TheBruceter Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 True true, but this guy is acting as though he knows every move. R* could just say f*ck it (more so after the contract is out) and release it. I think it was a bad strategy anyways, i always though, more so GTA, should be released on every platform at the same time with the same stuff. And from the looks of things, i didn't sell off that well on 360, so would really have made more sense from R* pov to just sell it on all 3. Time will tell but either way, i don't care. I have my sexy black console with a comfortable controller. Only thing i envy about 360 is music your own music playing through games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruAskew Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 As I said before: nobody knows the terms of the deal and everything points to this being a flat-out payment to Rockstar. Not a loan. Not an advance. A payment. Does that payment have advance- or loan-type stipulations? You don't know. I don't know. Michael f*cking Pachter doesn't know. I just want to know what kinda cut Guru is getting.. he seems to know everything about this, even the actual contract agreement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruAskew Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 i didn't sell off that well on 360 A million copies? That's $20 million right there. DLC2 will admittedly probably sell less, let's just say it brings in $15 million. That would leave $15 million more, and that's probably satisfactory for Microsoft since it's not all about DLC sales but also all the people who chose the 360 over the PS3 due to the GTA DLC. Is $15 million a "loss" when it's a huge strategic move in the 360 vs. PS3 war? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidGC Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 i didn't sell off that well on 360 A million copies? That's $20 million right there. DLC2 will admittedly probably sell less, let's just say it brings in $15 million. That would leave $15 million more, and that's probably satisfactory for Microsoft since it's not all about DLC sales but also all the people who chose the 360 over the PS3 due to the GTA DLC. Is $15 million a "loss" when it's a huge strategic move in the 360 vs. PS3 war? Probably not. He makes a good point because nobody is really factoring in the money that they gained from more system sales and software sales. Granted, it's probably not a gasp-worthy amount but it's probably enough to close that $15 million gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruAskew Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 The PS3 owners just like to imagine that it's some huge blow to Microsoft where they're going to go crawling back to Rockstar saying "omg pleaze giv us our moneys back lol and u can ttly release it on PS3 lol" and there's nothing to suggest that. Microsoft made an investment and it was a good investment if GTAIV sales (core game and DLC) and console sales are any indication. If it was a big bomb and Microsoft and Rockstar had reason to back out of the deal then the PS3 might see the content and that's why PS3 owners like to perpetuate the idea that the DLC sold poorly when that's really not the case. If the Rockstar/Microsoft partnership that resulted in this exclusive DLC was mutually-beneficial then Sony is in no position to get the content, and even if Microsoft was looking at a loss of several million dollars (and again, due to the console sales it's hard to gauge if the $50 million was worth it) I could see Microsoft preferring to eat millions of dollars before they conceded to Sony getting the content. As long as this content is exclusive to the 360 people will use that as a deciding factor between the two consoles and that's worth money to Microsoft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubicmonkey Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Microsoft's "exclusive" Fallout 3 content will soon be making its way over to the PS3. Oo-er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruAskew Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 How many millions of dollars did Microsoft pay to make that content exclusive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubicmonkey Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 We don't know. Just like we don't know whether Microsoft paid for TLAD exclusivity or just for the development with exclusivity merely promised. We don't know the terms of the contract between Rockstar and Microsoft and whether it's a permanent or timed exclusive. But if Microsoft paid for the exclusive Fallout 3 content, there's a greater chance of the PS3 seeing TLAD. It was also previously stated that the PS3 wouldn't be getting the Fallout 3 content, just as it has been said about the GTA IV content, and yet here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScratchCard Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 It's probarly gonna come out on PS3 one day. I can't wait tbh. TLaD seems far more intresting then Niko's story. Biker's rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSEPH X Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 How many millions of dollars did Microsoft pay to make that content exclusive? Sorry dude, but you need to have a word with yourself. I don`t think it`s healthy to get so hung up on the same topic of conversation over and over again. You are having an argument that will never end, because once one PS3 DLC thread falls off the radar, another will come along soon enough. Take my advice - forget about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerAndy Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I think it was a bad strategy anyways, i always though, more so GTA, should be released on every platform at the same time with the same stuff. And from the looks of things, i didn't sell off that well on 360, so would really have made more sense from R* pov to just sell it on all 3. From a business point of view R* probably couldn't care less how little it sold, they've already been paid! From a creative point of view I'm sure they do care, but that wasn't the point you were making... