Jetpacks, Duel Weapons, Tanks and Leer Jets.

[Eagleheart]

I completely agree with the OP. While GTA IV definitely has taken leaps and bounds ahead as far as story and character development are concerned, the lack of extras that kept me going back to San Andreas for hours on end do nothing but hurt this almost perfect game. You R* fanboys can keep telling people to play SR2 or SA but what we really want is just the over-the-top fun from previous GTA installments. I mean honestly, would you rather have a totally unrealistic but kickass jetpack or a car wash that lets you clean the dirt off your car you probably didn't even notice. Oh but let's not forget about the new ability to watch T.V. while you're playing GTA IV. Honestly that has to be one of the most pathetic activities I've ever heard of. If I want to watch T.V. I'll watch T.V. and if I want to blow up cars in a downtown intersection with a tank I'll play Grand Theft Auto.

[ScratchCard]

I completely agree with the OP. While GTA IV definitely has taken leaps and bounds ahead as far as story and character development are concerned, the lack of extras that kept me going back to San Andreas for hours on end do nothing but hurt this almost perfect game. You R* fanboys can keep telling people to play SR2 or SA but what we really want is just the over-the-top fun from previous GTA installments. I mean honestly, would you rather have a totally unrealistic but kickass jetpack or a car wash that lets you clean the dirt off your car you probably didn't even notice. Oh but let's not forget about the new ability to watch T.V. while you're playing GTA IV. Honestly that has to be one of the most pathetic activities I've ever heard of. If I want to watch T.V. I'll watch T.V. and if I want to blow up cars in a downtown intersection with a tank I'll play Grand Theft Auto.

I agree.

 

Amen.

[BikerAndy]

 

geuss what? Some crime dramas have people shooting two pistols at the same time.

Name one. An actual proper drama, not lethal weapon or something.

Why not lethal weapon? I think GTA IV is far closer to the Hollywood crime action than a serious drama. Although it's lighthearted in places it's a reasonably lifelike movie, there's nothing in there that stretches the imigination too far, so GTA IV is pretty much on this level if you ask me. Lots of action, lots of car chases and crashes, lots and lots of bullets fired. So there you go, lethal weapon. Why don't you tell us what real life drama you think GTA IV is closer to.

 

 

I completely agree with the OP. While GTA IV definitely has taken leaps and bounds ahead as far as story and character development are concerned, the lack of extras that kept me going back to San Andreas for hours on end do nothing but hurt this almost perfect game. You R* fanboys can keep telling people to play SR2 or SA but what we really want is just the over-the-top fun from previous GTA installments. I mean honestly, would you rather have a totally unrealistic but kickass jetpack or a car wash that lets you clean the dirt off your car you probably didn't even notice. Oh but let's not forget about the new ability to watch T.V. while you're playing GTA IV. Honestly that has to be one of the most pathetic activities I've ever heard of. If I want to watch T.V. I'll watch T.V. and if I want to blow up cars in a downtown intersection with a tank I'll play Grand Theft Auto.

Thing is though, I and many others think GTA IV rocks. I'm no R* fanboy, far from it, I just love IV. I loved SA too, but IV wipes the floor with it if you ask me. I don't feel the need for tanks as I can appreciate the game as it is. It doesn't need them to be enjoyable. I am going back to IV for hours on end.

 

You obviously didn't like IV as much as SA, and that's fine as it's all about personal preferences, but there are as many if not a lot more who are happy with IV. So unfortunatly it's coming - if you want to play SA, play SA! But who knows, all the features you miss may be back in a future release, but it's pointless to keep saying IV should have them because it doesn't, and in most peoples eyes it works well enough without them.

Edited May 31, 2009 by BikerAndy

[Clem Fandango]

Why not lethal weapon? I think GTA IV is far closer to the Hollywood crime action than a serious drama. Although it's lighthearted in places it's a reasonably lifelike movie, there's nothing in there that stretches the imigination too far, so GTA IV is pretty much on this level if you ask me. Lots of action, lots of car chases and crashes, lots and lots of bullets fired. So there you go, lethal weapon.

