How Will This Be Explained?

[TheJonesy]

Yeah, they couldn't have know each other. I'm fairly certain that Niko, Packie, and company have nothing to do with Luis at this point; he was in the wrong place at the wrong/right[?] time ("right" assuming that he does get some money left over). Also from the cutscenes, it seems Luis doesn't know the guy who was next to him - who's name escapes me right now - which could rule out anything there.

 

I would've never expected a mission that starts out with you making a withdrawal or something...

[JOSEPH X]

I`m thinking you end the mission and you get a call from Packie or gerry, "WTF happened? You were supposed to look out for us. Did you get the rest of the cash?" Luis, Gay Tony and the McRearys then get the money together to buy the diamonds and Gerry says to GT, "You f*ck up, and it`s war!"

during 'diamonds are a girls best friend' packie and luis would act like they know each other, when it is clearly shown they just know throuhg the negotiations.

i highly doubt its elaborate as everyones speculating.

Yeah, in fact they'd probably exchange looks of disgust or contempt, when all they're doing is taking the respective roles and trying to get the deal underway and finished as quickly and smoothly as possible. I'm sure if Packie wanted payback he could have capped Luis as soon as he arrived. But the fact they didn't know each other meant they were anonymous enough to respect each others right to hand over the goods; the deal would have been fine and uneventful if a certain Russian didn't show up.

what gets me tho, is why is he looking at his watch? It`s a clear indication by the writers that he`s expecting something to happen. I`m sure he at least knows about the robbery.

[andysniper]

I`m thinking you end the mission and you get a call from Packie or gerry, "WTF happened? You were supposed to look out for us. Did you get the rest of the cash?" Luis, Gay Tony and the McRearys then get the money together to buy the diamonds and Gerry says to GT, "You f*ck up, and it`s war!"

during 'diamonds are a girls best friend' packie and luis would act like they know each other, when it is clearly shown they just know throuhg the negotiations.

i highly doubt its elaborate as everyones speculating.

Yeah, in fact they'd probably exchange looks of disgust or contempt, when all they're doing is taking the respective roles and trying to get the deal underway and finished as quickly and smoothly as possible. I'm sure if Packie wanted payback he could have capped Luis as soon as he arrived. But the fact they didn't know each other meant they were anonymous enough to respect each others right to hand over the goods; the deal would have been fine and uneventful if a certain Russian didn't show up.

what gets me tho, is why is he looking at his watch? It`s a clear indication by the writers that he`s expecting something to happen. I`m sure he at least knows about the robbery.

well maybe whoever sent you in on an errand needs you to get the item or money by a certain time. that would trigger luis to look at his watch. if not its just a generic action.

[Rucke]

gay tony is italian right? - so many connections...damn.

No I think he's native American. His last name is Prince, plus he was born in the midwest. Not many Italians live there.

[El Zilcho]

gay tony is italian right? - so many connections...damn.

No I think he's native American. His last name is Prince, plus he was born in the midwest. Not many Italians live there.

You mean plain American. A Native American would be an American Indian But yeah, sounds like [God, what are they called? English?] a generic surname.

[Mafioso86]

gay tony is italian right? - so many connections...damn.

No I think he's native American. His last name is Prince, plus he was born in the midwest. Not many Italians live there.

You mean plain American. A Native American would be an American Indian But yeah, sounds like [God, what are they called? English?] a generic surname.

Heh... we (Americans not descended from the original English colonists) call them WASPs (White Anglo Saxon Protestant), and yeah the midwest and south are filled with them. But Tony could really be anything... for one a lot of immigrants' names were anglofied when they came to America, sometimes by idiot immigration officials and sometimes by themselves to avoid persecution. Good example of an almost identical name would be the actor Freddy Prinze... who was most commonly recognized as being Puerto Rican, though he was in fact half Puerto Rican and half German/Hungarian. His actual name wasn't even Prinze, it was Pruetzel, he changed it for his career. And you might say, "Oh well he was an actor, a lot of actors do that," but so do the kind of larger than life Manhattan night club empresarios. Anther example in GTA would be Phil Bell who's Irish/Italian (like me), Bell isn't an Italian name and I've never met an Irish guy with that last name either... so it was most likely changed at some point in his family's history... which as I said is fairly common in the US.

