. why so? Because DirectX11 has a feature called DirectX Compute, which uses the CUDA 2.2 driver on my graphics card to encode video.

So technically some aspects (well one aspect) of GTA IV uses DirectX11....now if only R* did what vALVE have done for their newer Source Engine Games (Episode 2 and Left4Dead) where it queries the DirectX version and uses DirectX10 FSAA modes on Vista and Windows 7.

Loving the 8xCSAA in Left4Dead

John

Encoding and rendering 2 different things.

[JohnZS]

Very true... the point was that it was using a DirectX11 feature

[The Horror Is Alive]

It seems there are three types of people in the GTAIV PC forum:

1. Common; these ones just bitch and moan about GTAIV PC.

2. Common; these ones suck up to CC and the other mods, trying to be backseat mods themselves. Tough titties, bitches, but you'll probably never become mods.

3. Rare; these ones just partake in the discussion of the actual game, without really bitching/praising the port job at all.

So you will fit nicely into category No. 1 then since all you do all day on here is bitch and whine and moan and bitch and whine and moan. I don't even know why you are in this AA thread your crappy PC can barely play GTA 4 at 1024 x 768. If GTA 4 had AA could we safely assume you would be bitching and moaning that your PC couldn't use it ?

 

The people that defend GTA against cretins like you appreciate it is a fantastic game, but like ALL GTA's it is not perfect. We don't mind discussion the problems but then we get people like "The Horror Is Alive" coming in and seizing a chance to have yet another whine and hissy fit about the game it is next to pointless.

How about you use your precious search button to find out whether I've ever actually said that I care whether GTAIV has AA or not? Quite frankly, I couldn't give a sh*t. That's because I don't use AA in games, because it slows the framerate too much. Truthfully, the only game I've ever played with AA was Hitman 2: Silent Assassin, because my computer could handle it without any slowdown whatsoever on highest graphics. Do some f*cking research before you make accusations. Oh sorry, that won't help, because you're just typing what you think Rockstar wants to hear.

 

I've added a new category to my list:

 

 

4. Rare; these ones partake in the discussion of the actual game, and occasionally bitch and moan about how bad the GTAIV PC porting job.

 

I belong to this new category.

[MonkeyMhz]

The Horror Is Alive, I do not want to be a MOD. I don't believe I was sucking up.

 

I'm just stating the facts, and saying that if your gonna bitch and moan for the first month of the games release, go ahead. But when will this ever end?...

 

I don't think the PC port was much worse than the original Xbox360/PS3 game. How is the game better on the consoles than the PC? Aside from the fact that a console equivalent PC would run it worse.

 

Consoles don't have AA, consoles have worse graphics, consoles have nasty shadows.

 

The PC version of GTAIV is the console version that runs a bit worse on simular hardware.

 

I'm sure some of you have miserable experience with memory leaks and stuff, but I haven't experienced that. So im maybe talking from a whole different experience. But will the complaining ever end?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chris1508]

Very creative but very very ugly... Good job, Can't wait for red dead redemption... If it comes to pc dont buy it its on the same engine and there will be NO AA only a blur once again...

[MonkeyMhz]

Very creative but very very ugly... Good job, Can't wait for red dead redemption... If it comes to pc dont buy it its on the same engine and there will be NO AA only a blur once again...

Same with Max Payne 3, but really if it has no AA its not gonna stop me from buying the game.

 

If there was AA, you guys would be saying "Why aren't all the street lights dynamic, car headlights make no shadows"

 

And they aren't going to make the engine DX10 probably for a while. Since their main target is consoles. And since you guys don't buy their games anyways why would they bother putting DX10 in just for us PC gamers.

[CharmingCharlie]

I just don't understand why people wet themselves over AA, I have never used it. It is well known that AA is a frame rate killer, I personally would rather have the power of my graphics card giving me better frame rates or a higher resolution or better still more detail in the game. I have never used AA because I think it is a complete and utter waste of time. All AA does is improve the jaggies "slightly" it doesn't get rid of them and it is questionable whether it is worth the cost in power just to have slightly less jaggy jaggies.

