ObsydianRaven Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) Credits to Dragonex100 and Pr0xy_fl00d3r for helping me with this. Welcome to Los Santos, , South Los Santos: Based on South Los Angeles, Compton, Inglewood and Willowbrook. South Los Santos is home to most of Los Santos' gangs and such. South Los Santos is where you begin. Districts Include, -Ganton (Compton) -Vicewood (Inglewood) -Los Santos South (South Los Angeles) -Windbrook (Willowbrook) Marina Valley: Based on the LA Harbor Area, San Fernando, Crescenta Valley, Marina Del Rey, Los Feliz and Silver Lake. Marina Valley is home to a large marina and habor along it's shores. Marina Valley consist mostly of country area with large valleys and has small suburban towns within the valleys. Districts Include, -Portshaw (Harbor Area) -Sun Bay Marina (Marina Del Rey) -Los Triste (Los Feliz) -The Valley (San Fernando and Crescenta Valley) -Gold Lake (Silver Lake) Greater Vinewood: Based on Greater Hollywood, Beverly Hills, East Hollywood, West Hollywood and Universal City. Vinewood is the glimpse and galmour of Los Santos and is home to the rich and famous. Districts Include, -Vinewood (Hollywood) -Interglobal City (Universal City) -East Vinewood (East Hollywood) -West Vinewood (West Hollywood) -Colinas Mágicas (Beverly Hills) Central Los Santos: Based on Downtown Los Angeles, Northeast Los Angeles, East Los Angeles, West Los Angeles, Echo Park and Westlake. Central Los Santos is a massive urban area and is home to thousands of people. It is the largest island in the game. Districts Include, -Downtown (Downtown Los Angeles) -Westside (West Los Angeles) -Highland Park (Echo Park) -Dalesville (Northeast Los Angeles) -Eastern Basin (East Los Angeles) -Sidelake (Westlake) WEAPONS, Melee: Knife Baseball Bat Cane Crowbar Wrench Chainsaw Katana Police Baton Pistols: M1911 P99 DESERT EAGLE .375 REVOLVER Sub Machine Guns: MP5 Tec9 Mac10 Ump45 Rifles: AK47 M4A1 G36 Machine Guns: M60 M249 FN-Mag C6 Snipers: M24 PSG1 Shotguns: 870mcs XM 26 LSS Spas 12 Heavy: Milkor MGL RPG 7 M79 Mini Gun Other: Smoke Grenade Flash Grenade Explosives C4 Explosives Taser Nigh/Heat Vision Googles Crossbow BB Gun SIDE MISSIONS, 1.Taxi 2.Vigilante 3.Paramedic 4.Fireman 5.News Truck 6.Pilot 7.Semi Truck 8.Pizza Delivery 9.Limo 10.Bus Driver 11. Burglary 12.Street Racer STORES, Food Burger Shot Cluckin Bell McEejit's Bill Sr's The 69 Pizza Stack Clothing Perseus Phat Clothing ProLaps Modo Didier Sachs Binco Suburban Cafes TW@ MoonShines Tattos, Baber Shops Hemlock Bad Boy Tattos Shaun's Baber Shop Baberland Strip Clubs Zach and Ted's Playhouse The "Fun" Zone Bill's Gentlmen's Club Soundtrack, Bullet Proof 94.7: Hip Hop. Kid Cudi-Day N Nite Eminem ft Dr.Dre and 50 Cent-Crack a Bottle Nas-Hip Hop is Dead Tupac-Changes 50 Cent-What Up Gangsta (Instrumental) Mickey Avalon-F*ckin Em All Lloyd Banks-I'm Fly Trick Daddy ft Lil John and Twista-Let's Go T.I ft Lil Wayne, M.I.A , Jay Z and Kanye West-Swagga Like Us Fusion 107.9: Trance, Eletronic,, Big Beat, Dance, and Garage. Adain ft Tiesto -Beautiful Things Remix Sneaker Pimps-Spin Spin Sugar (Garage Remix) Daft Punk-Digital Love Cybotron-R9 Double 99-Rip Groove 102.3 The Trip: Trip Hop and Alternative Rap/Hip Hop. Gorillaz-Clint Eastwood M.I.A-Paper Planes A Tribe Called Quest-Find a Way Howie B-Baby Sweetcorn Jurassic 5-Work It Out eXtreme Radio: Grunge. Nirvana-Heart Shaped Box Alice In Chains-Stay Away Melvins-Honey Bucket Love Battery-Half Past You Pearl Jam-Gone Punk And Disorderly: Pop Punk, Punk Rock, Post Hardcore. Rancid-Roots Radicals Swingin Utters-Teenage Genocide Suicidal Tendencies-Freedumb Blink 182- Carousel Radio Ganton: 80's/Early 90's Gangsta Rap. Mobb Deep-Survival of the Fittest Dj Quik-Tonite Eazy-E-Real Mutha Phukin G's Boogie Down Productions-Dope Beat Snoop Dogg-Who Am I (What's My Name?) Party Radio: Reggaetron,Ragga,Latin Hop Hop. Daddy Yankee-Gasolina Alexis Y Fido-Lento Lento Lento Big Pun ft. Joe-Still Not A Player Slash FM: Nu Metal Slipknot-Wait and Bleed Linkin Park-Numb Flashback: 70's/80's Music. Dead or Alive-You Spin Me Around Michael Jackson-Thriller Michael Jackson-Just Beat It Cyndi Lauper-Goonie R Good Enough Eagles-Hotel California Michael Jackson-Smooth Criminal Radio Vinewood: R&B Usher-Trading Places Armerie-Gotta Work Rihanna ft. Jay Z-Umbrella Tevin Campbell-Perfectness Justin Timberlake-Cry Me A River Kanye West ft T Pain-Good life Ne Yo-Miss Independent Jamie Fox ft T Pain-Blame It Soul FM: Reggae 311-Amber Ini Kamoz -World a Reggae Sean Paul ft Sasha-I'm Still In Love San Andreas Rock: Rock, Hard Rock, Heavy Metal. ACDC-Rock N Roll Train Guns N Roses-Chinese Democracy Beastie Boys-(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (To Party!) Led Zepplin-Immigrant Song Van Halen-Without You Los Santos Underground: Underground Rap/Hip Hop. Aesop Rock-Daylight Cage-In Stoney Lodge Goose-No Seeds Tech9-Party Like A Rockstar Aesop Rock-Night Light