JOSEPH X Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 The game description mentions struggling with loyalties between friends and family. I have a feeling the ending will involve making a choose between killing Gay Tony or killing one of the guys in the Northwood Dominican Drug dealers. Or maybe being ordered to kill Gay Tony by the Ancellottis (who may be angry with him for the closure of the clubs and bringing too much heat on them by supplying the drugs they get with their partnership with the Russians in his clubs) and if you choose to spare him the Ancellottis take out some of your Northwood 'homies'. ...or maybe he`s ordered to kill him by a friend who turns out to be not a friend at all but working with Bulgarin. `Who is real and who is fake?` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagleheart Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 I disagree with the majority. I really want a really heart grinding depressing ending. To me GTA IVs ending wasn't that bad because to be honest I didn't care for Kate, let alone any of the other "girlfreind". Tlad was slightly more depressing but not much. In my view I want Louis to end up with no money, nowhere decent to stay. Everyone he knows dead and with someone out for him. I think they will go depressing (not as depressing as I want though) as GTA has to kinda show that crime doesn't really pay and that it has drawbacks. I didn't care about Kate either but it doesn't matter because Niko did and that's the point. No matter what, Niko had someone close to him die whether it was Roman who was like a brother or Kate who might have been his wife. And I'll admit that Niko's story was a nice change of pace from the normal "rich and own the world" gta ending, but Johnny's just seemed a bit overboard. The gang that was like his family falls apart as his brothers either die or turn against him and in the end he burns the clubhouse that had became his home, is that not depressing enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I disagree with the majority. I really want a really heart grinding depressing ending. To me GTA IVs ending wasn't that bad because to be honest I didn't care for Kate, let alone any of the other "girlfreind". Tlad was slightly more depressing but not much. In my view I want Louis to end up with no money, nowhere decent to stay. Everyone he knows dead and with someone out for him. I think they will go depressing (not as depressing as I want though) as GTA has to kinda show that crime doesn't really pay and that it has drawbacks. Yeah same here. I really enjoyed GTA IV's depressing ending, but moreso the ending for "Deal". This is the first GTA since GTA III where it hasn't you've gained anything. IMO it wouldn't have made sense if Niko's story ended on a high note. I haven't played TLAD yet, but I'm expecting TBOGT to have something that isn't happy. Maybe not as depressing as GTA IV, or TLAD, but I don't expect the ending of TBOGT to be all happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le_Joker Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 The entire theme of GTAIV as a whole is Liberty City's dog-eat-dog mini-universe, and the idea that trying to mess with the cruel and opportunistic underworld usually yields results directly destructive to what you value most. GTAIV offers Niko a choice at the DEAL/REVENGE section of the game: Roman tells you to pick DEAL and dies in that decision, Kate tells you to pick REVENGE and, likewise, dies from that choice. That's the point of his story. You decide who Niko values more, and therefore who gets taken away from him. He can't avoid that fact - either way, he loses who he values most through his obsession over his past, facilitated by Liberty City as a whole. TLAD operates proportionally. Johnny invests himself in the Lost heavily and comes to value it more than anything else, but he pushes too many different aspects of the city too far, and it comes back to take away what he valued the most. So, in TBOGT, I think Luis will probably find an ending respective to this central theme. The question is, what does Luis value the most? Is it a person or a group of people, or something else entirely? I like this more story-driven concept they went with here in GTAIV, and I hope they don't go back to do another ridiculous 'rags to riches' story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 (edited) The entire theme of GTAIV as a whole is Liberty City's dog-eat-dog mini-universe, and the idea that trying to mess with the cruel and opportunistic underworld usually yields results directly destructive to what you value most. GTAIV offers Niko a choice at the DEAL/REVENGE section of the game: Roman tells you to pick DEAL and dies in that decision, Kate tells you to pick REVENGE and, likewise, dies from that choice. That's the point of his story. You decide who Niko values more, and therefore who gets taken away from him. He can't avoid that fact - either way, he loses who he values most through his obsession over his past, facilitated by Liberty City as a whole. TLAD operates proportionally. Johnny invests himself in the Lost heavily and comes to value it more than anything else, but he pushes too many different aspects of the city too far, and it comes back to take away what he valued the most. So, in TBOGT, I think Luis will probably find