[OverTheBelow]

I just don't understand why people wet themselves over AA, I have never used it. It is well known that AA is a frame rate killer, I personally would rather have the power of my graphics card giving me better frame rates or a higher resolution or better still more detail in the game. I have never used AA because I think it is a complete and utter waste of time. All AA does is improve the jaggies "slightly" it doesn't get rid of them and it is questionable whether it is worth the cost in power just to have slightly less jaggy jaggies.

Okay, so if you had an older game you could run maxed out (e.g. san andreas), would you do it with aliased edges or go the smoother route?

[CharmingCharlie]

I have played GTA SA with AA on and AA off and I will be damned if I can tell the difference either way. If memory serves GTA SA only has 3 x AA which isn't enough to make much of a difference anyway (but hey we didn't have threads about SA only have 3 x AA when it came out).

[davetheshrew]

there is a mod in the mod section that apparently makes gta4 run dx10, what im saying is if we use said mod couldnt we then force aa with our own graphics card software. I havent tried it but i just thought id let you know someone has made a mod that allows the use of dx10. Might be worth a shot for those that require AA so much.

[High]

GTA SA only has 3 x AA which isn't enough to make much of a difference anyway

1 meant AAx2

2 meant AAx4

3 meant AAx8

 

Welcome to RockStar.

[CharmingCharlie]

It still makes sod all difference to what I actually see even with AA x 8 I could still see the damn jaggies on GTA SA just like you would still see the jaggies on GTA 4 if you could somehow use AA in it. As far as I am concerned AA is a complete con job that PC gamers have totally fallen for.

[FullMetal]

No it isn't. In GTASA I (and I'm sure alot of others can do the same) can see the difference between no AA and the '3 AA'. With GTASA's 3AA you still see jagged lines in the distance and on certain types of objects (fences mostly that were far away) but apart from that jagged lines were gone.

 

With no AA you could see it on everything. Carwindows, cars, pedestrians and players, buildings... it was just awful (and believe me, I've played SA a long time that way.

 

AA is far from overrated. I can live with the fact there is no AA in GTAIV (I can now live with it/got used to it) but it's still disturbing from time to time (especially after you play other games that do have AA).

[AntiFart]

It still makes sod all difference to what I actually see even with AA x 8 I could still see the damn jaggies on GTA SA just like you would still see the jaggies on GTA 4 if you could somehow use AA in it. As far as I am concerned AA is a complete con job that PC gamers have totally fallen for.

So what you are saying is AA makes no difference - What a load of crap!

[davetheshrew]

isnt this going a bit bitchy lol, they are right though mr.charlie, i played SA with and without AA just now to be sure and it does make a hell of a difference to the over all look. It isnt a con.

i think that now this thread is starting to get off topic , this is about AA in gta4 not SA

[CharmingCharlie]

I am not saying there is NO difference I am saying there is such a MINIMAL difference that the frame rate hit isn't worth it. Does AA get rid of jaggies ? NO it doesn't it only makes them slightly less jaggie that is it you can still clearly see jaggies even with 8 x AA so my point is that the improvement is so minimal it isn't worth it anyway.

[AntiFart]

I disagree, it makes games look way better more life like, it's far from MINIMAL.

[SyphonPayne]

Funny you say AA is MINIMAL yet you say the "Vaseline" filter is SO HORRIBLE. Well IMHO you've got it backwards because the game looks like absolute sh*t with no AA and no "Vaseline" filter so I'd much rather the "Vaseline" filter if no AA is possible. Because at least that "Vaseline" filter sort-of hides the MASSIVELY ANNOYING jaggies, not to mention the absolutely SH*TTY shadows. AA would be MUCH better than the "Vaseline" filter I know that's a fact, but even with AA if the shadows still looked like horse sh*t I would rather the "Vaseline" look.

 

As for the performance hit GTA as it is already barely even strains most decent modern GPUs as it is, because it's ass-raping most CPUs, so I don't think that AA would affect things much, just as changing resolution has almost NIL effects.

 

/rant

 

That being said, I'm happy with the performance of this game as it is now, and I've pretty much given up on wishing for AA. I use the "Vaseline" filter to attempt to hide some of the massive graphical flaws in the game, doesn't look TOO bad, hell GTA was never known for being top-of-the-line in the graphics department anyway, and it's NOT Crysis.