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Does the world still need religion?

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Typhus
Yes and no. If having faith gives individuals strength very well but in the grand scheme of things faith justifies irrational beliefs and can hold back the human race from advancing. If we were to accept everything to be an act of God why do we need science? What's the point, this planet is temperary and if God designed it there is no need for anything to make sense so why bother looking for everything things to make sense?

Easy. Faith is a private and very personal thing. I would like to think that many scientists have at least got some faith in humanity and the ability to advance our interests.

The different nature of faith allows people to do different things. It doesn't hold anyone back because there are no power structures to corrupt our naturally good intentions. At least that's the way I see it.

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Machida

Religion disturbs me. Rightfully or wrongfully, but I certainly don't apologise for it. If you're someone of religion, then you're straight out f*cking coo coo and it's time for the straight jacket. I don't view you as sane of mind.

 

Religion has had it's three thousand years, they've f*cked it, it's time to move on.

 

-No children were abused/ bombed in the making of this post.

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Mad Tony

 

Religion disturbs me. Rightfully or wrongfully, but I certainly don't apologise for it. If you're someone of religion, then you're straight out f*cking coo coo and it's time for the straight jacket. I don't view you as sane of mind.

 

Religion has had it's three thousand years, they've f*cked it, it's time to move on.

 

-No children were abused/ bombed in the making of this post.

This kind of attitude is what's holding back society, not religion or anything else. This arrogant self-righteous belief that everyone who is different from you must be wrong or insane.

 

I guess it's true what they say, ignorance is bliss.

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Machida
This kind of attitude is what's holding back society, not religion or anything else. This arrogant self-righteous belief that everyone who is different from you must be wrong or insane.

 

I guess it's true what they say, ignorance is bliss.

Society isn't being held back at all. It's flourishing more than ever. That's fairly evident.

If you have any expansion or explanation to make on your points then don't let me stop you, but I slight inkling, eh captain Steve , that's about all you've got.

 

But by all means, explain away.

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Seachmall
Easy. Faith is a private and very personal thing. I would like to think that many scientists have at least got some faith in humanity and the ability to advance our interests.

The different nature of faith allows people to do different things. It doesn't hold anyone back because there are no power structures to corrupt our naturally good intentions. At least that's the way I see it.

That would be fine if it were true but unfortunately faith isn't a private thing and there are power structures attempting to corrupt our naturally good intentions.

 

Personal faith is all dandy when it occurs but all around the world there is public worship in churches and schools [despite Jesus warning against it], faith is forced on children too young to understand what it means. I've no problem with parents teaching their children about their beliefs but for a school to do so too? That is disgraceful, teach them what's out there and teach them religions flaws and failings but don't teach them it's true. Let them decide what to believe when they're old enough to decide it from a rational and objective standpoint.

 

And the power structures attempting to corrupt our naturally good intentions are the ones preaching the bible in it's current form. The new testament may be filled with love and care but the old testament is preaching from a whole different gospel, so to speak.

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Mad Tony
This kind of attitude is what's holding back society, not religion or anything else. This arrogant self-righteous belief that everyone who is different from you must be wrong or insane.

 

I guess it's true what they say, ignorance is bliss.

Society isn't being held back at all. It's flourishing more than ever. That's fairly evident.

If you have any expansion or explanation to make on your points then don't let me stop you, but I slight inkling, eh captain Steve , that's about all you've got.

 

But by all means, explain away.

Well, the fact that there is still a lot of prejudice in the world is evidence of society being held back. As I said, it's people like you who hold back society because you are intolerable of people who have beliefs that differ from your own.

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Machida

In an ideal world everyone would be sympathetic to all types of varying colours and creeds. Yet there's something to be said here for justified prejudices. The likes of honour crimes, religious murders, religious warring, child abuse. I mean, trying to f*ck a stranger in the ass? that's pushing the boundaries of social acceptance just a WEE bit don't you think?

 

You might want to watch out that front window Mad Tony because there's generations growing up without religion because they don't NEED or want it. Generations growing up where Jesus Christ is only used as a cuss word. It's certainly the norm in modern day Britan. Jesus.

 

 

With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil — but for good people to do evil — that takes religion.

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Mad Tony

 

In an ideal world everyone would be sympathetic to all types of varying colours and creeds. Yet there's something to be said here for justified prejudices. The likes of honour crimes, religious murders, religious warring, child abuse. I mean, trying to f*ck a stranger in the ass? that's pushing the boundaries of social acceptance just a WEE bit don't you think? 

