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Creationism or Evolution?

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brewhead17

Frankly anyone over the age 7 who thinks Creationism is a plausible theory about the origins of life, despite the fact that there is absolutely no scientific evidence to back any of it up, need their heads checking.

 

 

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Frankly anyone over the age 7 who thinks Creationism is a plausible theory about the origins of life, despite the fact that there is absolutely no scientific evidence to back any of it up, need their heads checking.

True, there is literally no evidence that proves creationism in any way but mountains of evidence that proves evolution.

 

Also, in my opinion, when comparing creationism to science it should be:

 

Creationism - Evolution + Big Bang Theory

 

That's because creationism is the biblical origins of life and the universe isn't it?

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Also, in my opinion, when comparing creationism to science it should be:

 

Creationism - Evolution + Big Bang Theory

 

That's because creationism is the biblical origins of life and the universe isn't it?

 

Not directly talking to you, though you bring up a really important point that I cannot stress enough (and one that I have said ad nauseam).

 

You can't compare creationism and evolution by two ways:

 

1. Creationism is the creation of life from a biblical/religious stand point. Evolution is actually the diversity of life after life has been created. So the point of this thread is pointless, really, as these two fall into completely different concepts. What would be better is "Creationism and abiogenesis", abiogenesis being the creation of life from a scientific stand point.

 

2. The fact that people actually compare a scientific discovery that has mountains of evidence for it, to creationism, which is nothing but baseless assertions is insulting. If creationism were to be put through scientific method, it would fall flat immediately. Creationists really need to stop bringing science down to religion's level because what we're talking about is at two different levels.

 

Also, don't quote me on this one, I think that by "creationism", creationists actually refer to the creation of Adam and Eve, not the actual creation of the universe (as in outer space etc.)

 

Though it depends on what religion you're specifically talking about. I assume all of us are talking about creationism from the Bible. There are other religions where the gods had created a universe first.

 

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Playstation_Loyalist

Still alive and kickin', eh?

 

Evolution is fact. Even it is STILL a theory (for Pete's sake!), resources and evidences are abundant. Answers everything... from the beginning to the plausible end...

 

...and why trust the Bible? Passed to so many hands during it's thousand year journey to the church means that it has been modified, changed,, and BS'ed... so that sucks for Christians and Catholics alike...

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Akavari

I believe in evolution but that is an easy winner since it has evidence and proof. Creationism and most religion only exists to justify what we can't prove with science or comprehend with our limited human intelligence, like "something" produced from nothing, or an infinite universe. I guess there could be some form of creationism to explain why anything exists at all. I mean really what reason would there be for this universe/reality to exist at all?

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Tyler

Sadly creationism is very unlikely even to most christian folks.

 

BUT there is 'hope' (Like what I did there).

 

 

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leeg1931

There is just as much evidence against evolution as there is for it so for it to be suddenly accepted as fact without being totally 100% proven is braindead and hypocracy.

I actually feel sorry for the atheist as it's a very depressing belief system. No life after death? No punishment for right or wrong deeds?

Well let's look at it this way. If you are right and the is no Inteligent Designer and there are no punishments for wrong deeds then that'll be the end of it... But if I'm right and there is a God and there are punishments for not accepting him then that's a totally different matter. I'm sure you know what I mean.

 

I hope this video helps you:

 

 

 

People often come and try to challenge my faith. They ask me questions like "What proof is there of a God" I simply reply that I don't know Jesus said not to put your God to the test so well as instructed I don't look for any "proof" of God and you want proof you'll have to find it yourself 'cause I'm not giving it to you just bear in mind what I say...

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General Goose

Creationism pretty much certainly didn't happen.

 

Regarding religion itself, I'll brief, I'm an agnostic. I see no way a God is scientifically possible, at least in the form we think of, yet I find the concept of no-afterlife extremely depressing and I can't see how the universe just appeared.

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WF the Hobgoblin

While I'm not completely against the idea of a higher power, I do believe in the theory of evolution.

 

As for religion, bullsh*t. Religion is all about power and control.

 

I also believe there is no after life, although i kind of hope I'm wrong.

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Playstation_Loyalist

Just for the record, I don't believe on how the way the bible states Creation...

 

...but from scientific research, I will certainly believe in Creationism AND Evolution without the interference/involvement of the Bible.