 

Why does all of this matter? I'm guessing that by the fact that someone suggested he was Italian you're interested in how closely he is connected with the mob. As someone said he's from the midwest and his name doesn't sound Italian so chances are it's just a random business arrangement... However like I said above the last name might not mean anything, and there are Italians and the mob in large midwestern cities like Chicago and Detroit. While it seems unlikely, it could be possible that he's like the estranged gay brother or cousin of some mobster and the mob decided to give him a break and hook him up in a position that he would be good at and would benefit them... running dance clubs in Liberty City.

[Guanxi]

When you go down to the vault as Niko there is already a large stockpile of notes set aside on the vault floor. My theory is that Luis was waiting to collect Gay Tony's deposit for the diamond exchange. This would incidentally be the first moment that indirectly links the McReary's to the diamonds, before "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend".

 

Alternatively, there is no link which is altogether more plausible. Luis just sees the opportunity and takes it, single-handedly evading the S.W.A.T. with a cool $250,000 (St. Michael's bag).

 

"Three Leaf Clover" refers to 3 unlucky Irish guys... Michael, Derrick and Packie. It seemingly implies to me that had they attempted the job with one of their own instead of Niko they would have had luck on their side and gone through unscathed.

[Mafioso86]

 

When you go down to the vault as Niko there is already a large stockpile of notes set aside on the vault floor. My theory is that Luis was waiting to collect Gay Tony's deposit for the diamond exchange. This would incidentally be the first moment that indirectly links the McReary's to the diamonds, before "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend".

That's actually pretty interesting... that he's picking up cash for Tony to do the diamond deal with. It would also give him a motivation to risk running down to the vault himself or maybe attempting to chase after Niko and friends to get some cash, as after a bank robbery like that, chances are the bank isn't going to let him withdraw a few hundred thousand dollars or however much he needed... combine that with the fact that he might be on a time crunch (perhaps why he looks at that watch) as the deal could be taking place that same day or something, and he would probably be in deep sh*t if called Tony up afterwards and was like, "Sorry, I don't have the cash."

[The Notorious MOB]

I`m thinking you end the mission and you get a call from Packie or gerry, "WTF happened? You were supposed to look out for us. Did you get the rest of the cash?" Luis, Gay Tony and the McRearys then get the money together to buy the diamonds and Gerry says to GT, "You f*ck up, and it`s war!"

during 'diamonds are a girls best friend' packie and luis would act like they know each other, when it is clearly shown they just know throuhg the negotiations.

i highly doubt its elaborate as everyones speculating.

Yeah, in fact they'd probably exchange looks of disgust or contempt, when all they're doing is taking the respective roles and trying to get the deal underway and finished as quickly and smoothly as possible. I'm sure if Packie wanted payback he could have capped Luis as soon as he arrived. But the fact they didn't know each other meant they were anonymous enough to respect each others right to hand over the goods; the deal would have been fine and uneventful if a certain Russian didn't show up.

what gets me tho, is why is he looking at his watch? It`s a clear indication by the writers that he`s expecting something to happen. I`m sure he at least knows about the robbery.

I think he just looks at his watch because he's waiting in a line as many people do due to the slow pace that people move in banks. If there is something to it though I'd say it's because he's on a deadline to get whatever he's there for and it's unlikely that he knew the bank was going to be robbed or anything like that.

[Guanxi]

 

When you go down to the vault as Niko there is already a large stockpile of notes set aside on the vault floor. My theory is that Luis was waiting to collect Gay Tony's deposit for the diamond exchange. This would incidentally be the first moment that indirectly links the McReary's to the diamonds, before "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend".

