Worst Aspect of GTA 4

[J0EBUSHID0]

J0EBUSHID0 don't triple post, if you have further things you want to say and no one has replied then use the EDIT feature.

yes Mom

[Drunk Russian 9]

 

I have never modded GTA, I find there is more than enough entertainment in the vanilla version of GTA to not bother.  I will never modify GTA 4 because even after 4 months I am still having tons of fun with it.  So I really couldn't give a stuff about modders being blocked, if anything I actually welcome it since they seem to be behaving like arseholes at the moment and doing their damndest to destroy multiplayer.

Let's put things into perspective here. Currently with the new patch, I can't even mod single player. Not to mention if I reinstall the game and install Patch 2 instead of Patch 3, I still can't mod. So basically, I'm f*cked, just because these "arseholes" decided to f*ck around on MP.

 

I also can't understand how you can play 4 months with this game without getting bored. Personally, when I installed Patch 3, a week later I stopped playing it because it was too damn boring to play without mods. MP and SP. Modding would keep this game alive for longer than 4 months though . . . it would be like SA if it was ported correctly. Too bad R* went for the easiest solution available.

[ParoXum]

I just wanted to speak, as a modder (someone who creates the Mods; not as a cheater since here the amalgam is now of common use), modders dont really give a s*it about opinions like CC ones (and others). But it's still an offence to a very large part of this community to consider what some spend years making are pieces of crap and bug mountains.

 

I'll add this as a modder : I dont give a f*ck what the modding haters can say about it since modders are not doing their stuff primarily for people, but for themselves first. Modding is a self satisfaction and the public come in second place.

 

Anyway the current modding we have access to IV is such of a low level artistically, that there's no such discussion. Atm the only type of mods that are out are poor texture mods and Cheat Scripts. Which I believe doesn't represent a cent of what a good Mod is(IE: Maps, TCs, Missions mods).

 

To speak as a gamer I voted dedicated server. Any modern game has at least one. Also GFWL is useless and the game might have worked the same or better without. If you guys want a game that support modding, go buy UT3 and learn what proper modding is.

 

 

Just my cents.

[CharmingCharlie]

Shall I tell you something ParoXum a lot of GTA gamers couldn't give a sh*t about modders opinions since they seem hell bent finding ways to cheat in multi player thus ruining the game for those that want to play GTA 4 as it is MEANT to be played. This is all beside the point really. Just be aware a lot of people really couldn't give a stuff about mods hence the option "excluding modders" isn't exactly a big thing for them.

 

Oh and Drunk Russian 9 if you are bored of GTA 4 already then it is probably safe to say that GTA 4 isn't a game for you. I still play non-stop every day. I do a bit of MP and right now I am working through SP again now that I can play on mostly high settings. I will admit it probably doesn't have the life span of GTA SA (again a game I played UNMODDED) but hopefully it should last me long enough till the next GTA comes around.

[elBATCHo]

Worst aspect IMO is CPU dependant, no other game I have uses the CPU this much nor depends on it, every game I have that I play at this resolution puts almost all of the load on the GPU. Some poor coding on GTA4

 

And i dont care for Windows live etc, I use Xliveless and the No Intro mod.

[Rapter]

I voted in my opinion that the game is absoultley fine the way it is, I've had a few problems with my AMD system, and with my other 2 setups, so i sold them all and bought an Intel Core i7 setup and I've had no problems, i think the game doesn't need mods to make it more interesting, and it's kind of a dissapointment that it's missing so much stuff that was in SA, but atleast Rockstar® did their best in making this game more realistic and for us to enjoy more, i personally don't need mods or any trainer to assist me, i happily enjoy jumping of ramps and buildings and doing stunts, maybe destroying the cops, i think they've improved GTA so much in IV and most of you are still complaining?

 

the people who don't complain actually appreaciate what Rockstar® has done, i give you my respect.

 

- Cheers

[medfreak]

 

Why the hell can't I have an opinion about mods ?  I don't need to try ENB series, I can see what people think about it to know that it causes massive problems and puts me off from ever touching it.  I don't know what it is about people that support modding it's like some kind of religion and if you speak out against modding you get burnt at the stake for heresy.

 

Now at the end of the day if you want to mod your game that is entirely up to you and I am not going to say anything about that.  However MY personal opinion is I couldn't give a flying f*ck about mods which is why the "No support for modders" really isn't of any concern to me.

