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ThatsCool

Beta Map found!

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Motherstep
I believe R* said that Staten Island would be too boring in IV. Nevertheless, it would've been cool if they added Staten Island.

Just a little off topic, but I don't think there's such a thing as a boring area in Grand Theft Auto, there's nothing I like more than taking a stable car/bike and just exploring everything. Charge Island doesn't really do much, and yet that's one of the best areas to explore because it's simply desolate, aside from the industrial and warehouse playgrounds.

 

But yeah, nice find. I was just weighing up the size and the area in Alderney that was omitted and it's roughly the same dimension as Middle Park, which is a massive space. It may be deceiving because of the mass of water and trees, but have a look and you'll see that's a lot of space to toy with.

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VickeX
Yup, Mr. GTA IV Expert...

Lol, did you mean anything special by that? mercie_blink.gif

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Magic_Al

The beta map does not show an airport in Alderney. Note the very low resolution of the phone book artwork. The jaggies are making a road look more prominent but it's the same road, not a runway, that is in the game.

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TopHat01
Really nice find! cookie.gificon14.gif

There are loads of books scattered around the apartments and I never bothered to check them out. biggrin.gif

Have you seen the OG Loc CDs? biggrin.gif OG-LOC, BABY!

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Darrel

This is interesting. One of the reasons that was given for the absence of planes was only one airport so there would be no where to fly. Maybe there was a plan to include planes

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FiliGTAFan
Really nice find!  cookie.gif  icon14.gif

There are loads of books scattered around the apartments and I never bothered to check them out.  biggrin.gif

Have you seen the OG Loc CDs? biggrin.gif OG-LOC, BABY!

Lol, yeah. I've heard of it but I never checked it out. It's funny since he wasn't even a very good rapper in GTA SA. lol.gif

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Little-Jacob
Yup, Mr. GTA IV Expert...

Lol, did you mean anything special by that? mercie_blink.gif

Nah... This is just a nice information over there...

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Graven

Nice find. Thanks for posting icon14.gifcookie.gif

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Talldog9

This makes me sad. Knowing there could have been another area. Maybe an off-road track with ramps. cryani.gif

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foohy
I wonder why R* decided on  2 airports instead of 3 confused.gif

2 airports?

Whoops...I meant 2 runways.

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techliveadmin

Hmmm, confused, would have LOVED to see what that area *could* have been!

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ThatsCool
Hmmm, confused, would have LOVED to see what that area *could* have been!

Im already looking in the game files to maybe find some leftovers from this area

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Hmmm nice bike

 

I wonder why R* decided on  2 airports instead of 3 confused.gif

2 airports?

Whoops...I meant 2 runways.

The reason they might have taken out a runway could be because they thought it was a little too big and took up space, which might also be a reason why the big space in Alderney was omitted. I wish we could know what was there. ThatsCool: Please do search and see if there could have been any leftovers from this area. My guess is that there was a large forest/mini countryside.

 

Another thing, Meadows Park appears to be "reversed" when comparing the maps.

 

You know, it seems every major GTA coming out has the map drastically changed in the final version (GTA III: The airport was on Staunton Island, bigger Shorside Vale; in VC: Missing parts of the beach, no light house, bigger Fort Baxter Air Base; and in SA: a supposed Alcatraz/small island next to San Fierro, Flint County and Whetstone not separated by a river).

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

Nice find, although this just might be a tease by R*, you know what they're like, the old devils devil.gif

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DarrinPA

The Beta map makes it look a little more like the GTA3 map.

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Wolverine.
The reason they might have taken out a runway could be because they thought it was a little too big and took up space, which might also be a reason why the big space in Alderney was omitted. I wish we could know what was there. ThatsCool: Please do search and see if there could have been any leftovers from this area. My guess is that there was a large forest/mini countryside.

 

Another thing, Meadows Park appears to be "reversed" when comparing the maps.

 

You know, it seems every major GTA coming out has the map drastically changed in the final version (GTA III: The airport was on Staunton Island, bigger Shorside Vale; in VC: Missing parts of the beach, no light house, bigger Fort Baxter Air Base; and in SA: a supposed Alcatraz/small island next to San Fierro, Flint County and Whetstone not separated by a river).

There's nothing wrong with big space. I'm sure IV being a 6.7GB game could fit a few more space. After all, some games are 7GB. It would've been cool if the upper left side of Alderney had a boardwalk next to the Casino.

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ThatsCool

Looks like the Central Park was smaller in the beta version if you compare the final and the beta map

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t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

I wonder if anyone with the PC version could upload the texture for a better shot of it? It looks very interesting.

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The Aztek

I bet you if you look somewhere youll probably find the earliest versions of the map, which probably has a sh*t load more area.

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Magic_Al
I bet you if you look somewhere youll probably find the earliest versions of the map, which probably has a sh*t load more area.

In interviews Rockstar has said the city is the first thing they design. The phone book cover may be the oldest map in the game.

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The Aztek
I bet you if you look somewhere youll probably find the earliest versions of the map, which probably has a sh*t load more area.