STORY, In 1999, Zachery "Big-Z" Topps was a highly respected member of the Kings Street Posse, one of three largeest gangs in South Los Santos, that is until he was arrested while he was on a trip in Liberty City to deal drugs, after his arrest, he is sentenced to 10 in years in the Alderney State Correctional Facility. Fast Forward, 10 years later. It's 2009, Big-Z is released and travels back to Los Santos. When he arrives at his old home in Ganton, South Los Santos, Big-Z is reunited with the his two childhood friends and fellow gang members, Big Boss and Troy. Big-Z learns that the King Street Posse (or KSP as most of the characters call it) is at war with the two other major gangs in South Los Santos, the El Santos and the Bridge Street Gang. After completing the first 30 missions, Big Boss sends Big-Z to Marina Valley where he is meet Little Jacob and Niko Bellic, leaders of the newly formed Marina Valley Hillside Posse, a mostly Jamaican gang who has recently allied itself with the KSP. Big-Z assist the Marine Valley Hill Side Posse in their war against the Marina Valley Triads. After assisting the Marina Valley Hillside Posse, Big-Z recives a phone call from Tom Smith, the most famous celeberty in Vinewood, Tom apperently has heard about Big-Z's skills with guns and wants Big-Z to be his bodyguard. When Big-Z arrive in Vinewood to meet Tom, Big-Z learns that Tom is getting harassed by the Paparizzi, which is why Tom has hired him in the first place. Most of Tom's missions involve killing or severly injuring members of the Paparizzi. After working around 10 missions for Tom, Big-Z has been well known in Vinewood and have been given a phone call from the famous rapper, 60 Cents. He invites Big-Z to his crib because he needs Big-Z's help. When you arrive he tells you hes got major problems with some organized crime in Central Los Santos, and will pay Big-Z big money to stop his troubles. Agreeing, Big-Z heads over to CLS to find out whats the matter. When you arrive Big-Z gets another call from the Russian mob leader, Bulgarin to meet him at his track betting. Upon meeting him, Big-Z is assainged numerous tasks, and while it happens, Big-Z realises he has been trying to collct a hit on 60 Cents. There comes to be a point in the story where Big-Z has to choose between killing Bulgarin or 60 Cents. DEAL: Big-Z kills 60 Cents, later Big Boss calls Big-Z and says El Santos and Bridge Street gangs are declaring war. Big-Z head sover there right away and do around 29 missions for KSP with the help of the Marina Valley Hillside Posse. After about 20 missions later Big-Z recives a phone call from Phill Bell, who wants to Big-Z to help him get back a bag with $22,000,000 that the Marina Valley Triads stole from him. Later Bulgarin shows up at Big-Z's mansion at a certain point. He tries to take him out and kill Big-Z, but Big-Z succeeds to kill him first. BETRAYAL: Big-Z kills Bulgarin, later Big Boss calls Big-Z and says El Santos and Bridge Street gangs are declaring war. Big-Z head sover there right away and do around 29 missions for KSP with the help of the Marina Valley Hillside Posse. After about 20 missions later, the Russian Mafia begins to hunt down Big-Z for killing Bulgarian. Big-Z heads to 60 Cents mansion with Phill and his gang for a place to temperately hide. Not so long later the Russian Mafia has swarmed the building. A very intense gunfight goes on, and in the proccess Big Boss dies. After cleaning out all the mafia members, Big-Z is now the LEADER of KSP. The Russian Mafia takes 60 Cents and hold him hostage. When Big-Z arrives to save him, he finds 60 Cents dead. GANGS, Name:King Street Posse Leader:Michael "Big Boss" Lawson Type:Street Gang Ethnicity:African American Allies:Marina Valley Hillside Posse Enemies:Bridge Street Gang and El Santos Based on the Bloodz, the King Street Posse (KSP) is one of Los Santos' most infamous gangs in history. Notable members include Zachery "Big-Z" Topps. Name: Bridge Street Gang Leader: Tyson Jackson Type:Street Gang Ethnicity:African American Allies:None Enemies:King Street Posse and El Santos Based on the Crips, the Bridge Street Gang are the enemies of the King Street Posse for as long as they been around. Name: El Santos Leader:Pablo "Raimondo" Sanchez Type:Street Gang, Drug Cartel Ethnicity:Hispanic Allies:None Enemies:Bridge Street Gang and King Street Posse Based on the 38th Street Gang, the El Santos are infamous for distributing drugs throughout South Los Santos. Name:Marina Valley Hillside Posse Leader:Lil Jacob (main), Niko Belic (co-leader) Type: Drug Cartel Ethnicity:Jamaican, except for Niko Allies:King Street Posse Enemies:Marina Valley Triads, Patrol Investment Group The Marina Valley Hillside Posse is Los Santos' newest gang. Lead by Little Jacob and co-lead by Niko Belic, the Marina Valley Hillside Posse specializes in illegal arms dealing Name:Marina Valley Triads Leader: Unknown Type:Drug Cartel, Illegal