Worst Aspect of GTA 4

[gta-evo4]

While dedicated servers and some modding support would have been a nice add on, I still think the "game is fine" as it is, and actually thank r* for releasing it, but it could have been better though.

[Ardbug]

I dont understand how ppl can say the game is fine when its raining tugboats and busses all over multiplayer, I can only assume those that picked the "fine" option doesnt play online at all.

[xxCrowTechxx]

I voted for a bad release because, for most people, these patches have been very helpful and that supports such an assessment. There's no negating that people have benefited greatly from the patches and as such it could be argued that it was released too early. Actually, I'm greatly reminded of this every time a key gets stuck down in the game and I have to quit. Even the OS gets bitchy when that happens (the key is now absent from the OS too, damn it!). Reboot, unplug....you've got to be kidding....it's a keyboard FFS. Oh yeah, consoles don't have keyboards.

 

Keep those patches coming R*! There's work to be done yet and we greatly appreciate all that you do. Thank you in advance.

 

{ADDED}

 

For now, I need to issue a retraction.

 

Indeed my keyboard is a weirdo and it is a known issue with these damn Lycosas. It's a crying shame because it's such a nice keyboard when it works properly. I'm off to get a replacement. Hopefully that one isn't lame like this one because "somebody gonna getta hurt real bad" if that's the case. The real crazy part is that these keyboards ain't cheap so one expects it would be a pristine invention. You're are, in theory, supposed to get what you pay for.

 

Sorry R*, my bad. In my defense, it was surely hard to tell until it happened during normal OS operation (goes to show ya, I play GTA a lot more than I use the OS for anything else ATM).

 

Keep up the good work guys! You've, somehow, outdone yourselves again.

 

"Impressive. Most impressive."

Edited April 3, 2009 by xxCrowTechxx

[dafour]

GFWL

We need dedicated !!!

[medfreak]

 

computer specs too high = meh welcome to PC gaming have a nice f*cking day.

No dedicated server = meh really couldn't give a f*ck.

Processor dependant = WOW just like a normal game

No support for modders = Cry me a f*cking river I don't care.

Bad first release = Erm game has worked fine for me since day 1.

bad anti-cheat GFWL = I play rank racing there is very little cheating anyway

game patches = nice to see Rockstar Toronto supporting their product unlike Rockstar North

Games for windows live = meh it works so no biggie.

securom = it is still stopping people playing 4 months later and has not affected me in anyway

Game price = f*ck buy a console and then see what you have to complain about.

 

I wouldn't say "computer specs too high", but I would say that the game didn't perform as well as it should on any given PC hardware at time of release, much better after 1.0.3

 

No Dedicated Server = Would have improved the cheating problem significantly.

 

Processer dependant= Just like a normal game? Not really, most PC games are GPU dependent. There is nothing wrong with being Processer dependent, as long as the coding is using the Processers cycles properly, and not wasted on crap. Biggest evidence to that is the major performance improvements in the latest patch.

 

No Support for modders= WTH why don't you care? Modding is probably one of the best aspects of GTA thanks to the fantastic community. Sad to hear that from a mod.

 

Bad first Release = Oh please if you can't admit that the game had major flaws at release, you are being a fanboy. If it worked for you does not mean it was great.

 

Bad anti-cheat= The mere fact that there is enormous cheating is a huge problem. Just because you play one aspect of multiplayer that is less likely to have cheats does not mean you should turn a blind eye to the rest.

 

Game Patches= I have to say the patches are progressing nicely.

 

Securom= LOL. It didn't stop anyone from playing 24 hours after release day.

 

Game price= The price is good for what GTA IV has to offer.

 

So let me get this straight, you think the game WAS FINE and did not warrent any improvement whatsoever on release day? If you think that please give me some of what you are smoking.

Edited April 3, 2009 by medfreak

[duffman12]

I voted for GFWL. Within that I mean how clunky it is, how unnecessarially hard it is to get a couple of mates into a game or even send a message to them about a game. MP is crippled because of it in my opinion. I have the retail DVD, not Steam version. A system like steam would be the ideal way of talking to friends in game, joining games etc. Steam is so perfect in that respect and GFWL makes the MP aspect terrible IMO. Its fine once you get into a game, but getting into a game with mates can be a pain!

