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Dingdongs

Marriage Equality

Should Same Sex Marriage be legal or illegal?  

509 members have voted

  1. 1. Should Same Sex Marriage be legal or illegal?

    • It should be legal
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    • It should be illegal
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Dingdongs
Because it's not the executive branch of the government that passes laws

It's not?

 

Seriously it isn't.

What? Not understanding this, lol.

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eeEMIR

i think yes,but let them to have a child,thats to much...

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

 

i think yes,but let them to have a child,thats to much...

Why? they have as much right as anyone else to adopt a child, are you saying that based on their sexuality that they differ from a straight couple?

 

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Damien.

I don't think it's right to force the churches to accept gay marriages, forcing you into others religions and making them change their views by law is not cool. I don't see why anyone would want to force their way into a religion were their marriage is obviously not wanted, that's like a woman trying to stick to her wife beating husband.

 

I'm all for Gay's getting legally married & even to some extent getting married in churches who actually want them and believe nothing is wrong with being homosexual.

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eeEMIR
i think yes,but let them to have a child,thats to much...

Why? they have as much right as anyone else to adopt a child, are you saying that based on their sexuality that they differ from a straight couple?

Think on kids mercie_blink.gif ,beside there so many couples who cant have them.. sarcasm.gif

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Werven

I support it all the way, even if I am Bi-Sexual, homophobes who think if Gay/Lesbian couples marry everyone will burst into flames and the American way of life will be destroyed seem to be the only people who don't here in the States. As a CHRISTIAN nation (Which I can very proudly exclude myself from), it kinda dominates the idea of same-sex marriage, even though things seem to be taking a turn in the good direction for it.

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.Rafto

I think same-sex marriage should be legal because a person should have a right to decide who they want to live their life with. It shouldn't be up to the law to decide who you are going to live with. There is just 1 small thing that would be kind of awkward. For example, if you take a gay couple, and they have made a decision to adopt a child. It must feel quite awkward for the child because he/she will have to live with a couple of 2 men instead of a couple of 1 man and 1 woman.

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860

BTW when people who dont belong to the church (i dont really know the right way of saying that)

get married they get married in the courtroom by a judge but it´s still a marridge.

if the church doesnt want to wed(?) them as a married couple then they get married by a judge.

 

does it really matter what the union is called? no.

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makeshyft

That's the nut of it, really. Nobody is forcing the churches to accept gay marriages. Religious people are welcome to continue running around believing that marriage is between a man and a woman. It doesn't threaten change to one's belief system.

 

It's about the state recognising gay marriage. Religious belief shouldn't even be a factor in this decision. It's a state issue, and, thus, should have nothing to do with organised religion.

 

There is absolutely no reason that the state (any state that supposedly upholds a separation between church and state) should be opposed to gay marriage.

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Attorney General

 

It's about the state recognising gay marriage. Religious belief shouldn't even be a factor in this decision. It's a state issue, and, thus, should have nothing to do with organised religion.

Agreed on all fronts, my friend.

 

However, therein lies the problem...at least here in the States. When you have elected officials quoted as saying global warming will not bring an end to mankind...but rather the second coming of Jesus, it kind of make one wonder how these jackasses interpret the Constitution. Is there a clear separation of church and state? Well no, not if you ask conservative politicians and legislatures occupying the Bible Belt down south. After all, this country is only about five months removed from being led by a man who claimed to have consulted God directly on any number of political decisions that had tremendous implications on not just the US, but the entire world.

 

It boils down to civil rights. So it's sad to see that California, known as one of the most progressive States in the Union, recently passed Prop 8 which in turn repealed the decision of In re Marriage Cases. But I think it's a losing battle(that is, fighting against same-sex marriage). We've seen it before in this country where African-americans and women were repressed yet now share the same rights that we all do. Gays should be no different. All in due time, I hope.

 

On less relevant note, I just get a kick out of the f*ckers who claim gay marriage defies the "sanctity of marriage" when they just got divorced. I don't know the numbers but I imagine that the divorce rate worldwide is rising every year...at least it appears that way from where I'm standing. To me, that argument represents the height of stupidity.

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makeshyft
It's about the state recognising gay marriage. Religious belief shouldn't even be a factor in this decision. It's a state issue, and, thus, should have nothing to do with organised religion.

