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Omnia sunt Communia

Does the world still need religion?

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Omnia sunt Communia

It seems in days gone by that religion was necessary, not only for moral guidance, but to explain the unexplainable. Can't figure out why the Earth orbits the Sun? God did it! These were the sorts of questions and answers you could expect from a person in the years of the Bible, Qur'an and other such books.

 

Nowadays though science has answered most of the burning questions that plagued our minds and forced us to seek guidance in a higher being. There are very few questions that cannot be answered by the means of scientific evaluation.

 

That begs the question: Does the world still need religion?

 

Of course we still look to our various deities for moral guidance or some sort of other-worldly miracle every once and a while, but is that really necessary? It seems the lessons taught to us by the Jesus, Mohammad or whoever has been ingrained into our moral woodwork over the countless years and those teaching are what we consider natural nowadays.

 

The only thing that religions seems to cause these days is controversy. Whether it's one nation fighting another over their beliefs, a preacher speaking out against something their religion forbids or two people arguing over creationism versus evolution. Most of the uses religion had have been fulfilled at it seems that it had done it's job.

 

What are your thoughts on the matter?

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It seems in days gone by that religion was necessary, not only for moral guidance, but to explain the unexplainable. Can't figure out why the Earth orbits the Sun? God did it! These were the sorts of questions and answers you could expect from a person in the years of the Bible, Qur'an and other such books.

 

Nowadays though science has answered most of the burning questions that plagued our minds and forced us to seek guidance in a higher being. There are very few questions that cannot be answered by the means of scientific evaluation.

 

That begs the question: Does the world still need religion?

 

Of course we still look to our various deities for moral guidance or some sort of other-worldly miracle every once and a while, but is that really necessary? It seems the lessons taught to us by the Jesus, Mohammad or whoever has been ingrained into our moral woodwork over the countless years and those teaching are what we consider natural nowadays.

 

The only thing that religions seems to cause these days is controversy. Whether it's one nation fighting another over their beliefs, a preacher speaking out against something their religion forbids or two people arguing over creationism versus evolution. Most of the uses religion had have been fulfilled at it seems that it had done it's job.

 

What are your thoughts on the matter?

No. We don't need it in the first place. Religion is, just like Santa Claus if you ask me.

It's all just social control, and an attempt to force people to support what's in the bible. Within, say 100 years the majority of the world will be Atheist/Agnostics.

There was no virgin giving birth, there is no one answering or even listening to your prayers, just ditch that sh*t, get a grip on reality and start to live your life!

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Mad Tony

The world doesn't need religion, but some people choose to follow it. Unfortunately though, there are militant atheists out there that seem to have a problem with that. What's wrong with people believing in religion? It doesn't harm you in anyway. Who are you to tell people what to believe? Yes, there are people who scold those who don't believe in God but at the same time there are people who mock those who do believe in a God. Throughout history people have been persecuted for both believing and not believing. The sooner people learn to stop shoving their views (atheist or religious) down others throats, the better. I can't help but think, perhaps if so many atheists didn't act so high and mighty all the time there'd be less religious extremists out there condemning atheists to hell.

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Typhus

The world needs an end to organised religion.

Private, formless faith is always necessary. Basically, religion must go so that faith can flourish.

Tell me, what independent spiritual growth can be acomplished from singing hymns? How Godly is it when some preacer on television talks of selflessness and then begs you to buy his *winkwin*great*knudgenudge* book?

Religion betrays the concepts of its founders. Religion betrays the free will that God gave us. Religion gives maniacs justification and purpose to their depravity. Religion stops scientific and social progress.

Faith however, is free. Faith has no price, no dress code, no kiddie-fiddler priests or decadent cathedrals. Faith is what the world needs, not religion.

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Mad Tony

 

The world needs an end to organised religion.

Private, formless faith is always necessary. Basically, religion must go so that faith can flourish.

Tell me, what independent spiritual growth can be acomplished from singing hymns? How Godly is it when some preacer on television talks of selflessness and then begs you to buy his *winkwin*great*knudgenudge* book?

Religion betrays the concepts of its founders. Religion betrays the free will that God gave us. Religion gives maniacs justification and purpose to their depravity. Religion stops scientific and social progress.

