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Does the world still need religion?

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Mad Tony
in my honest opinnion i think that the world would be a better place if 0%

of the human population would believe in anything supernatural.

 

 

How does not believing in a higher power and/or the supernatural make somebody a better person?

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General Goose

Religion has a main pro and a main con in human interaction:

 

The pro

Most religions teach compassion, friendship, charity and care. As an example, look at charities like, for example, Christian Aid.

 

The con

Religions can cause hatred and extremism (Westboro Baptist Church, Al Qaeda, the Crusades...)

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Seachmall
Most religions teach compassion, friendship, charity and care. As an example, look at charities like, for example, Christian Aid.

But primarily through the Golden Rule, which isn't exclusively religious. Any other means of teaching compassion seems to be through bribery (go to heaven) or threat (go to hell).

 

I think religion is just a medium for teaching kids these things and it does quite well but at the same time I'm sure there are other more relevant ways.

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General Goose

While not exactly religious myself, the whole bribery and threat thing does work quite well. biggrin.gif

 

Another pro of religion is that it does make people happy.

 

In my opinion, religious extremism can go, but religion as a whole is mainly a force for good.

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in my honest opinnion i think that the world would be a better place if 0%

of the human population would believe in anything supernatural.

How does not believing in a higher power and/or the supernatural make somebody a better person?

not people but the mankind.

 

over all religion does more bad than good.

 

user posted image

 

1

if religion causes more bad than good

it has a bad influense on the world.

2

if religion causes exactly the same amount

of bad as it causes good it would have the same

effect than if there would be no religion.

 

3

if it causes more good than bad it has a good influense

on the world.

 

 

 

the main point is that you cant put things like

 

compassion, friendship, charity and care

in religions reseme because those things are not

religious teachings, just plain manners, common sense

and being good for the sake of being good.

just because religion also teaches those things

doesnt mean that they have the copyright to go with them.

 

it´s a human thing not a religion thing.

 

 

 

now for the bad influense. there are plenty of bad things

that are strictly based on religion.

sacrifices

planned marridge

lower status for women

discrimination of gay people

discrimination of people from another race

 

the bible teaches us about segrecation (white/black)

the fear of god

KKK

muslim extremists

 

and that´s just what i can think of now

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General Goose

My point about religion teaching kindness and stuff stems from the fact many religions actively encourage such actions, and even attach punishments and rewards. Many people thus try to act as nicely as possible due to religion (however, plenty of others, including some believers, act nice out of genuine kindness.)

 

I know it's a human thing, but religion is one of the most effective ways of doing so.

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I know it's a human thing, but religion is one of the most effective ways of doing so.

no it´s not. a proper way to raise a child is the most effective way.

in here even the religious people arent that religious.

only old people go to church. religion has pretty much no role

in the daily life of the average Finnish person.

they dont raise their kids to be good by telling them

that it´s because a god wants them to be good.

they tell them to be good so that others will be good

to them, being good for the sake of being good etc.

 

not because of religion.

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General Goose
I know it's a human thing, but religion is one of the most effective ways of doing so.

no it´s not. a proper way to raise a child is the most effective way.

in here even the religious people arent that religious.

only old people go to church. religion has pretty much no role

in the daily life of the average Finnish person.

they dont raise their kids to be good by telling them

that it´s because a god wants them to be good.

they tell them to be good so that others will be good

to them, being good for the sake of being good etc.

 

not because of religion.

Obviously, raising kids up properly is the best way, but religion, like, for example, punishment after crime, are one of the best ways to teach people right and wrong.

 

I know a few people, who, at heart, are good people, but try that bit harder to be selfless and moral because of religion.

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I know a few people, who, at heart, are good people, but try that bit harder to be selfless and moral because of religion.

religious people do good because they´re

1 doing for sake of doing good

2 doing it because they´re told to (god)

3 doing it because they get something out of it (afterlife)

 

non- religious people do good because

1 they do good for the sake of doing good.

 

not because they´re supposed to.

not because they get something for doing it.

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Mad Tony

 

now for the bad influense. there are plenty of bad things

that are strictly based on religion.

sacrifices

planned marridge

lower status for women

discrimination of gay people

discrimination of people from another race

 

Ok, what the hell was that graph supposed to mean? I'm at a loss there.

 

Sacrifice is condemned by all of the major religions. As far as I know, sacrifices are only carried out by a small amount of African tribes.

 

Arranged marriage isn't strictly based on religion at all. Religion is just one of the many reasons people give for arranged marriages. Arranged marriages are also done because of things like wealth and family reputation.

 

The lower status of women in society hasn't got much to do with religion at all. It's more to do with the male perception that women are the weaker sex, because generally they are weaker physically.