Agreed on all fronts, my friend.

 

However, therein lies the problem...at least here in the States. When you have elected officials quoted as saying global warming will not bring an end to mankind...but rather the second coming of Jesus, it kind of make one wonder how these jackasses interpret the Constitution. Is there a clear separation of church and state? Well no, not if you ask conservative politicians and legislatures occupying the Bible Belt down south. After all, this country is only about five months removed from being led by a man who claimed to have consulted God directly on any number of political decisions that had tremendous implications on not just the US, but the entire world.

You're definitely right. When the legislative arm of government is made up of bible-bashing kooks with beliefs so radical they'd make Jerry Fallwell blush, you know that any half-assed law that comes to pass is going to be infused with religious wankery. Also, it is a separation of church and state by name, until politicians start having the balls to stand up to religious voters. Simply stating that you believe in Jesus when the other guy doesn't is going to draw in a lot more votes than what you'd lose. They know this. A combination of God-fearing politicians and 'smart' farts that know their electorate has caused us to be in this confused mess.

 

I completely agree with you on the divorce issue too, pal.

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12jango

Same-Sex-Marriage? That's F.U.C.K.I.N.G! (f*cking, Unpleasant, Creepy, Killer, Insane, Not Good)! 'Cause you can't have a kid if you do that, right!!?? icon14.gificon14.gif

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Girish

 

Same-Sex-Marriage? That's F.U.C.K.I.N.G! (f*cking, Unpleasant, Creepy, Killer, Insane, Not Good)!

No, it's not. On the contrary, it's the way some people choose to lead their lives and no law should be stopping them from living their life their way.

 

 

'Cause you can't have a kid if you do that, right!!?? icon14.gif  icon14.gif

Yes, you can have a kid no matter what you do. Gay couple have as much of a right to have a kid as any other couple does. They can adopt which is, morally and socially, a good thing to do. It does not matter if the child is raised in an all male or an all female family. All it needs is affection and to be taken care of properly. The sex of their parents is not an issue at all.

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Same-Sex-Marriage? That's F.U.C.K.I.N.G! (f*cking, Unpleasant, Creepy, Killer, Insane, Not Good)! 'Cause you can't have a kid if you do that, right!!?? icon14.gificon14.gif

Killer? Unless Jeffery Dahmer and Dennis Nilson marry, I don't get that part of your opinion. Not to mention having a kid in a marriage isn't a necessity.

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Chunk
Same-Sex-Marriage? That's F.U.C.K.I.N.G! (f*cking, Unpleasant, Creepy, Killer, Insane, Not Good)! 'Cause you can't have a kid if you do that, right!!?? icon14.gif  icon14.gif

Killer? Unless Jeffery Dahmer and Dennis Nilson marry, I don't get that part of your opinion. Not to mention having a kid in a marriage isn't a necessity.

Ted Bundy and Charles Manson could be the homocidal power couple if they hooked up. Then again, I guess it would have to be a gay, necrophiliac relationship..

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trip
...and also legalize the 'erb.

At least decriminalize it. It's barking mad to put someone behind bars for possession. I don't care if you have a field of the stuff, it's still mad.

it has been decriminalized where i live to possession of under a 1/2 ounce. you still get fined and your bag taken, but no jail time.

 

im with everyone on the seperation of church and state when it comes to marriage. my wife and i are atheists yet we are married in the eyes of the state.

 

i don't think it is the state/govt really making the rules on it, but more the state being influncend by their christian/religious voters.

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xmen

well, it should be legal as it will decrease world's population biggrin.gif

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3niX

Well...

 

Not really... because Im sure gay people were gay before they got married so theres nothing to subtract here. World will still be the same... birds wont stop singing, polar bears wont melt and the world wont turn into an empty desert.

 

 

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Straznicy

I think a worthwhile thing to consider is that marriage itself is becoming everymore trivial and nugatory, regardless of who it is between. With every passing day it seems to me that more and more couples get divorced, and there are far more couples living essentially as a married one would, without having gone through the ceremony (not to mention the children produced from these relationships). At the end of the day, that's all marriage is, right? A ceremony. In my own country, that's what really separates it from a civil union. With all this in mind, shouldn't society have little to no qualms about gays/lesbians marrying, since it's no longer as "sacred" and "eternal" as it once was? To be honest, I think a lot of the time the opposition is the opposition because they merely dislike the allocation of the term "marriage". It's childish. I fully support the right of gay/lesbian couples to get married.

