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Does the world still need religion?

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shaboobala

 

Religion makes millions happy, lets them feel safe, not alone, loved and gives them hope. They donate to charity, they do work for charity, as we speak now, millions are fasting so that their consciousness of the poverty in the world is heightened.

 

Modern science will can't stop people from believing. I have my own reasons for knowing myself that there is something in the universe, maybe not in the same sense as in the Bible, but something.

Despite the wars, ignorance, racism and hatred, religion does a lot of good for people in the world. And for that reason I think that people need it in their lives.

To progress our species in a positive direction, humanity very much doesn't need organized religion. Nor have we had any net benefit from it. All the charity and feel-good stuff associated with nice religious people is just a drop in the ocean and doesn't compare to the damage that spreading archaic and idiotic rhetoric throughout the globe has done.

 

It's just that people will apply emotion to ideas regardless of whether they include god or not. God is just a very compelling selling point, and religions of one sort or another will spring up anyway. The damage comes when religion becomes a massive institution, a business based on moral convenience: You pay with allegiance, we give you god. No need to think.

 

Individually, we need to believe in things. Even a scientist must have faith in his theory. Before any theory is accepted it is scrutinized and criticized heavily. Even if the scientist is proven wrong he will probably continue to cling to his idea because of the emotion and faith he had invested in it. He may continue in a futile struggle to convince others of his flawed theory for the rest of his life, but then, he has become a preacher. However, at least his practice is rooted in evidence and rationale. His bullsh*t will never be taken seriously if he doesn't prove it.

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Mad Tony

 

Let me ask a question...

 

Without the fear of God and hell, do you think the world would be filled with a lot more crime?

Let me ask you this question. Without religion, do you think there would be a lot less religious wars?

wars would break out anyway. Wars happen anywhere over anything that is believed to be valuable enough to be fought Over. You know terrorists and these wars on terror, Do you think terrorists really want to make this whole world muslim for allah? ok yes they do, But they want it more for power, and polotics. Polotics mixed with religeon as an excuses to give them power.

Exactly. People use religion as an excuse to start wars.

Yep. So instead of using religion as an excuse to start a war, people will just move onto something else. Unless you want an Equilibrium-like world where humans have no emotions, there's always gonna be war.

 

This isn't directed at you by the way, but I can't believe there are actually people out there who are dumb and naive enough to believe that without religion there'd be no wars.

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Girish
This isn't directed at you by the way, but I can't believe there are actually people out there who are dumb and naive enough to believe that without religion there'd be no wars.

No rational person would ever say that, but without religion, there would be lesser wars. Even if it's 5% less, I'd say that's a significant progress for the future of mankind.

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philster_12
id say the world needs religion, so people could be inspired, like miracles that happened, well yeah people can do charitable works without religion . but with religion many people can be inspired to the same, besides with religion people really now know what is right and wrong. - from my view

We have similarities then, Philipines eh? Very catholic country no? I like it alot, very religeouse and Nice.

Thanks!, i think were the only asian country whose 80% are Roman catholic!

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Mad Tony

 

This isn't directed at you by the way, but I can't believe there are actually people out there who are dumb and naive enough to believe that without religion there'd be no wars.

No rational person would ever say that, but without religion, there would be lesser wars. Even if it's 5% less, I'd say that's a significant progress for the future of mankind.

I honestly don't think absence of religion would result in less wars. Come to think of it, I can't think of that many present-day wars and conflicts where religion is anymore than a minor factor.

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Girish
This isn't directed at you by the way, but I can't believe there are actually people out there who are dumb and naive enough to believe that without religion there'd be no wars.

No rational person would ever say that, but without religion, there would be lesser wars. Even if it's 5% less, I'd say that's a significant progress for the future of mankind.

I honestly don't think absence of religion would result in less wars. Come to think of it, I can't think of that many present-day wars and conflicts where religion is anymore than a minor factor.

Lets not think of 'war' in the literal sense. Think more of conflicts caused by religion and the number of people that have been slain over it. In India, war has probably not killed as many people as religious disputes have. In case you aren't aware, just Google 'babri masjid ayodhya'. Even after 17 years, it still feels as if it happened yesterday, not to mention, the dispute still hasn't been settled.

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Mad Tony

 

This isn't directed at you by the way, but I can't believe there are actually people out there who are dumb and naive enough to believe that without religion there'd be no wars.

No rational person would ever say that, but without religion, there would be lesser wars. Even if it's 5% less, I'd say that's a significant progress for the future of mankind.

I honestly don't think absence of religion would result in less wars. Come to think of it, I can't think of that many present-day wars and conflicts where religion is anymore than a minor factor.

Lets not think of 'war' in the literal sense. Think more of conflicts caused by religion and the number of people that have been slain over it. In India, war has probably not killed as many people as religious disputes have. In case you aren't aware, just Google 'babri masjid ayodhya'. Even after 17 years, it still feels as if it happened yesterday, not to mention, the dispute still hasn't been settled.

Don't you mean caused by people?