That's actually pretty interesting... that he's picking up cash for Tony to do the diamond deal with. It would also give him a motivation to risk running down to the vault himself or maybe attempting to chase after Niko and friends to get some cash, as after a bank robbery like that, chances are the bank isn't going to let him withdraw a few hundred thousand dollars or however much he needed... combine that with the fact that he might be on a time crunch (perhaps why he looks at that watch) as the deal could be taking place that same day or something, and he would probably be in deep sh*t if called Tony up afterwards and was like, "Sorry, I don't have the cash."

 

The diamonds are worth $2,000,000 street value. That would have to be the size of Gay Tony's deposit. It's very strange for a man rumored to be broke. It could have something to do with his money problems. It's a large enough size to be split four ways.

Edited June 4, 2009 by Guanxi

[Mafioso86]

When you go down to the vault as Niko there is already a large stockpile of notes set aside on the vault floor. My theory is that Luis was waiting to collect Gay Tony's deposit for the diamond exchange. This would incidentally be the first moment that indirectly links the McReary's to the diamonds, before "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend".

That's actually pretty interesting... that he's picking up cash for Tony to do the diamond deal with. It would also give him a motivation to risk running down to the vault himself or maybe attempting to chase after Niko and friends to get some cash, as after a bank robbery like that, chances are the bank isn't going to let him withdraw a few hundred thousand dollars or however much he needed... combine that with the fact that he might be on a time crunch (perhaps why he looks at that watch) as the deal could be taking place that same day or something, and he would probably be in deep sh*t if called Tony up afterwards and was like, "Sorry, I don't have the cash."

The diamonds are worth $2,000,000. That's the size of the Gay Tony's deposit. Strange for a man rumored to be broke. It's a large enough size to be split four ways 4x250,000+.

 

That's what makes it somewhat plausible.

Well I assume the Ancelottis are in on the deal considering that they're the ones that eventually end up with the diamonds... so most likely the money is atleast partially there's.

[Guanxi]

Say the McReary's stole what was left of Gay Tony's life savings from the vault that day that he was going to invest in these diamonds for his retirement.

 

In order to then raise the money in a very short period of time he's got before they change hands; he forced into a situation where he has to borrow the money from the Russian mafia because he can no longer borrow money from conventional channels such as banks with maxed out credit cards, mounting debts, worthless assets, etc which is why Bulgarin knows who they are in "Diamonds Are..." referring to them directly - it would tie everything together.

 

Luis probably kills bulgarin to save Gay Tony.

[Guanxi]

 

When you go down to the vault as Niko there is already a large stockpile of notes set aside on the vault floor. My theory is that Luis was waiting to collect Gay Tony's deposit for the diamond exchange. This would incidentally be the first moment that indirectly links the McReary's to the diamonds, before "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend".

That's actually pretty interesting... that he's picking up cash for Tony to do the diamond deal with. It would also give him a motivation to risk running down to the vault himself or maybe attempting to chase after Niko and friends to get some cash, as after a bank robbery like that, chances are the bank isn't going to let him withdraw a few hundred thousand dollars or however much he needed... combine that with the fact that he might be on a time crunch (perhaps why he looks at that watch) as the deal could be taking place that same day or something, and he would probably be in deep sh*t if called Tony up afterwards and was like, "Sorry, I don't have the cash."

The diamonds are worth $2,000,000. That's the size of the Gay Tony's deposit. Strange for a man rumored to be broke. It's a large enough size to be split four ways 4x250,000+.

 

That's what makes it somewhat plausible.

Well I assume the Ancelottis are in on the deal considering that they're the ones that eventually end up with the diamonds... so most likely the money is atleast partially there's.

I'm pretty sure Gay Tony intended to buy the diamonds for himself in "Diamonds in the Rough". The McReary's knew that Gay Tony an Ancelotti affiliate had the acquired the diamonds somehow probably through Ray Boccino and Gracie was a personal friend of Gay Tony and an angle they could work. Anyway, I'm sure it will all be revealed soon and it will all be too obvious looking back.