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruAskew Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) We don't know. Just like we don't know whether Microsoft paid for TLAD exclusivity or just for the development with exclusivity merely promised. We don't know the terms of the contract between Rockstar and Microsoft and whether it's a permanent or timed exclusive. But if Microsoft paid for the exclusive Fallout 3 content, there's a greater chance of the PS3 seeing TLAD. It was also previously stated that the PS3 wouldn't be getting the Fallout 3 content, just as it has been said about the GTA IV content, and yet here we are. But again, there are run-of-the-mill exclusivity deals that last like 6 months and there are $50 million exclusivity deals. Once again I'm going to play the "common sense" card and point out that a deal with such a highly-publicized dollar amount behind it is absolutely unprecedented (seriously, find one other deal where the amount was released) and as such the terms of the deal are likely unprecedented too. PS3 owners need to accept the fact that this was a huge deal. Rockstar discussed it in their fiscal wrapup. It was a massive source of revenue for the company. How many other exclusive DLC deals have this kind of impact on a company? Um... how 'bout none? So no, you can't say "Fallout DLC is coming to PS3 to TLAD is too" because it's absolutely an apples-and-oranges comparison. Once again: find me another $50 million exclusivity deal that lapsed at all, let alone in 6-12 months. Edited May 19, 2009 by GuruAskew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zilcho Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 $50,000,000. Why pay that much for only a few months of exclusivity? Just rumors, shadows and a few mirrors. U R B A N I T A S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubicmonkey Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 But again, there are run-of-the-mill exclusivity deals that last like 6 months and there are $50 million exclusivity deals. Once again I'm going to play the "common sense" card and point out that a deal with such a highly-publicized dollar amount behind it is absolutely unprecedented (seriously, find one other deal where the amount was released) and as such the terms of the deal are likely unprecedented too. PS3 owners need to accept the fact that this was a huge deal. Rockstar discussed it in their fiscal wrapup. It was a massive source of revenue for the company. How many other exclusive DLC deals have this kind of impact on a company? Um... how 'bout none? So no, you can't say "Fallout DLC is coming to PS3 to TLAD is too" because it's absolutely an apples-and-oranges comparison. Once again: find me another $50 million exclusivity deal that lapsed at all, let alone in 6-12 months. But we don't know whether Bethesda were paid by Microsoft. They could be keeping quiet about an equally large sum of money. I can't believe how arrogant you are. You're just as bad as the PS3 owners who you claim to hate by being just as ignorant in claiming that it absolutely will not show up on a PS3. I know there's no real proof to say it will and I'm merely saying that it could but there's no absolute defining statement that it won't. Only statement after statement claiming that it's exclusive which, as others have pointed out, could simply mean that it's currently exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruAskew Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 But we don't know whether Bethesda were paid by Microsoft. Yeah and we know Rockstar was paid by Microsoft because it showed up in their fiscal summary and they announced it and it was reported in the news because it was an unheard-of amount of money. Again, this in and of itself speaks volumes about the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidGC Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Hey, you'd think Microsoft paid Guru the 50 mil instead of Rockstar. Jesus. Like you said yourself, we don't know the terms of the deal so god knows what'll happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomworld10 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Hi, First I have to say that I'm a unexpected, happy and proud owner of a beautiful and nice Microsoft Xbox 360 and I personally think that the PS3 is a totaly useless, awfully expensive, big black anvil. So YES I'm a fanboy of an unexpensive, easy to develop, awesome online experience, with clever and cheap accessories, and PC compatible (with a USB receiver) wireless pad, gaming system called Microsoft Xbox 360. Once that said, I can tell that I'd be so very f*cking happy to see all GTA IV DLC coming on all gaming system (PS3, PC, and why not