Typhus Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) He's the same as every other political leader. They're all as bad as each other. If they're all as bad as each other, who would you vote for? Edited May 19, 2009 by Typhus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cursed Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I don't vote because I'm not 18. I probably won't vote even when I can legally either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Brown Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 Thanks guys for the discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alx-ndr Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) Please, Alx-dnr, get out & stop calling Gordon Brown a Nazi, how the hell is he a Nazi? he's a c*nt, but he's not a Nazi, gosh I think he's calling David Cameron a Nazi. Don't ask me why though, it just seems a rather childish jibe at those of us on the right wing of the political spectrum. Nazism is all about blood science, about preserving Germanic purity through the decimation and subjegation of other races. In what way do the Conservatives reflect this? BNP? Maybe. Combat18? For sure. But not the Conservatives. lol its just a term for them... I didn't make it up haha. Its just because of their general attitude... I've heard loads of people use it. I said closet-nazi anyway, they're so right winged (or they used to be) that they are like nazis. Its just someone who has traits of being a facist but doesn't realize it... Stop taking things literally just to start confrontation, unless u vote for them... then I guess you probably get where I'm coming from? I'm not an idiot... I didn't literally mean they kill jews and burn books. BACK ON TOPIC plz Not many good posts in here either... most ppl are like 'OMGZ hes a c*nt and keeps on being crap wit the moneys' ... what was his previous job? look it up... Edited May 19, 2009 by alx-ndr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Goose Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 He was a crap Chancellor. Not so much in the short term, but in the long term... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alx-ndr Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 He was a crap Chancellor. Not so much in the short term, but in the long term... wt do you mean by that? He made the UK sh*t loads of money from 1997 til 2007... if you remember the recession wasn't caused by anything to do with the government, soooo? and besides he wasn't even chancellor then... he also softened the blow to our economy, we would be as badly hit as the US or iceland if it wasn't for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Goose Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I refer you to my earlier post. It wasn't his fault, but we are hit worst then 90% of the western world, in part due to his policies (selling off all the gold reserves when low for one.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alx-ndr Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I refer you to my earlier post. It wasn't his fault, but we are hit worst then 90% of the western world, in part due to his policies (selling off all the gold reserves when low for one.) nah were not really... were one of the better off countries. Its not really a big deal anyway, any investments will recover In a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Goose Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I refer you to my earlier post. It wasn't his fault, but we are hit worst then 90% of the western world, in part due to his policies (selling off all the gold reserves when low for one.) nah were not really... were one of the better off countries. Its not really a big deal anyway, any investments will recover In a few years. Listen, most financial watchdogs, most financial experts, acknowledge the UK is one of the worst-off countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHRobertson Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Brown, I reckon, is finished. Between continued ill-feeling towards Blair's regime and all the other problems they've suffered or caused since then (the Economy, the current furore over expenses etc), I honestly can't see New Labour surviving the next election, whenever that may be. If Brown had called an Autumn election after he took power, then (assuming the Blair-backlash didn't do them in) Brown could've ridden out the Recession and we might not all be thinking so poorly of him right now (Part of the problem people have with Brown, as I see it, is that he's essentially an unelected leader - he was elected as Labour leader, but not as Prime Minister by the people*). Then again, hindsight is always is clearer than foresight. In my mind, Brown has become the New Labour equivalent of John Major, in that he's following on from a longtime, and by the end unpopular, Prime Minister, and is now taking the fall for many of the longterm mistakes made by their predecessors (at least, when it comes to the Economy). But, while Major managed to survive one election in the middle of the Post-Thatcher Recession (only to be massacred in the second), I doubt Brown'll manage even that. Which in all likelihood means that we'll be seeing Dave "I'm not a toff, honest" Cameron in Number 10 at some point in the next few years, whether we like it or not. * Yes, I know we don't technically choose who becomes Prime Minister, so don't bother pointing that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statutory Ray Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) Do you take drugs? No, but there's plenty of things I don't use, doesn't mean I want other people to lose the choice, let alone to have my own hard earned monet taken off me to manipulate other peoples' choices. Sometimes people need to be protected from themselves. Especially if their weakness corrodes the society around them. The black market created by the illegality of the substance corrodes society. Throwing people in jail for being addicts or because they sell for no reason other than having no other options due to complex socioeconomic issues and the low upward social mobility created by an laissez-faire approach to social problems and economics that is prominent in America. Look at the other major nations, they