Faith however, is free. Faith has no price, no dress code, no kiddie-fiddler priests or decadent cathedrals. Faith is what the world needs, not religion.

It's some of the followers of religion that stop scientific and social progress, not religion itself.

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

Religion needs to end, its just a way in making people believe in something and giving them false hope. Religion does nothing but cause pointless disputes and conflict. Im atheist for a perfectly good reason, I dont want to get involved with sh*t like religion.

Religion is just a confidence trick in order to obtain money or advantage via some form of pretence or deception.

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Typhus

No. It's not the individual. It's the flock mentality. Starts off with one man in a church, soon ends with a whole group of people bleating the same message.

Faith becomes a negative thing when it is organised and structured.

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Religion needs to end, its just a way in making people believe in something and giving them false hope. Religion does nothing but cause pointless disputes and conflict. Im atheist for a perfectly good reason, I dont want to get involved with sh*t like religion.

Religion is just a confidence trick in order to obtain money or advantage via some form of pretence or deception.

This is what I mean by atheists who act all high and mighty. You can claim religion is just a scam all you like but whether you like it or not, there are thousands of religious charities all over the world that help people, and this isn't even counting all of the things many churches do to help their local communities.

 

It's not even religion that causes disputes and conflict, it's some of its followers. I don't know if you've noticed yet, but humans have been always been fighting over practically everything and anything. Doesn't that tell you that it's not religion, but us that have been causing the conflicts?

 

I'm not asking you to be religious here, I'm just asking you to stop making blanket statements.

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

Religion is just a playground for swindlers and shysters, the amount of times I have to tell people at my door to f*ck off due to their pathetic preaching is unbelievable. Your right in saying that its followers cause all of the conflict and dillusion, thats why I often see mentally ill people trying to spread a message of "hope" on city streets, people who have been brainwashed by charlatans.

 

 

/end of rant, sorry if I offended anyone.

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You can't just assume every religious person is like that because of the actions of a few. Fact is, most aren't. You get extremist atheists too, you know, the type of people who preach about how bad religion is and how it should be abolished. Should I hate all atheists because of the actions of this minority? Of course not, and I don't.

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I don't think we need religion, I think religious people believe we need religion because their beliefs say so. notify.gif

 

I also think religion takes credit where it's not due, if someone goes to Africa to help the poor they do it because they're good people but religion often takes the credit for them. People are good because they are, if they do it for religious beliefs (i.e. to get into heaven or avoid hell) then they're not good people they're just selfish and/or scared.

 

People do often use religion to justify hatred (WestBoro baptist church anyone?) which is extremely dangerous. Mainstream religions cherry pick their beliefs from their text of choice (proving we don't need religious influence to be good) but smaller "sects" take everything as it was handed to them and that is very dangerous. They rely on texts written thousands of years ago to guide them morally, that will not end well.

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

 

People are good because they are, if they do it for religious beliefs (i.e. to get into heaven or avoid hell) then they're not good people they're just selfish and/or scared.

Very true, infact, how is religion good? It promotes homophobia and sexism, and if you object to that then you're daft as it is quite evident as it has only been recent in society for people to have gay marriage and for females to become priests; In some religions that sexism is still present.

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People are good because they are, if they do it for religious beliefs (i.e. to get into heaven or avoid hell) then they're not good people they're just selfish and/or scared.

Very true, infact, how is religion good? It promotes homophobia and sexism, and if you object to that then you're daft as it is quite evident as it has only been recent in society for people to have gay marriage and for females to become priests; In some religions that sexism is still present.

The bible was written back in a time where homophobia and sexism were commonplace among both religious and irreligious people. Remember, the bible wasn't written by Jesus, it was written by ordinary people. This is what I mean by you making blanket statements. Not all religious people are sexist or homophobic. I've seen plenty of atheists who are homophobic and sexist, would I be justified in accusing atheism of promoting those things just because some atheists exhibit those prejudice characteristics? No.

 

The reason why things such as gay marriage and female priests are a recent thing is because we as a species have become generally more accepting of one another. It has nothing to do with religion.

