craig3000 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 this thread is screwed every body needs to face the facts We wouldn't be talking about this if GTA 4 was REALLY made from the ground up Good night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psymn321 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 If you simple minded retards cant understand that there are NO mods available for GTA4Online, simply due to the context of the implementation, then just carry on, and see how long decent players stick around when the servers are simply overrun by cheats and are crashing ever 60 seconds. If you cant accept that every single modification you use in an online game that isnt universal to all players is simply a cheat, then thats you major malfunction... I dont care if you are griefing or not, its still cheating to use non standard settings/apps, just as sure as it is cheating to use multi-hack in other games. As there are no modifications that apply to all players, anyone using such mods are by definition, a cheat, and i find it funny that so many of them cheat and feel the need to come here and profess their 'innocence'. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 ^ it's not an excuse. Why would people who design mods in their free time, and who spend hours making it work without crashing the game, have to worry about other people using their mods in MP, when the companies that actually make money out of the product, do absolutely nothing. Didn't say it's an excuse... it's just pretty stupid to call software developers and big companies names because some users like you and me can't really be arsed to act normally in a multiplayer game, where others would like to play normally. It's not like they implemented a standard MP system, have they? I have a hard time believing that anyone at R* found modding to be new in GTA. Come on, their previous games were modded to death and it only makes sense GTA IV was going to get the same treatment. R* and MS haven't done their homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig3000 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 All i can say is fail I haven't been able to play online for a good two months now anyway because it says my NAT is strict when it was perfectly fine before I hate the fact that this game is really fun but sucks at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvr2fst Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 "Modding is officialy back" ? Get it right people........ Cheaters are officialy back...or whatever. Learn the difference, then post. I dont like cheaters either....but I love modders. Unfortunately it takes modding to cheat. So be it. I am (have) been willing to give up multiplayer to use mods. If there is no cure for the cheater cancer by MS or Rockstar I will accept that because you would have to pull my mods from my cold dead keyboard. Without mods this game would already be dead for me. This game is played best in singleplayer w/mods anyways. At least for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Most of you guys don't even know what the hell modding is. Changing a few lines of text in code to spawn a car, change one car to another, make a car tougher or faster, make weapons apear where they shouldn't, etc= Cheating. Or just sucking at actually modding a game. Modding = Actually creating new material for the game using various graphics programs. New items such as vehicles, characters, weapons, map additions or new maps, etc. And on the extreme case, make entirely new games just using the source game engine. As far as I'm concerned, modding isn't possible for GTA4 yet. Hopefully the file formats can be fully figured out soon enough. Changing a few lines of text, or taking one geometry file and replacing it with another that is already in the system files to make you walk around with a severed head is not modding. It's kid stuff. And why do you want to play with these kinds of 'mods' in multiplayer anyway? If it does not give you an advantage, why would you want to use it? If it does give you an advantage, that's cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris1508 Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 A way around rockstars way of preventing modified files being used online has been bypassed so it wont be long until you find a Trainers being used... and then when assholes get hold of the trainer you wont have fun in any other game except freemode What is currently being used now are carspawners, rocketpistols, god mode (Very Few) What annoyed me is the rocket pistol not much fun when your being blown around the place and not able to get up is it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uxot Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 rocketpistol is SOOOO faking annoying...so useless...carspwner is usefull online since u have to run for and hour just to get an ugly fat car,player selector is fun to mess around like rp a cop and u can see some random strippers LOL but ffs rocketpistol people seriously go play some fps with rockets and abuse of them ..not in GTAIV "HEY LOOK AT ME I CAN SHOOTZ/SPAM ROCKETS IN DA AIR *PEW PEW PEW ABUSE W/E* WEEEE " -_-' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 (edited) Okay so modders are cool people...they improve many aspects of the game and makes it more fun in many ways. Then you have cheaters who use mods to ruin the multiplayer experience for others. But who makes these mods that the cheaters takes advantage of? It's of course the modders! I have to quote you on that. I am with you 100% in saying they are three different things. Gamers play games, cheaters play games therefor all gamers are cheaters ? I think not. ...Darn Pc Gamers are The only Cheaters..... Edited April 10, 2009 by TruXter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfTimer Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 (edited) Thanks to mod programmers this game lives and will live for a long time to come. R* will shut your servers very soon and if they don't, EA will. Actually it's not a joke... when EA eats R* (and that will happen soon), they'll