Arms Dealers Ethnicity:Eastern Asian Allies:None Enemies:Marina Valley Hillside Posse, Patrol Investment Group The Marina Valley Triads patrol the areas throughout harbors of Marina Valley. Name:Patrol Investment Group Leader:Mr.Bigston Type:Protection Group Ethnicity:Mostly Caucasian Allies:None Enemies:Marina Valley Hillside Posse, Marina Valley Triads In 1993, workers in the harbors in Portshaw in Marina Valley were being killed by members of the Marina Valley Triads who were stealing things from the warehouses. The city officials were outraged at this and hired the Patrol Investment Group to patrol the harbors of Marina Valley and protect them from gangs. Name: Russian Mafia Leader:Ronald Gustaf Type:Organized Crime Syndicate Ethnicity:Russian Allies:Faustin Family Enemies: King Street Posse (If Betrayal is chosen) For years, the Russian Mafia has been the most powerful force in Los Santos' criminal underworld. Name:Faustin Family Leader:John Faustin Type:Organized Crime Syndicate Ethnicity:Russian American Allies:Russian Mafia Enemies:The Rifa Lead by John Faustin, cousin of Mikhail Faustin, the Faustin Family just recently moved into Los Santos Name:The Rifa Leader: Luis Surras Type:Street Gang, Drug Cartel[/b Ethnicity:Hispanic Allies:None Enemies:Westside Posse Based on the Mara Salvatrucha, The Rifa is yet another one of the many gangs in Los Santos. Name:Westside Posse Leader:Tyson Mecedez Type:Street Gang Ethnicity:Hispanic Allies:None Enemies:The Rifa The Westside Posse are the main rivals of The Rifa. They are extremely dangerous. There will be more to come soon. Edited April 23, 2009 by sethpenguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zilcho Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I think it was good, but I thought the DEAL/REVENGE has been way overdone, and I don't understand why Niko Bellic and Little Jacob have anything to do with this, and why they had to appear, not to mention Phil Bell. I thought there was slight laziness on your part for that, but that's my personal preference, please don't take offense. I liked your ideas and the map was also good, I'm interested in what's coming next. U R B A N I T A S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsydianRaven Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) I think it was good, but I thought the DEAL/REVENGE has been way overdone, and I don't understand why Niko Bellic and Little Jacob have anything to do with this, and why they had to appear, not to mention Phil Bell. I thought there was slight laziness on your part for that, but that's my personal preference, please don't take offense. I liked your ideas and the map was also good, I'm interested in what's coming next. Yea I'm trying to work things out ad see how Niko, LJ and Phil Bell could fit into the story. Also I'm going to change some things with the two endings. Edited April 18, 2009 by sethpenguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pr0xy_fl00d3r Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I like it, but as El Zilcho pointed out, why is Little jacob and Niko there? Thanks for the mention I only helped you with a radio station. Nice range of side missions aswell, I like the Limo one, could you imagine driving through LS picking up celebrities and trying to escape the paparazzi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsydianRaven Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 but as El Zilcho pointed out, why is Little jacob and Niko there? When I write the character Bios I'll add an explantion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I'm glad you've finally posted this...the build up was intense. Great job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsydianRaven Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 I'm glad you've finally posted this...the build up was intense. Great job! Thanks. Also I edited the story a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 If you want, I can edit my map and put streets in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsydianRaven Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 If you want, I can edit my map and put streets in it? No thanks I like the map the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pr0xy_fl00d3r Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Maybe you should add a little more substance to your map, for example, a key, roads, subway/train routes, airports, point of interest etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsydianRaven Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 Maybe you should add a little more substance to your map, for example, a key, roads, subway/train routes, airports, point of interest etc. I was going to added some highways, airports and railroads to the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjeem Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I like the Idea that you have Just done Los Santos instead