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People are good because they are, if they do it for religious beliefs (i.e. to get into heaven or avoid hell) then they're not good people they're just selfish and/or scared.

Very true, infact, how is religion good? It promotes homophobia and sexism, and if you object to that then you're daft as it is quite evident as it has only been recent in society for people to have gay marriage and for females to become priests; In some religions that sexism is still present.

 

religion doesn’t promotes homophobia and sexism, people do. there are a lot of crazy rules in the bible, but most Christians choose not live by them. There’s a lot of Christian out there who aren’t homophobic and the vast majority aren’t sexist.

 

Im an atheist, however If believing in a religion can help someone to be a productive, law abiding member of society, then im all for it. The problem is when they start trying to push there beliefs on another person against there will. Any atheists who try to push there beliefs on another person is just as bad as a fundamentalist Christian in my opinion.

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I think it doesnt and i dont understand why they make us do it in school i think there should be a choice on if we do it or not.

 

My teacher kinda just shoves it all down our throats.

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The bible was written back in a time where homophobia and sexism were commonplace among both religious and irreligious people. Remember, the bible wasn't written by Jesus, it was written by ordinary people.

Well then how can you take anything from the bible? It was just written by ordinary people and if they make mistakes how do you know which bits to take and which bits not to take? The Catholic Church still preaches Homosexuality is a sin.

I've seen plenty of atheists who are homophobic and sexist, would I be justified in accusing atheism of promoting those things just because some atheists exhibit those prejudice characteristics? No.
Atheism isn't a structured belief system, in fact it many atheists oppose structured belief systems hence the term "Free thinkers".
The reason why things such as gay marriage and female priests are a recent thing is because we as a species have become generally more accepting of one another. It has nothing to do with religion.
Want me to break out the old testament? We both know what's in there.

 

religion doesn’t promotes homophobia and sexism, people do. there are a lot of crazy rules in the bible, but most Christians choose not live by them.
So if people pick the bits out of the bible why do we need it? How can you justify taking anything from the bible when you admit you just take the bits that seem right? Edited by Seachmall

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People are good because they are, if they do it for religious beliefs (i.e. to get into heaven or avoid hell) then they're not good people they're just selfish and/or scared.

Very true, infact, how is religion good? It promotes homophobia and sexism, and if you object to that then you're daft as it is quite evident as it has only been recent in society for people to have gay marriage and for females to become priests; In some religions that sexism is still present.

 

religion doesn’t promotes homophobia and sexism, people do. there are a lot of crazy rules in the bible, but most Christians choose not live by them. There’s a lot of Christian out there who aren’t homophobic and the vast majority aren’t sexist.

 

Im an atheist, however If believing in a religion can help someone to be a productive, law abiding member of society, then im all for it. The problem is when they start trying to push there beliefs on another person against there will. Any atheists who try to push there beliefs on another person is just as bad as a fundamentalist Christian in my opinion.

Finally, an atheist who doesn't just make blanket statements and act all high and mighty. icon14.gif

 

@Seachmall: I was referring to the things we today see as discriminatory.

 

I know atheism isn't a structured belief system, but that doesn't stop some atheist preaching about how there is no God. The way some atheists act you'd think it was a structured belief system.

 

As I said, we as a species have become more tolerable. I'm just talking about attitudes towards homosexuality and women, I'm talking about everything.

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Finally, an atheist who doesn't just make blanket statements and act all high and mighty. icon14.gif

I was there once, then I read the Bible.

I know atheism isn't a structured belief system, but that doesn't stop some atheist preaching about how there is no God. The way some atheists act you'd think it was a structured belief system.
I agree, there are those who appear to worship Dawkins and spew his arguments without understanding them.
As I said, we as a species have become more tolerable. I'm just talking about attitudes towards homosexuality and women, I'm talking about everything.
Yes we have, but Religion doesn't change, people do. People rely on religion less and less to get their morals. The Bible still tells us homosexuality is wrong and you can murder your children but people have just stopped listening.

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Finally, an atheist who doesn't just make blanket statements and act all high and mighty.  icon14.gif

I was there once, then I read the Bible.