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Akavari

People just diss atheism because they associate it with pessimism, but that's not what it is. We perceived the universe from a neutral perspective and sided with science because it makes more sense, not because we want to be depressed. You believe in afterlife merely because you are scared and don't want to believe otherwise, not because it is plausible. Same thing with judgment. The whole concept is derived merely from our human conscience. How can you judge people with heaven and hell, black and white, when we all live in the gray? The idea of right and wrong is just a perspective, it isn't valid.

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leeg1931

 

People just diss atheism because they associate it with pessimism, but that's not what it is. We perceived the universe from a neutral perspective and sided with science because it makes more sense, not because we want to be depressed. You believe in afterlife merely because you are scared and don't want to believe otherwise, not because it is plausible. Same thing with judgment. The whole concept is derived merely from our human conscience. How can you judge people with heaven and hell, black and white, when we all live in the gray? The idea of right and wrong is just a perspective, it isn't valid.

You think of Evolution as plausable, Scientific and I'm guessing from your choice in language as "fact" but in reality it can't really be called fact or scientific when if one where to ask an evolutionist for proof of it they put a Rock, a sponge, a worm, a fish, an anphibian, a reptile, a rat, a lemur, a chimpanzee, and finially a man in front of you. Then they would say "Can't you see the similarities!" Now in what way is this a "scientific" conclusion? It is not. It is merely a childish guess.

I will concede that they do look similar but used in a different way I could say that they were always that one creature, created by an inteligent designer simply by using common building blocks.

By saying "They look similar so they must have came from each other," I could reply that both a DVD and an Xbox game look similar so one must have randomly generated from the other. Of course that's not true they used by a designer in similar ways in order to create two seperate things from common building blocks.

 

Evolution is a theory. It never was, isn't and will never will be fact.

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General Goose
You think of Evolution as plausable, Scientific and I'm guessing from your choice in language as "fact" but in reality it can't really be called fact or scientific when if one where to ask an evolutionist for proof of it they put a Rock, a sponge, a worm, a fish, an anphibian, a reptile, a rat, a lemur, a chimpanzee, and finially a man in front of you. Then they would say "Can't you see the similarities!" Now in what way is this a "scientific" conclusion? It is not. It is merely a childish guess.

*facepalm*

 

First of, no scientist would ever do that. I mean, a rock? You just made your argument look immature and ignorant.

 

Secondly, there is evidence. Years of archaeological evidence showing how new species came and old species went, showing how some species slowly adapted and changed, how some primates began to walk on two feet and use more advanced tools, and finally developing into modern homo sapiens. Evidence made today, showing how genes and stronger characteristics are passed down through both plants and animals. Look at how quickly some micro-organisms and germs mutate; it's a small-scale version of evolution.

 

Unless God planted all this fake evidence like bones and scientific research to give people a reason NOT to believe in Him, I think the evidence speaks for itself. Will you next be telling us Earth has only existed for a few thousand, at most a few hundred thousand years?

 

The intelligent design theory, I disagree with. The whole "monkeys at a typewriter will eventually produce Shakespeare if given infinite time" shows it is not a good argument. I guess the universe just happened. Don't know how, but it just did.

 

OR

 

If God does exist as an intelligent, santient, omnipresent being like you suggest, and I accept is a plausible possibility and no less "unscientific" like a whole universe suddenly appearing from nothing, then how does this mean evolution is false? As I said earlier, He could have just made the whole rules of the universe, like gravity and evolution, sat back and observed, interfering minimally if it all.

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Akavari

I don't like the question this thread presents, because creationism spans very far and evolution only really applies to living organisms on earth. It should've been Creationism or Big Bang Theory or something along those lines... jussayin tounge2.gif

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Playstation_Loyalist

 

I don't like the question this thread presents, because creationism spans very far and evolution only really applies to living organisms on earth. It should've been Creationism or Big Bang Theory or something along those lines... jussayin  tounge2.gif

Yeah, you're right. The TS should have made a Creationism vs. the Big Bang Theory instead of this one because Evolution just means "the mutation of a gene of a certain parameter of specie over a long period of time".