of the whole of san andreas, and youve made a good map! or whoever helped you. I would put more 2pac in the radio because he was ledgendary IMO and all about West side. It's your choice of Radio though. You should improve on the deal and Betray thing IMO. It looks a little rushed so just add more detail and it could look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 and youve made a good map! or whoever helped you. Why thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsydianRaven Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 I like the Idea that you have Just done Los Santos instead of the whole of san andreas, and youve made a good map! or whoever helped you. I would put more 2pac in the radio because he was ledgendary IMO and all about West side. It's your choice of Radio though.You should improve on the deal and Betray thing IMO. It looks a little rushed so just add more detail and it could look good. The map was made by Dragonex. Also I'm going to continue updating the Soundtrack and Story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjeem Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 and youve made a good map! or whoever helped you. Why thank you. aha! it's you! well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 and youve made a good map! or whoever helped you. Why thank you. aha! it's you! well done! Thanks, but the real credit obviously goes to Seth for the idea itself, all I did really was make up the area names, map, and some of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsydianRaven Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 and youve made a good map! or whoever helped you. Why thank you. aha! it's you! well done! Thanks, but the real credit obviously goes to Seth for the idea itself, all I did really was make up the area names, map, and some of the story. You deserve it. Also I was thinking of adding some more detail to the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 and youve made a good map! or whoever helped you. Why thank you. aha! it's you! well done! Thanks, but the real credit obviously goes to Seth for the idea itself, all I did really was make up the area names, map, and some of the story. You deserve it. Also I was thinking of adding some more detail to the map. Do you mean that by you want to add the detail or do you want me to it. I'll gladly do it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pr0xy_fl00d3r Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I could quite easily imagine sethpenguin and Dragonex100 dating tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsydianRaven Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 and youve made a good map! or whoever helped you. Why thank you. aha! it's you! well done! Thanks, but the real credit obviously goes to Seth for the idea itself, all I did really was make up the area names, map, and some of the story. You deserve it. Also I was thinking of adding some more detail to the map. Do you mean that by you want to add the detail or do you want me to it. I'll gladly do it for you. Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I could quite easily imagine sethpenguin and Dragonex100 dating tbh. He's a guy, and I'm a guy. And I"m not gay..so, I'll have to pass. And I'll be working on the map then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnia sunt Communia Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Why would Niko Bellic be in Los Santos? I doubt he would travel to the other side of America to start a criminal empire with Little Jacob when by the end of GTA IV he clearly want out of the crime game. Not to mention the fact that in the time between GTA IV and this game: I doubt they would of been able to set up a gang the size of which you mentioned. The map you showed us doesn't really represent Los Angeles all that well. For a start Hollywood (Vinewood) isn't that big a part of Los Angeles (Los Santos). Maybe you should try basing your map on the actual location rather than throwing together three or four islands on paint and naming them after locations in San Andreas? That is what Los Angeles looks like. Notice it's distinct shape. Try transferring some of that into your game in order to add a little authenticity to the map. Another thing is, the gang names; did you just pull them off the top of your head or do they have meanings? Are they based on certain gangs in particular or did you just put what gangs you wanted to see in there, regardless of whether or not they operate in Los Angeles? I think this project is looking good, but it needs a lot of work before it can be considered brilliant. I really like the idea of a GTA set solely in Los Santos, though it needs to be unique and it needs to be realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjeem Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 jacky, although i get what you mean about the Islands that make up Los santos itself. It