I know atheism isn't a structured belief system, but that doesn't stop some atheist preaching about how there is no God. The way some atheists act you'd think it was a structured belief system.
I agree, there are those who appear to worship Dawkins and spew his arguments without understanding them.
As I said, we as a species have become more tolerable. I'm just talking about attitudes towards homosexuality and women, I'm talking about everything.
Yes we have, but Religion doesn't change, people do. People rely on religion less and less to get their morals. The Bible still tells us homosexuality is wrong and you can murder your children but people have just stopped listening.

So reading the bible gives you the right to act superior and make offensive comments? Honestly, I don't see why you can't just not believe in God but be civil and respectful about it at the same time.

 

People haven't stopped listening, they've just which messages are out of date.

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

 

So reading the bible gives you the right to act superior and make offensive comments? Honestly, I don't see why you can't just not believe in God but be civil and respectful about it at the same time.

 

I haven't made any offensive comments, I've just portrayed my opinion on brainwashing preaching religions affect on society.

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Typhus

So, do you agree that faith is a good thing?

Faith and dogma are different things after all. It's those without faith and those who are disciples of dogma that cause the problems in the world. Either they don't care or they care way too much.

The problem is that anything can be dogmatised. By the way some Atheists carry on I see little difference between them and the garden variety bigot.

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I honestly couldn't care less, I know lots of religious people, many are my friends and I dont tell them how to live their lives, I just think its ridiculous living your life around something that supposedly happened 2,000 years ago, thats just my two cents.

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Typhus

You don't care yet you're happy to judge?

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See, I think faith is a good thing for some. Some people need to believe in certain conventions to make their lives more bearable. That doesn't harm me, so I don't care. Some people need to follow a set of rules as they don't naturally possess a moral compass. That is beneficial to society in general.

 

While faith and mysticism is not right for me, it is right - sometimes necessary - for some. In that sense, 'faith' has a place in today's society, while it is arguable that organised religion may not.

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Mad Tony

 

So reading the bible gives you the right to act superior and make offensive comments? Honestly, I don't see why you can't just not believe in God but be civil and respectful about it at the same time.

 

I haven't made any offensive comments, I've just portrayed my opinion on brainwashing preaching religions affect on society.

I was actually talking to Seachmall, but I think it applies more to you. Stuff like "religion needs to end" and "religion doesn't do anything except cause conflict" are two of your many offensive statements. Seriously, you say you don't care yet you're obviously intent on crusading against religion, judging people and trying to tell people how to live their lives.

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McLovin2404

Q: Does the world still need religion?

 

A: Depends on how brain-washed you are. Believe whatever you want to believe. I believe in money...its what makes the world go round. icon14.gif

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Mad Tony

How does believing in a religion make you brainwashed?

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I believe in money...its what makes the world go round. icon14.gif

Money does the opposite of making the world go around, money results in greed and a strive for power, causing more conflict that religion, in my opinion.

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Seachmall
So reading the bible gives you the right to act superior and make offensive comments?

No, that was a joke.

Honestly, I don't see why you can't just not believe in God but be civil and respectful about it at the same time.
I am civil about it, but I don't respect it. I respect people but I'm not going to show respect for something that, to me at least, seems so ridiculous even if it offends the people I respect.
People haven't stopped listening, they've just which messages are out of date.
Same difference.
So, do you agree that faith is a good thing?
Yes and no. If having faith gives individuals strength very well but in the grand scheme of things faith justifies irrational beliefs and can hold back the human race from advancing. If we were to accept everything to be an act of God why do we need science? What's the point, this planet is temperary and if God designed it there is no need for anything to make sense so why bother looking for everything things to make sense?
judging people and trying to tell people how to live their lives.
I'm not judging anybody but I am commenting on religion, not necessarily religious people. Religious people are generally good people because they don't follow religious texts how they were meant to be followed, they pick and choose, they stop listening and "they just [decided/know] which messages are out of date."

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I'm not judging anybody but I am commenting on religion, not necessarily religious people. Religious people are generally good people because they don't follow religious texts how they were meant to be followed, they pick and choose, they stop listening and "they just [decided/know] which messages are out of date."

That was directed at Pr0xy_fl00d3r, not you tounge.gif

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