 

I have never modded GTA, I find there is more than enough entertainment in the vanilla version of GTA to not bother.  I will never modify GTA 4 because even after 4 months I am still having tons of fun with it.  So I really couldn't give a stuff about modders being blocked, if anything I actually welcome it since they seem to be behaving like arseholes at the moment and doing their damndest to destroy multiplayer.

A) There is a difference between having an opinion about mods, and having a selfish and dickish attitude towards it. Sure you can have an opinion where you dislike the use of mods, but being a total tool towards it with the "cry me a river" attitude could draw criticism. If you have any idea what official support to mods could do to a game, you would have noticed the enormous improvements made to games like Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Never Winter Nights, NWN 2, Half Life, freespace and many others. Some of the mods to those had better quality than most commercial games out there. The reason why many mods for GTA IV don't look that interesting, is due to the fact that modders had to work their way from scratch. IF it had the official support with a mod kit availabe from Rockstar, you'd find your interest in GTA IV grow from 4 months to years and beyond.

 

Let me put it this way. If you can have the option to add more, while maintaining the vanilla version if you wish to do so, why won't you want to take it? Mods are the first to bring multiplayer to the GTA series for crying out loud.

 

B) Using Mods to cheat /= Mods. PERIOD. Trying to link between both is naive at best and outright fanboyish at worst. The reason cheats exist is twofold:

 

1. Rockstar [email protected] up in the Anti-Cheat department: THUS THE GAME IS NOT FINE yet.

2. People will ALWAYS cheat if they are able to. Hell you would find a crap load of cheaters on CounterStrike if they had the chance to. They don't because good dedicated servers have admins banning them in milliseconds.

 

Mods exist in a sh*tload of other games with multiplayer. You don't see cheaters in those games on every corner. That is because the creaters DID NOT [email protected] up creating an Anti-Cheat system.

 

What it comes down to, is that no matter how you spin it, GTA IV was never fine, and so far it is not but is improving slowly with patches.

 

@ParoXum

 

Don't worry about CC, we appreciate any effort you put into mods and keep em coming. CC just started the "Game is fine" thread and wanted to defend it on all fronts no matter how silly it made him look. One of the biggest advantages of any PC game over its Console version is modding, and it will continue to be so in GTA IV despite Rockstar's anti-modding stance.

Edited April 4, 2009 by medfreak

[spaceeinstein]

The only thing I don't like is the minimum requirement is somewhat high. I wish in every PC games there are options to turn down some graphics to work on a poor PC so the casual players who own 5-year-old rigs can still somewhat play, even if it means great loss in graphical quality. The third patch was good on this so I'm hoping for more. Other than that, nothing funky happened so far so I'm pleased with this game.

[johnisme]

pc specs to high with wat I have still sucks cuz now I have to upgrade my g card now with all the freakin patches and messin with everything, this game is a money monster to play it on nice settings and without the fps dropping lower than 20

I had to replace my 8600gts a year ago cause i could only play newer games on low settings,you gotta upgrade or get stuck behind,i'm gonna upgrade my video card again to keep up with the more demanding games coming out,if we wanted things to be playable for older hardware we would still be catering to windows 95 users.No problems for me playing GTA IV.

 

[Isonis]

Games for Windows Live is stupid. It doesn't let me chat in multiplayer as i don't have 'sufficient network privalges.'

[Graven]

I want to add maybe the most annoying aspect. It is the chip in Niko´s brains.

You can´t kill without cops being alerted. Not even stab in the darkest side alley...

This is because when Niko arrived, Bush was a president.

Niko has a chip in his brains that activates and contacts LCPD when he does something evol.

Very very very high tech, developed in area 69 by CIA in co-op with space aliens. UN and G7 are part of it also of course.

 

I got my chip removed by a local doctor who found it when I was in my 6th lobotomy surgeon. (still stabbing when I have hyper-active strokes)

The chipping was stopped by Obama, You can safely visit US now. Contact your doctor if You visited US in Bush era.

 

 

This is not a yoke. The real massage can be read in between the lines. Sorry about the cryptology, it´s because of NSA and KGB.

 

 

Butt in the end the amount of good asspects make all those tiny bugs unnoticeable.

 

Edited April 4, 2009 by Graven

[neilthecellist]

I want to add maybe the most annoying aspect. It is the chip in Niko´s brains.

You can´t kill without cops being alerted. Not even stab in the darkest side alley...

This is because when Niko arrived, Bush was a president.

Niko has a chip in his brains that activates and contacts LCPD when he does something evol.

Very very very high tech, developed in area 69 by CIA in co-op with space aliens. UN and G7 are part of it also of course.