 

Discrimination of homosexuals and people from other races and cultures has got absolutely nothing to do with religion. Once again, it's just one reason some people might give for discriminating against these groups. Racial and sexual discrimination. Most people who act in a discriminatory manner towards these groups do so because they differ from themselves. Take away religion and you'll still have homosexuals and people from other races being discriminated against. I hate to bring the Nazis into this, but I feel that it's a good way to represent my point.

 

Hitler didn't persecute Jews, homosexuals, slavs gypsies etc because of some sort of religious ideal. He did it because they were different and he believed that the Germans were racially superior to all of those groups. Of course Hitler's persecution of Communists was all to do with his political beliefs and didn't involve religion either.

 

 

non- religious people do good because

1 they do good for the sake of doing good.

 

not because they´re supposed to.

not because they get something for doing it.

Are you really that ignorant? Do you honestly believe the only reason why a non-religious person might do something is just for the sake of being good? People (both non-religious and religious) do good things for other reasons as well. Such as:

 

Improving one's self image

Soothing one's own conscience

To get a reward

 

Of course some people do good things just for the sake of being good, but you've got to understand that just because someone may not be religious doesn't mean they're not looking for themselves when they do good things. You're looking at this from an extremely biased viewpoint.

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Sacrifice is condemned by all of the major religions. As far as I know, sacrifices are only carried out by a small amount of African tribes.

so? religion still practises sacrifices. it doesnt matter which religion.

 

 

 

Arranged marriage isn't strictly based on religion at all. Religion is just one of the many reasons people give for arranged marriages.

 

it comes from culture which is pretty much 100% based on religion.

 

Arranged marriages are also done because of things like wealth and family reputation.

 

i do agree with this though.. i shoul´ve taken that into concideration.

 

The lower status of women in society hasn't got much to do with religion at all. It's more to do with the male perception that women are the weaker sex, because generally they are weaker physically.

 

there´s a sh*t load of content about about this in religious books such as the bible and quran

 

 

 

Discrimination of homosexuals and people from other races and cultures has got absolutely nothing to do with religion. Once again, it's just one reason some people might give for discriminating against these groups. Racial and sexual discrimination. Most people who act in a discriminatory manner towa

 

rds these groups do so because they differ from themselves. Take away religion and you'll still have homosexuals and people from other races being discriminated against. I hate to bring the Nazis into this, but I feel that it's a good way to represent my point.

 

Hitler didn't persecute Jews, homosexuals, slavs gypsies etc because of some sort of religious ideal. He did it because they were different and he believed that the Germans were racially superior to all of those groups. Of course Hitler's persecution of Communists was all to do with his political beliefs and didn't involve religion either.

 

 

i was thinking more about KKK muslim extremists and the fact how bible

promotes segrecation(said by one of your presidents.. back then)

but since it is done for non-religious views too it doesnt really count..

 

 

Are you really that ignorant? Do you honestly believe the only reason why a non-religious person might do something is just for the sake of being good? People (both non-religious and religious) do good things for other reasons as well. Such as:

 

Improving one's self image

Soothing one's own conscience

To get a reward

 

Of course some people do good things just for the sake of being good, but you've got to understand that just because someone may not be religious doesn't mean they're not looking for themselves when they do good things. You're looking at this from an extremely biased viewpoint.

 

you´re right. i should´ve taken..

Improving one's self image

Soothing one's own conscience

To get a reward

..in my concideration.

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Mad Tony

 

so? religion still practises sacrifices. it doesnt matter which religion.
How can a belief practice human sacrifice? The follows may do yes, but not the actual religion. I don't really think that's a valid point this human sacrifice is virtually non-existent, even in remote tribal religions.

 

 

it comes from culture which is pretty much 100% based on religion.
No, culture isn't "based" on anything. Culture is influenced by certain things, and religion is just one of the many influences. Politics is also a big influence in some cultures, far bigger than religion.

 

 

there´s a sh*t load of content about about this in religious books such as the bible and quran
The bible and the Quran were written in times where women were of a lower status because of the reason I mentioned earlier. My point is that the lower status of women is certainly not exclusive to religion.

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Gundog

Religion, to me at least, is irrelevant, as most things that were considered divine in the past, can be logically explained. My theory that religion, in general, is the biggest marketing scam in history.

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FFRJ
Religion has a main pro and a main con in human interaction:

 

The pro

Most religions teach compassion, friendship, charity and care. As an example, look at charities like, for example, Christian Aid.

 

The con

Religions can cause hatred and extremism (Westboro Baptist Church, Al Qaeda, the Crusades...)

Well that could be said for any belief or theory.