 

You might want to watch out that front window Mad Tony because there's generations growing up without religion because they don't NEED or want it. Generations growing up where Jesus Christ is only used as a cuss word. It's certainly the norm in modern day Britan. Jesus.

 

 

With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil — but for good people to do evil — that takes religion.

I'm not asking you to be sympathetic towards religion, but come on, what's with the generalizations? Do you honestly think things like murder and child abuse are committed only by religious people? Sure, those people might use religion as an excuse to justify but that's just the same as any other excuse. Besides, only the very small minority of religious people take part in the crimes you mentioned above. And when did I say we should accept such crimes into society? All I said was that we should tolerate people of all beliefs. How you managed to turn that into tolerating crimes committed by religious people I do not know.

 

By making statements like "if you're religious then it's time for the straight jacket", all you're doing is just adding more fuel to the fire. One of the reasons why some religious people tend to be a bit aggressive with their views is because of attitudes like this. Of course, their aggressiveness is not justified but neither is your attitude. The sooner people like you grow up and learn to stop being so aggressive and intolerant, the better. Same goes for religious people who try to push their beliefs on others too.

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Seachmall

 

Of course, their aggressiveness is not justified but neither is your attitude.

Well, it kind of is. If someone went around worshipping a pink unicorn or orbiting teapot people would suggest a straight jacket for them too, and they'd probably need one too.

 

Religion is an irrational belief, Christianity is living your life by a book written 2000 years ago about a genocidal maniac and a philanthropist that may never have existed written decades, even centuries, after the supposed incidents. The morals taught in the new testament more or less contradict those of the old even though they both represent the same person, a superior being that cannot be proven. This superior being promotes, and even orders, the death of non-followers but has a change of heart 4000 years later when he sends his son to be killed for your sins, even though you haven't been born yet. When he does create you you are born into a world full of sin and evil, which you are tempted into, so he can test your soul. Of course he already knows the outcome and so must be doing it for fun, but he loves you.

 

Sure, it seems crazy when you put it like that...

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Mad Tony

Well that's fine since that's what you believe. I've always personally thought it was a bit strange to completely discount the idea of a God, since there really is no way to disprove his existence either. Still, I respect atheists, at least the ones that aren't too militant about it like you.

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Mad Tony
Out of the loads of people I know, very few attend a church/synagogue/mosque/other, which is a great sign.

 

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Why is it a great sign exactly? Providing they don't shove it in your face and keep it as a private matter, what difference does it make whether or not somebody attends a religious service?

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Mad Tony
Why is it a great sign exactly? Providing they don't shove it in your face and keep it as a private matter, what difference does it make whether or not somebody attends a religious service?

Maybe when they enter the voting booth, the Pastor's words would go with them?

So what if they do? Most people are influenced by what other people tell them. What difference does it make whether it's from a pastor or not? It should be about the message that they are being influenced by itself, not the person giving the message.

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arafiq78

Man cannot EVER live on his own. Man always need guidance or at least a reason to be alive. So yes, the world does STILL need religion/or another type of scientific belief. An important documentary that asks these questions is Zeitgeist. Enjoy.

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Mad Tony
Man cannot EVER live on his own. Man always need guidance or at least a reason to be alive. So yes, the world does STILL need religion/or another type of scientific belief. An important documentary that asks these questions is Zeitgeist. Enjoy.

Zeitgeist? You mean the documentary that supports the illogical 9/11 conspiracy theories and promotes other such conspiracy theories about a secret organization plotting to take over the world?

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arafiq78
Man cannot EVER live on his own. Man always need guidance or at least a reason to be alive. So yes, the world does STILL need religion/or another type of scientific belief. An important documentary that asks these questions is Zeitgeist. Enjoy.

Zeitgeist? You mean the documentary that supports the illogical 9/11 conspiracy theories and promotes other such conspiracy theories about a secret organization plotting to take over the world?

If you continue to watch, the narrator explains some New World ways to live. I do not want to start a debate over conspiracy theories, please.

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Mad Tony
Man cannot EVER live on his own. Man always need guidance or at least a reason to be alive. So yes, the world does STILL need religion/or another type of scientific belief. An important documentary that asks these questions is Zeitgeist. Enjoy.

Zeitgeist? You mean the documentary that supports the illogical 9/11 conspiracy theories and promotes other such conspiracy theories about a secret organization plotting to take over the world?