 

As for gay adoption, well, that's something else. I'm opposed to it, but only "just". I find a gay/lesbian couple simply to not be a proper a family unit, even somewhat detrimental. This stance is based off the limited evidence I've read - seeing as it's not something I've looked into extensively, nor particularly care about. The overriding factor in my opposition is that it just feels wrong. If I were to see tow lesbians walking down the street, sure, I'd maybe look twice, but then I'd not think much of it. However, if I saw them with kids I'd be uneasy. It's not something I can necessarily get over.

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Clem Fandango

 

I find a gay/lesbian couple simply to not be a proper a family unit, even somewhat detrimental. This stance is based off the limited evidence I've read

 

Not that there's any evidence to suggest that straight parents > gay parents (if there is, I'd like to see it, with the variables idolated. Correlation isn't causation, kids), but for the sake of the argument, let's say studies have proven straight parents do a better job. Why would that be a reason to stop homosexual couples from having children? Gay adoptive parents would still assuredly do a better job than court issued foster parents, and a child born into a Lesbian family (the mother was artificially inseminated) is still better off than if it were never born.

 

Furthermore, I'm sure there are piles of statistics that prove parents in higher income brakets raise happier kids, do we therefore forbid everyone apart from rich people from having children? No, that would be ridiculous. The only rational argument against gay adoption is that "kids will pick on them" which is simply ludicrous. Treating homosexuals like lepers and prohibiting them from starting a family is hardly the way to address discrimination, clearly. It would equivilant to stopping africans from reproducing in the west to stop racism.

 

Then there is the whole religious and puritan argument, or in Straznicy's case, the argument that it just feels wrong (notice I didn't list that as one of the sound arguments). Obviously the religious argument against it isn't worthy of much rebuttle beyond "why don't we do the rest of what the bible says, since we're going to take this small part of it into law, bbbuuuudddyy"? The puritan one is basically that it will "mess kids up" to have gay parents, but I think kids would be more messed up from society and the government treating homosexuality as unnatural, because, you know, some six percent of kids will be gay themselves for f*cks sake.

 

I think people need to get off those bust body high horse about what's right and what's wrong. They know how to run their life much better than you do; the kids need parents to love them, who are you to say they aren't entitled to that because it doesn't fit with your vision of the family unit; children who otherwise wouldn't have been born, or would have been raised by ill equiped mothers are born into loving house holds, who are you to say that is wrong simply because it makes YOU feel uneasy; there are kids who will grow up to feel like their perfectly natural homosexual tendancies are wrong because of stuff like this, and YOU are supposedly the victim in all of this because you don't like the way it f*cking looks compared to a Waltons-esque family that barely exists anymore? What the f*ck is that?

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philster_12

i'd say no, The Y chromosome is slowly decreasing as days past

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Seachmall
i'd say no, The Y chromosome is slowly decreasing as days past

What has that got to do with anything?

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philster_12
i'd say no, The Y chromosome is slowly decreasing as days past

What has that got to do with anything?

i'm saying, you rather have a wife and have kids rather than being a gaydude (you'll end up with nothing)

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Seachmall
i'd say no, The Y chromosome is slowly decreasing as days past

What has that got to do with anything?

i'm saying, you rather have a wife and have kids rather than being a gaydude (you'll end up with nothing)

Not everybody wants kids and, get this, 'gaydudes' don't want wives.

 

Shocking, I know.

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Doink
i'd say no, The Y chromosome is slowly decreasing as days past

What has that got to do with anything?

i'm saying, you rather have a wife and have kids rather than being a gaydude (you'll end up with nothing)

There's this awesome thing called adoption. Ya know, it gives kids a home to go to. Its pretty good imo.

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BigAmericanTitties
i'd say no, The Y chromosome is slowly decreasing as days past

What has that got to do with anything?

i'm saying, you rather have a wife and have kids rather than being a gaydude (you'll end up with nothing)

There's this awesome thing called adoption. Ya know, it gives kids a home to go to. Its pretty good imo.