 

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Bullet_Chris
1.Obviously, raising kids up properly is the best way, but religion, like, for example, punishment after crime, are one of the best ways to teach people right and wrong.

 

2.I know a few people, who, at heart, are good people, but try that bit harder to be selfless and moral because of religion.

1.I agree.Religion is good while you are a kid(under 10 or 12).I don't believe in anything in the Bible but I do believe there is a deity or a force that is among us.

 

2.I'm a good man without the need of religion.Any rational man can see the difference between good and bad.It's up to them to control their instincts\fears\whatever.

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1.Obviously, raising kids up properly is the best way, but religion, like, for example, punishment after crime, are one of the best ways to teach people right and wrong.

 

1.I agree.Religion is good while you are a kid(under 10 or 12).I don't believe in anything in the Bible but I do believe there is a deity or a force that is among us.

Why is religion good for children? I would rather teach my children to do good for its own sake rather than under the threat or promise of an eternal punishment/reward. I would also rather teach them how to determine right and wrong for themselves rather than try and use the prescriptive lists found in the bible/other religious document.

 

Religious instruction actually seems quite a poor way to teach people how to act ethically. Rote learning and unflinching obedience of rules regardless of the circumstances, outcomes, and contexts can lead to horrendous outcomes.

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Bullet_Chris
Why is religion good for children? I would rather teach my children to do good for its own sake rather than under the threat or promise of an eternal punishment/reward. I would also rather teach them how to determine right and wrong for themselves rather than try and use the prescriptive lists found in the bible/other religious document.

 

Religious instruction actually seems quite a poor way to teach people how to act ethically. Rote learning and unflinching obedience of rules regardless of the circumstances, outcomes, and contexts can lead to horrendous outcomes.

It is one of the ways to teach a kid.It also makes them afraid to do bad things because they think they'll end up in hell.

I agree that there are other ways but it depends on the parrents.

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philster_12

The World needs Religion to inspire the people and to be an Example!

 

I am a Roman Catholic (christian) i have a Strong Belief in God the Father

 

I am not happy with the other religions Like the Muslims

There were not a Good Example in our Country in Wars, They cut the heads of our Soldiers angry.gif and when they got a dead Platoon, the slash the backs of the dead man,

 

 

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Seachmall
I am not happy with the other religions Like the Muslims

There were not a Good Example in our Country in Wars, They cut the heads of our Soldiers angry.gif and when they got a dead Platoon, the slash the backs of the dead man,

The best the thing about Christianity is followers don't bother to read the bible.

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General Goose

Sure...

 

Virtually every religion has committed various atrocities at one point.

 

Due to being two of the largest, Muslims and Christians tend to historically commit the most atrocities in the name of religion.

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philster_12
I am not happy with the other religions Like the Muslims

There were not a Good Example in our Country in Wars, They cut the heads of our Soldiers  angry.gif  and when they got a dead Platoon, the slash the backs of the dead man,

The best the thing about Christianity is followers don't bother to read the bible.

Whats that Supposed to mean in my post?

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General Goose
I am not happy with the other religions Like the Muslims

There were not a Good Example in our Country in Wars, They cut the heads of our Soldiers  angry.gif  and when they got a dead Platoon, the slash the backs of the dead man,

The best the thing about Christianity is followers don't bother to read the bible.

Whats that Supposed to mean in my post?

I'll guess. You show ignorance regarding peace and tolerance Christianity teaches, you show ignorance regarding the atrocities Christianity has committed (crusades, inquisition and more) and only a few Muslims do such things.

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ObsydianRaven

I think religion has no use in today's modern world with science explaining almost everything that pops up.

 

Also, I heard that there are militant atheist, is that true?

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General Goose

Some are very insensitive, and there are almost definitely militant atheists here and there.

 

Even having a religious belief of non religion makes some people arseholes.

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philster_12
I am not happy with the other religions Like the Muslims

There were not a Good Example in our Country in Wars, They cut the heads of our Soldiers  angry.gif  and when they got a dead Platoon, the slash the backs of the dead man,

The best the thing about Christianity is followers don't bother to read the bible.

Whats that Supposed to mean in my post?

I'll guess. You show ignorance regarding peace and tolerance Christianity teaches, you show ignorance regarding the atrocities Christianity has committed (crusades, inquisition and more) and only a few Muslims do such things.

well i Agree, Christianity has some atrocities However, its just that other Religions (no offense) make the front page.

 

well not all religions are bad tough, i admit christianity abuse sometime, but other religions do abuse sometime but at least christianity is'nt a brutal religion, besides all religions has some loop holes that we don't agree at.

 

 

The best the thing about Christianity is followers don't bother to read the bible.