Edited June 4, 2009 by Guanxi

[jackass2009]

I think it was that Tony told Luis to go to the bank to make the deposit after some huge deal of drugs or something, and Luis tries to deposit money $$$ in both their accounts. Luis just happens to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[dabaannz]

I think it was that Tony told Luis to go to the bank to make the deposit after some huge deal of drugs or something, and Luis tries to deposit money $$$ in both their accounts. Luis just happens to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

There's no way it's meant to be a coincidence... Way too random to have Luis just so happen to be at that exact bank at that exact time. It's clearly one of the missions for Luis and somehow Gay Tony, or whoever Luis does this mission for, has uncovered the plans for the robbery... Johnny uses a wiretap in TLaD, wouldn't be too far off to have Luis or someone find out about the bank job by tapping the McCrearys place.

 

There's also no way that you as the character have to lie there on the floor and wait till they all leave... it'll be a basic cut scene, then you stand up and play the rest of the mission... which I think is totally obvious; go down to the vault, grab remaining money, run out back way, fight cops, lose wanted level.

[JOSEPH X]

I think it was that Tony told Luis to go to the bank to make the deposit after some huge deal of drugs or something, and Luis tries to deposit money $$$ in both their accounts. Luis just happens to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

There's no way it's meant to be a coincidence... Way too random to have Luis just so happen to be at that exact bank at that exact time. It's clearly one of the missions for Luis and somehow Gay Tony, or whoever Luis does this mission for, has uncovered the plans for the robbery... Johnny uses a wiretap in TLaD, wouldn't be too far off to have Luis or someone find out about the bank job by tapping the McCrearys place.

 

There's also no way that you as the character have to lie there on the floor and wait till they all leave... it'll be a basic cut scene, then you stand up and play the rest of the mission... which I think is totally obvious; go down to the vault, grab remaining money, run out back way, fight cops, lose wanted level.

to add to that, Gerry is under surveillance. there`s always an anihilator buzzing his house.

[Slamman]

I passed Three Leaf Clover with one attempt on the Xbox360 version, helps that I brushed up several times doing the PS3 copy I've owned since day one.

 

Anywho, obviously I saw St. Michael get shot again, and where people SUSPECT it's the character we're going to see in the new content. Well, I have not been convinced, and it maybe him, but I can't really tell one way or the other, the clip is REALLY short in my estimation.

 

Anything beyond just a name, basically?

[iDimitri]

I didn't have time to read through the whole thread, so I apologize if this has all ready been posted.

I think Luis is doing some sort of money pick-up for Tony, when the robbery is happening. It's really the only logical explanation I could think of.

[TheJonesy]

I didn't have time to read through the whole thread, so I apologize if this has all ready been posted.

I think Luis is doing some sort of money pick-up for Tony, when the robbery is happening. It's really the only logical explanation I could think of.

Yeah, we've basically touched on this. We're just discussing whether the bank job was a mere coincidence or something else...

[BikerAndy]

I passed Three Leaf Clover with one attempt on the Xbox360 version, helps that I brushed up several times doing the PS3 copy I've owned since day one.

 

Anywho, obviously I saw St. Michael get shot again, and where people SUSPECT it's the character we're going to see in the new content. Well, I have not been convinced, and it maybe him, but I can't really tell one way or the other, the clip is REALLY short in my estimation.

 

Anything beyond just a name, basically?

Are you questioning whether it's Luis in the bank then for the mission Three Leaf Clover? I think that's pretty much a given it's him in there. Sure as hell looks like him to me, it's the same character model and clothes as the other missions so I don't think there's much doubt.

 

And we know that he's the main protagonist now for TBGT.

[Dillinger8]

Don't forget the fact that Luis has a tattoo that literally says "Luis" on his neck. You see it a few times during Three Leaf Clover

[The Notorious MOB]

Don't forget the fact that Luis has a tattoo that literally says "Luis" on his neck. You see it a few times during Three Leaf Clover

I always wondered what that was.

[TheJonesy]

Don't forget the fact that Luis has a tattoo that literally says "Luis" on his neck. You see it a few times during Three Leaf Clover

I always wondered what that was.

I've never noticed that. Learn something everday I guess...