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BreadBasket

People do not ever need much of an excuse to kill other people, for one reason or another, religious disputes/protecting your people from outsiders, is just a way to justify the fact that they are taking a life over something petty. I do not believe that religion should be abolished, as for some people, God is a lifesaver. He helps them out, and is always there for them, even when it may not feel like it. I just think it is a shame that all different creeds, colours, and religions cannot just get on together. Although, saying that, if everyone got on, the world would be a very boring place...

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Girish
This isn't directed at you by the way, but I can't believe there are actually people out there who are dumb and naive enough to believe that without religion there'd be no wars.

No rational person would ever say that, but without religion, there would be lesser wars. Even if it's 5% less, I'd say that's a significant progress for the future of mankind.

I honestly don't think absence of religion would result in less wars. Come to think of it, I can't think of that many present-day wars and conflicts where religion is anymore than a minor factor.

Lets not think of 'war' in the literal sense. Think more of conflicts caused by religion and the number of people that have been slain over it. In India, war has probably not killed as many people as religious disputes have. In case you aren't aware, just Google 'babri masjid ayodhya'. Even after 17 years, it still feels as if it happened yesterday, not to mention, the dispute still hasn't been settled.

Don't you mean caused by people?

Are you saying religion had nothing to do with it?

 

 

@BreadBasket: I'd take a boring and safe world over a fighting, killing and hate filled world, any given day.

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Mad Tony

 

This isn't directed at you by the way, but I can't believe there are actually people out there who are dumb and naive enough to believe that without religion there'd be no wars.

No rational person would ever say that, but without religion, there would be lesser wars. Even if it's 5% less, I'd say that's a significant progress for the future of mankind.

I honestly don't think absence of religion would result in less wars. Come to think of it, I can't think of that many present-day wars and conflicts where religion is anymore than a minor factor.

Lets not think of 'war' in the literal sense. Think more of conflicts caused by religion and the number of people that have been slain over it. In India, war has probably not killed as many people as religious disputes have. In case you aren't aware, just Google 'babri masjid ayodhya'. Even after 17 years, it still feels as if it happened yesterday, not to mention, the dispute still hasn't been settled.

Don't you mean caused by people?

Are you saying religion had nothing to do with it?

 

 

@BreadBasket: I'd take a boring and safe world over a fighting, killing and hate filled world, any given day.

I don't really know enough about it really, but religion certainly can't "cause" a conflict as it's merely a set of beliefs. The people that take these beliefs and skew them and use them to justify violence are the ones that cause such conflicts.

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Girish

But my point still stands. These people we're talking about are religious people, people who are driven by their beliefs and I won't be wrong in saying that these people are so blinded by their 'certain' beliefs that they do not realise the difference between right and wrong. I believe every religion condemns killing another person but religion has hardly helped in getting this point across. The violence and conflict might be caused by people but one can't deny that it's a direct effect of religion and if I may say, over exposure to religion. The damage that religion has caused to our society far outweighs the good that it might ever do. You might say religion is fine if given in small controlled doses, but it's not. It's as bad as wrapping yourself up in religion for all of your life. Sooner or later, it will get out of control; like an avalanche. It will continue to grow bigger and cause infinite amount of destruction till it is stopped. And the power to stop it lies in your own hands.

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shaboobala

Everyone believes sh*t. The potential for dogmatic violence lies in how rational a person is in the first place. Potential violence is fundamentally on an individual level. Belief and god don't inherently mean a person is irrational or easily manipulated.

 

However, organized religion, by the very way it is structured and because of it's purpose, is prone to violence. Since it is founded in irrationality. And since it is so organized it can group together many irrational people and put them towards a very specific goal, doing a lot more damage.

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Kratos2000

Religion sucks.

no proves.

 

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shaboobala
Religion sucks.

no proves.

This isn't gen chat.

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Mad Tony
But my point still stands. These people we're talking about are religious people, people who are driven by their beliefs and I won't be wrong in saying that these people are so blinded by their 'certain' beliefs that they do not realise the difference between right and wrong. I believe every religion condemns killing another person but religion has hardly helped in getting this point across. The violence and conflict might be caused by people but one can't deny that it's a direct effect of religion and if I may say, over exposure to religion. The damage that religion has caused to our society far outweighs the good that it might ever do. You might say religion is fine if given in small controlled doses, but it's not. It's as bad as wrapping yourself up in religion for all of your life. Sooner or later, it will get out of control; like an avalanche. It will continue to grow bigger and cause infinite amount of destruction till it is stopped. And the power to stop it lies in your own hands.

Religion is absolutely fine. It's these irrational and extreme people who are the ones doing damage to society. As I said, they skew their beliefs so that they can use them to justify what they're doing - both to themselves and others.

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shaboobala

Religion is absolutely fine. It's these irrational and extreme people who are the ones doing damage to society. As I said, they skew their beliefs so that they can use them to justify what they're doing - both to themselves and others.

Yes, it is the extreme and irrational people who are directly doing damage but the institutional organization of religion is what potentiates them. Under a common banner a group of idiots is much more dangerous than when they are disorganized. And Religion doesn't just harbor and join already delusional people, it incubates some to higher levels of fundamentalism. Because if religion is anything, it is fundamental and rigid.