 

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You think of Evolution as plausable, Scientific and I'm guessing from your choice in language as "fact" but in reality it can't really be called fact or scientific when if one where to ask an evolutionist for proof of it they put a Rock, a sponge, a worm, a fish, an anphibian, a reptile, a rat, a lemur, a chimpanzee, and finially a man in front of you. Then they would say "Can't you see the similarities!" Now in what way is this a "scientific" conclusion? It is not. It is merely a childish guess.

I will concede that they do look similar but used in a different way I could say that they were always that one creature, created by an inteligent designer simply by using common building blocks.

By saying "They look similar so they must have came from each other," I could reply that both a DVD and an Xbox game look similar so one must have randomly generated from the other. Of course that's not true they used by a designer in similar ways in order to create two seperate things from common building blocks.

 

Evolution is a theory. It never was, isn't and will never will be fact.

 

This is stupid. Why would you present a NON-LIVING thing as the predecessor of today's humans? And why would you compare NON-LIVING things to LIVING things if those non-living things don't even move by themselves? You made your argument a "ready-to-throw-at-the-trash-bin" retaliation.

 

And Evolution not fact? Then be it, but it has EVIDENCES and PROOFS. Even Creation is a damn THEORY.

 

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And Evolution not fact? Then be it, but it has EVIDENCES and PROOFS. Even Creation is a damn THEORY.

I wouldn't regard creationism as a theory. There's no testable hypothesis, it doesn't make any attempt to explain anything. Saying god an intelligence (ie, god) did it over and over again is nothing but a crutch for those so mentally enfeebled they cannot comprehend basic scientific concepts.

 

That things evolve is a demonstrable fact, just as it is a fact that unsupported objects fall to the ground. Evolution through natural selection is a theory used to explain how evolution occurs.

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Clem Fandango
I mean, a rock?

This is the worst post I have ever read. I mean, you're right, so I'm playing devil's advocate here, but that stuff was clearly hyperbole.

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General Goose
I mean, a rock?

This is the worst post I have ever read. I mean, you're right, so I'm playing devil's advocate here, but that stuff was clearly hyperbole.

How is it the worst post ever?

 

It may have been hyperbole, but seeing as he had a very weak argument and had no evidence. And this is the internet. Sometimes it's hard to tell sarcasm from ignorance.

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leeg1931
You think of Evolution as plausable, Scientific and I'm guessing from your choice in language as "fact" but in reality it can't really be called fact or scientific when if one where to ask an evolutionist for proof of it they put a Rock, a sponge, a worm, a fish, an anphibian, a reptile, a rat, a lemur, a chimpanzee, and finially a man in front of you. Then they would say "Can't you see the similarities!" Now in what way is this a "scientific" conclusion? It is not. It is merely a childish guess.

*facepalm*

 

First of, no scientist would ever do that. I mean, a rock? You just made your argument look immature and ignorant.

Sorry dude but that's what happens. A sponge was the first living organism, apparently, and it came from a non-living organism. According to evolutionists the only thing around before life was ROCKS. Now the sponge obviously evolved from a rock since it was the only thing around. The rest I've allready stated.

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General Goose
You think of Evolution as plausable, Scientific and I'm guessing from your choice in language as "fact" but in reality it can't really be called fact or scientific when if one where to ask an evolutionist for proof of it they put a Rock, a sponge, a worm, a fish, an anphibian, a reptile, a rat, a lemur, a chimpanzee, and finially a man in front of you. Then they would say "Can't you see the similarities!" Now in what way is this a "scientific" conclusion? It is not. It is merely a childish guess.

*facepalm*

 

First of, no scientist would ever do that. I mean, a rock? You just made your argument look immature and ignorant.

Sorry dude but that's what happens. A sponge was the first living organism, apparently, and it came from a non-living organism. According to evolutionists the only thing around before life was ROCKS. Now the sponge obviously evolved from a rock since it was the only thing around. The rest I've allready stated.

See, it weren't a hyperbole!

 

Actually, the first living organisms were bacterium, apparently. Don't ask me where they came from. I don't know. I'm not a scientist. All I know is that your argument is incredibly stupid and ignores any evidence that goes against it. No life could have "evolved" from rocks. The chain of evolution starts with bacterium.