 

No dedicated server support doesnt help, and would make things better if this were included, but I still feel GFWL and the whole MP system (by this I mean the MP setup, not the actual MP gaming) is flawed.

[Girish]

 

So let me get this straight, you think the game WAS FINE and did not warrent any improvement whatsoever on release day? If you think that please give me some of what you are smoking.

You don't have to be smoking sh*t if the game worked fine for you. The only issues I ever had with the game were the stuttering and the long loading time. But -memrestrict fixed the stuttering and turning off VSync made the game load faster. Not to mention, I have had steady fps increase with every patch. The game has crashed only once so far when I was constantly minimizing-maximizing it and I could run through the storyline without anything affecting my savegame or progress.

 

So, why do you think I should be complaining? The only reason I say GTA IV is not a greatly optimized game is because of the people on this forum who are having issues with the game. I'm not saying it from personal experience because I never had any issues to being with. Is it that hard to accept the fact that quite a few people have got the game working without any major issues? The game WAS/IS FINE for them.

[dom96]

The only thing that annoys me is that this new 1.0.3 patch messed up everything on my comp, don't wanna be an assho** but R* test your patches before releasing them, now i can't play the MP because i have to use 1.0.2 *sigh*

[neilthecellist]

 

Charlie, why did you add the "game is fine" option? It isn't even remotely in keeping with the topic. If your intention was to skew the results... well done. Success.

Erm no it isn't, why shouldn't there be an option for people to vote "the game is fine" ? In my view the game is fine which is what I voted for. I would say having nothing but negative options on the poll would skew it a hell of a lot more than have ONE voting option to state you are happy with the game ........ or perhaps you don't want people that are happy with the game expressing an opinion here ?

 

 

Hey your right. Charlie that is kinda against the topic, this is constructive criticism not ass kissing. If R* actually looks at this and the highest vote is for "Game is Fine" then what will they say? "Oh everyone thinks its fine in this patch lets do nothing that really helps anyone lets just let them think were still working on the game" Whereas if we all vote for an actual gripe with the game then they could notice it and maybe attempt to rectify their mistake. A little bit sus imo

I find it a little bit "sus" that you don't want to let people that have NO problem with the game have a voice. It is only right that there should be an option for those that genuinely have no problem with the game. I am one of them :-

 

computer specs too high = meh welcome to PC gaming have a nice f*cking day.

No dedicated server = meh really couldn't give a f*ck.

Processor dependant = WOW just like a normal game

No support for modders = Cry me a f*cking river I don't care.

Bad first release = Erm game has worked fine for me since day 1.

bad anti-cheat GFWL = I play rank racing there is very little cheating anyway

game patches = nice to see Rockstar Toronto supporting their product unlike Rockstar North

Games for windows live = meh it works so no biggie.

securom = it is still stopping people playing 4 months later and has not affected me in anyway

Game price = f*ck buy a console and then see what you have to complain about.

 

So if the option to vote "the game is fine" wasn't there then I couldn't vote. What I find very suspect is the fact that some people on this board seem to want to stifle those that do not have a problem with the game or if we state that then we are "kissing Rockstars arse". The TC was happy with the addition to the poll and I feel it is only right, so it stays.

Whoa. *Backs away slowly*

 

Ok, look, as a forum moderator, (or just anyone) I acknowledge that mods might not mean anything to you, but does that REALLY warrant "cry me a f*cking river i don't care" ? I mean, you're dealing with a lot of users (myself included) who like mods. I mean, just look at ENBSeries for GTA San Andreas. And then look at SAMP. Mods have given GTA San Andreas so much more replayability that to this day (year 2009, April) we still see a lot of players playing GTA San Andreas.

 

Ok, yes, you don't like mods. I get it.

 

I'll back away now.

[Mainland Marauder]

Anyone who moans about computer specs too high obviously doesn't want to be playing current gen games. Personally, I don't want the PC game market to lag behind graphically and physically because some people fail to see as time goes on, game get better and require more processing power.

 

Go play San Andreas, I'm sure the specs are more to your tastes.

It's ridiculous when you can have a ~3 ghz processor and top of the line video card and still only get 30 fps. Not only are the specs high but it should perform better than it does on better systems. You can have the most kickass rig in the world and have to turn your settings down to get >30 fps. That sucks.