would be rather Hard to make it out of Islands when clearly it is not an island at all. It's a whole peice. I think this is one of the reasons i think R* did San andreas as a whole state. Because New york is made out of islands as is miami. LA or SF or LV are infact not. So Take it easy on whatsitmcalled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnia sunt Communia Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 That's a weak excuse. Miami is connected to the mainland, but Rockstar still managed to make it into a set of islands for Vice City. Same with New York City, Los Angeles, San Fransisco, Las Vegas and every other city they've produced. If the city is supposed to be based off Los Angeles it should at least look like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsydianRaven Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) Why would Niko Bellic be in Los Santos? I doubt he would travel to the other side of America to start a criminal empire with Little Jacob when by the end of GTA IV he clearly want out of the crime game. Not to mention the fact that in the time between GTA IV and this game: I doubt they would of been able to set up a gang the size of which you mentioned. The map you showed us doesn't really represent Los Angeles all that well. For a start Hollywood (Vinewood) isn't that big a part of Los Angeles (Los Santos). Maybe you should try basing your map on the actual location rather than throwing together three or four islands on paint and naming them after locations in San Andreas? That is what Los Angeles looks like. Notice it's distinct shape. Try transferring some of that into your game in order to add a little authenticity to the map. Another thing is, the gang names; did you just pull them off the top of your head or do they have meanings? Are they based on certain gangs in particular or did you just put what gangs you wanted to see in there, regardless of whether or not they operate in Los Angeles? Well, for starters, Little Jacob pressured Niko into coming to Los Santos, and Niko really doesn't do anything even though he is second in command. Also the Marina Valley Hillside Posse is very small but managed to get an alliance with the KSP because they can supply the KSP with weapons. Also I'll try to talk to Dragonex about the size of Vinewood (which I will change the name into Greater Vinewood). Also the islands are divided into districts based on actual disctricts/neighberhoods in LA and I'm still working on names for them. As for the gangs, the King Street Posse (KSP) are based on the Bloodz, the Bridge Street Gang are based on the Crips and the El Santos are based on the 38th Street Gang. The Marina Valley Hillside Posse are just made up, also the Marina Valley Triads are based on the 204th Street gang. Edited April 18, 2009 by sethpenguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 When I make the map I'll shrink Vinewood and rename it to Greater Vinewood. But I think seth should try to do what he wants with the map, because I'm not exactly sure how to renovate it the way he would want it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamanevilbastard Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Pretty good stuff. Dragonex has changed from the guy who posted something that went like "Teabagging (blah blah blah) running around (blah blah) WTF" in the sAN (caps) Andreas Chain Story. Blah represents stuff I can't recall. But seriously, good work. But are there any real life prominet Jamaican gangs in Los Angeles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Pretty good stuff. Dragonex has changed from the guy who posted something that went like "Teabagging (blah blah blah) running around (blah blah) WTF" in the sAN (caps) Andreas Chain Story. Blah represents stuff I can't recall. But seriously, good work. But are there any real life prominet Jamaican gangs in Los Angeles? I suppose I can take that as a compliment , I have changed, but I've learned things the hard way. So whats going to be up with the map? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsydianRaven Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 So whats going to be up with the map? Change Vinewood by making it smaller and having it's name changed to Greater Vinewood. Also it needs more detail. But are there any real life prominet Jamaican gangs in Los Angeles? Not sure but that's why I made them up aswell as pretty much most of the minor gangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 So whats going to be up with the map? Change Vinewood by making it smaller and having it's name changed to Greater Vinewood. Also it needs more detail. But are there any real life prominet Jamaican gangs in Los Angeles? Not sure but that's why I made them up aswell as pretty much most of the minor gangs. Detail's like roads and bridges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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