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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

BoGT character speculation [spoilers]

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NonRetard
I always thought how the death of The Fitz was only relayed through Ashley to Johnny was sort of ineffective.  I played through LotD again with a friend, and he thought not showing Jim's death was intended, not so much a creative choice, because Luis will probably be the one who will do him in, during a mission for The Ballad of Gay Tony.

It's not Luis. It's Niko.

Aw hell. Hm.

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Money Over Bullshit
Good job! I reckon we'll see some more of Lyle & Tom Rivas. According to the LCPD database, Lyle was an avid bodybuilder with a tendancy to use steroids. He's also involved with the Spanish Lords AND illegal street racing. Maybe he'll be involved with the Fight Club? And French Tom knows Gay Tony is broke, the database lists him as a hustler & con man, and that he's emptied several bank accounts of men he's charmed.

 

Other guys to watch out for are Alonzo & Oscar Gomez, Teddy Benevedez, and Willy Valerio

The L. Rivas info is in the database to connect him with Broocie, and `French Tom` will be history when BGT starts

Not Necessarily. If BOGT starts when Niko arrives in Bohan he doesn't have to die untill a few missions in... It just depends on the order of the missions. I reckon he will make a brief appearence before being iced by Niko.

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

Sorry, but Im bumping this.

 

 

I think that Luis will have the oppurtunity to excecute bulgarin in some epic way, after a lenghthy car chase. I hope this will settle Niko's troubles.

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blaisey boi

will dimriti or whatever be involved? and also will you see gracies dad. plus what will you do during the GTA IV mission Three Leaf Clover? smile.gif

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will dimriti or whatever be involved? and also will you see gracies dad. plus what will you do during the GTA IV mission Three Leaf Clover? smile.gif

The three leaf clover question is an interesting one.

 

I am not entirely sure that it is going to be a playable mission from a luis standpoint. His role is that mission was the same as everyone else in that bank. It was a wrong place, wrong time thing.

 

I mean in real life when a bank gets robbed, i am not doing anything else but complying with people. Its stay down until the robbers leave and then go through 20 questions with the police.

 

The only feesable way I see him active in this mission is if he knew the bank robbery was taking place by the McCreary's and he was going to check the vault after they departed. Which would make everyone involved in the robbery a distraction for the police because i believe there was still money in the vault but they didnt have the time to grab it.

 

Otherwise i just think it will be something thats alluded to

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blaisey boi

i think that maybe French Tom will be in it maybe a regular at a night club or something.

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ChrisMathers3501

I think the reason Luis is so pissed when he lights up the museum is because Niko had killed Alonso Gomez and Teddy Benavidez, and Johnny had killed Evan Moss.

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Jack O' Brian

Excelent happy.gif

This provides us with a bit of backround imfomation.

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blaisey boi

Yea thanks for that i dont rely watch the cutscenes ne more so i dnt no wht happens...Wht im woundering is if Dimirti will play any part of this story at all.

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junkpile
I think the reason Luis is so pissed when he lights up the museum is because Niko had killed Alonso Gomez and Teddy Benavidez, and Johnny had killed Evan Moss.

i doubt luis knows who the killer is.

also, niko doesn't have any personal issues with them. he is just a hired gun by ray boccino in that case.

 

i think this might be like in TLAD. the lost thinks the angels of death killed jason.

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JOSEPH X
I think the reason Luis is so pissed when he lights up the museum is because Niko had killed Alonso Gomez and Teddy Benavidez, and Johnny had killed Evan Moss.

i doubt luis knows who the killer is.

also, niko doesn't have any personal issues with them. he is just a hired gun by ray boccino in that case.

 

i think this might be like in TLAD. the lost thinks the angels of death killed jason.

Luis might have found out who the killer of Teddy is thru a third party, such as Oscar.

 

Oscar could be working with Ray Boccino, and feeding Luis a line all the time, a bit like Ashley only in reverse. Getting him to do stuff, but with an ulterior motive, `The Fake` you could say.

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junkpile

^ got a question:

 

ALONZO GOMEZ...is the goon with the gray shirt you gotta scare in the beginning of "a long way to fall" him?

what does the police data say? he is DEAD?

 

i see a continuity error coming if it's him since you can spare or kill him.

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Lavalization

i think they will just say alonzo is dead

but maybe he gets hospitalized

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JOSEPH X
^ got a question:

 

ALONZO GOMEZ...is the goon with the gray shirt you gotta scare in the beginning of "a long way to fall" him?

what does the police data say? he is DEAD?

 

i see a continuity error coming if it's him since you can spare or kill him.

Ah my Friend...one is called Alonso, and one is called Alonzo.

