TT1987 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I hated the jetpack in San Andreas so I'm all against it. I have no problem with dual weapons though. They're as useful as the fingerless gloves. And we all know that no fingerless gloves, no fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerner Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Ugh, for once can we stop blabbering about unrealistic things... Dual weapons, like pistols, uzi's, ect., are possible. How many shooting have you heard of where the assailant used duel weapons, please? Umm... Basically every shooting that I committed using a pistol/uzi in san andreas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reform Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I'm not even against dual wield, i'm just saying. GTA should be about making us say "wow, that was f*cking cool" and "f*ck, this is too much fun" Unrealistic elements that can provoke such reactions are NO bad thing at all. I'm not saying I want aliens, jetpacks, dragons, or anything too rediculous. "Hollywood realism" is no bad thing in a game. They are both entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I'm not even against dual wield, i'm just saying. GTA should be about making us say "wow, that was f*cking cool" and "f*ck, this is too much fun" Unrealistic elements that can provoke such reactions are NO bad thing at all. I'm not saying I want aliens, jetpacks, dragons, or anything too rediculous. "Hollywood realism" is no bad thing in a game. They are both entertainment. YES EXCACTLY! People who are up there own ass with "Realism" are taking what R* said waay to far. Games are still about fun, cod5 discluded in that category, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I'm not even against dual wield, i'm just saying. GTA should be about making us say "wow, that was f*cking cool" and "f*ck, this is too much fun" Unrealistic elements that can provoke such reactions are NO bad thing at all. I'm not saying I want aliens, jetpacks, dragons, or anything too rediculous. "Hollywood realism" is no bad thing in a game. They are both entertainment. Then why not have Luiz put the gun in his mouth and pull the trigger with his tongue? Honestly now, that's not where Rockstar is taking the series. It's not going to feature Rush Hour or Fastlane-esque actionwith duel weapons and such, it's supposed to feel like a serious crime movie, like Goodfellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reform Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Then why not have Luiz put the gun in his mouth and pull the trigger with his tongue? Honestly now, that's not where Rockstar is taking the series. It's not going to feature Rush Hour or Fastlane-esque actionwith duel weapons and such, it's supposed to feel like a serious crime movie, like Goodfellas. Because that would just be stupid. How many people have "shooting a gun from your mouth" on their wishlist for future GTA games? I'm just not stuck up about insignificant things like wether or not you can dual wield in future games. If they put it in I won't care and if they don't I won't care. And taking the game in a "serious crime movie" direction is only going to take the series so far before people get tired. New cites, new stories and new missions mean a lot less, in the large picture, than sandbox freedom, which is where the replayablity lies, and where GTA made its name. Don't take that the wrong way, and don't be one of these people who says "well go play saints row". If saints row gave me everything I wanted I'd be playing it right now, but I'm not. But I'm not playing GTAIV either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzzybones Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 double wielded weapons will be back,believe that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchJ90 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I want realism for this game. Many fans are tired? Well many fans aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sputz mcenzie Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 GTA is not a life simulator. Many people are tired of fans using the realism, or character excuse. . you have explained what ive been trying to explain for a loong time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordy. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Dual wielding guns is unrealistic? Jesus christ.... JORDY'S AMAZING SUPER AWESOME GUIDE TO HOLD 2 GUNS AT THE SAME TIME DESPITE BEING UNREALISTIC AND UN-LIKLEY TO EVER HAPPEN!!! STEP 1: Pick up a gun with one hand. Make sure the gun is light enough for you to hold though! STEP 2: Repeat step 1 except using your other hand. I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY AND UNREALISTIC BUT IT WILL WORK! STEP 3: This is the tricky part. By now, you probably think this is just too 'off the wall' and very unreal but bare with me. You must now point both guns at your target and pull each triggers. THERE YOU HAVE IT! YOU HAVE JUST DEFIED PHYSICS AND WHATS POSSIBLE! What's that? You want a tip on how to be a bodyguard for a gay guy and get a hold of a jetpack? Well thats just silly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScratchCard Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Not even remotely funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordy. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Not even remotely funny. But it proved my and many other's points. Dual wielding guns is not unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Dual wielding guns is not unrealistic. Yes it is. Every wonder why you don't see cops with two guns? It's almost impossible to aim two guns at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reform Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) because it would cost them twice as much. because it would be overkill. because they are not in a movie or video game. Edited May 30, 2009 by reform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmoonchild Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Not even remotely funny. No, it was extremely funny. Great job, Jordy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Look, my main point is that it would ruin the aesthetic of the game. It's meant to look like a serious crime drama (albeit still far fetched), not something ricdiculour like Rush Hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordy. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Dual wielding guns is not unrealistic. Yes it is. Every wonder why you don't see cops with two guns? It's almost impossible to aim two guns at the same time. Oh shut up. Ever had a water pistol fight and had one gun in each hand? It's not difficult at all to hit someone. JORDY LOOKS INTO THE FUTURE But thats water, not bullets... It doesn't make a difference. You said its almost impossible to aim with two guns, well if water could hit someone despite being blown by wind and a slow rate of fire and short range, bullets would do just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Oh shut up. Ever had a water pistol fight and had one gun in each hand? It's not difficult at all to hit someone. JORDY LOOKS INTO THE FUTURE But thats water, not bullets... It doesn't make a difference. You said its almost impossible to aim with two guns, well if water could hit someone despite being blown by wind and a slow rate of fire and short range, bullets would do just fine. I'm guessing you've never fired a firearm before. It's completely different to water pistols. It's incredibly easy to hit someone when using a super soaker, but still quite difficult to hit a target using a rifle... ever wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pr0xy_fl00d3r Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Why does this thread exist? we all know that IV is meant to be realistic, why the hell would any of these features be evident in the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordy. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) Oh shut up. Ever had a water pistol fight and had one gun in each hand? It's not difficult at all to hit someone. JORDY LOOKS INTO THE FUTURE But thats water, not bullets... It doesn't make a difference. You said its almost impossible to aim with two guns, well if water could hit someone despite being blown by wind and a slow rate of fire and short range, bullets would do just fine. I'm guessing you've never fired a firearm before. It's completely different to water pistols. It's incredibly easy to hit someone when using a super soaker, but still quite difficult to hit a target using a rifle... ever wonder why? Because rifles are difficult to dual wield. But I already know that! Didn't you read my guide? You have to use light weighted guns, just like San Andreas did. And for the record: I've held my relative's .357 Magnums a few times, and fired one of them when we were out in the country. He wouldn't let me try two though, he was already skeptical about one. He worries too much. Edited May 30, 2009 by Jordy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScratchCard Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I think nothing will change with this DLC. Just the same thing as with the 1st one: More of the same. Next game is my first guess. Oh and btw, CTW had dual guns. (Throwing wood into the fire..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Because rifles are difficult to dual wield. Did I say dual wield a rifle? No, I said hit a target with a rifle. Doing that is hard with just one, yet it's easy with a supersoaker the same size as a rifle. Didn't you read my guide? You have to use light weighted guns, just like San Andreas did. Your guide was a highly erroneous way of illustrating your point. "I can concieve x, therefore, x is plausible", which is a llogical fallacy. Concievable (or just something appears plausible) =/= plausible. I can concieve pushing down off the ground hard enough that I fly to the moon; it doesn't seem that implausible on it's face, but it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordy. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Your large vocab range isn't going to solve anything. Did you just compare shooting two guns with jumping to the moon? Is it really that impossible? Firing two guns requires a good grip in both hands and the ability to point objects in your hands in the direction you want. That doesn't require a miracle, really. But whatever. I'm wasting my time arguing with you because you refuse to get it in your head that it is possible, and as realistic as getting a hold of just one gun. About the rifles.. We're talking about dual wielding here, not aiming with a rifle, let alone two. Dual wielding pistols is one thing, dual rifles is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reform Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 not like it'd be hard to incur some kind of in-game accuracy penalty when using two weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Did you just compare shooting two guns with jumping to the moon? Is it really that impossible? No, I'm saying simply because you can concieve something doesn't mean it's plausible. It's not ad absurdum (as you are making it out to be), it's just an analogy. It's like how in response to a bare assertion fallacy, people say "I could say I saw a cyclops, that doesn't make it so". Of course, the original assertion may not be as outlandish as seeing a cyclops - it's just a persuasive writing technique. Firing two guns requires a good grip in both hands and the ability to point objects in your hands in the direction you want. And we're back to square one. I'll say it again: Because you can concieve something, doesn't make it plausible. Go an fire a wepon and you'll see what I mean. There's a good reason almost no shooters every use two guns. That's why cops and soldiers only carry one pistol. We're talking about dual wielding here, not aiming with a rifle, let alone two. ... I never mentioned dual rifles. I'm simply saying it's erroneous to draw a parellel firing a firearm with firing a water gun, once we consider the differening physics in the make up of the two objects. Its like saying that because I can throw my keys on my roof I can therefore throw them up a skyscraper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysniper Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 hate to intrude into your little argument, but no one really cares, dual wielding is kinda unrealistic in fact its just not pratical, but its not on the same level as a jetpack. so will you two just calm the f*ck down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic_Al Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 We already know how much change to expect from the amount of change or lack of change in TLAD compared to IV. It doesn't make sense to think the second episode will go any farther. They are three parts of the same project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reform Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 But just for lols, because dual DE's is indeed stupid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Brandon Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Firing two guns requires a good grip in both hands and the ability to point objects in your hands in the direction you want. And we're back to square one. I'll say it again: Because you can concieve something, doesn't make it plausible. Go an fire a wepon and you'll see what I mean. There's a good reason almost no shooters every use two guns. That's why cops and soldiers only carry one pistol. Hey you want to know something it is a f*cking game. So what if in real life you can't effectively use two guns at one time. GTA 4 isn't a perfect life simulator. There can still be some unrealistic aspects to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzzybones Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 gta IV is a videogame,it isn't supposed to be that realistic,if you want reality open a window and enjoy the outside world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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