have much less problems with societal corrosion you claim is due to drug use, yet don't have a severely lower population of drugs users. Social safety nets are more effective than strict punishment. What you've said here pretty much screams "f*ck the poor" and I wouldn't be surprised if you'd be for euthanasia rather than progressive social reform. Why you might be called a Nazi:- Proud of your country - Tough on illegal immigration - From Israel - From Germany - Propose increases in national security - Support America - Hate terrorism (Oh, right, sorry. It's not terrorism, is it? Just poor, misunderstood souls fighting against Zionazi's...) - Right wing - Religious - Advocate of capital/corporal punishment - Advocate of drug control Who might call you a Nazi: - University students - Anarchists - Watered down Anarchists (94% of GTAForums then.) - Palestinian supporters (100% of DeviantArt.) - George Galloway - Junkies - Weird guys handing out pamphlets on a street corner Haha you're really dumb. Edited May 20, 2009 by Statutory Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard14 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 He's a spamming git and needs to be banned as soon as possible. Haha, you thought he meant himself because of his Username. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuyFromThere Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 While he is the biggest idiot in modern times, when I looked at the username of the topic creator I laughed my balls off... inactive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhus Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Haha you're really dumb. No. "Dumb" is presuming that total disorder to preferable to a solid, if flawed, system. And "dumb" is slapping a swastika on anything challenging that isn't in your political sphere. Although I think it's interesting you presume I hate the poor. Why would I hate the poor? You have any idea how long I looked for a job without getting anywhere? Or how many times I wondered where my next pay cheque was coming from? I don't hate the poor, I've been there, maybe I still am there. No, no, no, what I hate are those who have no love for their country, no love for order or safety. And let me tell you, those characteristics are not exclusive to one social class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 The black market created by the illegality of the substance corrodes society. Indeed. Throwing people in jail for being addicts or because they sell for no reason other than having no other options due to complex socioeconomic issues and the low upward social mobility created by an laissez-faire approach to social problems and economics that is prominent in America. You can't say "laissez-faire is evil" while arguing against drug control. Drug legalisation would be laissez-faire. Why should we let those poor, downtrotten people make their own choice with drugs, but having eveything else predecided for them by the government? You want to make a difference? Start a charity, don't just expect everyone else to work hard to pay for ineffective social programs. And yes, I'm pro drug legalisation. What you've said here pretty much screams "f*ck the poor" Stay classy, liberals... I wouldn't be surprised if you'd be for euthanasia rather than progressive social reform. Wow, the liberals sure are innovative. So the next big social program I'm going to have to bust my hump for, is going to cure pain and paralyzation, rendering euthanasia impotent? If not, I can't see why you think you have the right to stop me from requisitioning someone to end my life, if I can't do it myself. What you've said here pretty much screams "f*ck you, I have a hgher claim to your life than you; it's not just your pay cheque anymore". And "dumb" is slapping a swastika on anything challenging that isn't in your political sphere. From where I'm standing you both seem pretty Nazi. Peep it out: "We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: … an end to the power of the financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand … the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education … We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents … he government must undertake the improvement of public health – by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor … by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth. We combat the … materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of the common good before the individual good." – From the political program of the Nazi Party, adopted in Munich, February 24, 1920 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarz Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 He's unfortunately taking the fall for alot of crap which wasn't ejected from his own bowels. But, heavy lies the crown I suppose. He built a good reputation as a Chancellor, but then alot of that can be down to the fact that in 1997, the Labour party inherited a healthy and recovering economy. He rode that wave for a good while, but was always overshadowed by Blair. Now, he's taken on the mantle with a heap of problems. If times were good, no one would care that he hasn't been elected. But, the economy is bad (due to the global recession - out of Gordos' hands), the expenses scandal was an accepted practice in Westminster and self-regulated (again, out of Gordos' hands) and, generally speaking, most f*ck-ups by the Labour party can't be directly attributed to him. That said, the policy of 'borrowing money' to buy the country out of economic problems is ridiculous. What economic advisor would tell someone 'It's alright, you've got 20k worth of debt, so I recommend you borrow another 30k - that'll solve the problem!'