 

to Muslims, Do you read the Koran often?

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Superb

Religion is fine, people who want to believe it have every right to, I'm not religious and I didn't like the fact religion was drilled into me at a young age at school.

 

You should be given the choice whether you believe in it or not. But say you follow a religion, you shouldn't think you have to do everything it says in the holy book and copy like a sheep, say it said to kill people who don't believe in that religion, that would be silly. It shouldn't have strict guidelines, it should be something to give you peace of mind when you most need it.

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Seachmall

 

I'll guess. You show ignorance regarding peace and tolerance Christianity teaches, you show ignorance regarding the atrocities Christianity has committed (crusades, inquisition and more) and only a few Muslims do such things.

Close but it was mainly regarding the atrocities promoted in the Bible; genocide, public stoning, murder, rape, slavery etc. all get a good mention in the Old Testament by the big man himself.

 

If people read the bible for what it is the Westboro Baptist Church would be a hell of a lot bigger, and your average day Christian would be slaughtered in the street.

but at least christianity is'nt a brutal religion
The teachings are the same, the moral values of society have changed. Christianity shouldn't get complimented on toning down when it was society who told it to chill the f*ck out. Christianity, like all religions, just adapted. Religion isn't about ensuring your soul gets saved, it's about survival and control.
It shouldn't have strict guidelines, it should be something to give you peace of mind when you most need it.
Something Jesus promoted several times in the Bible. In fact today in Mass (yes, I went to Mass today. More of a family reunion than anything else) the sermon was about hypocrisy in religion. The leaflet they gave out was about Jesus teaching against public signs of worship and silly rituals as it tends to lead down a dangerous road. The priest read this out, agreed with it and then got us to stand, sit, stand and kneel before breaking bread, handing it out to others and drinking wine as the sheep blessed themselves with holy water.

 

Based on the smiles and giggles after mass I wasn't the only one who saw the irony in this.

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I'll guess. You show ignorance regarding peace and tolerance Christianity teaches, you show ignorance regarding the atrocities Christianity has committed (crusades, inquisition and more) and only a few Muslims do such things.

Close but it was mainly regarding the atrocities promoted in the Bible; genocide, public stoning, murder, rape, slavery etc. all get a good mention in the Old Testament by the big man himself.

 

 

Hey, Those who have done atrocities in Bible were MOSTLY not Christians, i mean those guys that nalied Jesus in the cross were they christians? The People who Betrayed Moses were they christians? some of them are yet to be and some were dead not being a christian.

 

besides the Atrocities were done to christians! (in the bible) but currently everyone is doing it.

 

 

only a few Muslims do such things

 

but those things were brutal. the world always sees it ,

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Hey, Those who have done atrocities in Bible were MOSTLY not Christians, i mean those guys that nalied Jesus in the cross were they christians? The People who Betrayed Moses were they christians? some of them are yet to be and some were dead not being a christian.

 

besides the Atrocities were done to christians! (in the bible) but currently everyone is doing it.

sarcasm.gif

 

Pick up a bible and read it. I'm taking about the murder, rape, genocide etc. that the Christian GOD promotes in the bible and is done in the Christian God's name. It's all there in black and white.

 

And FYI, aside from the apostles and the odd one or two others, there are no Christians in the bible, and there are definitely none in the Old Testament.

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Hey, Those who have done atrocities in Bible were MOSTLY not Christians, i mean those guys that nalied Jesus in the cross were they christians? The People who Betrayed Moses were they christians? some of them are yet to be and some were dead not being a christian.

 

besides the Atrocities were done to christians! (in the bible) but currently everyone is doing it.

sarcasm.gif

 

Pick up a bible and read it. I'm taking about the murder, rape, genocide etc. that the Christian GOD promotes in the bible and is done in the Christian God's name. It's all there in black and white.

 

And FYI, aside from the apostles and the odd one or two others, there are no Christians in the bible, and there are definitely none in the Old Testament.

wth cry.gif

 

Pick up a bible and read it. I'm taking about the murder, rape, genocide etc. that the Christian GOD promotes in the bible and is done in the Christian God's name. It's all there in black and white.

 

i don't think god promoted murder, rape, genocide to be done by humans , but it is written as a crime,

 

well yeah, there where no christians in the old testaments but still i can say

 

 

Those who have done atrocities in Bible were ALL not Christians

 

and BTW the crimes created in the bible is human nature and GOD did not promote it.

 

 

Close but it was mainly regarding the atrocities promoted in the Bible; genocide, public stoning, murder, rape, slavery etc. all get a good mention in the Old Testament by the big man himself.

 

besides God did not write the bible.

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