 

I got my chip removed by a local doctor who found it when I was in my 6th lobotomy surgeon. (still stabbing when I have hyper-active strokes)

The chipping was stopped by Obama, You can safely visit US now. Contact your doctor if You visited US in Bush era.

 

 

This is not a yoke. The real massage can be read in between the lines. Sorry about the cryptology, it´s because of NSA and KGB.

 

 

Butt in the end the amount of good asspects make all those tiny bugs unnoticeable.

 

LOL! Nice post.

[Drunk Russian 9]

 

Oh and Drunk Russian 9 if you are bored of GTA 4 already then it is probably safe to say that GTA 4 isn't a game for you.  I still play non-stop every day.  I do a bit of MP and right now I am working through SP again now that I can play on mostly high settings.  I will admit it probably doesn't have the life span of GTA SA (again a game I played UNMODDED) but hopefully it should last me long enough till the next GTA comes around.

I'm sure GTA IV isn't the game for me. I mean, it's not like I waited 3 years for it and spent $800 on a new PC for this game.

 

I could care less how many times you play through SP and how long you play MP. I bought GTA IV for one reason only; to mod. Many others did the same. Do you really want to start a poll on who mods GTA IV? I'm sure you'll find yourself outnumbered, like in this thread . . . it doesn't matter though. You have to stop thinking about yourself. YOU don't represent the community. And being a mod doesn't give you the right to be a dick about everything.

 

And about that comment to Paroxum; I'm sure you have no idea how much work he put into a mod for SA. Voted Mod of the Year and everything. Years working on it. I'm sure to you he was just another "cheating noob".

Edited April 5, 2009 by Drunk Russian 9

[CharmingCharlie]

Well since you are obviously "bored" with the game then GTA 4 isn't the game for you now is it. It doesn't matter that you waited 3 bloody years or spent $800 on your PC, you clearly stated you have had enough of GTA 4 which would lead people to think "hm perhaps this isn't the game for him".

 

Good for you that you bought the game to mod, thousands of others DIDN'T they bought the game to erm well as funny as this sounds "play" it. I know it's a silly little thing these days but believe it or not people actually PLAY games, they don't immediately rip them apart and butcher them all in the name of the almighty "modding".

 

The VAST majority can actually run this game fine, yet all we ever hear is the loud mouthed minority bitching and moaning. As for me thinking for myself ohhh maybe it's because I am an individual and I am allowed to express my opinion on this site. Yet again you throw the "mod" thing at me, just because I am a moderator does not mean I cannot express my views or opinions on this site.

 

As for what I said about Paroxum meh he apparently didn't give a "sh*t" about my opinion so why should I give a "sh*t" about his ?. Do I care that he did a mod for SA ? erm nope. Do I care that it was voted mod of the year ? erm nope. Do I care he spent years working on it ? erm I think that is a nope again, that was his choice. I don't do modding so what ever Paroxum does is his business.

 

At the end of the day all I see in this thread is the usual attacking of people that say GTA 4 is fine, this topic has become nothing but a haven for trolls. Might I remind you this is a GTA 4 FAN FORUM and if you are so unhappy with GTA 4 then please feel free to go back to the GTA SA section or the modding section since you seem to be such a fan of modding.

[zmoonchild]

 

I know it's a silly little thing these days but believe it or not people actually PLAY games, they don't immediately rip them apart and butcher them all in the name of the almighty "modding".

LOL… modding is not “ripping games apart” or “butchering” them; you’re just using those terms to downplay it, and make it sound like it’s something that’s evil or bad.

I’m pretty sure that a lot of people in the GTAF modding forums would highly disagree with you… that’s just my opinion.

 

Also, Rockstar has encouraged modding in the past, and that’s a fact… do you want proof?

Well, here it is:

They encouraged it in GTA3 by allowing you to swap/edit Claude's texture.

 

And there's also this...

 

http://www.rockstargames.com/vicecity/pc/ (Webring)

 

"You know where to go for all those unofficial mods, skins..."

 

 

http://www.rockstargames.com/sanandreas/pc/ (Webring)

 

"For more information... including mods, skins..."

 

 

http://www.rockstargames.com/sanandreas/pc/ (Info -> Overview)

 

"…fully optimized for the PC platform featuring polished and enhanced graphics, visual effects, soundtrack capabilities, instant replay, player mod support and more"

 

http://www.rockstargames.com/sanandreas/pc/ (Info -> Features)

 

"Player modification support, giving PC gamers the opportunity to create their own world within San Andreas."

