Fallout: New Vegas

[Reconite]

It's going to be a game of equal measure to at least Fallout 3. The developers and Bethesda themselves have referred to it as a "sequel" and not "just a spin-off" like Fallout Tactics or Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel in several interviews, they're in completely different categories.

 

Fallout 2 is a sequel to Fallout.

Fallout New Vegas is a sequel to Fallout 3.

Fallout 4 will likely be a sequel to Fallout 3 or New Vegas.

 

It's like saying Majora's Mask wasn't a sequel to Ocarina of Time because they aren't numbered.

Edited March 9, 2010 by Reconite

[General Goose]

Regarding the sequel or spin-off issue: I know I'm repeating myself, but who cares? It's shaping up to look like a good game with good writing and good gameplay. While I agree with Reconite, it really doesn't matter.

[DanManUtd]

Tbf, it wasn't the graphics or the models that bothered me, it was the boring linear speech and the storyline imho wasn't to brilliant either.

[ilya]

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Edited March 16, 2010 by Supreme.

[ilya]

http://www.gamesradar.com/f/sightseeing-in...031112209702081

 

"Best. Sniper. Position. Ever."

[Reconite]

"Best. Sniper. Position. Ever."

Indeed.

[Gezim]

The game doesn't seem to look any better than Fallout 3 graphically.

[Reconite]

 

The game doesn't seem to look any better than Fallout 3 graphically.

Is that really a problem though?

 

Fallout 3 didn't look much better than Oblivion graphically.

 

I really don't get anything about this obsession with graphics these days.

[Don Garcia]

It's been decided that doesn't matter Gezim. Not by me.

 

We just gotta face it, this is way glorified DLC. I've learned to be cool with it; I wore the sh*t outta F3.

[Reconite]

 

This is way glorified DLC.

I'm afraid not. It isn't a Halo 3: ODST situation where it's intended to be DLC but then moved over to disc format.

 

It's a new game, with an at least equal amount of content as Fallout 3. What if I said Fallout 3 was Oblivion DLC. Do you think that would be ok for a downloadable title? This game is not the size of Point Lookout, Mothership Zeta, The Pitt, Broken Steel or Operation Anchorage, it's much bigger, it's more than all of the Fallout 3 DLC combined. This game also has the possibility to get its own DLC - DLC for a DLC? How would that work? It's also standalone and doesn't require Fallout 3 to play.

 

And it's far from being a DLC (downloadable content), guess why.

 

What the f*ck is the obsession with graphics?

 

Herp derp Fallout 2 is a Fallout 1 expansion.

Edited March 12, 2010 by Reconite

[Digital Murders]

I wore the sh*t outta F3.

Yes. It's the only game I got every single achievement in. I'm pretty excited for this, hell, even if they did release new DLC for fallout 3, I'd get excited for that.

[ilya]

Yeah, I don't get that somebody would class this as any sort of 'DLC'. It's a FULL game ffs.

 

Similar graphics don't bother me at all. However, for the next TES / Fallout 4...

Edited March 12, 2010 by Supreme.

[Pat]

 

We just gotta face it, this is way glorified DLC.

Vice City and San Andreas looked almost identical in terms of graphic quality. I guess SA was just glorified DLC.

 

derp.

[Gezim]

Well, one would think the next game would have improved graphics... But we can't really judge from those pictures. Though it doesn't really look like it has improved that much.

 

In case you didn't notice, I'm a graphics whore.

[Don Garcia]

Yes. It's the only game I got every single achievement in.

I just got my final achievement like 2 weeks ago.

 

Alright guys, you can relax. We'll still buy the game, you can tell Obsidian everything is gravy.

 

And Pat, SA had way more features not present in VC. I don't think NV will blow F3 out of the water in terms of content. But we'll see.