make a financial report and decide your multiplayer is over. Modding is one of the very reasons the game is highly enjoyable and has a replay value. Edited April 10, 2009 by OutOfTimer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Again, we see another person who does not know what modding is.. Someone link him a wiki on the word "Cheater" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk Russian 9 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Can someone confirm whether or not GFWL has been handing out bans for modding/cheating? I heard someone saying 2/5 people they've reported got banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 If that was true, there would be crybaby threads about false bans, and CC would be locking them like crazy. And if I know him well enough, he would sticky the first one just for spite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamins0 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Can someone link me to the program that disables the filecheck? I'd really like to play MP with my performance-increasing mods enabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Can someone link me to the program that disables the filecheck? I'd really like to play MP with my performance-increasing mods enabled. Something Like This? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nietzsche's God Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 (edited) i never modded multiplayer action, just single player. i've modded games since i was 9 and its fun alrite. we dont ruin other peoples fun, thats the legit modders wanna bes that take the piss That statement about never modding in multiplayer but mod only in single player can never be consistently true or false, since once you have installed the updated modded file - let's say for the argument sake - rocket smg- then all there exist is a potential to cheat and disrupt players in multiplayer or to actually have done so. That is why modders can't be trusted by legitmate players who regularly play multiplayer. Edited April 11, 2009 by Nietzsche's God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfectpitch Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 You seem to have a personal problem with modders when you should be blaming rockstar!! You know what - you're f*cking right... I hate Rockstar for allowing this sh*t to go on... and their VERY WEAK attempts to stop it are piss poor. Having said that - all those f*cking modders ain't f*cking helping the multiplayer community. So in my opinion - Rockstar can go to hell for doing sweet, f*ck all to try and curb the problem and all the modders can f*cking die for abusing the multiplayer mode and not wanting an honest game... All those f*cking modders are just poor noob-ish bastards who couldn't make an honest kill if they have unlimited ammo and a guy who's had his arms amputated as an opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 A way around rockstars way of preventing modified files being used online has been bypassed so it wont be long until you find a Trainers being used... and then when assholes get hold of the trainer you wont have fun in any other game except freemode What is currently being used now are carspawners, rocketpistols, god mode (Very Few) What annoyed me is the rocket pistol not much fun when your being blown around the place and not able to get up is it... Trainers are not using the non modified files check, they are using the scripthook which hasn't been updated yet. There is an alternative scripthook out since Sunday, that works in MP as well, so there should already be trainers out for 1.0.3. In fact the one I have developed works in MP since last Sunday, but I haven't released it yet, and I am not sure whether I will release it with MP enabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardbug Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Have any of the hackers been banned yet ? or are they free to destroy GTA IV multiplayer without any risk ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollercoaster Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Okay so modders are cool people...they improve many aspects of the game and makes it more fun in many ways. Then you have cheaters who use mods to ruin the multiplayer experience for others. But who makes these mods that the cheaters takes advantage of? It's of course the modders! I have to quote you on that. I am with you 100% in saying they are three different things. Gamers play games, cheaters play games therefor all gamers are cheaters ? I think not. ...Darn Pc Gamers are The only Cheaters..... Okay so not all modders are cheaters, I think I get it. Some make good mods, but many also make cheats. These are the ones I don't like. You know what Rockstar SHOULD have done? They should have used Steam to distribute and handle the game, instead of crappy GFWL. Then maybe they could have implemented VAC...that woulda been fantastic for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 A way around rockstars way of preventing modified files being used online has been bypassed so it wont be long until you find a Trainers being used... and then when assholes get hold of the trainer you wont have fun in any other game except freemode What is currently being used now are carspawners, rocketpistols, god mode (Very Few) What annoyed me is the rocket pistol not much fun when your being blown around the place and not able to get up is it... Trainers are not using the non modified files check, they are using the scripthook which hasn't been updated yet. There is an alternative scripthook out since Sunday, that works in MP as well, so there should already be trainers out for 1.0.3. In fact the one I have developed works in MP since last Sunday, but I haven't released it yet, and I am not sure whether I will release it with MP enabled. So it's impossible to enable it only on free mode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 ^ no it should be possible to enable it for free mode, but that's also against the rules on this particular forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfTimer Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Neither