The Social Club

[Ziggy455]

I was just referring to the typo in Outpust.

 

With these sorts of things, I think the most important element is the game's structure, as opposed to its idea or its plot. It's in figuring out how each writer interacts with each other, and the rules that go along with it. Not too keen on a player limit, as it could end up hurting more than it helps - but I suppose it's one way to weed out the chaff.

 

@VP - well, if you're using Celtx then it should be formatting it so that you can figure out the timing. In standard screenplay format (and I'm not certain, as I haven't researched it, but I think it should largely be the same with teleplays - I don't think the formatting is all that different) it usually translates to a page per minute. So for a 60 minute episode, you should be looking at 50-55 pages if it's a cable thing, or 40-45 if it's a standard show, perhaps? (Factoring in ad breaks and such here)

Ha. Didn't even notice the typo.

 

I'll work on that. I've gotta figure out how the characters can keep playing without constant moderation. Besides that I guess I've got some of it figured it out.

[VProductions]

 

@VP - well, if you're using Celtx then it should be formatting it so that you can figure out the timing. In standard screenplay format (and I'm not certain, as I haven't researched it, but I think it should largely be the same with teleplays - I don't think the formatting is all that different) it usually translates to a page per minute. So for a 60 minute episode, you should be looking at 50-55 pages if it's a cable thing, or 40-45 if it's a standard show, perhaps? (Factoring in ad breaks and such here)

Thanks, I wrote 11 pages and it took 15 minutes to act out so I think I need to go in to much more detail as most of that was speech.

 

Also I am planning a heist in Annihilation, is that overdone?

 

@Ziggy - Maybe the characters could flow against each other like one character is the rival of another character but they both update their stories after each other and they are both canon to each other.

Edited January 10, 2013 by VProductions

[Ziggy455]

Too much conflict would make the game boring. I think one way would be for each character have their own information table which states Health Status, Location etc. etc. And that after every three stories they are allowed to find certain supplies; blowtorches, blades, lighters. A randomized dice would help stories continue to flow but of course a moderator would be needed for such things.

 

Also why not put a spin on your heist, VP? The Dark Knight did it amazingly. Try and mix it up.

[Eminence]

It's already getting overcomplicated, I think. Status tables, things like that... it's too much. At the end of the day it's about writing... there just needs to be a few rules/guidelines to provide it with some form of structure.

 

@VP: Are heists overdone? Well, sure. But everything is, in its own way. Everything's been done before in some form or another. What you need to do is find a way to make your heist different. Usually the best way to do this is to make things character driven. Don't make the story revolve around the heist itself, make it revolve around the characters taking part in it. That way, the heist becomes a mere device used to bring these people into conflict - it could very easily be something different altogether, but the characters and their conflicts and interactions remain the same.

[Mokrie Dela]

If i'm honest i'd rather see the one shots topic picked up. One was done with fan fiction, but i think the one shots topic was one of the best created, it was a wonderful game that demanded adaptability and, the way i played it, (which was to write and NOT edit the work), was a good way to practice your skill.

[VProductions]

Thanks everyone, I am going to write my robbery unique. Also as another teaser for Annihilation, I can reveal that the robbery will be of a casino, and not at all close to the Oceans' movies.

 

Am I the first to write a TV Show on the writers discussion?

 

@Mokrie - I was hoping that the fan fiction one shots would have took off a bit more. I might take the this turn.

Edited January 10, 2013 by VProductions

[Mokrie Dela]

Thing with fanfiction is people either love it or hate it. Many of the regulars of this section dislike it, some even downright hate it. Personally I don't understand why people hate it - I understand it may not be everyone's cup of tea - some view it as a waste of talent and time, bu to HATE it? It's just another genre IMO but everyone's entitled and welcome to their opinions

 

That's why I think the original one shots is good - same thing but more possibilities

. Take my post for example - substitute any mention of vice city with Miami...

It was a great idea, but the audience is immediately restricted with the mere mentio of fanfiction

[VProductions]

Thing with fanfiction is people either love it or hate it. Many of the regulars of this section dislike it, some even downright hate it. Personally I don't understand why people hate it - I understand it may not be everyone's cup of tea - some view it as a waste of talent and time, bu to HATE it? It's just another genre IMO but everyone's entitled and welcome to their opinions

 

That's why I think the original one shots is good - same thing but more possibilities

. Take my post for example - substitute any mention of vice city with Miami...