It's trying to take on the aesthetic of a more dialogue oriented movie. Like Resevoir Dogs, the Departed etc. As a video game, it's always going to be more action oriented the way Lethal Weapon is, but they are still trying to copy the aesthetic. A lengthy cut scene in which Niko describes his angst towards Darkel, or the one in which he and Mrs. Faustin have a long conversation shouldn't be followed by Niko pulling out two guns, exclaiming some cheesy catchphrase and slaughter everyone without changing his calm facial expression. It's a good thing you guys aren't producers. You have no clue what it means to set a tone.

[Eagleheart]

Thing is though, I and many others think GTA IV rocks. I'm no R* fanboy, far from it, I just love IV. I loved SA too, but IV wipes the floor with it if you ask me. I don't feel the need for tanks as I can appreciate the game as it is. It doesn't need them to be enjoyable. I am going back to IV for hours on end.

 

You obviously didn't like IV as much as SA, and that's fine as it's all about personal preferences, but there are as many if not a lot more who are happy with IV. So unfortunatly it's coming - if you want to play SA, play SA! But who knows, all the features you miss may be back in a future release, but it's pointless to keep saying IV should have them because it doesn't, and in most peoples eyes it works well enough without them.

I've played through GTA IV's story more times then I have with SA because that's the part of GTA IV I enjoy the most, it's story. But after that's all said and done and I've watched the perfect blend of cinema and video game that is GTA IV for the umpteenth time it would be nice to have a few of those little extras that added massive amounts of replay value without being boring and repetitive mini-games (i.e. bowling, darts, taking your gf on a date so she'll stop bitching, taking Roman on a man date so he'll stop bitching, etc.)

[Algonquin Assassin]

Thing is though, I and many others think GTA IV rocks. I'm no R* fanboy, far from it, I just love IV. I loved SA too, but IV wipes the floor with it if you ask me. I don't feel the need for tanks as I can appreciate the game as it is. It doesn't need them to be enjoyable. I am going back to IV for hours on end.

 

 

Yeah same here. I love GTA IV. I think it's a fantastic game. Sure it would've been nice to have more features, but I'm not losing sleep over it. I also think SA is a great game, but out of the two I find GTA IV to be more enjoyable.

 

I think what makes GTA IV better than other GTA games is its core gameplay. I think the driving is brilliant, as much as some people don't like it, and the use of a cover system is also great. This is the first GTA where I've actually enjoyed a long shootout unlike other GTAs where you had to stand out in the open like a bloody idiot. It feels so epic waiting for your enemy to take fire while they're hiding behind something. Sometimes you have to time it just right when to fire.

 

Anyway alot of the fun I have in IV is exploring the city, and as a strange as it may sound I actually enjoy stuff like bowling, pool, darts etc. I wont deny that IV would've been more fun if it had more unrealistic features. It would've been, yes, but as it stands at the moment I still find it a fun game.

[Rachinator]

Of course features are pointless, but then so are games in general. Theyre just entertainment. Doesnt mean they arent fun along the way. The point is, if stuff like haircuts are included, at least the option is there to use it or not. With IV there is little option to do much after the story.

 

GTA made it' success from the sheer freedom and varied activities in one game. If it starts to go linear, and relies on story, there is a thousand other games that people can play for that.

 

Dont get me wrong, I did enjoy playing through IV, but there's no shame in admitting the sandbox element is pretty empty. There's a lot of players who will agree, and it should be addressed. Even DLC, so far, hasnt bought anything to fix it. Even a few working interiors would help, but nope, it's gotta be some more tired storylines.

 

EDIT- Jetpacks would be silly in IV, granted. But theres a long list of staple activities from all GTAs that arent useable now.

Rachinator has made it clear in that he thinks that San Andreas fans aren’t too good at spelling and arithmetic, which implies that he doesn’t like people that play San Andreas; so any comments made that put San Andreas in a positive light will always fall flat with him.

 

Rachinator is teetering on being a GTA IV fanboy (in my opinion), so creating the constructive rebuttal as you did ultimately becomes pointless, because he just won’t listen to it.