. Uh... yeah right. If he loses at the next election (as expected), it'll obviously be as a product of more factors than his individual ability, although as above, that's questionable too. --- AMF --- -= A joke is a very serious thing - Winston Churchill =- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menaced Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Gordon Brown reminds me of Shrek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhus Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 If he loses at the next election (as expected), it'll obviously be as a product of more factors than his individual ability, although as above, that's questionable too. Not just expected. Certain. He could cure the common cold, make the sun shone more or even be endorsed by the Risen Jesus and it still wouldn't be enough. Labour has lost the trust of the British public, they ave lost their respect for what they did in Iraq, for their mountains of lies and the undercurrent of sleaze in the Labour regime. There is nothing Brown could possibly do to win this election. Sounds unreasonable? Remember what happened to Churchill, with his help the whole world was saved, but it still wasn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alx-ndr Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Haha you're really dumb. No. "Dumb" is presuming that total disorder to preferable to a solid, if flawed, system. And "dumb" is slapping a swastika on anything challenging that isn't in your political sphere. Although I think it's interesting you presume I hate the poor. Why would I hate the poor? You have any idea how long I looked for a job without getting anywhere? Or how many times I wondered where my next pay cheque was coming from? I don't hate the poor, I've been there, maybe I still am there. No, no, no, what I hate are those who have no love for their country, no love for order or safety. And let me tell you, those characteristics are not exclusive to one social class. lol u probably are dumb if you can't get a job... political sphere? Its more like what is right and what is wrong...some people believe that some clearly wrong issues are 'right' and some issues that will help our economy greatly are 'wrong.' Most people will any ounce of intelligence would believe in a party which has the best intentions for the country, not the party that is being blamed for something they had no power over. Imagine if the conservatives or lib dems had the financial crisis hit them... for one we would not be as economically strong when we first got hit and I don't think they would have dealt with it as well as the current government did. There is no way of telling if any political party would have done better or worse so lets just leave it at that and see what happens in the general election. If you voted labour in 1997 then I suggest you do it again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhus Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Haha you're really dumb. No. "Dumb" is presuming that total disorder to preferable to a solid, if flawed, system. And "dumb" is slapping a swastika on anything challenging that isn't in your political sphere. Although I think it's interesting you presume I hate the poor. Why would I hate the poor? You have any idea how long I looked for a job without getting anywhere? Or how many times I wondered where my next pay cheque was coming from? I don't hate the poor, I've been there, maybe I still am there. No, no, no, what I hate are those who have no love for their country, no love for order or safety. And let me tell you, those characteristics are not exclusive to one social class. lol u probably are dumb if you can't get a job... How does that make you dumb exactly? Sometimes people have bad luck. You can look and look and look, go for anything that comes along and life will still screw you over time and time again. Again, how exactly am I dumb? I really don't comprehend how you can accuse me of that particular failing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Brosnan Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 a fa**oting little f*cktard who cant rule a village for sh*t, let alone london. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard14 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Shouldn't this be in D&D by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D- Ice Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Obviously he doesent know the difference between a facist, German political party that incorporates both left & right wing politics, opposed to David Cameron, a centre-right politician from London. I could understand if he stood for what Hitler practiced during WWII, but he hasn't so I have no idea where he got the word Nazi from. Why you might be called a Nazi: - From Israel Who might call you a Nazi: - Palestinian supporters (100% of DeviantArt.) Well I don't blame them since the anti-Arab racism, mass punishment of innocents and hell - even the production of ghettos like the ones Nazi Germany built to keep Jews in appaling conditions on one side of a wall, and the more valuable Germanaic people on the other. Even worse is the use of this inequality as an excuse to show how Palestinians are big failures as they are living in such terrible conditions. Yes, it is a horrendous irony that the state built to Jews away from Europe after the Holocaust is using the exact same tactics as their once oppressors. Already many women and children are arrested and imprisoned in worse conditions than zoos for simple stuff like throwing a brick at an armoured vehicles which constantly raid their lands. I'm sure without international pressure and the US interests in keeping the Middle-East on side, they'd go to the next step and gas them all. As for Gordon Brown, I don't think he's that bad - much better than the Conservative right-wing c*nts anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlianAnt Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 [McSnip]lol u probably are dumb if you can't get a job... [McSnip] Okay, okay, so, with a rising unemployment rate, where good, honest, hardworking, intelligent people are getting laid off left and right, saturating the job market, I'm automatically stupid because I can't find a job? I find this personally insulting, seriously. How dare you call the misery and plight of people who can't find a job dumb? How about your company lays you off, and you're stuck living with your mother because you can't afford to live on your own? Better yet, how about you work your ass off, and I'll just claim unemployment. You pay your taxes, meanwhile, I'll just be sitting here at my computer, putting in minimum effort to show that I'm 'looking' for a job, and then I'll claim your tax money so I can continue doing nothing. Why do I get the feeling that you