It was a great idea, but the audience is immediately restricted with the mere mentio of fanfiction

I don't think it was always this way though 50 Shades (Sorry,I bet that has the Voldermort Effect when said) has put quite a few people off. I think it is fan fiction is a great opportunity to take something great and make it better.

[Mokrie Dela]

Was this way when I did city of lies that was before 50sog

 

Has always been like it I think

Fanfiction = marmite; love It or hate it

[VProductions]

@Mokrie - I always thought that fan fiction was popular before 50Shades.

 

@Anyone - How do you change from inside to outside a building in a TV Script, do you need another slug line or is it just continued, also will using another slug line make it the next scene?

[Eminence]

50 Shades has done nothing to alter (in my opinion) anyone's stance on fan-fiction. 50 Shades is just another flash in the pan... it has no real effect on anything to do with writers.

 

@ VP - No, you're not the first to write a TV show.

 

As for moving from inside to outside a building: yes, you need a new slug line, as it's a new location. Every time there's a change in location, it means a new slug line. But a new slug line doesn't necessary constitute a new scene: if you move from inside to outside, for example, it's clear to the reader that the action is continuous.

[Ziggy455]

50 Shades has done nothing to alter (in my opinion) anyone's stance on fan-fiction. 50 Shades is just another flash in the pan... it has no real effect on anything to do with writers.

 

@ VP - No, you're not the first to write a TV show.

 

As for moving from inside to outside a building: yes, you need a new slug line, as it's a new location. Every time there's a change in location, it means a new slug line. But a new slug line doesn't necessary constitute a new scene: if you move from inside to outside, for example, it's clear to the reader that the action is continuous.

Oh contraire! To all the Tween and One Direction generation of sh*tty writers, who must rub their clits with the keyboard, the ability of having such fanfiction critiqued or considered to be an actual contribution to the world of literature has been amplified with the release of Fifty Shades of sh*t.

[Tyler]

I feel like that's a pretty cynical way of looking at it, Zig.

[VProductions]

I feel like that's a pretty cynical way of looking at it, Zig.

Still kind of true.

[Mokrie Dela]

I read a bit of 50 shades in tesco once (surprising how it wasn't sealed up or anything, as it's basically literary porn), and didn't think much of it. Now perhaps i'm not one to comment, but i didnt feel it was well written at all. shocked people into buying it.

 

I have a theory at how fewer and fewer people care about reading nowadays. it's all CGI and films. Very few people out there probably know what "prose" means. I could be wrong but that's the impressing the world give me

[Ziggy455]

I read a bit of 50 shades in tesco once (surprising how it wasn't sealed up or anything, as it's basically literary porn), and didn't think much of it. Now perhaps i'm not one to comment, but i didnt feel it was well written at all. shocked people into buying it.

 

I have a theory at how fewer and fewer people care about reading nowadays. it's all CGI and films. Very few people out there probably know what "prose" means. I could be wrong but that's the impressing the world give me

Of course it wasn't written well. It's actually pretty awful.

[Typhus]

You know what? I don't understand 50 Shades of Grey, but if the author can get it published and see it become a success - good on her!

It's not my thing, I don't think it will be remembered in fifty years, but erotica is still literature and still deserves respect from a purely technical standpoint.

If you can publish your work and make others happier when they read your stories, then I think you've done a great thing.

 

Coincidentally, I want to publish some work on Kindle. I have a novella and may add some short stories to the end as a bonus.

Is that a good idea? Or is it cheating? Do you guys feel that publishing my work on Kindle is, in any way, as legitimate as actually having a publisher accept my work?

[Mokrie Dela]

It come under self publishing I'm sure. I have heard of a few people who have published Ebooks, and at the end of the day, as you've put it, if E L James publishes her book, and people enjoy it, then isn't that what matters? If you put your work on kindle, and people download it and enjoy it, then yes, i'd say that is legitimate, perhaps more so, as you're cutting out the middle man.

 

Does Kindle not have some kind of publishing process? If i wanted to, could i put something on there now? Or does it not work the way i think (i'm picturing Itunes store kinda thing). I should get one of them. Ordering books through the library is so outdated!

 

 

 

Back on topic, I see no reason why you can't do that. You won't hear me saying it's not legitimate, it's just a different medium - you get novels, audio books and electronic books.

 

to hell with the publishers - f*ck THE SYSTEM!

[VProductions]

EDIT: I am taking a few days off writing Annihilation to try a new planning exercise.