 

This can be said of any damaging ideology, of course. It has to do with emotional sentimentality and irrationality, which feed off each other. These are two factors that should be actively dissuaded in a search for personal spiritualism and certainly not fostered into dogma.

 

The fact is though, religion/idolism/etc is an unavoidable side-effect of a free society. There are suckers born every minute, and there are people who will exploit that. Best we can do to curb sectarian ideological violence is to foster a future generation where rationality and exchange of free thought are accepted and encouraged.

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XXI Inc
Religion is absolutely fine. It's these irrational and extreme people who are the ones doing damage to society. As I said, they skew their beliefs so that they can use them to justify what they're doing - both to themselves and others.

You think so?

Link

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philster_12
Religion is absolutely fine. It's these irrational and extreme people who are the ones doing damage to society. As I said, they skew their beliefs so that they can use them to justify what they're doing - both to themselves and others.

You think so?

Link

that 17 year old just lost his Interest with God, well its kinda normal today that teens consider Girlfriend rather than God. but i hope he recovers from that!.

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XXI Inc
that 17 year old just lost his Interest with God, well its kinda normal today that teens consider Girlfriend rather than God. but i hope he recovers from that!.

Well you must be blind. What kind of epic fail of a father does that in the first place?! See what religion does! Brainwashes!

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philster_12
that 17 year old just lost his Interest with God, well its kinda normal today that teens consider Girlfriend rather than God. but i hope he recovers from that!.

Well you must be blind. What kind of epic fail of a father does that in the first place?! See what religion does! Brainwashes!

nope there was no father in the situation. are you sure you gave the right Url?

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General Goose

How can you recover from losing faith in God? It's not an illness or disease.

 

And he meant mother I think. Still....

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philster_12
How can you recover from losing faith in God? It's not an illness or disease.

 

And he meant mother I think. Still....

its addiction to sex and to his Girlfriend.

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Xeon 

I think the point of the link was how blind the mother was to the fact that her son is a homosexual, because she gave him a "Christian upbringing" and thinks that he's incapable of having such an orientation because of that.

 

At the end of the day, religion isn't the problem. For some people, religion can help them, or give their life a meaning. It's fundamentalists and extremists that are the problem. Along with greed and hypocrisy in some parts of the church itself. There's nothing at all wrong with faith. Faith can help people. It's organised religion and fundamentalism that's the problem in my eyes. I don't like to admit my atheism for fear of being compared to some downright ignorant people who consider all religious people as cretins.

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General Goose
How can you recover from losing faith in God? It's not an illness or disease.

 

And he meant mother I think. Still....

its addiction to sex and to his Girlfriend.

He's gay though.

 

And it's natural for boys of both sexualities to look at such magazines.

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Mad Tony

 

Religion is absolutely fine. It's these irrational and extreme people who are the ones doing damage to society. As I said, they skew their beliefs so that they can use them to justify what they're doing - both to themselves and others.

You think so?

Link

Yeah, I do. I never said all followers of religion were fine though. Of course you're gonna get some wackos. I'm having doubts about whether that is even legit, thoguh. Funny none the less.

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philster_12
How can you recover from losing faith in God? It's not an illness or disease.

 

And he meant mother I think. Still....

its addiction to sex and to his Girlfriend.

He's gay though.

 

And it's natural for boys of both sexualities to look at such magazines.

not pretty sure if he's gay tough, he has a Girlfriend. its either he's bisexual or his Girlfriend bought the magazine.

 

from my thought he'd probably be normal, if he's gay he would'nt have sex with his Girlfriend.

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General Goose

Where is proof of this girlfriend?

 

The mother suspects he has a girlfriend, but if I remember she never saw her.

 

As such, this ignorant mother is trying to cover up almost definite blatant homosexuality.

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sam33

OF COURSE. If somebody needs religion or god to pull them through a tough time then let them. I know plenty of people who thought that "God" has pulled them through tough times and although I myself do not paticularly beleive in god I beleive others can because it makes them feel safe, secure etc.

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philster_12
OF COURSE. If somebody needs religion or god to pull them through a tough time then let them. I know plenty of people who thought that "God" has pulled them through tough times and although I myself do not paticularly beleive in god I beleive others can because it makes them feel safe, secure etc.

Good Thing. there are still some people who respect religion unlike this one,

 

 

Religion sucks.

no proves.

 

I think one of the reasons why some People Don't Like religion is because THEY say I Does'nt exist . well i say it Does exist , Don't they even understand that this religions have been preserved for 2 thousand years with a bundle of Miracles which have been proven like Uncorruptible bodies of saints, our lady of Guadalupe and some other stuff . yet you say its all fake .

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Religion sucks.

no proves.

 

I think one of the reasons why some People Don't Like religion is because THEY say I Does'nt exist . well i say it Does exist , Don't they even understand that this religions have been preserved for 2 thousand years with a bundle of Miracles which have been proven like Uncorruptible bodies of saints, our lady of Guadalupe and some other stuff . yet you say its all fake .

I dont think you can deny religion exists. its like denying the existence of giraffes. i think its people not believing in god, not religion itself. and where is proof of these "miracles"? any Marian apparition for example can be caused by hallucination, or can be a hoax all together.

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