Eh, I'd rather be a GTAIV fanboy than a SA fanboy if I did fall into the category of "fanboy". SA fanboys usual topics involve "OMG WHY GET RID OF JETPACK GRR ROCSTAR I HATE YOU NOW!!!! GRRRR!!!!" Whereas a IV fan will give a logical response based on system constraints or said feature being stupid or pointless. So some groups are better to belong to than others

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

With IV there is little option to do much after the story.

 

 

To me that's like the other GTAs, bar SA. I admit there isn't a whole lot to do after the story in GTA IV, but it was like that with GTA III, and VC aswell. I never completed LCS, and VCS so I can't comment on them.

 

GTA III, and VC didn't really have alot to do after the stories even when the games were new.

 

Edited May 31, 2009 by Miamivicecity

[ScratchCard]

 

Of course features are pointless, but then so are games in general. Theyre just entertainment. Doesnt mean they arent fun along the way. The point is, if stuff like haircuts are included, at least the option is there to use it or not. With IV there is little option to do much after the story.

 

GTA made it' success from the sheer freedom and varied activities in one game. If it starts to go linear, and relies on story, there is a thousand other games that people can play for that.

 

Dont get me wrong, I did enjoy playing through IV, but there's no shame in admitting the sandbox element is pretty empty. There's a lot of players who will agree, and it should be addressed. Even DLC, so far, hasnt bought anything to fix it. Even a few working interiors would help, but nope, it's gotta be some more tired storylines.

 

EDIT- Jetpacks would be silly in IV, granted. But theres a long list of staple activities from all GTAs that arent useable now.

Rachinator has made it clear in that he thinks that San Andreas fans aren’t too good at spelling and arithmetic, which implies that he doesn’t like people that play San Andreas; so any comments made that put San Andreas in a positive light will always fall flat with him.

 

Rachinator is teetering on being a GTA IV fanboy (in my opinion), so creating the constructive rebuttal as you did ultimately becomes pointless, because he just won’t listen to it.

Eh, I'd rather be a GTAIV fanboy than a SA fanboy if I did fall into the category of "fanboy". SA fanboys usual topics involve "OMG WHY GET RID OF JETPACK GRR ROCSTAR I HATE YOU NOW!!!! GRRRR!!!!" Whereas a IV fan will give a logical response based on system constraints or said feature being stupid or pointless. Whereas a IV fan will tell you to go play SR2. So some groups are better to belong to than others

That's better.

[Dragonex100]

Why not lethal weapon? I think GTA IV is far closer to the Hollywood crime action than a serious drama. Although it's lighthearted in places it's a reasonably lifelike movie, there's nothing in there that stretches the imigination too far, so GTA IV is pretty much on this level if you ask me. Lots of action, lots of car chases and crashes, lots and lots of bullets fired. So there you go, lethal weapon.

It's trying to take on the aesthetic of a more dialogue oriented movie. Like Resevoir Dogs, the Departed etc. As a video game, it's always going to be more action oriented the way Lethal Weapon is, but they are still trying to copy the aesthetic. A lengthy cut scene in which Niko describes his angst towards Darkel, or the one in which he and Mrs. Faustin have a long conversation shouldn't be followed by Niko pulling out two guns, exclaiming some cheesy catchphrase and slaughter everyone without changing his calm facial expression. It's a good thing you guys aren't producers. You have no clue what it means to set a tone.

Again, as Jordy said, your big vocabulary isn't solving an argument. Besides, you could only argue with one point I had. If GTA was meant to be a boring crime movie like you say it is, it wouldn't have a steroid filled, cocky, and surprisingly really rich friend you meet in the beginning of the game. It wouldn't have a bunch of stupid little T.V. shows or stupid commercials between every song. I know you will make some other nerdy little argument after this, so I'm going to stop now.

[Insane Brandon]

Wow, this is still being argued. Obviously none of us are R* employees, we don't know 100% what they do or do not want in the game. None of you can say for sure dual wielding goes against what R* wants from GTA IV. Its possible for dual wieldingto be added. Besides the arguments against it keep changing. First it was unrealistic. Then after 20 youtube videos showing that it is possible you switch your argument to some bullssh*t about it ruining the feel of the game.