 

And I'll be more than happy to play San Andreas, thanks.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Ok, look, as a forum moderator, (or just anyone) I acknowledge that mods might not mean anything to you, but does that REALLY warrant "cry me a f*cking river i don't care" ? I mean, you're dealing with a lot of users (myself included) who like mods. I mean, just look at ENBSeries for GTA San Andreas. And then look at SAMP. Mods have given GTA San Andreas so much more replayability that to this day (year 2009, April) we still see a lot of players playing GTA San Andreas.

 

Ok, yes, you don't like mods. I get it.

 

I'll back away now.

So just because I am a moderator on this site does not mean I can't have a personal view now does it. I find 99% of mods a complete and utter waste of space. I have never modded ANY of my GTA games, that's right I never bothered with ENB series (a mod that brings the game to a bloody standstill frame rate wise). Nor have I ever bothered with SA MP, now if you like mods then bully for you.

 

However my own PERSONAL view is I really couldn't give a stuff about mods. I will never use these half baked bugged to hell "add ons" for GTA 4 so why should I care if Rockstar blocks them. Oh and I can tell you now mods for GTA are not half as popular as you think they are and right now your so called "modifications" are actually harming GTA's life span not prolonging it.

[Mainland Marauder]

I've never been much for using most mods in GTA although I do appreciate the work modders put into what they do. I do use mods in some other PC games like SimCity 4, which is bugged to hell straight out of the box

[MonkeyMhz]

I think they just should have put a mod section in the menu like many other games were you can pick a mod that you want to play. GTAIV has a great modding potential. I don't care if people don't play mods, people still like to make them. I don't know if I would use it personally. But it should be there.

 

In a Ideal mindset, gtaiv should have a world editor for everyone to use and make their own things. But that probably wont happen.

 

Oh well, too bad, too sad.

[Prophet11]

CPU dependent !!

 

have a good gfx card enough ram but cant get a ticket to Liberty City cuz of my P4 3.0 :'(

[mkey82]

You say this

 

 

I have never modded ANY of my GTA games

and then this.

 

 

I never bothered with ENB series (a mod that brings the game to a bloody standstill frame rate wise)

 

half baked bugged to hell "add ons" for GTA 4

You never used them, yet you know how they perform?

 

EnB brings your PC to a crawl? Well, get better hardware, isn't that what you tell to people "complaining" about IV? They also need better hardware and stop moaning. Had you EVER tried then you would know how those things work. Tehn you would have a proper personal opinion.

 

But you haven't tried (like you stated) so what gives you the right to post your personal opinion about stuff you admit to know nothing about? This is where the "mod" part comes in, see?

 

ENB series may or may not be something one would choose (I personally am not too fond of it) but it can be tweaked to work well. That is, maxed out SA, paroXum's texture pack, streamfix, DexX's graphics plugin and ENB (with tweaked settings) at 1680x1050 give me more then 40FPS, a lot more stable then I get in IV. On a 512 MB 4870, which is not exactly the most prestige GPU out there, is it?

 

Also, please point me to those "half baked bugged to hell "add ons" for GTA 4" so I can steer clear of them in the future. Thanks.

 

With all the CPU specific issues, it's obvious R* should care a bit more for the PC version if they are going to publish more games for the said platform. All of this (the rather bad launch) could have been easily avoided, had they started to work on PC version some 6 moths before they said they did. Also, for the next GTA I would like to see a brand new city (no rehashes, please) with a brand new experience and atmosphere. Also, if they could give it a bit more of that old difficulty rating, it would be great. And some option regarding those friends and friendships would be greatly appreciated. As I really don't give a crap about those (and I know many share my opinion) it would be nice that those assholes don't call me until I call them. Wouldn't that be great? If you want to go out with them, call them. If not, you just ignore them and everything goes well.

Edited April 3, 2009 by mkey82

[neilthecellist]

You say this

 

 

I have never modded ANY of my GTA games

and then this.

 

 

I never bothered with ENB series (a mod that brings the game to a bloody standstill frame rate wise)

 

half baked bugged to hell "add ons" for GTA 4

You never used them, yet you know how they perform?

 

EnB brings your PC to a crawl? Well, get better hardware, isn't that what you tell to people "complaining" about IV? They also need better hardware and stop moaning. Had you EVER tried then you would know how those things work. Tehn you would have a proper personal opinion.

 

But you haven't tried (like you stated) so what gives you the right to post your personal opinion about stuff you admit to know nothing about? This is where the "mod" part comes in, see?