Edited January 15, 2013 by VProductions

[Eminence]

So if we direct our attention to AceRay's harsh, harsh detective skills, we'll find what I presume is the first thing Ziggy wrote/posted here.

 

And it got me thinking. Wouldn't it be interesting if we all posted the first stuff we wrote? Could be both entertaining and illuminating, in equal measures.

[Mokrie Dela]

So if we direct our attention to AceRay's harsh, harsh detective skills, we'll find what I presume is the first thing Ziggy wrote/posted here.

 

And it got me thinking. Wouldn't it be interesting if we all posted the first stuff we wrote? Could be both entertaining and illuminating, in equal measures.

interesting idea. Be cool to see how people have grown. I think mine might actually be City of Lies.... Or maybe a poem. Hmm....

[VProductions]

Mine was just me saying hi. .

 

I have been analysing various videogames and tv shows to see what stands out lately and how it is pulled off so I have had not time to write for three days, but today I have some time to improve my tv script.

[Mokrie Dela]

I think eminence meant what was the first story you uploaded on these forums

 

Mine appears to be City of Lies, not counting posts on the GTAIV chain story

 

Some day ill upload the first thing I ever wrote, though I have a feeling it had been edited...

[Ziggy455]

So if we direct our attention to AceRay's harsh, harsh detective skills, we'll find what I presume is the first thing Ziggy wrote/posted here.

 

And it got me thinking. Wouldn't it be interesting if we all posted the first stuff we wrote? Could be both entertaining and illuminating, in equal measures.

I didn't even write that crap.

 

[VProductions]

So if we direct our attention to AceRay's harsh, harsh detective skills, we'll find what I presume is the first thing Ziggy wrote/posted here.

 

And it got me thinking. Wouldn't it be interesting if we all posted the first stuff we wrote? Could be both entertaining and illuminating, in equal measures.

I didn't even write that crap.

 

?

 

Also, mine was "Courage" and I am going to go back to it in a while.

[Ziggy455]

So if we direct our attention to AceRay's harsh, harsh detective skills, we'll find what I presume is the first thing Ziggy wrote/posted here.

 

And it got me thinking. Wouldn't it be interesting if we all posted the first stuff we wrote? Could be both entertaining and illuminating, in equal measures.

I didn't even write that crap.

 

?

 

Also, mine was "Courage" and I am going to go back to it in a while.

T'was but a joke!

 

And I'll upload some old stuff so you can truly see that all writers have that 'HORRIFICALLY-EYE-GOUGING WORTHY' stage of writing before it becomes barely coherent.

[Eminence]

So if we direct our attention to AceRay's harsh, harsh detective skills, we'll find what I presume is the first thing Ziggy wrote/posted here.

 

And it got me thinking. Wouldn't it be interesting if we all posted the first stuff we wrote? Could be both entertaining and illuminating, in equal measures.

I didn't even write that crap.

 

?

 

Also, mine was "Courage" and I am going to go back to it in a while.

T'was but a joke!

 

And I'll upload some old stuff so you can truly see that all writers have that 'HORRIFICALLY-EYE-GOUGING WORTHY' stage of writing before it becomes barely coherent.

Yeah. Mine was a (ssssshhh!!) fanfic. Name-dropped loads of details: characters, locations, plot points. Awful.

[Ziggy455]

So if we direct our attention to AceRay's harsh, harsh detective skills, we'll find what I presume is the first thing Ziggy wrote/posted here.

 

And it got me thinking. Wouldn't it be interesting if we all posted the first stuff we wrote? Could be both entertaining and illuminating, in equal measures.

I didn't even write that crap.

 

?

 

Also, mine was "Courage" and I am going to go back to it in a while.

T'was but a joke!

 

And I'll upload some old stuff so you can truly see that all writers have that 'HORRIFICALLY-EYE-GOUGING WORTHY' stage of writing before it becomes barely coherent.

Yeah. Mine was a (ssssshhh!!) fanfic. Name-dropped loads of details: characters, locations, plot points. Awful.

It just goes to show even the people who seem most weathered here, really did start off themselves with a pencil, a GTA-duped mindset, and a bucketful of creativity.

[TonyZimmzy]

I re-read all the stuff I wrote when I was around 17 recently. It's bad. It's real bad. It's almost as bad as my current work.

[Ziggy455]

I re-read all the stuff I wrote when I was around 17 recently. It's bad. It's real bad. It's almost as bad as my current work.

We're all just poor, f*cked up writers in a big bastard pod.