Though I support gay marriage, adoption can be an issue for the kid. The kid'll be confused as hell when his/her parents are 2 guys (unless the kid is recently born or hasn't been taught about marriage and birth), and s/he will face discrimination at school (most likley). And for that, they might grow to hate his/her parents and homosexuality.

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1066ant

 

i'd say no, The Y chromosome is slowly decreasing as days past

What has that got to do with anything?

i'm saying, you rather have a wife and have kids rather than being a gaydude (you'll end up with nothing)

There's this awesome thing called adoption. Ya know, it gives kids a home to go to. Its pretty good imo.

Thats a fair point, but raises issues with gay couples having children, now I am not opossed to gay marriage, to be honest its not something that bothers me in anyway. I also accept gays, however same sex couples have children does cause certain problems, for example:

 

At school: The majority of parents are male/female, this will isolate the child in a social enviroment, there are always going to be idiots who make fun on or try and rusin your life because you are different. A gay couple having a child is almost like feeding the fire.

 

Growing up: Teenagers, a nasty, stupid, irritable depressing fact of life is that they exist... I am one of them. Once again this brings up problems, as the kids grow up they are going to once again feel excluded, and different from the "accepted norm" only this time they have the teenage angst to add to the mix. Fun, fun, fun...

 

Obviously the two above problems would not exist in a world that largely accepts gay couples, but it doesn't help that fact that many, many people don't agree and want to make life harder for those who do. Without a huge change in the views of the world (in many ways this also relates to religion, which isn't going to change its views on gay people lightly) it would be hard for children brought up by same sex marriages.

Now of course in many cases a same sex couple could raise a child far better than a straight couple, for one thing the children would most likely have a much wider outlook than kids raised by male/female couples just because the hurdles gay people have to face provide an insight in to a life most people don't realise exists to such an extent.

 

At the end of the day I am un-decided about same sex couples having children, at least in the way the world current views itself, although I have nthing against gay marriage.

 

 

 

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Doink
i'd say no, The Y chromosome is slowly decreasing as days past

What has that got to do with anything?

i'm saying, you rather have a wife and have kids rather than being a gaydude (you'll end up with nothing)

There's this awesome thing called adoption. Ya know, it gives kids a home to go to. Its pretty good imo.

Though I support gay marriage, adoption can be an issue for the kid. The kid'll be confused as hell when his/her parents are 2 guys (unless the kid is recently born or hasn't been taught about marriage and birth), and s/he will face discrimination at school (most likley). And for that, they might grow to hate his/her parents and homosexuality.

I grew up with a couple of kids who had 2 moms and they were perfectly content with it. They've turned out to be normal human beings.

 

However, I can see your point and I know the case for those 2 kids are not the same for other adoptees of homosexual couples. I was just trying to point out the flaw in his "you can't have kids" statement.

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philster_12
i'd say no, The Y chromosome is slowly decreasing as days past

What has that got to do with anything?

i'm saying, you rather have a wife and have kids rather than being a gaydude (you'll end up with nothing)

There's this awesome thing called adoption. Ya know, it gives kids a home to go to. Its pretty good imo.

Though I support gay marriage, adoption can be an issue for the kid. The kid'll be confused as hell when his/her parents are 2 guys (unless the kid is recently born or hasn't been taught about marriage and birth), and s/he will face discrimination at school (most likley). And for that, they might grow to hate his/her parents and homosexuality.

I grew up with a couple of kids who had 2 moms and they were perfectly content with it. They've turned out to be normal human beings.

 

However, I can see your point and I know the case for those 2 kids are not the same for other adoptees of homosexual couples. I was just trying to point out the flaw in his "you can't have kids" statement.

because theres nothing wierd if you grow up with two moms, its happens sometime (no homosexual) . and i never heard two dad (one being a Homosexual)

parenting a child, probably the child could have identity problems in the future.

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Punk-in-Drublic

I dont see how having straight foster carers differs from having gay/lesbian foster carers. We are meant to live in a society were this sort of issue isn't a problem. But I guess some people just cant handle it, for what ever reason that may be; homophobia and insecurity being the main ones I guess.

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