[[SM]CJZera]

I really hope they replace some textures to look more sandy, I mean, that pic from the dinosaur looks just like the DC waste, but nevada has a real desert there, IMO it should be more orange, and most other textures could do with some differences, I mean, I dont really mind copying stuff such as fences or generic stuff that can look the same, but roads dont look the same in a nuclear wasteland than on a nuclear desert

 

I do hope however they make creatures like those from MMM, maybe even use some of those textures, and, god please, make ash and goo piles go away, along with more respawning npcs, I mean, Anchorage Memorial post-cleaning was ultra boring... I hope they delay the game back and decide to re-do most of the copy-paste textures, and god I hope most models dont look so weird, I mean, most of the DC ruins look horrid, same applies for the roof of houses like grayditch, the textures are fricking low-res, but nevertheless, it's a great game, could do better, like all, but it's still great... here's hoping radiation is more important this time

[Guns N R0se]

I cannot wait for this game. I didn't even have the DLC for FO3 til the beginning of this year but it kept me entertaining the entire time. I love games with no multiplayer because Single-player is an overlooked aspect nowadays I feel. Anyway, I like that it looks like FO3. Basically same game, different place, new guns, which I am very very happy with. Screens look amazing... I think i'm going to play some FO3 now.

 

One thing that I didn't like in FO3 was how the achievements were tied to the Quest. Made it feel like there were only a few quest because I could already see the ones I was missing.

[Knife]

The reason I don't regard this as a full sequel is because of what keeps being said about it... it's 'equal' to Fallout 3 rather than a step-up on Fallout 3. Seeing as FO3 will be 2 years old on NV release, you'd expect progress to be made on all aspects of the game, including graphics. That's not an unreasonable expectation surely?

 

Anyway, enough about that. I AM looking forward to this game and am happy to accept it for what it is.

[Reconite]

 

The reason I don't regard this as a full sequel is because of what keeps being said about it... it's 'equal' to Fallout 3 rather than a step-up on Fallout 3. Seeing as FO3 will be 2 years old on NV release, you'd expect progress to be made on all aspects of the game, including graphics. That's not an unreasonable expectation surely?

I don't know how you think New Vegas is not a step-up from Fallout 3. Pretty much every aspect of the game will be better, Obsidian's writing staff are much more experienced than that of Bethesda and they know how to make a better Fallout experience in general. I keep saying it's at least 'equal' to Fallout 3 because so many dazed people seem to think it's the best game in the world and cannot get any better. Newsflash: It can, it can get so much better.

 

Who gives a f*ck what the graphics look like, they're just graphics. All I ever hear out of "next-gen" gamers is whining about the graphics not being good enough.

 

The graphics not being different are a minor thing overall, "It's not a sequel!!! It has the same graphics!!!" Again, Fallout 2 is a sequel to Fallout 1, right?

 

Pardon me if I come off as angry but graphics whores annoy the f*ck outta me.

 

I honestly don't see how it can not be a "true sequel" because it doesn't have much better graphics or because it's not numbered. Another example is Majora's Mask to Ocarina of Time, as I have mentioned before. Majora's Mask is classed as a sequel to Ocarine of Time, both N64 games with pretty much the same graphics. And neither games are numbered.

 

Just because it's not "Fallout 4", doesn't mean it's not a sequel.

 

Obsidian and Bethesda have already stated that the game is a sequel to Fallout 3, and not just a run-of-the-mill spin-off.

Edited March 12, 2010 by Reconite

[foohy]

The reason I don't regard this as a full sequel is because of what keeps being said about it... it's 'equal' to Fallout 3 rather than a step-up on Fallout 3. Seeing as FO3 will be 2 years old on NV release, you'd expect progress to be made on all aspects of the game, including graphics. That's not an unreasonable expectation surely?

I don't know how you think New Vegas is not a step-up from Fallout 3. Pretty much every aspect of the game will be better, Obsidian's writing staff are much more experienced than that of Bethesda and they know how to make a better Fallout experience in general. I keep saying it's at least 'equal' to Fallout 3 because so many dazed people seem to think it's the best game in the world and cannot get any better. Newsflash: It can, it can get so much better.

 

Who gives a f*ck what the graphics look like, they're just graphics. All I ever hear out of "next-gen" gamers is whining about the graphics not being good enough.

 

The graphics not being different are a minor thing overall, "It's not a sequel!!! It has the same graphics!!!" Again, Fallout 2 is a sequel to Fallout 1, right?

 

Pardon me if I come off as angry but graphics whores annoy the f*ck outta me.

