Insane Brandon Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Dual wielding a .50AE Deagle and a .44 magnum Dual wielding AK-47's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordy. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Did you just compare shooting two guns with jumping to the moon? Is it really that impossible? No, I'm saying simply because you can concieve something doesn't mean it's plausible. It's not ad absurdum (as you are making it out to be), it's just an analogy. It's like how in response to a bare assertion fallacy, people say "I could say I saw a cyclops, that doesn't make it so". Of course, the original assertion may not be as outlandish as seeing a cyclops - it's just a persuasive writing technique. But firing two light weighted guns is plausible, it's entirely possible. You're just complicating things. And we're back to square one. I'll say it again: Because you can concieve something, doesn't make it plausible. Go an fire a wepon and you'll see what I mean. There's a good reason almost no shooters every use two guns. That's why cops and soldiers only carry one pistol. They carry one pistol because: 1. Cheaper (like the other guy said) 2. They need their other hand for other objects such as a 'walky-talky' or nightstick or hand cuffs or megaphone etc.. 3. They're more likely to hit their target by focusing where just one of their guns is going to go. Dual wielding is of course harder than single wielding but its still possible. 4. It only takes one gun to kill/harm someone. Of course, I haven't experienced dual wielding but knowing what it was like to fire that one gun has gave me a rough idea. I'm positive that a well trained and strong shootist could handle two. ... I never mentioned dual rifles. I'm simply saying it's erroneous to draw a parellel firing a firearm with firing a water gun, once we consider the differening physics in the make up of the two objects. Its like saying that because I can throw my keys on my roof I can therefore throw them up a skyscraper You could, if you were strong enough. So what if the next GTA protagonist was skillful enough to fire two? It's more realistic than the protagonist being able to throw keys up a skyscraper. Why bother mentioning rifles in the first place? Let's go back: "It's incredibly easy to hit someone when using a super soaker, but still quite difficult to hit a target using a rifle... ever wonder why?" That was right after I compared aiming with two guns and two water pistols. You mentioned rifles, despite me saying 'light guns'. Looks like you went wrong somewhere. We're talking about aiming with dual wielded weapons. Water pistols involve aiming. Guns involve aiming. Only difference is what the two shoot. What is it about a gun that cripples it's ability to be aimed and shot at something because it is being held by one hand? It depends on the person doesn't it. A man who can do this is not a crazy idea nor does it sound impossible. Give a body builder or at least someone who is physically fit and strong two pistols and I guarantee he can learn to use both because he'll be able to handle the recoil and keep a tight grip on each weapon. Strong people aren't unrealistic. Good grip isn't unrealistic. Aiming with both hands isn't unrealistic. Therefore, dual wielding guns isn't unrealistic. Look at all this crap I've had to type just to let this guy know that firing two f*cking guns simultaneously at something is possible and likely to happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) Hang on real quick, I had some youtube video's, let me try and upload them real quick... I think this settle's the argument that I started, and proves almost anything is possible with proper training. So, I don't usually say this on these forums, but please, SHUT UP! Edited May 30, 2009 by Dragonex100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordy. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value=" name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>If I may. Oh, and look at this: <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value=" name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> I think this settle's the argument that I started, and proves almost anything is possible with proper training. So, I don't usually say this on these forums, but please, SHUT UP! Sorry sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Brandon Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Melchior must think that Rockstar is filled with a bunch of realism Nazis. They just want a more serious GTA game. Dual wielding doesn't take away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordy. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Right now, Melchior is probably typing more arguments, so I'm just going to give up now. But one last thing: LOOK AT THOSE VIDEOS! ARE THEY REALISTIC ENOUGH FOR YA? ARE THEY?!!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 But firing two light weighted guns is plausible, it's entirely possible. You're just complicating things. Of course it's possible, but that doesn't mean you will actually hit your target. When I say aiming them is impossible, of course I wasn't being literal. Surely it can happen, but almost never would. They're more likely to hit their target by focusing where just one of their guns is going to go. Precisely. That's why it's highly improbable that you'll hit something, let alone a moving target, with two weapons. That was right after I compared aiming with two guns and two water pistols. You mentioned rifles, despite me saying 'light guns'. Looks like you went wrong somewhere. No, you erroneously suggested that firing a squirt gun was even remotely comparable to firing a hand gun, so I drew the same parallel between a supersoaker and a rifle. What is it about a gun that cripples it's ability to be aimed and shot at something because it is being held by one hand? Recoil, for one. Now (yes I know, I'm using the same analogy, but this is just so apt) have you ever fired a rifle? Notice how difficult it is to aim as opposed to