If you continue to watch, the narrator explains some New World ways to live. I do not want to start a debate over conspiracy theories, please.

What exactly do you mean by New World ways to live?

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Seachmall

 

Well that's fine since that's what you believe. I've always personally thought it was a bit strange to completely discount the idea of a God, since there really is no way to disprove his existence either.

I don't believe there is no God much like I don't belief there is. I have no beliefs on the subject because both of the beliefs require proof, to choose one over the other and then try to justify it is arbitrary. I belief it's possible that there is a God but not probable. I've explained this in another thread but I'll give a brief outline of it here.

 

Everything is possible, no exceptions (yes, that includes things being impossible).

By default I view everything as improbable, if I hear some outlandish claim I'm not going to assume it's probably true until I see some evidence.

If there is evidence it moves to probable.

 

Seems logical enough, where atheists differ from [most] theists is that we apply it to religion too.

Still, I respect atheists, at least the ones that aren't too militant about it like you.
I wouldn't classify myself as a militant atheist, just one with a dry sense of humour. I don't go around promoting atheism unless I'm in a debate about religion in which case I'll explain/defend my position and probably poke fun (which I do at everything anyway).

 

And I respect theists too, just not based on their religious beliefs. I base respect on someone's ability to do X, Y or Z not their personal beliefs or feelings. I respect Hitler for his charisma and what-not but I dislike him greatly for his actions and opinions.

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Mad Tony

I know you're not a militant atheist, that was my point. I have respect for people like you.

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arafiq78

 

Man cannot EVER live on his own. Man always need guidance or at least a reason to be alive. So yes, the world does STILL need religion/or another type of scientific belief. An important documentary that asks these questions is Zeitgeist. Enjoy.

Zeitgeist? You mean the documentary that supports the illogical 9/11 conspiracy theories and promotes other such conspiracy theories about a secret organization plotting to take over the world?

If you continue to watch, the narrator explains some New World ways to live. I do not want to start a debate over conspiracy theories, please.

What exactly do you mean by New World ways to live?

We certainly aren't going to have Capitalism in the future. Communism was once thought to be the best idea ever, and now, recently, it fell. The same plethora of events is happening now with Capitalism. For example, The American Recession. The new ways of life will rise. Either communism shall return, or a new way of life and thinking will form.

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Mad Tony
So what if they do? Most people are influenced by what other people tell them. What difference does it make whether it's from a pastor or not? It should be about the message that they are being influenced by itself, not the person giving the message.

Which would take us back to square one..

 

The point is, I disagree with what those people tell them, to the foundation of their beliefs, not just the image or ways of some among them. The respect, power and influence they've established is such that it often obliterates impartiality; that's what I take issue with most.

 

I gotcha, there's no question we should stay respectful about it, and I fully stand by them having the rights to believe what they want. No doubt. Honestly, there are loads of 'atheists' who I disagree with just as much, but wouldn't want any such rights taken from any of them.

 

Agree to disagree?

 

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@arafiq78: You do realize that the US has had worst economic conditions in the past without changing its form of government?

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@arafiq78: You do realize that the US has had worst economic conditions in the past without changing its form of government?

 

Yes I do. I'm just saying that if this continues, we will eventually be needing new a new abstraction.

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Struff Bunstridge

Stay on topic please, chaps. The economy fluctuates - it always has, and it always will. It doesn't have any bearing on the subject at hand, however.

 

Surprisingly, I find myself agreeing with Typhus on this, which I haven't done very often in the past. Faith and religion are two very different concepts in my mind. They're obviously very closely linked, but at the same time, faith, as I understand it, is a much more personal and introspective thing, and is a lot harder to quantify and ascribe a value to than religion. Faith is independent of environment, whereas religion walks hand in hand with culture - some religions inform culture far more than others, and many countries and cultures can almost be defined by the primary religion followed within them. Faith, on the other hand, doesn't appear to have such a heavy touch, and doesn't necessarily involve spirituality or higher powers, so it strikes me that it will always outlive organised religion - it simply doesn't need to expressed and externalised in the way that organised religion seems to require, and allows for a much broader spectrum of ideology.

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Bullet_Chris

I think about religion sometimes.But I'm sceptical because the bible was written by people, that could lie.I heard something funny from one of my friends when I asked:

 

Me:'Why should we trus the bible?