Micro$oft nor R* will ever ban people cheating and the reason is people would get angry. They paid for the game. So, even if they want to use Rocket UZIs, it's their decision. The last thing Mico$oft wants is people coming to stores and wanting their money back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananajuice Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 its just silly, these soo called modders are just ruining this game. If they were truly mods, then I would have to install and run a seperate games that uses core code that the company releases. I should not be able to play these mods with others dont have them installed. As it is now, these soo called cheaters, i mean modders, change a few lines of code and I have to play w/ them without them installed. I couldnt care less if I have to installed a modded game and only could play with people with the same modded game. The company needs to fix this or this game is done for online action. I refuse to play and will return, again, when its fixed its a shame that these [email protected]#holes ruined a great game that ran fine from the start, for me at least. oh well Now losers, i mean modders, go spawn a dildo and f yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghett0 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 There's a difference between modders and 'cheaters'. Cheaters ruin everyone's fun, while modders mod to have more fun. There's a difference between a game with everyone modding and having glocket launcher wars and racing with modded handling and all that and some tard coming in a DM just to ruin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro_PT Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Neither Micro$oft nor R* will ever ban people cheating and the reason is people would get angry. They paid for the game. So, even if they want to use Rocket UZIs, it's their decision. The last thing Mico$oft wants is people coming to stores and wanting their money back. That's one of the most stupid things I've read around here. People paid for the game, but when they install, it they must agree to the license. I'm sure nobody reads that, but if you contact either Rockstar or Microsoft saying you want your money back because you were banned, they will throw you that info, and you will shut up because you agreed. It's written that cheating is not allowed, and to use the software you must agree with that. I remember that a few years ago Microsoft banned a lot of accounts because they were cheaters. This calmed players down, and since then you see almost no cheating on Xbox 360. Lots of players saw their accounts banned and their serials... to play again they had to buy a new game. I just wish the GFWL team would do the same. It's a shame that they don't give a f*ck about the reporting system... Rockstar also doesn't do a thing, because their learderboards are crawling with cheated records, and they don't even clean that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris1508 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 Is punkbuster capable of supporting gta 4 multiplayer? If they are rockstar could hand it over to them in v1.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 You do not want punk buster. It's garbage. It will be two minutes after teh first install before we see a thread in the forums saying"WTF!!!! I HAVE TIO INSTALL ANOTHER BACKGROUND PROCESS????" See the console kids and the pc newbs have no idea what they are getting into when they jump into pc gaming. So they wine and complain about every damn thing. It's easy to mistake them for regular pc gamers, while in a forum. Simply because they have to have a pc to get into the forum. but the way they act is pretty obvious. Like they refuse to accept modding as something other than cheating. Either it's because it's fun to flame pc gamers and stress us because well, they think we have a superiority complex. Or because they are just dill holes trying to 4chan. Don't get me wrong, There are legit issues, but there are tons bs idiots harping on closed or resolved issues. modding = modifying software or hardware. cheating= being an ass and upsetting everyone with some unfair advantage. Kinda like flaming threads under an assumed account to troll and upset everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfectpitch Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Neither Micro$oft nor R* will ever ban people cheating and the reason is people would get angry. They paid for the game. So, even if they want to use Rocket UZIs, it's their decision. The last thing Mico$oft wants is people coming to stores and wanting their money back. Oh yeah??? Well does that mean that the people who don't cheat deserve a refund since they can't play multiplayer??? i want my f*cking money back because I sure as sh*t didn't pay $100 if I can't play a fair legit game of multiplayer. Rockstar f*cking owe it to us... they created a game and they should do everything to keep the game legit and multi-player mod free. It's like Valves anti-cheat system - Never come across a game where people have cheated - and thats the way multi-player should f*cking well be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmateinc Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 yeah modding brings so much more to the game that hardly anyone is online anymore :@ was nice for a couple of weeks to be able to enjoy yourself now it's back to the same ol' guess ill just keep reporting(like that does anything) in hope that rockstar will do somethin about abunch of kids f*cken with there offically Mutli. There is no exucse or justification of modding, this is not your game it is rockstars and they say NO MODS. so that should be that, but you got abunch of little kids who simple won;t play by the rules then try to justify it, man i hope they start banning game serials. Thanks for ruining mutli once again cheaters, looks like its back to sa-mp till they figure this out! assholes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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