others...) because I'm a much much bigger GTA fanboy than 360 fanboy. I'd really like to see this rumor happend. But let's face it, if TLAD might (and then might not) come one day on PS3 or/and PC, there is no f*cking way it's coming in August 2009... Maybe later, but no f*cking way in August, don't wait for it in August, it won't come in August to your PS3. For two reasons, first August is a pretty quiet time for video games, and getting out a DLC in august while a lot of occidental people are on summer holiday would be just stupid, and usually Rockstar Games, Microsoft are not that stupid. Secondly, even a well known DLC like TLAD, still does need some advertising and marketing before being downloadable, so since there is no confirmation from Rockstar Games that it will actually came on PS3, don't wait for it in August ! So, when Rockstar Games (Sony Computer Entertainment can talk as much as they want, but only what Rockstar Games say does matter) does confirm it will actualy come to PS3 (which might never happend), count at least four to five month from then before having it on your PS3 console. Since there is no confirmation from Rockstar Games by now, don't wait for TLAD anytime before september or ocotber, even thought I don't think it will come (if does) before 2010. Well I hope you people will keep on crying and lobbying to Rockstar Games so TLAD and second episode DLC will come to other plateforms. But I remind you a last time, until Rockstar Games confirm it and start advertising it along with Sony Computer Entertainment on Playstation Store, until then DO NOT WAIT FOR IT ON PS3. Have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubicmonkey Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I doubt it would be as early as August 2009 either. Bethesda have only announced their DLC going to PS3 after their 3 expansion exclusive contract was up. So if the GTA IV content stands a chance, it would more likely be announced around August if the second episode will have been released by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdealer Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Until R* says anything, it's just speculation. It would be nice if the ps3 did receive some dlc but it's just not in the cards. most likely, after the 2nd dlc, R* would move on to the next gta game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruAskew Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Until R* says anything, it's just speculation. It would be nice if the ps3 did receive some dlc but it's just not in the cards. most likely, after the 2nd dlc, R* would move on to the next gta game. Speculation and wishful thinking. I've said it a million times: the only people who believe this is a timed exclusive are the ones who want it to be a timed exclusive: PS3 and (to a lesser extent) PC owners. There's literally nothing saying Microsoft will ever lose Xbox 360 exclusivity for this content yet these people keep posting about how they're convinced they'll get it inspite of a complete and utter lack of evidence supporting their belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetal Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 They made, us the PC gamers, believe there wouldn't be any PC version of GTAIV. Yet, alot of us are playing it on the PC now. Who know whatt might happen in a year or so. Yes, it is wishful thinking and yes I also like the PS3 and PC owners to enjoy The Lost and Damned (who doesn't?). Some people are optimists... some people are realists. I for one belong to the last group. I really want to have TLAD for PC (and PS3 so everyone is happy) but I still believe it won't happen. We can HOPE for it... just like our great Messiah who has been elected president gave small minded individuals hope. On top of that: GuruAskew, you talk big. Do you have any evidence that backs up the fact that it will NEVER come out on PS3/PC? Do you have any evidence that states that the exclusivity deal between Microsoft and Rockstar Games lasts 'forever'? Are you sure that the €50 million has been paid just for 2 exclusive episodes? And with exclusive: only on Xbox and NEVER for ANY other platform? You could turn the tables and say that is wishful thinking. It's funny how fanboys are so blind. At the moment PS3/PC users won't be seeing any GTAIV 'episode' on their gaming platform of choice... but who knows. And tell me: since when is everything that big companies state in the press true? It might be somekind big talk to scare gamers and 'motivate' them into buying Xbox360's just for GTAIV and the exclusive content since it has been hyped so badly. It's all about business - no wait who am I kidding? - it's all about the doe. Do you really think they don't want to make as much money as possible? Yes, there are more Xbox360's sold than PS3 and more Xbox360 copies sold of GTAIV than on PC... I'm sure about that. But in the end: the only thing they're going to look at is their revenue. And since most companies are rather greedy they will find a way to make the other 'parties' pull out their wallets and pay for something else related to this big/hyped/hit game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookPassBabtridge Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 This argument will last for ages, but to be realistic, it really doesnt look likely for PS3 for a good while. The word 'exclusive' cannot be twisted to mean something else, and $50mill is a boatload of