 

 

The VAST majority can actually run this game fine, yet all we ever hear is the loud mouthed minority bitching and moaning.

Oh, here we go with the bad words again…People are “bitching” and “moaning” ? Is that another way of downplaying their legitimate concerns? I have read comments on this forum where people have been, shall we say, not discrete when describing there technical problems with GTA IV PC, but to say that everyone is "loud mouthed" and “bitching” and “moaning”, that’s not right… you’re just trying to make your opinion sound stronger by using those terms; I would think that people that have legitimate problems in both the Troubleshooting and PC forums would find that somewhat insulting.

 

And where did you get your information that the “VAST majority” can run this game fine? just curious… is that your opinion? I’m only asking a question; I’m not arguing your claim… I just want to know where you got it from, that’s all.

Edited April 5, 2009 by zmoonchild

[neilthecellist]

 

Well since you are obviously "bored" with the game then GTA 4 isn't the game for you now is it.  It doesn't matter that you waited 3 bloody years or spent $800 on your PC, you clearly stated you have had enough of GTA 4 which would lead people to think "hm perhaps this isn't the game for him".

 

Good for you that you bought the game to mod, thousands of others DIDN'T they bought the game to erm well as funny as this sounds "play" it.  I know it's a silly little thing these days but believe it or not people actually PLAY games, they don't immediately rip them apart and butcher them all in the name of the almighty "modding".

 

The VAST majority can actually run this game fine, yet all we ever hear is the loud mouthed minority bitching and moaning.  As for me thinking for myself ohhh maybe it's because I am an individual and I am allowed to express my opinion on this site.  Yet again you throw the "mod" thing at me, just because I am a moderator does not mean I cannot express my views or opinions on this site.

 

As for what I said about Paroxum meh he apparently didn't give a "sh*t" about my opinion so why should I give a "sh*t" about his ?.  Do I care that he did a mod for SA ? erm nope.  Do I care that it was voted mod of the year ? erm nope.  Do I care he spent years working on it ? erm I think that is a nope again, that was his choice.  I don't do modding so what ever Paroxum does is his business. 

 

At the end of the day all I see in this thread is the usual attacking of people that say GTA 4 is fine, this topic has become nothing but a haven for trolls.  Might I remind you this is a GTA 4 FAN FORUM and if you are so unhappy with GTA 4 then please feel free to go back to the GTA SA section or the modding section since you seem to be such a fan of modding.

You are a very angry moderator. :-\

 

Whether or not you care, many mods are made for many games. If you look on NaliCity for UT2004, you can see THOUSANDS of maps. Granted, some of these maps aren't too great. But for reference, check out UCMP (Unreal Community Map Pack) for UT2004. You can see that many well-made maps AND mods were made, and many of the users (i.e. Sjosz and ArcadiaVincennes) ended up getting HIRED by game companies (NOT EpicGames) to do map making and programming down the career path.

 

UT3 saw something similar. The Community Bonus Pack is filled with custom-made content. Scripts and so forth were all released at some point... Even for PS3! (God forbid, modding on a CONSOLE?!)

 

As far as the focus of this thread's subpoint, regarding GTA, the previous poster has a point - GTA has long been a supporter of mods in itself by the hands of Rockstar. It's almost expected, even encouraged, by Rockstar, to have its gamers make mods out of its titles. Whether or not you realize it, it was a big shocker for most of us when GTA IV came out that the game had virtually little to no modding capability at first. Hell, you see it for yourself! All the threads in this forum regarding the inability to mod version 1.0.3.0... You can't just pretend that doesn't exist -- The problem is there, and it's VERY real.

 

For a moderator, I would've expected you to be a little more pragmatic in your diplomacy. I can assure you that in our early days here on GTAForums that that was the case. You sound like you're on a power-hungry trip to express your distaste and anger for something that other people seem to partake and enjoy -- Why you're getting so worked up about it intrigues me.

Edited April 5, 2009 by neilthecellist

[medfreak]

 

Well since you are obviously "bored" with the game then GTA 4 isn't the game for you now is it.  It doesn't matter that you waited 3 bloody years or spent $800 on your PC, you clearly stated you have had enough of GTA 4 which would lead people to think "hm perhaps this isn't the game for him".

 

Good for you that you bought the game to mod, thousands of others DIDN'T they bought the game to erm well as funny as this sounds "play" it.  I know it's a silly little thing these days but believe it or not people actually PLAY games, they don't immediately rip them apart and butcher them all in the name of the almighty "modding".