[JOSEPH X]

Don't forget the fact that Luis has a tattoo that literally says "Luis" on his neck. You see it a few times during Three Leaf Clover

I always wondered what that was.

I've never noticed that. Learn something everday I guess...

I saw it yesterday on "diamonds in the rough" Couldn`t make out what it was tho.

[VickeX]

I have two ideas on how it might go down.

 

 

Either it's a mission from some of your mission briefers where they tell you to go to the bank at that time because they've got some info that some guys is going to rob it, or, it's a mission where your mission briefer just wants you to go to the bank, take some money out for some reason and bring it back to him, or somebody / some place else.

 

That's my first idea. My second idea, which is quite cool and possible in my opinion, is that the mission triggers as a random ped mission. You have to do the mission in order to continue the story, and what the mission is is either just a new cutscene from Luis angle of things, or you actually get to play and lay on the ground.

 

I hope it's the second one as that would feel quite natural. Still though, that wouldn't really give any backstory to it so it might just be my other idea. And of course, it can be something totally different. We'll have to wait and see.

[JOSEPH X]

I have two ideas on how it might go down.

 

 

Either it's a mission from some of your mission briefers where they tell you to go to the bank at that time because they've got some info that some guys is going to rob it, or, it's a mission where your mission briefer just wants you to go to the bank, take some money out for some reason and bring it back to him, or somebody / some place else.

 

That's my first idea. My second idea, which is quite cool and possible in my opinion, is that the mission triggers as a random ped mission. You have to do the mission in order to continue the story, and what the mission is is either just a new cutscene from Luis angle of things, or you actually get to play and lay on the ground.

 

I hope it's the second one as that would feel quite natural. Still though, that wouldn't really give any backstory to it so it might just be my other idea. And of course, it can be something totally different. We'll have to wait and see.

Do you rely think they are going to put a` lie face down on the floor` mechanic in the game? Here`s how I see it going down:

 

The cutscene from Luis`s POV will last five seconds after Niko, Packie and Derrick leave the bank, giving them time to disappear. Luis then has to run down and gets the rest of the money (for whatever reason) and escapes. It`s the only thing possible, remember it`s an action game.

[The Notorious MOB]

I'd Say It will be the same cutscene except it will timelapse and then tell you to go down to the vault when you regain control. And if you go anywhere other than the vault (i.e. outside) the mission will fail... This will ensure you can't just follow Niko and the boys out of the bank. There's a door that leads out the side of the bank that I think will be used and it has a lane opposite it that you may have to run down to make the escape. I think they will have all the surrounding roads to the bank blocked off with police cars to give us a bit of a challenge also.

[Zcheese]

Maybe nico was being fooled all the story long by paccies crew and they kept the diamonds for theirselfs or something smilair. What they'll clear up in this DLC

[Nova69_7]

The diamonds where never in the bank, since the very beginning of the story they have been around you. When you are on the boat, you see a cook drop the diamonds into a soup, showing they aren't even from America.

I've always wondered how many people missed that, or just forgot about it since they only saw it once.

I sure as hell missed it! It was only when I played the game through again when the penny dropped and I went 'Oooohhh...I see' lol!

 

Back to the reason why Luis was in the bank at the time...who knows?! Let's just wait and see eh?! I reckon he was planning to rob the bank himself or something.

[The Notorious MOB]

The diamonds where never in the bank, since the very beginning of the story they have been around you. When you are on the boat, you see a cook drop the diamonds into a soup, showing they aren't even from America.

I've always wondered how many people missed that, or just forgot about it since they only saw it once.

I sure as hell missed it! It was only when I played the game through again when the penny dropped and I went 'Oooohhh...I see' lol!

 

Back to the reason why Luis was in the bank at the time...who knows?! Let's just wait and see eh?! I reckon he was planning to rob the bank himself or something.

Yeah I dont think there were many people that connected the dots with that until either somebody told them or they played the game again. GTA IV is great for that which adds alot of replay value to the story... Its like you have to play the game twice to get the whole story. I for one was so excited about playing the game that I missed most of the little details in dialogue etc and only truely understood the whole thing when I took my time and played it again.