Him:'God written it!'  lol.gif

Me:Not true!People written it and they [sarcasm?]were ispired by god[/sarcasm?].

 

I would have said:'What are you stupid?How would god write?He is a ghost'

but considering he is my friend I didnt.

 

I like to think that something superior created us because I need an answer to the question:'What happens to us after we die?' and 'What is the point of life?'.

The Bible was probably written because that people knew there was no point to life and they wanted to give us a reason to live or something.

 

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K^2

The exact histories of religious texts are difficult to track. I'm sure that many were written by genuine believers. Some, perhaps, by crazy people. Some others were probably not meant to be taken literally.

 

However, we know a little bit about where New Testament came from, and why the Bible along with Christianity got intentionally spread by the Roman Empire. Emperor Constantine has chosen to adopt Christianity for several reasons. It asked for obedience, non-violence, promised people heavenly rewards for hard work and God's punishment to the rich, and most importantly, insisted that people who rule do so because of God's will. (Divine right.) So Christians could have been worked to death without pay, be sent to die in battle, and all that without them daring to revolt against their ruler. Nice, isn't it? So Constantine has gathered some people to figure out which of the already existing texts should be kept and which should be dropped. The decision was made based on whether texts reinforced the above ideas or not. After that, entire Roman Empire has been, rather forcibly at times, converted to Christianity, allowing it to spread throughout Europe, and subsequently into Africa and Asia.

 

You can think whatever you want about the individual texts and people who wrote them, but they have been put together into a single book to reinforce authority of the government and to help exploit the working class. This is definitely the kind of religion I can do without.

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Shaunr

I don't think it's a matter of if people need it, but people willing to believe what is sensible instead of faith.

 

And a lot of people don't seem to want to give up their faith maybe because of the loved ones they share their religion with and stop themself from considering what is sensible so the only thing they have left is their religion.

 

For example, Christianity, people don't think about all the other planets which is fact they exist but the bible never mentioned one F*cking thing about anything like it. And what we can easily see from the Earth, the moon, was never said was created by god.

 

Right now I can say, and am willing to bet my life that their is no god. And if there is then strike me dead right now.

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Right now I can say, and am willing to bet my life that their is no god. And if there is then strike me dead right now.

I've said the same thing many times, and I've yet to be struck down.

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makeshyft

Must have been Joe Pesci.

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ThePhenom92

Well I'm Atheist, and I think that religion should still be around, as long as people don't force us or beat us into being Christian, Catholic etc. Today we have an explanation for just about everything the Bible and what other religions said. It was like the Greek Gods. They were simply explanations for what went on in the world, once we found out what was causing everything, people stopped believing. That should happen today, but I think the Bible should be kept around.

 

Try to remember when you were younger, and when you read the Bible or went to Church or were taught stuff about religion. Remember how the Bible said, you do good you go to Heaven, and if you do bad you go to Hell? Doesn't just about everyone who believes what the Bible says, try to be good so they can get into Heaven? I think the Bible should be kept around as lessons. "See what happened to so and so? He didn't do good things so he went to Hell where life is bad. But see what happened to so and so? He did good things and he went to Heaven where life is great." I don't see the Bible as a scam or bad things, but more so a book that teaches you lessons about life so you can live it well.

 

Also, religion gives people faith. They want to live on with their life knowing in the end something good will happen and that once dead, they will go to a great place and see old loved ones. Religion brings families together, and it helps build new friendships/relationships. My family (Just basically My mom, my brother and me since we live together) met these Jehovah Witnesses who taught us the word of God and were actually good people. When we weren't talking about God, we talked about life. My mom and brother would talk with the old and married couple about Honduras while I would play with their Grandchildren. It was fun and still is, and it helped make a great relationship between two different families.

 

In the end, I think religion should be kept around, as it actually gives people faith, helped build new relationships and friendships, and it teaches the young, old, and just about anyone to do good things and to not do bad things. But for the love of God, don't shove it down our throats.

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in my honest opinnion i think that the world would be a better place if 0%

of the human population would believe in anything supernatural.

 

and for OP´s actual question..

 

no. we dont need religion. not at all.

we want religion. but according to statistics

that´s going to change. there are more and more

atheists every year. in here religious people

are already a small minority within the youth.

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General Goose

I think there is no God and no afterlife (no proof for it, but admittedly no proof against it), but I frequently hope otherwise.

 

Religion was a concept made by man as moral guidance and to answer questions. Now people exploit religion for reasons of hate and political argument.

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