 

The VAST majority can actually run this game fine, yet all we ever hear is the loud mouthed minority bitching and moaning.  As for me thinking for myself ohhh maybe it's because I am an individual and I am allowed to express my opinion on this site.  Yet again you throw the "mod" thing at me, just because I am a moderator does not mean I cannot express my views or opinions on this site.

 

As for what I said about Paroxum meh he apparently didn't give a "sh*t" about my opinion so why should I give a "sh*t" about his ?.  Do I care that he did a mod for SA ? erm nope.  Do I care that it was voted mod of the year ? erm nope.  Do I care he spent years working on it ? erm I think that is a nope again, that was his choice.  I don't do modding so what ever Paroxum does is his business. 

 

At the end of the day all I see in this thread is the usual attacking of people that say GTA 4 is fine, this topic has become nothing but a haven for trolls.  Might I remind you this is a GTA 4 FAN FORUM and if you are so unhappy with GTA 4 then please feel free to go back to the GTA SA section or the modding section since you seem to be such a fan of modding.

What a horrible horrible rationale. What I see here is an Anti-Modding troll in the making with the poorest of logic. "Ripping games apart"? What the hell are you talking about. Mods are there to CUSTOMIZE games. They are there to ADD value to games. No one is forcing you to use it, but some of the most successful games in the world were original mods *cough* counterstrike *cough*. Just look for a freespace2 mod called "Beyond the red line" and tell me which recent commercial space games even came close to that.

 

At the end of the day, I might remind you that this is a GTA IV >>>>>>>>>PC<<<<<<<<<<<<< forum. Wherever there is PC, discussion of Mods is inevitable. If you find mods to be such a "horrible" thing, then I suggest you stop being a moderator for the GTA IV PC forums, and go to a GTA IV console forum, where no such thing is possible, or at least it is tremendously difficult, since you seem to be such a mindless hater of modding.

 

Shocking as it may seem, in a thread DISCUSSING the worst aspects of GTA IV, the worst aspects would be mentioned . If you wanna shut your eyes and claim that GTA IV is "fine", then by all means do so. But while doing so, you better learn how to defend it or look like the foolish person you look right now. The fact that you consider the game to be "fine" is not the problem per se. The problem is your logic behind it. Most of the people criticizing GTA IV around here have contributed a lot to the forum long before GTA IV was announced. Calling them "trolls" is the final nail in the coffin to your horrible logic, and in doing so is making a troll of yourself.

 

Maybe if you opened your narrow mind a little wider, you might concede that the "game plays fine for me and my use of it, but I acknowledge that there are problems that others might see in GTA IV that hinder their experience with the game, and I wish Rockstar would improve upon them to make GTA IV an enjoyable experience for everyone, and not for only for selfish me", especially considering that those problems are largely legitimate and very much mailable to the improvement hammer.

Edited April 5, 2009 by medfreak

[CharmingCharlie]

Oh I don't know anyone would think I killed a puppy they way you lot are whittling on about modding. I am not going to carry on derailing this thread, I use the game within the licence that I paid for, I don't care about modding and modding is OUTSIDE the licence agreement you pay for. Now shut up about modding, I only stated my point to show that some people really couldn't give a stuff that Rockstar "has cut off modders".

 

Oh and zmoonchild there have been SEVERAL polls even in this forum and well over 70% are quite happy with the game and can get it running fine. Now call me a picky guy but if 70% or more are happy I would call that the VAST majority, naturally the trolls on this forum choose to ignore this and keep spouting that GTA 4 is "broken".

 

Finally to everyone else, stop throwing my position in my face, yes I am a moderator but I am entitled to express my opinion on here. Oh and medfreak please tell me where does it say "GTA 4 PC modding forum" in the title ? oh wait it doesn't this is the forum to dicuss GTA 4 on the PC. We have a seperate forum for you to indulge in your modding fetish. Now just accept that a lot of people really couldn't give a f*ck about modding, just like lots of people DO.

[Girish]

Alright, there seems to be a lot of fuss over the non-moddable feature of the latest patch. But you guys need to think logically. R* has never openly criticized modding and they never gave a sh*t about what modifications were done to III, VC and SA. But you see, none of the previous GTA games had official multiplayer support. With the introduction of multiplayer in IV, there was an extensive amount of cheating involved which had to be dealt with in one way or the other. And quite frankly speaking, a fair amount of people complaining about not being able to mod the game are the same people who were pissed off because people cheated in multiplayer. R* had to take a decision and disallow all mods completely. I do not disagree with them at all. That was the only way cheating could be curbed and from what I've experienced, I'm quite enjoying the non-cheating atmosphere in multiplayer.