 

It`s Alonso Gomez in the database, and Alonzo in A Long Way to Fall. the guy you intimidate is a generic ped, seen all over Liberty City, and I don`t think they`d put a `choice` character in a DLC

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Money Over Bullshit
i think they will just say alonzo is dead

but maybe he gets hospitalized

I dont think Alonso's status will be mentioned like they'll probably just say Teddy and some of the gang got killed in the projects... Alonso could be one of the guys who gets killed but then again he might not be. Or they cud just let him live because We're able to shoot Luis in Three Leaf Clover and he clearly survives so this cud be the same with Alonso as killing him is not neccessary to complete the mission.

 

I think they'll also change his appearence like they did with Jim seeing as though he's just a generic pedestrian model in IV.

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Tyla

Just a random thought, but I was wondering about the Latino guys that spawn in Alderney City that are seen to be friendly with the Koreans. They are supposed to be Spanish Lords, but the same character models(similar to the situation with M.O.B and North Holland Hustlers) appear for the Torres Cartel/Teddy Benevedez gang. Teddy is supposed to be paying the Pegorino's so that they can operate in Alderney City, so maybe the guys that spawn there are actually Dominicans? Were the Koreans touched upon in Chinatown Wars?(I haven't played it)

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General Goose

Yeah, but the Koreans were based in Bohan.

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ChrisMathers3501

I just thought of something - we might see Leila Sharpe. She was only mentioned in TLAD and her police file says she's dead by the end of GTA4, and she's not seeing Johnny anymore, and that's pretty much all we know about her.

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

 

Yeah, but the Koreans were based in Bohan.

I always thought the koreans were based around Alderney city?

 

The Spanish Lords & Albanian mob operate in Bohan.

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Tyla

There's also the Lupisella Family(according to the database) but they don't spawn in game. But if BOGT puts more of a spotlight on the mob, I could see them being Fortside/Boulevard types of guys. I'm longing to see more personality added to the five families, especially in the form of character models/spawn locations. The Gambetti Family character models seem to be the same as the Bouncers at Perestroika, but the same guys can also be seen as "Ray's guys" in TLAD, and the Jewish Mafia in Museam Piece. Jimmy Pegorino has one as a Bodyguard in Pest Control, and one is also present as Gravelli's bodyguard while he is in hospital.

 

I'm also hoping for generic spawn locations for gangs, kind of like the Burger Shot in Beechwood City and the AOD. Some Ancelotti's playing cards in front of the Waste Management plant, North Holland Hustlers at The Triangle Club, Pegorino mobsters at Honkers etc. It wouldn't have to be one specific gang, either, it could be several showing up at various interiors around the city.

 

It would also be nice if Luis had various connections/is known by various people around the town. The Bouncers at Honkers were members of The Lost(or at least the same character models) as were the arms dealers in Broker and Alderney, yet they didn't know Johnny(the Vice President/Leader). A fellow Doorman, known through the grapevine, could get Luis into a club with ease, whereas with someone like Johnny, that same Doorman might be hesitant, the same with Niko if he were wearing his casual clothing.

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yzzybones
I just thought of something - we might see Leila Sharpe. She was only mentioned in TLAD and her police file says she's dead by the end of GTA4, and she's not seeing Johnny anymore, and that's pretty much all we know about her.

I don't think we'll see that.

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Tyla

One person I'm wondering about is Joe Corrola, a high ranking member of the Pavano Crime Syndicate. Corrola is in charge of their Heroin distribution network, and is often seen with African American drug dealers in North Holland. I'm assuming he's connected to either the North Holland Hustlers, and/or the M.O.B, and possibly Clarence Little's gang if Rockstar has them make the short trip over from East Holland to make exchanges.

 

He is also listed as deceased. This leads me to believe Luis will kill him on behalf of the Dominican Dealers because Corrola is feeding drugs to them, which in turn they can sell for lavish profits and get one over on the Dominican operation.

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Money Over Bullshit
One person I'm wondering about is Joe Corrola, a high ranking member of the Pavano Crime Syndicate. Corrola is in charge of their Heroin distribution network, and is often seen with African American drug dealers in North Holland. I'm assuming he's connected to either the North Holland Hustlers, and/or the M.O.B, and possibly Clarence Little's gang if Rockstar has them make the short trip over from East Holland to make exchanges.

 

He is also listed as deceased. This leads me to believe Luis will kill him on behalf of the Dominican Dealers because Corrola is feeding drugs to them, which in turn they can sell for lavish profits and get one over on the Dominican operation.