In interviews Rockstar has said the city is the first thing they design. The phone book cover may be the oldest map in the game.

Yes, but I remember seeing a couple videos of the beta vice city which of course had the air base and all, but one part on the tiny sand textures, if you zoomed in it showed the first ever vice city map they planned, which had the origonal two islands and a third island in the middle larger then the two.

 

Just because this was the oldest map in the game doesnt mean its the oldest map they planned.

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bobgtafan

After seeing this I want Staten, Long and more of New Jersey in some GTA 4 DLC for some reason. And like someone said R* wouldn't have made Staten boring. Look at Chrage.

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MrGtaman
After seeing this I want Staten, Long and more of New Jersey in some GTA 4 DLC for some reason. And like someone said R* wouldn't have made Staten boring. Look at Chrage.

I doubt if they're gonna add any land to the current map, unless that DLC would feature III LC to which the missing land in Alderny could probably lead.

 

Nice find OP smile.gif

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El Zilcho
After seeing this I want Staten, Long and more of New Jersey in some GTA 4 DLC for some reason. And like someone said R* wouldn't have made Staten boring. Look at Chrage.

I doubt if they're gonna add any land to the current map, unless that DLC would feature III LC to which the missing land in Alderny could probably lead.

 

Nice find OP smile.gif

Let it go mate, this topic isn't for discussing whether II and IV are linked, which they clearly aren't Save it for the appropriate place, don't hijack the topic to post your ramblings.

 

The map was very interesting, I'm currently wondering whether or not there is any other beta map on something else scattered across LC.

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MrGtaman
After seeing this I want Staten, Long and more of New Jersey in some GTA 4 DLC for some reason. And like someone said R* wouldn't have made Staten boring. Look at Chrage.

I doubt if they're gonna add any land to the current map, unless that DLC would feature III LC to which the missing land in Alderny could probably lead.

 

Nice find OP smile.gif

Let it go mate, this topic isn't for discussing whether II and IV are linked, which they clearly aren't Save it for the appropriate place, don't hijack the topic to post your ramblings.

 

The map was very interesting, I'm currently wondering whether or not there is any other beta map on something else scattered across LC.

But they are, dude wink.gif And don't even try to troll me into this biggrin.gif

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El Zilcho
After seeing this I want Staten, Long and more of New Jersey in some GTA 4 DLC for some reason. And like someone said R* wouldn't have made Staten boring. Look at Chrage.

I doubt if they're gonna add any land to the current map, unless that DLC would feature III LC to which the missing land in Alderny could probably lead.

 

Nice find OP smile.gif

Let it go mate, this topic isn't for discussing whether II and IV are linked, which they clearly aren't Save it for the appropriate place, don't hijack the topic to post your ramblings.

 

The map was very interesting, I'm currently wondering whether or not there is any other beta map on something else scattered across LC.

But they are, dude wink.gif And don't even try to troll me into this biggrin.gif

Just STFU! I was saying to take it somewhere else, your crazy arguments may fit in some other place, but if you post randomly again, I'll report it. Because it's got nothing to do with this, mmmkay? Ok, i respect your theory but just shut up and post in an appropriate topic. No one here cares about that; we weren't discussing it. Just take it somewhere else.

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gta_rulez

Shame there are no loading times between the islands, maybe you could have seen a deleted building. Just like in Vice City tounge.gif

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MrGtaman

 

After seeing this I want Staten, Long and more of New Jersey in some GTA 4 DLC for some reason. And like someone said R* wouldn't have made Staten boring. Look at Chrage.

I doubt if they're gonna add any land to the current map, unless that DLC would feature III LC to which the missing land in Alderny could probably lead.

 

Nice find OP smile.gif

Let it go mate, this topic isn't for discussing whether II and IV are linked, which they clearly aren't Save it for the appropriate place, don't hijack the topic to post your ramblings.

 

The map was very interesting, I'm currently wondering whether or not there is any other beta map on something else scattered across LC.

But they are, dude wink.gif And don't even try to troll me into this biggrin.gif

Just STFU! I was saying to take it somewhere else, your crazy arguments may fit in some other place, but if you post randomly again, I'll report it. Because it's got nothing to do with this, mmmkay? Ok, i respect your theory but just shut up and post in an appropriate topic. No one here cares about that; we weren't discussing it. Just take it somewhere else.

I just said what I said and you started trolling. There we go, ok.

 

 

Shame there are no loading times between the islands, maybe you could have seen a deleted building. Just like in Vice City tounge.gif

 

Oh yeah, with those loadings IV would have, no doubt, been a lot better confused.gif

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El Zilcho

I like the fact there are no loading screens, the instantaneous travel is much better.

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Glumok

The texture from the game files (and with a 5x magnification) :

user posted image

(located in : pc/data/maps/interiors/missions/level_1.img > lev1_limo_office.wdr > bm_phone_book2 - open with SparkIV !)

 

A comparaison between "beta" map and final map :

user posted image

(white parts are from "beta" map)

 

And two quick other pics :

user posted image

user posted image

(green: beta - red: final)

 

 

Even more differences, in fact !

Edited by gorgeprofondegta4

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