 

As for the 'Game is fine' option, I have to agree with CharmingCharlie on this one. If you're going to criticize the game, it's only fair that you give others a chance to vote for the 'fine' option if they haven't had any problems listed as other options. Ever since I got the game, I haven't had a single issue other than the stuttering and long loading times which were promptly addressed by R* and the -memrestrict and VSync fixed those for me. Apart from that, with every patch, I have had a steady increase in fps which is a good thing for me; no negatives here. So, why shouldn't I have the option to say that the game is fine? The only reason I know that the game is not very well optimized is because of all the complaining that I see in the forums around me. If I hadn't been on these forums, I'd be completely oblivious to all these issues since I myself never had one to being with. Similarly, I'd like to believe there are quite a large amount of people in the world who're playing this game without any issues. The people on this forum aren't the only people playing the game after all. So, in order to include these other people and to respect their opinion, it's only fair that we had a 'Game is fine' option.

 

So, please stop whining about the no modding support. R* have only acted in the best interests of the online community to put an end to cheating. I'm pretty sure someone will come up with a hack to allow mods in single player. Till then, just be patient and enjoy whatever you have at the moment.

[Dcrysis02]

 

Alright, there seems to be a lot of fuss over the non-moddable feature of the latest patch. But you guys need to think logically. R* has never openly criticized modding and they never gave a sh*t about what modifications were done to III, VC and SA. But you see, none of the previous GTA games had official multiplayer support. With the introduction of multiplayer in IV, there was an extensive amount of cheating involved which had to be dealt with in one way or the other. And quite frankly speaking, a fair amount of people complaining about not being able to mod the game are the same people who were pissed off because people cheated in multiplayer. R* had to take a decision and disallow all mods completely. I do not disagree with them at all. That was the only way cheating could be curbed and from what I've experienced, I'm quite enjoying the non-cheating atmosphere in multiplayer.

 

As for the 'Game is fine' option, I have to agree with CharmingCharlie on this one. If you're going to criticize the game, it's only fair that you give others a chance to vote for the 'fine' option if they haven't had any problems listed as other options. Ever since I got the game, I haven't had a single issue other than the stuttering and long loading times which were promptly addressed by R* and the -memrestrict and VSync fixed those for me. Apart from that, with every patch, I have had a steady increase in fps which is a good thing for me; no negatives here. So, why shouldn't I have the option to say that the game is fine? The only reason I know that the game is not very well optimized is because of all the complaining that I see in the forums around me. If I hadn't been on these forums, I'd be completely oblivious to all these issues since I myself never had one to being with. Similarly, I'd like to believe there are quite a large amount of people in the world who're playing this game without any issues. The people on this forum aren't the only people playing the game after all. So, in order to include these other people and to respect their opinion, it's only fair that we had a 'Game is fine' option.

 

So, please stop whining about the no modding support. R* have only acted in the best interests of the online community to put an end to cheating. I'm pretty sure someone will come up with a hack to allow mods in single player. Till then, just be patient and enjoy whatever you have at the moment.

Correct me if i'm wrong,(seriously i haven't played MP lately) but someone said,it's raining boats all over again,so cheating is alive and well,as i see it.I mean like you with the problems,i didn't know about cheating because i didn't play in MP that much.But i see a lot of people complaining after the last patch that cheaters are still present online.So....yeah.

[Girish]

Correct me if i'm wrong,(seriously i haven't played MP lately) but someone said,it's raining boats all over again,so cheating is alive and well,as i see it.I mean like you with the problems,i didn't know about cheating because i didn't play in MP that much.But i see a lot of people complaining after the last patch that cheaters are still present online.So....yeah.

I have heard about this too, but the last few times I played MP, I did not experience any such thing so I can't elaborate on that. But all that it means is that there's still a good reason why R* will continue to push for disallowing all kinds of mods from the game. If cheating is still adamant even after the anti-mod measures put in place with the latest patch, it seems the next patch (if there is one) will discourage it even further. Frankly speaking, we, the players, are ourselves hurting the game by blatantly cheating. At this point, mods seem to be ruining the game more than benefiting them.

[zmoonchild]

I have no problem with Rockstar not giving modding support; my modding comments were solely at Charming Charlie’s remarks mocking the modding community, especially since this forum fully endorses modding, and has a specific section that’s entirely dedicated to that.