an ending respective to this central theme. The question is, what does Luis value the most? Is it a person or a group of people, or something else entirely? I like this more story-driven concept they went with here in GTAIV, and I hope they don't go back to do another ridiculous 'rags to riches' story. Pretty much sums it up. I feel at the end of GTA IV it sends a message. The whole game has the "American Dream" theme attached to it, and at the end of IV (Although I thought it had a stronger presence in the "Deal" ending) Niko realizes it's not all what it's cracked up to be, and in a case of irony his own obsession with making money gets Roman killed, when Roman asks him to go for the money offered by Dimitri for working with him . It really felt as if Niko was his own worst enemy actually. Edited June 3, 2009 by Miamivicecity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafioso86 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Pretty much sums it up. I feel at the end of GTA IV it sends a message. The whole game has the "American Dream" theme attached to it, and at the end of IV (Although I thought it had a stronger presence in the "Deal" ending) Niko realizes it's not all what it's cracked up to be, and in a case of irony his own obsession with making money gets Roman killed, when Roman asks him to go for the money offered by Dimitri for working with him . It really felt as if Niko was his own worst enemy actually. See the first time I played through I chose deal, but not really for the money, more because Roman tells you to do the deal and Kate tells you not to, and I personally valued Roman's opinion far more than Kate's because I liked Roman a lot more than Kate... then Roman got killed... in the end to me it felt like the friend I valued more was the one that I lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilmcnessy Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Gta IV does have a happy ending (not to niko but to us) When kate dies we dont have to out with that ugly woman All gtas seem to have a sad ending GTA 3: Not really GTA VC: Kill Lance GTA SA: Kill Big Smoke (Very close relationship) GTA VCS: Lose that woman, forgot her name Dont really know the other endings though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafioso86 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Gta IV does have a happy ending (not to niko but to us)When kate dies we dont have to out with that ugly woman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Gta IV does have a happy ending (not to niko but to us)When kate dies we dont have to out with that ugly woman All gtas seem to have a sad ending GTA 3: Not really GTA VC: Kill Lance GTA SA: Kill Big Smoke (Very close relationship) GTA VCS: Lose that woman, forgot her name Dont really know the other endings though lol yeah, but some people have been experiencing glitches when she rings up from the grave. Mafioso86- The first time I played through I chose Revenge, as I thought it made the most sense at the time. The next time I chose Deal, but liked it alot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysniper Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Pretty much sums it up. I feel at the end of GTA IV it sends a message. The whole game has the "American Dream" theme attached to it, and at the end of IV (Although I thought it had a stronger presence in the "Deal" ending) Niko realizes it's not all what it's cracked up to be, and in a case of irony his own obsession with making money gets Roman killed, when Roman asks him to go for the money offered by Dimitri for working with him . It really felt as if Niko was his own worst enemy actually. See the first time I played through I chose deal, but not really for the money, more because Roman tells you to do the deal and Kate tells you not to, and I personally valued Roman's opinion far more than Kate's because I liked Roman a lot more than Kate... then Roman got killed... in the end to me it felt like the friend I valued more was the one that I lost. that is exactly what happened to me. i thought roman was awesome so took his advice and....oh. its a nice ltittle underlying message and it will come up in TBOGT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSEPH X Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I can`t remember, but does Niko lose Packie`s friendship if you choose revenge? He certinly loses Roman`s after the deal. In TLAD Johnny loses Jim`s friendship after the story (no choice) so maybe you could be on to something. We know Tony`s clubs get closed down, but I can`t see them being safehouses, or Tony being a cool friend. Maybe this time you have to kill Oscar Gomez who is also in the fight club scene and you can`t do Fight Club at the end of the game. Maybe the safehouse is a gym and you lose that too. All speculation I know, but it`s `crime-doesn`t-pay` related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerAndy Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Knowing that there were going to be moral choices the first time I went through I'd already decided to kill everyone in true GTA style! So when it came to the deal or revenge choice there was only ever going to be one option. And the fact that the fridged miserable cow got wasted too was just a bonus. I think there was no issue with Packie afterwards if I