 

I honestly don't see how it can not be a "true sequel" because it doesn't have much better graphics or because it's not numbered. Another example is Majora's Mask to Ocarina of Time, as I have mentioned before. Majora's Mask is classed as a sequel to Ocarine of Time, both N64 games with pretty much the same graphics. And neither games are numbered.

 

Just because it's not "Fallout 4", doesn't mean it's not a sequel.

 

Obsidian and Bethesda have already stated that the game is a sequel to Fallout 3, and not just a run-of-the-mill spin-off.

Here's another newsflash for ya:

It's a video game! Graphics are a huge part of a good game! You're half-right that graphics are nothing without a good story but that works both ways -- a good story is nothing without good graphics. Storytelling has stayed pretty much the same over time. Either you can write or you can't. The technical side, however, can and should be improved.

 

You hate graphics whores? Well I hate story whores. Don't get me wrong, I love a good story but it shouldn't be just a good story. Graphics are to games as cinematography is to movies in that they are co-dependent to creating an overall great experience. Imagine watching a movie with great writing that is being shot with a handheld digital camera worked by a 4-year-old...it's a waste of a good script.

Why do you think the Uncharted series is so praised? Because it's got great graphics AND great (or at least interesting) stories and scripting. A good looking game really accentuates a good story. It's the same thing with movie scripts and cinematography (as I mentioned), or good music with good lyrics. They're two equally valuable sides of the same coin.

 

So yea, It's great that NV is getting better writing but it's disappointing that the graphics haven't changed.

[Knife]

Well, y'know. I don't see it as a full sequel. That just how I view it. Maybe they've got more up their sleeve, but so far I'm not convinced "every aspect of the game will be better". I am not actually debating whether it's a sequel or not, I'm just expressing my view on what we've seen of the game so far, and that is how I've chosen to get my points across. It's the 'vibe' I get from the game.

 

As for graphics, they're the thing you look at when playing the game. What you see is a rather important aspect of video games. The better they are, the more immersive a game can be. It's sorta distracting when your character is moonwalking across the wasteland.

[Don Garcia]

It's sorta distracting when your character is moonwalking across the wasteland.

Oh my yes. If nothing else, NV better be smoother and at least mostly sans-bugs. Otherwise I will be sorely bummed.

[Gezim]

 

Who gives a f*ck what the graphics look like, they're just graphics. All I ever hear out of "next-gen" gamers is whining about the graphics not being good enough.

 

The graphics not being different are a minor thing overall, "It's not a sequel!!! It has the same graphics!!!" Again, Fallout 2 is a sequel to Fallout 1, right?

 

Pardon me if I come off as angry but graphics whores annoy the f*ck outta me.

 

Obsidian and Bethesda have already stated that the game is a sequel to Fallout 3, and not just a run-of-the-mill spin-off.

Well first of all, why are you using spoiler tags?

 

Second of all, how the hell can you say graphics are just graphics? They're one of the main aspects of a video game, it brings the game to life.

 

I'll believe it's a true sequel when I see something a bit more impressive than that.

 

EDIT - BTW, I have never owned the DLCs for Fallout 3 so I'm wondering, was there vehicles in them? I was very disappointed Fallout 3 didn't include anything you could ride for transportation around the Wasteland. I know you can use that Pip-Boy but that's no fun.

Edited March 12, 2010 by Gezim

[copperwire93]

Guys no need to fight. I'd take this New Vegas a standalone expansion pack like Red Alert 3 Uprising which is a standalone expansion pack for Red Alert 3. The graphics and gameplay is the same except the story and new features added. You can also take it like the upcoming Warhammer 40k Dawn of War II : Chaos Rising which has the same graphics like it's predecessor Warhammer 40k Dawn of War II.

 

Edit: Oh anyway, it's too early from Fall 2010, so I guess those graphics are just for testing purpose. I'm sure they're going to improve it. So, let us move on the next topic from graphics.

 

 

EDIT - BTW, I have never owned the DLCs for Fallout 3 so I'm wondering, was there vehicles in them? I was very disappointed Fallout 3 didn't include anything you could ride for transportation around the Wasteland. I know you can use that Pip-Boy but that's no fun.

 

Nope, Fallout 3 doesn't have any vehicles except wrecked bike and car which doesn't have anything good to do except blowing them in front of enemy and acquire some components like Motorcycle Handbrake. It's not like Fallout 2.