wouldn't mind the situation reversed where I'm the one paying my taxes, and you're the one sitting on your ass? Metal up your ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhus Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Well I don't blame them since the anti-Arab racism, mass punishment of innocents and hell - even the production of ghettos like the ones Nazi Germany built to keep Jews in appaling conditions on one side of a wall, and the more valuable Germanaic people on the other. Even worse is the use of this inequality as an excuse to show how Palestinians are big failures as they are living in such terrible conditions. Of course, Israel has acted appallingly. Shooting children and massacring an already vulnerable people. But a lot of Pro-Palestine folks seem horribly anti-semitic. They can't understand why Israel may act like monsters. Well, let me tell you, the abused become the abuser. Jews were kicked about in the last century, they were victimised and murdered and humiliated. Now they have their own nation, do you really think that they will tolerate anyone who wants their country wiped off the map? The shoe is now on the other foot. I don't like what they do, if the world had turned out differently then I can imagine the West as an enemy of Israel. But the fact is that they are an important ally to have against some of the bigger scumbags in the Middle East - and that includes Palestinians. It's just a never ending cycle of violence. Israelli crybabies send in the troops and Palestinian crybabies blow themselves up - claiming to be the victim as they send hordes of innocents to their death. You see, this is what happens when two people with a perscecution complex meet. No one can see reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Powers Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I think you should flush it. Max_Powers reads topic title again Oh gordon brown, I thought you meant "Golden Brown" By the sound of him, flush him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alx-ndr Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Haha you're really dumb. No. "Dumb" is presuming that total disorder to preferable to a solid, if flawed, system. And "dumb" is slapping a swastika on anything challenging that isn't in your political sphere. Although I think it's interesting you presume I hate the poor. Why would I hate the poor? You have any idea how long I looked for a job without getting anywhere? Or how many times I wondered where my next pay cheque was coming from? I don't hate the poor, I've been there, maybe I still am there. No, no, no, what I hate are those who have no love for their country, no love for order or safety. And let me tell you, those characteristics are not exclusive to one social class. lol u probably are dumb if you can't get a job... How does that make you dumb exactly? Sometimes people have bad luck. You can look and look and look, go for anything that comes along and life will still screw you over time and time again. Again, how exactly am I dumb? I really don't comprehend how you can accuse me of that particular failing. lol its not rocket science to get a job if u have qualifications... Okay, okay, so, with a rising unemployment rate, where good, honest, hardworking, intelligent people are getting laid off left and right, saturating the job market, I'm automatically stupid because I can't find a job? I find this personally insulting, seriously. How dare you call the misery and plight of people who can't find a job dumb? How about your company lays you off, and you're stuck living with your mother because you can't afford to live on your own? Better yet, how about you work your ass off, and I'll just claim unemployment. You pay your taxes, meanwhile, I'll just be sitting here at my computer, putting in minimum effort to show that I'm 'looking' for a job, and then I'll claim your tax money so I can continue doing nothing. Why do I get the feeling that you wouldn't mind the situation reversed where I'm the one paying my taxes, and you're the one sitting on your ass? Under qualified then, its pretty easy to get a job... I've never had a problem. Benefits gets you sh*t all money so I'd take the job... I'm doin a degree and I didn't need one, but I still managed to get part time studio tech work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhus Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 lol its not rocket science to get a job if u have qualifications... Mate, I've got qualifications. But for the longest time nothing worked for me. At all. And God knows I tried, I tried time and time again. Because being on benefits, accepting handouts from better people, was the most humiliating experience of my life. An inability to find work is not indicative of a lack of intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abel. Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Obviously he doesent know the difference between a facist, German political party that incorporates both left & right wing politics, opposed to David Cameron, a centre-right politician from London. I could understand if he stood for what Hitler practiced during WWII, but he hasn't so I have no idea where he got the word Nazi from. Why you might be called a Nazi: - Proud of your country - Tough on illegal immigration - From Israel - From Germany - Propose increases in national security - Support America - Hate terrorism (Oh, right, sorry. It's not terrorism, is it? Just poor, misunderstood souls fighting against Zionazi's...) - Right wing - Religious - Advocate of capital/corporal punishment - Advocate of drug control Who might call you a Nazi: - University students - Anarchists - Watered down Anarchists (94% of GTAForums then.) - Palestinian supporters (100% of DeviantArt.) - George Galloway - Junkies - Weird guys handing out pamphlets on a street corner Typhus, your posts throughout this topic have been informative and interesting, good posting . Anyway, my thoughts on Gordon Brown are that he is an incompetent leader, I have seen little improvements since his leadership debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Locked at TC's request so bitch to him not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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