money, however big the company. I dont claim it will never appear on PS3 ever, but MS have to get theyre moneys worth on that deal. Also, I think a lot of PS3 owners would feel a huge anti-climax if it was released suddenly soon. The whole TLAD hype is overblown (IMO), and its kind of doubled by that feeling of the PS3 players being short-changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrk Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Speculation and wishful thinking. I've said it a million times: the only people who believe this is a timed exclusive are the ones who want it to be a timed exclusive: PS3 and (to a lesser extent) PC owners. lol who cares? theres nothing wrong with them wanting it. there is however something a bit strange about 360 fanboys on a mission to tell everyone and/or argue that its exclusive to the 360 and no-one else will ever see it (especially as they know as much as the ps3 owners). what difference does it make to you? or is it that you're secretly worried? The word 'exclusive' cannot be twisted to mean something else Yet it happens time and time again! That word should always be taken with a grain of salt. Edited May 21, 2009 by xrk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookPassBabtridge Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Sure, it happens all the time for many titles, but in this case MS have actually funded the production of the episodes. Rockstar havent pre-made them and touted them out to publishers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerAndy Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I hope you guys do get it eventually, but all the evidence does point to it being completely exclusive. While he is being very passionate about it, Guru is right that there is nothing other than a web rumour, that has even been denied by the parties involved, to suggest any different. I agree the whole platform exclusive business does suck though. I'll be absolutely gutted if there is future content that I can't get on my xbox so I feel for your frustration guys. Having to buy another console just to access dlc is not an option for my wallet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruAskew Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Yet it happens time and time again! That word should always be taken with a grain of salt. But $50 million deals don't happen time and time again. For the 50 millionth time: it stands to reason that the most-lucrative exclusive deal in the history of DLC is going to last longer than a run-of-the-meal deal with an unreported sum of money behind it and a 6-month window. There isn't a deal in all of video games that can be cited as a precedent for this deal and the PS3 fans need to accept that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder 556 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Guru just give it the f*ck up. The DLC will be coming to the PS3. Same with all of the Fallout 3 DLC. M$ are starting to slip. letting exclusives fall out of their grasp. Who knows it but Gears 3 could also be on the PS3. Because Epic(Right?) only had a 2 game contract with M$. So Guru. Just shut the f*ck up and go back to your exclusive(If it's 3rd party the PS3 will get it in due time) games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjoii Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 The DLC will be coming to the PS3. Do you have any evidence at all to back that up, because I would love to see it if you do. The only evidence that anybody has to back up either side of the argument is a statement from one party involved in the contract saying that the DLC epsiodes are exclusive to Xbox 360. Without any evidence there is no way that anybody can say that something will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder 556 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) The DLC will be coming to the PS3. Do you have any evidence at all to back that up, because I would love to see it if you do. The only evidence that anybody has to back up either side of the argument is a statement from one party involved in the contract saying that the DLC epsiodes are exclusive to Xbox 360. Without any evidence there is no way that anybody can say that something will happen. Fallout 3 DLC. Exclusive to M$? Not any more. The PS3 will be getting Operation Anchorage in June and the rest in 3-4 week intervals. So like I said. M$ are slipping. TLaD will come to the PS3 in due time. Also people knew that the PS3 would be getting the Fallout 3 DLC because of what happens in Broken Steel. You get to continue the game. And when people asked if a patch would come to the PS3 version the guy said "Not right now.". Basically indicating the DLC. Also Bethesda never gave an actual reason as to why they didn't announce the PS3 DLC at E3 08. Some say it was from a M$ bribe. Edited May 21, 2009 by ioN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjoii Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Fallout 3 DLC. Exclusive to M$? Not any more. The PS3 will be getting Operation Anchorage in June and the rest in 3-4 week intervals. So like I said. M$ are slipping. TLaD will come to the PS3 in due time. Right, I shall rephrase my question then. Any relevant evidence that backs up your claim that the DLC will come to PS3. There is none, what you have said is purely speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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