I wondered about Joe Carolla and his connection to the North Holland Hustlers myself. That sounds like a good theory as to what could happen leading up to him being killed. I think everybody in the database with status such as Missing, Deceased or In Custody could potentially play a role in The Ballad as it seems unlikely that Rockstar would allude to something happening to people and not feature it in one of the stories somehow. Although Leila Sharpe is listed as Deceased in GTA IV and that isnt explained at all in TLAD so who knows.

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Tyla

Was Leila that girl in the opening cutscene of Angels in America?

 

As for Joe. It's the same case with Lupisella Family hitman Sonny Honarato. Even though he's never been seen in the game, I like the idea of his character a lot, as he seems a lot like Luca Brasi. He is listed as deceased, but I think it's a cover, due to the fact they also go on to say he's the suspect behind several bodies floating in the West River.

 

In a twist; maybe Corrola was supplying the Dominicans, and Honarato came in and killed him, provoking the Dominicans to retaliate? The Lupisella's are based in Bohan, and Bohan is quite near to North/East Holland. Especially since Fortside and Boulevard are where I think they are based.

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Astrixone

I think that claude wome.

He is a diamond dealer who worked with the jewish mob.

Also Evan, Tony's boy friend

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Tyla

Yeah. I like the idea of Claude Wome. Maybe he could turn up as the powerhouse behind the Jewish Mob? Issac seemed pretty confident of his chances with a war with Ray Boccino, without realizing Ray had his best hitman listening in to the conversation.

 

Also wondered about the guy who appears at the very start of IV and selling the Diamonds to Tony. He didn't sound foreign(by that I mean Russian, Balkan), though he had been based on the Platypus.

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Astrixone

Oh, also Oscar Gomez, supose to be luis friend as the database says.

 

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General Goose
Yeah, but the Koreans were based in Bohan.

I always thought the koreans were based around Alderney city?

 

The Spanish Lords & Albanian mob operate in Bohan.

In CTW, they are in the story, but operate in Eastern Bohan.

 

In IV, they operate in Alderney City. Was answering a question, should of explained.

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Money Over Bullshit

 

Yeah. I like the idea of Claude Wome. Maybe he could turn up as the powerhouse behind the Jewish Mob? Issac seemed pretty confident of his chances with a war with Ray Boccino, without realizing Ray had his best hitman listening in to the conversation.

 

Also wondered about the guy who appears at the very start of IV and selling the Diamonds to Tony. He didn't sound foreign(by that I mean Russian, Balkan), though he had been based on the Platypus.

Back in the days when The mafia were at their most powerful The Jewish Mafia were almost as powerful In New York as the 5 Major Families so maybe he was just confident with the power he had within his own Mob.

 

As regards to the cook.. It is common for Americans to work on an American cruise ship or whatever the Platypus was that travels around the world as cooks and cleaners so In my view it is not unusual that he isnt foreign like the passengers. I believe he is actually from Liberty City as he appears to have a native New York accent in Diamonds in the Rough. He may play a bigger part in the Diamond fiasco than we previously thought though... maybe he is working for one of the gangs in Liberty City.

 

Somewhat related to this, I noticed some things while playing "Diamonds in the Rough" and rather than creating a new topic I'll just post them here.

 

1. When the deal gets ambushed by the Lost, the Cook takes out a gun and starts firing at them. This seems pretty normal but this is what got me thinking about wether or not the cook is gang affiliated... Afterall Ray does tell Johnny that the diamonds were bought "From Wiseguys, by Wiseguys, For Wise guys" and this would suggest that the cook is the "Wiseguy" that the other Wiseguys (Luis and Tony/The Ancelottis) buy the diamonds from but this begs the question.. Who are the other Wiseguys the Diamonds are being bought for?

 

2. I previously thought that Luis's role when Johnny goes after the Limo would be to kill the remaining Lost Bikers that he leaves behind but after playing I noticed that Johnny tells the bikers to chase down Luis and Tony... Which they appear to do as they take off in the opposite direction to Johnny and go back out the way they came in (although Luis and Tony's car is not visible.. only the bikers). So this means that this mission in TBOGT will involve Luis and Tony fleeing the scene with the bikers chasing them (as opposed to the other way around).

 

3. If you get off your bike and walk towards the Platypus (to the right) rather than chasing the Limo you will see two of Tony's guys firing guns... at each other! I don't know wether this means anything but it's definitely strange.

Edited by Money Over Bullshit

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CJPNE

On WKTT during the lost and damned there is an interview with a woman called "Lurisa Slalom" I'm not sure if he name is spelt correctly as she doesn't show up on the LCPD database. But in her interview which she is talking about her new nightclub opening, she refers to Tony Prince as an asshole. She might have a small part in TBOGT Not sure if this has been mentioned, probably has, but meh.

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