LostSoul 301281 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Thanks to The Lost and Damned - which I enjoyed - we've now walked in Johnny's shoes and saw his side of some events that make up the entire story of GTA: IV. And, obviously, we'll see Luis' part which will be explained just as the questions that've popped up during Johnny's appearances were answered. Though, I'm rather stumped as to how there'll be an explaination regarding why Luis was at the bank when the mission "Three Leaf Clover" occurs. From Niko's aspect, it seems logical that Luis was just there going to the bank like any normal person. Yet, I wonder how that mission will occur in the new DLC. Telling by the cut-scenes, it seems like just an ordinary visit even though visiting banks isn't an ordinary thing in GTA. I mean, will a mission have us just randomly - and coincidently - show up at a bank? And where exactly will the mission go from there? Although it may explain some hatred towards Niko if no money was left for him, but his second encounter at the Libertonian was for the diamonds, not revenge. Or maybe it could be both... Maybe Luis is there to rob it himself, albeit in a far more subtle way. Or maybe Luis is there to make some kind of drop-off or pick up. Maybe he's there to access a safety deposit box. As for the diamond thing. Luis probably found out about the exchange at the Libertonian and went there because he found out Johnny was going to be there too. Luis must have know, seen or found out it was Johnny who was responsible for the diamonds being stolen from Tony when he was trying to buy them in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSEPH X Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 There`s some very peculiar things about Gerry that I`d like to know. What`s with the database saying he used to work with an Algonquin crime family? Why can`t you do his second set of missions `til after "Blood Brothers" How and why did he get sent down? The McReary missions are more important to the timelines of TBoGT than Bell or Peg`s or Gravelli. Those missions will have nothing to do with the way TBoGT plays out. IMO the main story arc that encompasses both DLC`s is Roman>Vlad>Faustin>Elizabeta/Manny>Packie>Ray>Derrick>Gerry>Finale. All other mission strands just pertain to Niko`s story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyla Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Maybe there's more to Gerry's "Don't f*ck with my family, or I will f*ck with yours" quote than we first thought. Maybe the Ancelotti's f*cked with the McReary's. I've read somewhere that Gerald is meant to be a highly intelligent, and therefore highly dangerous criminal. So maybe after something happened with the Ancelotti's, he broke off with the alliance and alligned himself, and the McReary Mob with the Pegorino's, knowing that they would go after the Ancelotti's?(as they are the weakest) If it's thought about, the McReary's kill a LOT of important Ancelotti Family members, albeit on the Pegorino's behalf. Tony Black - Capo, and Associates - Car Bomb Frank Garone - Capo - Assasinated Gracie Ancelotti - Daughter of the Don, kidnapped/held at ransom Maybe it's up to Luis to repair(or contribute to) relations between the Ancelotti's and there Albanian Muscle. It's done somehow, because the Albanian's find out the McReary's were behind the hits, as seen in Undertaker. Even if I'm totally off the target with this, I'd be willing to bet the Mafia outfit Gerald was associates with, if not the Ancelotti's, would logically be the Dukes based Messina Family led by Harvey Noto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foohy Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Derrick was with Packie, Michael and Niko during the robbery. Yeah the guys who robbed the bank were Niko, Packie, DERRICK and Michael. Derrick is the grey heard one with the Drug problem and Gerry is the kind of Red Haired guy with the beard that goes to prison. Oh. Yeah I know which is which, I just couldn't remember which was in the mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrixone Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I got the best idea why luis was there Gay tony realy needed the diamonds for something, maybe he knew gracie will be in danger. Luis was sad to see Tony so he wanted to check how much money he has in his bank account. Than 4 warriors (XD) came and wanted money. Luis who got into a big mess was despert. After the EM4 (right?) blew up niko took the money and came back to the Mcreary's. If someone remember niko said he took all the money he could, Luis is hearing this, he know he have the chance to get the money. The money for gay tony, for the diamond, 2 Millions. When niko and Mcrearys are geting out luis go down, take all the money he need and run for his life. Its possible, I mean, when the cooker sold gay tony the diamonds tony asked him if this worth 2 millions he said yes, i mean, luis couldnt took exactly 2 million so maybe they got more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restelo94 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Sorry is this has been mentioned before, but the Bank of Liberty building is a floor or two larger than what is available in Three Leaf Clover. It also has a glass dome thingy on the roof (a possible way out anyone?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostSoul 301281 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I got the best idea why luis was there Gay tony realy needed the diamonds for something, maybe he knew gracie will be in danger. Luis was sad to see Tony so he wanted to check how much money he has in his bank account. Than 4 warriors (XD) came and wanted money. Luis who got into a big mess was despert. After the EM4 (right?) blew up niko took the money and came back to the Mcreary's. If someone remember niko said he took all the money he could, Luis is hearing this, he know he have the chance to get the money. The money for gay tony, for the diamond, 2 Millions. When niko and Mcrearys are geting out luis go down, take all the money he need and run for his life. Its possible, I mean, when the cooker sold gay tony the diamonds tony asked him if this worth 2 millions he said yes, i mean, luis couldnt took exactly 2 million so maybe they got more. You could be on to something here. Maybe Luis was trying to get at some money in the bank when Niko, Packie, Micheal and Derrick held it up. Luis probably sneaked down into the vault after they left and took what he needed and slipped out another exit, away from all of the police attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) After the EM4 (right?) blew up niko took the money and came back to the Mcreary's. Actually it's PE4 which is very similar to C4 the only difference is the amount of plasticizer in it that makes it easier to mould before setting. Derrick also says that it doesn't leave residue on the notes but I don't know how true that is. How and why did he (Gerry) get sent down? According to the Liberty Tree Gerry gets arrested on Racketeering Charges but Gerry says that it is a combination Of Armed Robbery and Racketeering "a bunch of sh*t he never done". It's likely that the armed robbery charge arose from Three Leaf Clover... Even though he wasn't involved in the actual robbing of the bank. Edited July 26, 2009 by Money Over Bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Another thing I noticed while playing Three leaf Clover is that when Niko goes down to the vault, the bags (that he puts the money in) are already down there. A bit strange to say the least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjeem Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I wonder how people could miss it if they didn't skip. Especial when you play it a second time. Funny how in the end a bum finds the diamonds and uses them to buy a Amunation in Vice City, after all the trouble you go through to get them. Then Jerry kapowitz's adventure continued by GTA dudes topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder 556 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 It could be to pick up something for gay tony. Or maybe Tony was tipped off by someone(i dont know who would know about the robbery other then the McReary's and Niko) and order luis to go there and wait until Niko and them robbed the bank and when they left he was told to go and get any cash that was left. Or maybe he was going to a deal and Tony told him to go get money from the bank. Or he was gonna meet up with a buyer at the bank. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosoulj4h20 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Luis just looks impatient like any other person on a bank line. I wish we had more clues. I guess the point was to introduce Luis's name and add him as an easter egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DipsetAW Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Another thing I noticed while playing Three leaf Clover is that when Niko goes down to the vault, the bags (that he puts the money in) are already down there. A bit strange to say the least... Derrick DID have to go down there and set the explosives you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Another thing I noticed while playing Three leaf Clover is that when Niko goes down to the vault, the bags (that he puts the money in) are already down there. A bit strange to say the least... Derrick DID have to go down there and set the explosives you know? No theyre inside the vault behind the money. Derrick set the explosives outside the vault door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGBeast Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 They may have been working on a transfer for someone, and that's how they wanted it done. Maybe we'll find out in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuMbLeYbEe93 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 there couldnt be hatred for Niko from Luis for the bank job because Niko was wearing a balaclava Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foohy Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 there couldnt be hatred for Niko from Luis for the bank job because Niko was wearing a balaclava Luis may know, somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnzooger Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Remember the bank employee who seemed to know too much about the robbery that let Niko's crew in? Well maybe he was supposed to let Luis in and that's why he got so shocked when the gun got pointed his direction. Luis's mission could be a setup robbery that got foiled by Niko's crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidus119 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Luis is getting the money that is going to be used to buy the diamonds. Unfortunately, because of the robbery he won't be able to get all of the money, and that is why Gay Tony tries to pay off the cook with kitchen supplies and stuff. or maybe not. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foohy Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Remember the bank employee who seemed to know too much about the robbery that let Niko's crew in? Well maybe he was supposed to let Luis in and that's why he got so shocked when the gun got pointed his direction. Luis's mission could be a setup robbery that got foiled by Niko's crew. I need to watch that cutscene again to see what you're talking about with the bank teller. Also; looks like you need to update your signature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnzooger Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Also; looks like you need to update your signature Yeah, well the the only changes are GTA IV is now at 95% and I need to add CtW at 73.63%. Unfortunately, I lost the base HTML file that I was using... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 This isnt so much a theory about Luis being in the bank but I'd say Bulgarin for whatever reason hires Tony and Luis to buy the diamonds off the cook then when the deal goes sour he tells them to get them for him or he'll kill them or whatever. Luis then gets pissed off at Bulgarin making threats and decides to go and shoot up the deal in the museum and take the diamonds for himself. This then puts him on really bad terms with Bulgarin and brings a world of problems his way which can only be ended by.... Yep you guessed it... KILLING BULGARIN. That guy being there to let Luis just have the money seems plausible though... like Luis is there for something and the guy doesnt put up much of a fight so it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smityakasmytz Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 This isnt so much a theory about Luis being in the bank but I'd say Bulgarin for whatever reason hires Tony and Luis to buy the diamonds off the cook then when the deal goes sour he tells them to get them for him or he'll kill them or whatever. Luis then gets pissed off at Bulgarin making threats and decides to go and shoot up the deal in the museum and take the diamonds for himself. This then puts him on really bad terms with Bulgarin and brings a world of problems his way which can only be ended by....Yep you guessed it... KILLING BULGARIN. That guy being there to let Luis just have the money seems plausible though... like Luis is there for something and the guy doesnt put up much of a fight so it works. that would be pretty nice if it happened, and it would make sense as at th end of the game on the LCPD database it says Bulgarin is missing, but I think it won't be that. It will be a major turning point that's not connected to the other DLC or IV, it will be a turning point that will be seen from somebody else's point of view in the next DLC, because they cant make the same missions for all of the other DLC's can they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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