 

I’m not that much of a modder myself; just dabbled a bit here and there (mostly in audio), but I highly respect people such as OrionSR and P.D. Escobar and others, who have contributed heavily to modding GTA games, and made them more enjoyable (in some cases, such as the San Andreas Chain Game); but I don’t respect people who make arbitrary statements such as “they don't immediately rip them apart and butcher them all in the name of the almighty "modding"” in an attempt to discredit these people. They were following Rockstar’s “rules” when they modded the games, and there was no “modding outside of the license agreement” … I’ve already provided the links to prove that.

 

[CharmingCharlie]

 

I have no problem with Rockstar not giving modding support; my modding comments were solely at Charming Charlie’s remarks mocking the modding community, especially since this forum fully endorses modding, and has a specific section that’s entirely dedicated to that.

Which bit of "my personal opinion" do you not understand ? This forum endorses a lot of things I don't like but that doesn't mean I have to "tow the party line". I don't do modding, I don't care for modding and right at this moment modding is doing it's damnedest to kill off GTA 4.

 

 

They were following Rockstar’s “rules” when they modded the games, and there was no “modding outside of the license agreement” … I’ve already provided the links to prove that.

Please show me anywhere in the EULA where it says you may modify the game files ? I think you might find the End User Licence Agreement clearly states you MAY NOT alter the game files. The modding community has always operated in the "grey area" of legality. Now with GTA 4 they have gone so far OUT of the grey area it isn't even funny. Rockstar by their actions have now stated they don't want mods online yet modders feel it is their almighty right to do whatever the hell they please. This isn't about them operating within the rules this is about them pissing all over the rules.

 

[razmat]

i'm not having any problems running the game and i don't use mods.it's just annoying with rockstars dictating the game,like they did in their other games.you go to go on a quest and there's not a car one anywhere.you have to run all around to find one,then you get in one and try to turn around and there's loads of traffic all around and you can't hardly move.during missions your chasing someone and cars are constantly jumping in front of you in intersections and stuff.you can watch them as your comming and if they are back a little ,they'll all of a sudden zip in front of you.and if they are already in it ,they just stop on a dime in front of you.this especially sucks when you are on a motorcycle and every little thing you hit you go flying like 50 feet.and still after doing missions many times over you have to go back and drive 10 minutes to get back to the mission.cars seem somewhat light.if you stop up against them and step on the gas you can roll them over easy.even a smaller car to a bigger one.i slid under a car on a dirt bike and when i went to get back on it and nikko picked it up it nearly flipped the car all the way over.

 

the city and game engine are really cool though.i think this would have been a great city for BMX bikes .and being able to purchase buildings and such.say like high rises,high rise penthouse ,maybe even the empire state building or other downtown enterprises.

[neilthecellist]

 

I have no problem with Rockstar not giving modding support; my modding comments were solely at Charming Charlie’s remarks mocking the modding community, especially since this forum fully endorses modding, and has a specific section that’s entirely dedicated to that.

Which bit of "my personal opinion" do you not understand ? This forum endorses a lot of things I don't like but that doesn't mean I have to "tow the party line". I don't do modding, I don't care for modding and right at this moment modding is doing it's damnedest to kill off GTA 4.

 

 

They were following Rockstar’s “rules” when they modded the games, and there was no “modding outside of the license agreement” … I’ve already provided the links to prove that.

Please show me anywhere in the EULA where it says you may modify the game files ? I think you might find the End User Licence Agreement clearly states you MAY NOT alter the game files. The modding community has always operated in the "grey area" of legality. Now with GTA 4 they have gone so far OUT of the grey area it isn't even funny. Rockstar by their actions have now stated they don't want mods online yet modders feel it is their almighty right to do whatever the hell they please. This isn't about them operating within the rules this is about them pissing all over the rules.

Dude.

 

They say that in the UT3 EULA too.

 

Look at how many mods that UT3 has. Hell, Epic has even ENDORSED the Unreal Community Bonus Packs (not just 1 of them, THREE of them).

 

EDIT: Ok, this thread is about what the COMMUNITY thinks is the worst aspect of GTA IV. Why is a moderator saying otherwise?

Edited April 5, 2009 by neilthecellist

[zmoonchild]

 

They were following Rockstar’s “rules” when they modded the games, and there was no “modding outside of the license agreement” … I’ve already provided the links to prove that.

Please show me anywhere in the EULA where it says you may modify the game files ? I think you might find the End User Licence Agreement clearly states you MAY NOT alter the game files. The modding community has always operated in the "grey area" of legality. Now with GTA 4 they have gone so far OUT of the grey area it isn't even funny. Rockstar by their actions have now stated they don't want mods online yet modders feel it is their almighty right to do whatever the hell they please. This isn't about them operating within the rules this is about them pissing all over the rules.