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nlitement
You think of Evolution as plausable, Scientific and I'm guessing from your choice in language as "fact" but in reality it can't really be called fact or scientific when if one where to ask an evolutionist for proof of it they put a Rock, a sponge, a worm, a fish, an anphibian, a reptile, a rat, a lemur, a chimpanzee, and finially a man in front of you. Then they would say "Can't you see the similarities!" Now in what way is this a "scientific" conclusion? It is not. It is merely a childish guess.

*facepalm*

 

First of, no scientist would ever do that. I mean, a rock? You just made your argument look immature and ignorant.

Sorry dude but that's what happens. A sponge was the first living organism, apparently, and it came from a non-living organism. According to evolutionists the only thing around before life was ROCKS. Now the sponge obviously evolved from a rock since it was the only thing around. The rest I've allready stated.

Next time, just to avoid looking extremely stupid and to stay away from that old creationist straw man, keep in mind that abiogenesis is not part of evolution.

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leeg1931

 

You think of Evolution as plausable, Scientific and I'm guessing from your choice in language as "fact" but in reality it can't really be called fact or scientific when if one where to ask an evolutionist for proof of it they put a Rock, a sponge, a worm, a fish, an anphibian, a reptile, a rat, a lemur, a chimpanzee, and finially a man in front of you. Then they would say "Can't you see the similarities!" Now in what way is this a "scientific" conclusion? It is not. It is merely a childish guess.

*facepalm*

 

First of, no scientist would ever do that. I mean, a rock? You just made your argument look immature and ignorant.

Sorry dude but that's what happens. A sponge was the first living organism, apparently, and it came from a non-living organism. According to evolutionists the only thing around before life was ROCKS. Now the sponge obviously evolved from a rock since it was the only thing around. The rest I've allready stated.

See, it weren't a hyperbole!

 

Actually, the first living organisms were bacterium, apparently. Don't ask me where they came from. I don't know. I'm not a scientist. All I know is that your argument is incredibly stupid and ignores any evidence that goes against it. No life could have "evolved" from rocks. The chain of evolution starts with bacterium.

A single-celled organism. The first multi-celled organism was a sponge. So in a way I could say that I'm related to Sponge-Bob Square Pants. Right....

 

And yes Creationism is a theory and so is Evolution niether can be proven or disproven. It's a basis of choice.

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General Goose
And yes Creationism is a theory and so is Evolution niether can be proven or disproven. It's a basis of choice.

If you provide any real proof for creationism, or even any serious disproof for evolution, then I may reconsider. Until then, I am of the view evolution is true and humanity and whatnot did not just appear.

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Akavari

Evolution is taught in all our schools, it must be doing something right suicidal.gif

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leeg1931

 

And yes Creationism is a theory and so is Evolution niether can be proven or disproven. It's a basis of choice.

If you provide any real proof for creationism, or even any serious disproof for evolution, then I may reconsider. Until then, I am of the view evolution is true and humanity and whatnot did not just appear.

I'm repeating myself here: After the second temptation of Christ he said to Satan that you shall not put your God to the test. So I will not provide you with any evidence because the I would be a hypocrite. If you want proof look elsewhere, Ok?

 

@ akavari112- Christianity is also taught in schools and it's been done so for a damn sight longer that Evolution has. suicidal.gif

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General Goose

Well, you can't back up your theories due to your religious beliefs, and there is plenty of evidence for mine.

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BlueCheer

you shall not put your god to the test? interesting...ignorance is bliss i suppose

 

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Ph3L1z14n0

 

I'm repeating myself here: After the second temptation of Christ he said to Satan that you shall not put your God to the test. So I will not provide you with any evidence because the I would be a hypocrite. If you want proof look elsewhere, Ok?

Well, that is certainly a way of chickening out of a discussion.

 

We could go the K^2 way, and say that creationism is a belief, and therefore requires no proof at all, that alone would kill this discussion.

 

But if a creationist wants to put his beliefs on par with evolution, then THEY DO have to bring proof to the table.

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General Goose

I don't think creationism, at least when opposed to evolution, can function as a belief any longer, as evolution has pretty much been proved as fact. It's a way of explaining something that we now have a sufficient explanation for. Now, we cannot disprove the theory or belief that God or some other higher being is responsible for our existence, and while that answers several questions, it raises several more.

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Ph3L1z14n0
as evolution has pretty much been proved as fact.

I would be careful with that, I have to do some homework, but last I checked it was still a theory.

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