 

ENB series may or may not be something one would choose (I personally am not too fond of it) but it can be tweaked to work well. That is, maxed out SA, paroXum's texture pack, streamfix, DexX's graphics plugin and ENB (with tweaked settings) at 1680x1050 give me more then 40FPS, a lot more stable then I get in IV. On a 512 MB 4870, which is not exactly the most prestige GPU out there, is it?

 

Also, please point me to those "half baked bugged to hell "add ons" for GTA 4" so I can steer clear of them in the future. Thanks.

I have the same inquiries. I know Charlie is a mod and everything, but he's left things very strange to interpret.

[mkey82]

There is nothing wrong about having opinions, you just have to make sure they are founded. This is what we tell people that come with all sorts of attitudes and post various kinds of sh*t, so we must uphold it, no?

[DML]

I will never use these half baked bugged to hell "add ons" for GTA 4 so why should I care if Rockstar blocks them. Oh and I can tell you now mods for GTA are not half as popular as you think they are and right now your so called "modifications" are actually harming GTA's life span not prolonging it.

Mods, when done with the support of the original game developer, usually prolong a game's life span quite considerably. Rockstar have never liked mods, and they've shown they're not too keen on modders either.

 

It is true that many of these "add ons" are quite bad, but the terms "half-baked" and "bugged to hell" could apply to the PC port of any Grand Theft Auto game since the great ass rape of 2000 (with GTA III).

 

Rockstar have repeatedly shown (since becoming console whores that is) that they are becoming increasingly less-able to produce well-programmed games for the PC. I mean, to release a "PC game", and have all this ridiculous sh*t written ALL...OVER...THE PLACE regarding XBoxes and PlayStations. At-least one thing's positive about this...

 

You know when you've got something wrong health-wise, but you can't pin-point what the cause is? Common cold, saw leg, etc etc. Usually something points to what the problem is being caused by. How is this relevant here you ask? Well when people who don't know Rockstar like a lot of us here do, they only have to peruse the data folders of the game to discover all this crap about XBoxes and PlayStations to realize: "Oh! That's why it's a bit f*cked up, needed immediate patches, and runs like road-smeared dog-sh*t on a hot summer's day!".

[Ardbug]

 

But you haven't tried (like you stated) so what gives you the right to post your personal opinion about stuff you admit to know nothing about? This is where the "mod" part comes in, see?

 

Lol are you kidding ?? I havent used a single GTA IV MOD either, but I can assure you that I have a very strong opinion on "MODders" in GTAIV, are you seriously suggesting we all install car-spawner 1.0.4 before we "qualify" to give an oppinion on MODders ruining online play ?

True community MODding is non existant in GTA IV because GFWL wont allow dedicated servers, and so there is no venue for using flashy MODs other than single player since we are not able to admin a single server by hand at all, and without the ability to admin servers we are not able to kick the cheaters who use MODs to cheat, so in order for MODders to truly utilize GTA IV and not just ruin it like they do now, they would have to get rid of GFWL, and good luck with that, untill that happens I will continue to maintain the opinion that MODders are utterly and completely destroying online play right now thanks to GFWL, why would I need to download a cheat/MOD to voice that opinion ?

Edited April 3, 2009 by Ardbug

[medfreak]

 

Anyone who moans about computer specs too high obviously doesn't want to be playing current gen games. Personally, I don't want the PC game market to lag behind graphically and physically because some people fail to see as time goes on, game get better and require more processing power.

 

Go play San Andreas, I'm sure the specs are more to your tastes.  

It's ridiculous when you can have a ~3 ghz processor and top of the line video card and still only get 30 fps. Not only are the specs high but it should perform better than it does on better systems. You can have the most kickass rig in the world and have to turn your settings down to get >30 fps. That sucks.

 

And I'll be more than happy to play San Andreas, thanks.

Well put sir. Basically, it is not the high system specs. For example I was very critical of the whiners about the "Crysis" specs, because the game was truely performing to the level of the hardware it was being run on. On the other hand, the GTA specs are not the problem per se, but the fact that it is not performing up to the POTENTIAL of the hardware it is using. To me though after the last patch things are improving tremendously performance wise, both on my low end and high end setups. But there is a lot of room for improvement especially in the multiplayer department.