remember right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafioso86 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Knowing that there were going to be moral choices the first time I went through I'd already decided to kill everyone in true GTA style! So when it came to the deal or revenge choice there was only ever going to be one option. And the fact that the fridged miserable cow got wasted too was just a bonus. I think there was no issue with Packie afterwards if I remember right. Yeah there isn't... it's kinda weird in my opinion. All that happens is you get a call from Packie and he's crying and like, "I can't believe she's gone... Gerry's in prison and Derrick/Francis is dead... I have nothing left." I didn't really expect him to be pissed at Niko, I'm sure he had that attitude that Hyman Roth summed up well with, "These are the lives we've chosen;" but considering that I went with deal the first time through I was thinking that if you chose revenge it would be Packie that did the final mission with you rather than Jacob, but it's not. I don't even think Niko gives him a call after he kills Peg or that there's any further dialogue between the two regarding the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilmcnessy Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Knowing that there were going to be moral choices the first time I went through I'd already decided to kill everyone in true GTA style! So when it came to the deal or revenge choice there was only ever going to be one option. And the fact that the fridged miserable cow got wasted too was just a bonus. I think there was no issue with Packie afterwards if I remember right. Yeah there isn't... it's kinda weird in my opinion. All that happens is you get a call from Packie and he's crying and like, "I can't believe she's gone... Gerry's in prison and Derrick/Francis is dead... I have nothing left." I didn't really expect him to be pissed at Niko, I'm sure he had that attitude that Hyman Roth summed up well with, "These are the lives we've chosen;" but considering that I went with deal the first time through I was thinking that if you chose revenge it would be Packie that did the final mission with you rather than Jacob, but it's not. I don't even think Niko gives him a call after he kills Peg or that there's any further dialogue between the two regarding the event. well jacob would be better because packie doesnt even know roman And wasnt invited to the wedding but dont understand why he doesnt go after revenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJay82 Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Knowing that there were going to be moral choices the first time I went through I'd already decided to kill everyone in true GTA style! So when it came to the deal or revenge choice there was only ever going to be one option. And the fact that the fridged miserable cow got wasted too was just a bonus. I think there was no issue with Packie afterwards if I remember right. Yeah there isn't... it's kinda weird in my opinion. All that happens is you get a call from Packie and he's crying and like, "I can't believe she's gone... Gerry's in prison and Derrick/Francis is dead... I have nothing left." I didn't really expect him to be pissed at Niko, I'm sure he had that attitude that Hyman Roth summed up well with, "These are the lives we've chosen;" but considering that I went with deal the first time through I was thinking that if you chose revenge it would be Packie that did the final mission with you rather than Jacob, but it's not. I don't even think Niko gives him a call after he kills Peg or that there's any further dialogue between the two regarding the event. well jacob would be better because packie doesnt even know roman And wasnt invited to the wedding but dont understand why he doesnt go after revenge Jacob also has experience with helicopters, in the mission in IV where you have to shoot the chopper over the river Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duxfever Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 If there was a happy ending, it'll probably start with Luis living small. Then as the story progresses, he starts living highlife. Like, from sh*tty apartment to a penthouse or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafioso86 Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Knowing that there were going to be moral choices the first time I went through I'd already decided to kill everyone in true GTA style! So when it came to the deal or revenge choice there was only ever going to be one option. And the fact that the fridged miserable cow got wasted too was just a bonus. I think there was no issue with Packie afterwards if I remember right. Yeah there isn't... it's kinda weird in my opinion. All that happens is you get a call from Packie and he's crying and like, "I can't believe she's gone... Gerry's in prison and Derrick/Francis is dead... I have nothing left." I didn't really expect him to be pissed at Niko, I'm sure he had that attitude that Hyman Roth summed up well with, "These are the lives we've chosen;" but considering that I went with deal the first time through I was thinking that if you chose revenge it would be Packie that did the final mission with you rather than Jacob, but it's not. I don't even think Niko gives him a call after