a large supersoaker. It's the same with hand guns vs. squit guns. Give a body builder or at least someone who is physically fit and strong two pistols and I guarantee he can learn to use both because he'll be able to handle the recoil and keep a tight grip on each weapon. And he will be mowed down by someone with one gun. And lol at the videos. So because someone can stand there and shoot directly in front of him, he will be able to move around and shoot at moving targets? And no one seems to respond to this: Dual weapons will ruin the aesthetic of what is meant to look like a serious crime drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Brandon Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 But firing two light weighted guns is plausible, it's entirely possible. You're just complicating things. Of course it's possible, but that doesn't mean you will actually hit your target. When I say aiming them is impossible, of course I wasn't being literal. Surely it can happen, but almost never would. They're more likely to hit their target by focusing where just one of their guns is going to go. Precisely. That's why it's highly improbable that you'll hit something, let alone a moving target, with two weapons. That was right after I compared aiming with two guns and two water pistols. You mentioned rifles, despite me saying 'light guns'. Looks like you went wrong somewhere. No, you erroneously suggested that firing a squirt gun was even remotely comparable to firing a hand gun, so I drew the same parallel between a supersoaker and a rifle. What is it about a gun that cripples it's ability to be aimed and shot at something because it is being held by one hand? Recoil, for one. Now (yes I know, I'm using the same analogy, but this is just so apt) have you ever fired a rifle? Notice how difficult it is to aim as opposed to a large supersoaker. It's the same with hand guns vs. squit guns. Give a body builder or at least someone who is physically fit and strong two pistols and I guarantee he can learn to use both because he'll be able to handle the recoil and keep a tight grip on each weapon. And he will be mowed down by someone with one gun. And lol at the videos. So because someone can stand there and shoot directly in front of him, he will be able to move around and shoot at moving targets? And no one seems to respond to this: Dual weapons will ruin the aesthetic of what is meant to look like a serious crime drama. GTA IV is still a video game and video games are allowed to take a step away from the realism of real life. If a man in real life can shoot two M249 SAWs at the same time why can't a made-up video game character fire two glocks. I don't see why the concept pisses you of so much. The feature in no way would ruin the serious feel of GTA IV. Go join a real gang and get killed if you want a 100% realistic crime experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzzybones Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 well i shooted with a 9 mm in each hand at a shooting range and its not that hard.why wont you just get it? but gta its a video game series it isn't supposed to be real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Yes, it's supposed to be more realistic, but I don't think you guys get it. It's not supposed to be a "life simulator" it's meant to take on the aesthetic of a serious crime drama like Goodfellas or something. That's why dual wielding would ruin the feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysniper Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 SHUT THE f*ck UP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabaannz Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Ever notice in the game that when your gun runs out of ammo, you pop out the clip and put in a fresh one... no big deal. Now think about the logistics of re-loading 2 guns at the same time... what are ya gonna do? You'd look like a damn fool in the middle of a deathmatch fumbling around on the ground trying to reload two guns... so sure, it's totally possible to shoot dual guns in real life, and those vids of dudes unleashing is key, but I don't think having dual weapons is gonna add anything to the gameplay or is it even nessessary. waste of time. on the other hand... dual sniper rifles would make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reform Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 haha, I've lol'd pretty hard at this debate. As I said already, if dual wield happens I won't be upset. Nor will I be if it doesn't happen. Tanks and planes add a whole lot more to the game. I'd rather have them than 2 guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordy. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Ever notice in the game that when your gun runs out of ammo, you pop out the clip and put in a fresh one... no big deal. Now think about the logistics of re-loading 2 guns at the same time... what are ya gonna do? You'd look like a damn fool in the middle of a deathmatch fumbling around on the ground trying to reload two guns... so sure, it's totally possible to shoot dual guns in real life, and those vids of dudes unleashing is key, but I don't think having dual weapons is gonna add anything to the gameplay or is it even nessessary. waste of time. on the other hand... dual sniper rifles would make sense. C.J didn't have a problem re-loading... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysniper Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 c.j also managed to grow a beard at a snap of the fingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reform Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 give cj a break, his mum is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerner Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 c.j also managed to grow a beard at a snap of the fingers And CJ had a Jetpack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Fünke Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 You know what is realistic? Me going out and eating a nice juicy steak. You know why no one makes a game about that? It's boring as f*ck. Realism, like life, is boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjoii Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 You know what is realistic? Me going out and eating a nice juicy steak. You know why no one makes a game about that? It's boring as f*ck. Realism, like life, is boring. Well, quite a few people wanted Steak, but I know what you mean. I share the same opinion as reform on the whole dual-wielding argument, I'm not overly bothered either way. If it's in, that's fine. If it's not, that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkjellman Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Im thinking that there may be Leer Jets. Let me tell you why. When I was watching Im Ritch (well playing in Niko's story) on the TV. What I saw was a yellow Leer Jet. It couldent of ben in rocstars other games because Ive never seen a yellow Leer Jet in one of there games and it couldent of been in anuther companys game because of law sute. Ive never seen it in GTA IV ecept on TV and The back round and lighting looked like GTA4. The plaine looked more detaled then the fake ones at the airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabaannz Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) Im thinking that there may be Leer Jets. Let me tell you why. When I was watching Im Ritch (well playing in Niko's story) on the TV. What I saw was a yellow Leer Jet. It couldent of ben in rocstars other games because Ive never seen a yellow Leer Jet in one of there games and it couldent of been in anuther companys game because of law sute. Ive never seen it in GTA IV ecept on TV and The back round and lighting looked like GTA4. The plaine looked more detaled then the fake ones at the airport. you know, it would make sense and fit with the highlife etc, but where do ya fly to? I can see the mission now... you go to the airport, get the plane, fly up into the air, go around in circles for hours, then land at the airport again...good times. Maybe if ya have a dual leer jets that would be cool. Edited May 30, 2009 by dabaannz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reform Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 They could always just have flyable planes at the airport without having them used in any missions. or use one in a mission where you're not flying them, but shooting one down or something. and lol @ dual wielding leer jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Maybe Luis would hit the plane into a drug warehouse or something? That way the city thinks it terrorist not orgainzed crime? But I would like planes just to f*** around in off mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Yes, it's supposed to be more realistic, but I don't think you guys get it. It's not supposed to be a "life simulator" it's meant to take on the aesthetic of a serious crime drama like Goodfellas or something. That's why dual wielding would ruin the feel. Correct, it isn't susposed to be a life simulator. It's a video game. And yes, it's based on crime drama's, and geuss what? Some crime dramas have people shooting two pistols at the same time. I guarantee you. And, goodfellas isn't the only crime drama on the planet. How in right f*ck would shooting two pistols ruin a game? Rockstar does'nt let realism get in the way of fun. Period. If they want to add a f*cking Jetpack, let them. Realism isn't what gaming's about, fun is what gaming's about. Rockstar will give us fun anyway they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordy. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 c.j also managed to grow a beard at a snap of the fingers It's not like that. I was implying that a reload animation for the protagonist is possible because they had one for San Andreas. The other guy didn't think it would be possible to reload without putting both guns on the floor and doing it slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabaannz Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 c.j also managed to grow a beard at a snap of the fingers It's not like that. I was implying that a reload animation for the protagonist is possible because they had one for San Andreas. The other guy didn't think it would be possible to reload without putting both guns on the floor and doing it slowly. I seriously can't figure out any other method of re-loading two guns at the same time then having to put one down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordy. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 c.j also managed to grow a beard at a snap of the fingers It's not like that. I was implying that a reload animation for the protagonist is possible because they had one for San Andreas. The other guy didn't think it would be possible to reload without putting both guns on the floor and doing it slowly. I seriously can't figure out any other method of re-loading two guns at the same time then having to put one down... We should play San Andreas and find out. On the Max Payne game, Max always had clips attached to his waist. So he simply poured the old clips out the handles, then brought the guns to his waist and slid the new clips inside. But it doesn't matter really because GTA IV doesn't show any clips being removed or added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reform Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 If you ever opened one bar of chocolate with another bar of chocolate in the other hand, it's a bit like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysniper Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 If you ever opened one bar of chocolate with another bar of chocolate in the other hand, it's a bit like that. haha thats the best analogy ive heard in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 geuss what? Some crime dramas have people shooting two pistols at the same time. Name one. An actual proper drama, not lethal weapon or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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