Edited March 12, 2010 by copperwire93

[Reconite]

 

a good story is nothing without good graphics.

Bullsh*t.

 

Oh, and maybe you've never heard of a book before. Sure is no graphics with good story with them.

Edited March 12, 2010 by Reconite

[ilya]

Been meaning to buy a copy of Wasteland for some time now, as I've heard nothing but good things.

 

Was told that it has a far better story than Fallout 3, which is hardly difficult to believe..

Edited December 9, 2017 by Grae

[foohy]

 

a good story is nothing without good graphics.

Bullsh*t.

No offense, but are you joking? That game was made 3 decades ago! For it's time it had decent graphics. Did you even read what I wrote? My point was that developers should strive to optimize both the story and the graphics to the best of their ability. Obviously they have a greater ability now than they did in 1988 due to the rapid influx of technological breakthroughs over the past 30 years.

So you're working against yourself with that picture because, for it's time, that game had a good story AND "good" graphics just as I have been saying.

 

 

Oh, and maybe you've never heard of a book before. Sure is no graphics with good story with them.

Well that's because it's a book.

 

I wouldn't expect a book to have good graphics -- or any graphics -- because it's freaking book! Asking a book to have good graphics is like asking the vault dweller to run down to the story and buy me some chips. It's completely illogical and unrelated to it's actual purpose.

Video games are video games, after all. It's visual presence is kind of important and a big part of what makes it it's own form of entertainment.

 

 

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Back on topic; I think some people are confused by what others are meaning by calling NV an 'expansion pack' or 'spin-off'.

It is a stand-alone game but (so far) it just looks like Fallout 3 with a different location and story. That's not necessarily a bad thing as long as Obsidian makes the game unique. The graphics don't have to be better, just different. Some new textures and animations would satisfy me.

The only reason I'm disappointed with the visuals so far is because the textures look copy&pasted directly from Fallout 3. I'm hoping that CopperWire is on to something and these screens are just early versions of the game to be re-textured later with some new stuff from Obsidian.

Edited March 12, 2010 by foohy

[Reconite]

Why the f*ck are you so butthurt about graphics from less than 2 years ago, though? I seriously don't see your point when you go all f*cking graphics-whore on everything.

 

Are Fallout 3 graphics in this game going to murder your family or something? Are they going to burn out your retinas? What the f*ck is your problem with graphics which are slightly sub-par?

[foohy]

Why the f*ck are you so butthurt about graphics from less than 2 years ago, though? I seriously don't see your point when you go all f*cking graphics-whore on everything.

 

Are Fallout 3 graphics in this game going to murder your family or something? Are they going to burn out your retinas? What the f*ck is your problem with graphics which are slightly sub-par?

Wow. Over-reacting much?

 

I was simply saying that if they can improve the graphics then they should. I'm not a graphics whore. If anything I guess you could call me a "equality whore". I think story and graphics should be on the same level -- that neither should be sacrificed for the other due to one being deemed more important.

 

And what's with all the cursing and personal attacks?

 

"Butthurt"?

"you go all f*cking graphics-whore on everything."?

"Murdering my family"?

 

 

 

I'm done trying to talk to a wall here. If you want to reply to this send me a private message. I don't want to spam up this topic anymore than we already have.

[RomanViking]

 

The only reason I'm disappointed with the visuals so far is because the textures look copy&pasted directly from Fallout 3. I'm hoping that CopperWire is on to something and these screens are just early versions of the game to be re-textured later with some new stuff from Obsidian.

exactly man, exactly right.

 

The actual graphic quality/amount of detail can be the same as Fallout 3 and it would be fine. No, what bothers us, RECONITE, is that it looks like they're just copy & pasting many of the same roads and textures over from Fallout 3.

 

 

Someone on the last page also mentioned that it doesn't really look "sandy" enough. This I agree with. Where are the sand dunes? Where are the sunbaked highways? I'm seeing a lot of the same grey/dark roads copied from Fallout 3...

 

 

Where's the ruins of the MGM Grand and Bellagio rising out of the sand?

 

 

You'd think by now they would have shown some actual images of New Vegas right? Unless it's going to end up as the crappy, boring part of the world like DC ruins were in Fallout 3...