 

IMO, those that claim that GTA IV was fine since release day are just as bad as the mindless haters that claim "GTA IV is da worst gam evaaah!!!!11".

Edited April 3, 2009 by medfreak

[mkey82]

 

are you seriously suggesting we all install car-spawner 1.0.4

Nope.

 

 

True community MODding is non existant in GTA IV because GFWL wont allow dedicated servers,

SA allowed dedicated servers directly from the publisher? LOL

 

 

why would I need to download a cheat/MOD to voice that opinion ?

That would be beyond me.

Edited April 3, 2009 by mkey82

[Klamath]

One thing that I currently find annoying is the long load time. I tend to play for short periods many times throughout the day. It's especially aggravating that much of the load time is for things that are forced on me that I have no use for (SecureROM, GFWL, RSSC).

[CharmingCharlie]

Why the hell can't I have an opinion about mods ? I don't need to try ENB series, I can see what people think about it to know that it causes massive problems and puts me off from ever touching it. I don't know what it is about people that support modding it's like some kind of religion and if you speak out against modding you get burnt at the stake for heresy.

 

Now at the end of the day if you want to mod your game that is entirely up to you and I am not going to say anything about that. However MY personal opinion is I couldn't give a flying f*ck about mods which is why the "No support for modders" really isn't of any concern to me.

 

I have never modded GTA, I find there is more than enough entertainment in the vanilla version of GTA to not bother. I will never modify GTA 4 because even after 4 months I am still having tons of fun with it. So I really couldn't give a stuff about modders being blocked, if anything I actually welcome it since they seem to be behaving like arseholes at the moment and doing their damndest to destroy multiplayer.

[Gryet]

How should I be able to pick only one?

 

The only one I would NOT pick is the one about the price.

 

Exept, natually, the game is overpriced taking in consideration that half the buyers cannot play the game.

[gta-man22]

Why the hell can't I have an opinion about mods ? I don't need to try ENB series, I can see what people think about it to know that it causes massive problems and puts me off from ever touching it. I don't know what it is about people that support modding it's like some kind of religion and if you speak out against modding you get burnt at the stake for heresy.

 

Now at the end of the day if you want to mod your game that is entirely up to you and I am not going to say anything about that. However MY personal opinion is I couldn't give a flying f*ck about mods which is why the "No support for modders" really isn't of any concern to me.

 

I have never modded GTA, I find there is more than enough entertainment in the vanilla version of GTA to not bother. I will never modify GTA 4 because even after 4 months I am still having tons of fun with it. So I really couldn't give a stuff about modders being blocked, if anything I actually welcome it since they seem to be behaving like arseholes at the moment and doing their damndest to destroy multiplayer.

Because of that is why i love Valve. They support mods... tons of mods.... they even have a great SDK and if you want to ruin the multiplayer, you get PWNED, i mean VAC´ED.

 

I mean, Really.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Exept, natually, the game is overpriced taking in consideration that half the buyers cannot play the game.

That's funny because last time we had a poll well over 70% said that GTA 4 works ALWAYS, but please don't stop trolling the forums and spouting your misinformed rubbish.

[J0EBUSHID0]

"no support for modders" is a biggie for me, since the advantage of playing on PC over consoles is just that, you can customize the game to your liking. It's a shame they let the hot coffee thing frighten them into cutting out a VERY large portion of their PC fans.

 

Though to be fair, they never really "supported" modders, but the never made the extra effort to block them either. Maybe it should say "no love for modders" instead? And maybe add an "all of the above" option in the poll, because the rest of them are just as important.

[J0EBUSHID0]

And yes there should be secure and unsecure servers. Just like any other online game, I don't understand why a game company like R* didn't think of making it like every other online game.

 

Maybe they didn't care.

It's probably not that they don't care. I think it's more of a case of "we made GTf*ckinA! We're better than everyone else!" and they let their egos blind them to what other developers have done with their online-enabled games.

 

It makes sense... you can't be a "rockstar" without a big ego.. ha!

[J0EBUSHID0]

In a Ideal mindset, gtaiv should have a world editor for everyone to use and make their own things. But that probably wont happen.

 

 

Ha.. if that were to happen, it would probably cost us another 50 bucks, and would be buggy as hell until 4 months later when it finally gets patched.

[CharmingCharlie]

J0EBUSHID0 don't triple post, if you have further things you want to say and no one has replied then use the EDIT feature.