I agree with you about GTA IV; that there has never been any declaration on Rockstar’s behalf that stated it’s okay to mod it. I always figured that there wouldn’t be any modding for GTA IV anyway (because of Hot Coffee, my opinion), so you and I are in agreement that it’s technically not allowed to be modded.

 

But you have to admit that the rules for the earlier versions of GTA are clearly in conflict with each other… the agreement says you can’t, yet Rockstar fully endorses it on their website; that’s where I was going with my statement, just for clarification… which is what I think you’re referring to as a “grey” area.

Edited April 7, 2009 by zmoonchild

[neilthecellist]

 

They were following Rockstar’s “rules” when they modded the games, and there was no “modding outside of the license agreement” … I’ve already provided the links to prove that.

Please show me anywhere in the EULA where it says you may modify the game files ? I think you might find the End User Licence Agreement clearly states you MAY NOT alter the game files. The modding community has always operated in the "grey area" of legality. Now with GTA 4 they have gone so far OUT of the grey area it isn't even funny. Rockstar by their actions have now stated they don't want mods online yet modders feel it is their almighty right to do whatever the hell they please. This isn't about them operating within the rules this is about them pissing all over the rules.

I agree with you about GTA IV; that there has never been any declaration on Rockstar’s behalf that stated it’s okay to mod it. I always figured that there wouldn’t be any modding for GTA IV anyway (because of Hot Coffee, my opinion), so you and I are in agreement that it’s technically not allowed to be modded.

 

But you have to admit that the rules for the earlier versions of GTA are clearly in conflict with each other… the agreement says you can’t, yet Rockstar fully endorses it on their website; that’s where I was going with my statement, just for clarification… which is what I think you’re referring to as a “grey” area.

Yes, they say that about many games. In practice that isn't the case. It's called salutary neglect in economics. In practice, it's the same thing.

[CharmingCharlie]

This poll isn't about other GTA's this poll is about GTA 4. In previous GTA's if you modded your game the only people you affected was yourself. Now with GTA 4 having an official on line component if you mod your game and those are allowed online you can affect other peoples games.

 

Rockstar with patch 1.0.3.0 have clearly shown that they do not want mods used online. This forum is happy to accept this and have altered the rules so that any mods that have an online component are not allowed here. Yet certain sections of the modding community are hell bent on attacking Rockstar, GTAforums and GTA 4 for this. When you buy a game you do not have the right to do what ever the hell you like with it. A point that seems lost on the modding "community".

[Neon25]

Sorry Charlie, usually I respect your opions and all, but you seem to cross the line here.

 

 

modding is doing it's damnedest to kill off GTA 4.

 

Are you kidding? Do you know a game in which modding KILLS it OFF? I know none. In fact, every possible example of moddable game EXPANDS its lifetime. Look at Vice City- there are still mods created for it! Take a look at Max Payne, Operation Flashpoint... Hell, even official San Andreas site says:

 

 

Player Modifications support, giving PC gamers the opportunity to create their own world within San Andreas

 

link: http://rockstargames.com/sanandreas/pc/ , see "Features" in the menu.

 

 

 

I think you might find the End User Licence Agreement clearly states you MAY NOT alter the game files.

 

Fair enough. But then again- why did they create the files that are edited so EASILY, even with DAMN INSTRUCTIONS what thing does what?

And OK, if I can't modify any of the game files, I can still use *.asi and *.lua mods since they don't alter ANYTHING in the game files, in fact they are based on natives from the game. If you say you can't even use *asi or *lua files it's like saying that you can't use cheats from your cellphone because it alters the game.

Edited April 5, 2009 by Neon25

[neilthecellist]

This poll isn't about other GTA's this poll is about GTA 4. In previous GTA's if you modded your game the only people you affected was yourself. Now with GTA 4 having an official on line component if you mod your game and those are allowed online you can affect other peoples games.

 

Rockstar with patch 1.0.3.0 have clearly shown that they do not want mods used online. This forum is happy to accept this and have altered the rules so that any mods that have an online component are not allowed here. Yet certain sections of the modding community are hell bent on attacking Rockstar, GTAforums and GTA 4 for this. When you buy a game you do not have the right to do what ever the hell you like with it. A point that seems lost on the modding "community".

I never said that. In fact, I don't even play online with GTA IV anymore. I like mods. I use them all the time in Single Player.