he kills Peg or that there's any further dialogue between the two regarding the event. well jacob would be better because packie doesnt even know roman And wasnt invited to the wedding but dont understand why he doesnt go after revenge Jacob also has experience with helicopters, in the mission in IV where you have to shoot the chopper over the river Well I'm just saying that considering that in Revenge Pegorino just killed his sister, you would think that he (Packie) would go with Niko to take Pegorino out. Where as in Deal Roman is the one that gets killed so it makes sense for one of Roman's friends (Jacob) to go with Niko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanger69er Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 was gay tony even in gta iv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derelict Frog Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 was gay tony even in gta iv *Face Palm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alooper21 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I love happy endings in GTA. The endings of Vice City, San Andreas and Vice City Stories were great. Ya except VCS was hard to see as truly happy since we all knew Vic was going to get killed in a botched drug exchange with Tommy Vercetti in a few months. it was the other brother, the sick one. during the timeline between vcs and vc vic left the city feeling remorse for letting the girl die, so lance screw up and lost almost everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt2127 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 next DLC should be as Little Jacob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDPorras Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 was gay tony even in gta iv *Face Palm* *Double Face Palm* Play Diamonds are a Girl's Best friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedMethodz Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I know this is a bit far out there but, what if at the end after all is said and done (assuming we get more then one place to crash at and maybe some nice things) Luis gets a phone call. a voice on the other end says... Unknown Caller - "Hey Luis, what up cuz?" Luis - "Damn, it's been awhile since I heard your voice." Unknown Caller - "Yeah, true, true. Listen, I'm thinking about making a trip to LC, I need a bit of a vacation and I'm sure, knowing how you roll you got a place you can put me up in." Luis - (Laughs) "Yeah I got a place for you man, holla at me when you get here." Unknown Caller - "Thanks dawg I'll see you soon. Peace out Luis." Luis - "Aight man, see you then. Later CJ." There's nothing wrong with saying that Luis used to live in Cali. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Goose Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 He was born in LC, CJ will almost definitely not appear in the IV canon and I think it's unnecessary to have the two linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedMethodz Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 He was born in LC, CJ will almost definitely not appear in the IV canon and I think it's unnecessary to have the two linked. I'm just saying it'd be fun to reference one of the other GTA characters. I mean after all Lazlow is the only character in the series that has been in just about every game. By the way, can we eventually meet Lazlow please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaisey boi Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 i think it sould lead on after Jimmy P dies and you should Kill gay tony in the end for turning on u or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaisey boi Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 i think that would be one possibilty like TwiztedMethodz said lazlow was in everyone since Vice City i think anyway but maybe one of Luis's friends know C.J it is possible since CJ is a gangbanger and Luis i suppose is also in a gang maybe when CJ wans in LC he meet him and rolled with Luis and his friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMathers3501 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I don't know. CJ was in Liberty City from 1987 to 1992, and Luis was born in 1983, so Luis would have been between 4 and 9, so I really doubt he would have met CJ during that time period. Better idea! Have it be a random pedestrian encounter: a crazy homeless man with a long beard, gray hair, and a filth-encrusted Hawaiian shirt stumbles out of an alleyway, coughs hobo stink up all over Luis, and then says "Hay, buddy! Can you spare some change! I used to be the king of Vice City, until some meth-head f*ckers came in and-and-and they ruined my business!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xire Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Well since gay tony dies in TLAD, my guess is it wont be a happy ending. However, I dont care. happy endings are overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Happy endings used to be Hollywood (Brazil for an example!), and sad endings would be indie or foreign film, another example is The Vanishing and it's USA remake with Jeff Bridges. I liked both to be honest, Since Rockstar favor Euro influence, it will not be a happy ending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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