Don't exclude Modders

[Subversion1337]

Online modders are scum and they are breaking the EULA. They should have their serials banned.

 

(SA-MP was different given that they never broke the EULA)

[JohnnyVendetta]

I'm am EXTREMELY excited to see those stupid modders gone. I don't really give a f*** if you're in Free Mode or not, Mods ruin the game period. I'm sick of trying to have a "normal" Free Mode game and some asshole is changing characters, spawning that stupid tug boat at the airport, or using rocket pistols. First thing I do is vote to kick the player that does it.

 

If you can't play multiplayer by the rules, then go use your stupid c*** cheats in Single Player. Nice to see these assholes gone.    

What we have here is just another ignoramus giganticus. He obviously doesn't fully understand the topic, but he's formed the typical "hate what I don't understand" opinion. Bravo.

What are you trying to look smart by saying that? I know well enough about this topic and I'm voicing my opinion. I'm sick of seeing these f*cking losers playing GTA 4. Make your own sh*tty as game where you never die, spawn cars, shoot rockets out of a hand gun and have incest orgies with your family.

 

@ ExistHaunebu: Fortunately I don't have to mod my graphics config because I don't live with mom and dad and actually have a job to pay for a decent PC. Although for those unfortunate enough to have to do this is due to some poor QA testing at Rockstar and high-end requirements.

 

[P_4_CZT1]

LMAO, suck it up eh? More like throw up...

 

Without mods online GTA IV multiplayer will become old and boring very quickly and fizzle out long before its time. Mods are what keeps games fun and keeps people playing them long after their normal lifespan. Mods also help sell games because gamers tell their friends "Yo this game is so f*ckin' cool with this new mod, go buy it bros." Anyway, look at some of the other major games out there that would be dead in the f*ckin' water if it wasn't for mods.

 

R* is saying "We don't want gamers modding our software!"; well the end result will be gamers saying, "If you don't support modding then we won't buy your software in the future!" You'll see, without modding allowed online the sandbox nature of the game has been severely compromised and therefore the game will no longer be as fun or as promising as it was with mods.

 

You haven't heard the last of the modders though, you can bet on that, and when they're back you will be using the mods too.

 

And BTW mortal_soldier, if you don't like our opinions then take a f*ckin' hike because we have a lot more to say.

Amen i prever ur dedicated server's like

 

Modder Free Roam

 

or even (for those more physically and mentally challenged)

 

Modder Death Match

 

let the cool guys play there with the new construct mod and go f*king WILD and then

 

The nerdies and the ow i want to play fair guys and play by the rules (boring)

 

honestly i did not like all the deathmatch bullsh*t games only a few races and then they came with the first mods and

a new world was born that keep me playing and that counts for much more gamers i think

 

so keep the game alive support mods in MP

 

GreetZ P

 

 

 

[Nikzilla]

It is such a shame R* did this. Im now no longer a fan of GTA unless this gets fixed. I am 14 and I had my first GTA experience with GTA 2 when I was 4 and since then I was a dedicated modder. I always used my mods online but they consisted of textures, car spawning and editing and I sometimes speedhacked (cause I never spawned myself fast cars like others). Anyway, there were times when theree were people who would ruin the gane in invincible anhilators etc. My response was:

 

god mode: check

spawn red anhilator: check

invincible cars" check

heli speedhack: check

pwn that f*cker untill he find another server: check

 

Well, f*ck YOU R* YOU f*ckING KILLED THE ONLY SANDBOX IN THE WORLD THAT ALLOWED ME TO CHILL AFTER SCHOOL AND FORGET BOUT HW!!!! YOU f*ckERS ARE GONNA GET CHAIN SAWED BY NIK (My name is Nikita and Im Russian so yea)

[:DRX: ¡EyE!]

It is such a shame R* did this. Im now no longer a fan of GTA unless this gets fixed. I am 14 and I had my first GTA experience with GTA 2 when I was 4 and since then I was a dedicated modder. I always used my mods online but they consisted of textures, car spawning and editing and I sometimes speedhacked (cause I never spawned myself fast cars like others). Anyway, there were times when theree were people who would ruin the gane in invincible anhilators etc. My response was:

 

god mode: check

spawn red anhilator: check

invincible cars" check

heli speedhack: check

pwn that f*cker untill he find another server: check

 

Well, f*ck YOU R* YOU f*ckING KILLED THE ONLY SANDBOX IN THE WORLD THAT ALLOWED ME TO CHILL AFTER SCHOOL AND FORGET BOUT HW!!!! YOU f*ckERS ARE GONNA GET CHAIN SAWED BY NIK (My name is Nikita and Im Russian so yea)

You're exactly the kind of dumbass that ruined it for everyone. You're worse than the anti-modders because you're the type of douche bag punk that abused the mods in public free mode servers. God mode/invincibility should never have been used online like that. Only morons like you used god mode and f*cked with people until they left the server. Now when you mess with someone in a public server you'll get your ass owned because you can't use god mode, buhahahaha.

 

But we should still be allowed to use mods in private un-pure servers, that way f*cktards like you will continue to be owned in the pure public servers and the good guys can have fun using mods with their bros in their own private servers.

 

 

[illdan]

all of u guys, http://gta4mods.com/forum/index.php?topic=751

lets see how much people want modding to be allowed im multiplayer.

[illspirit]

 

How would you feel if Counter-Strike Source was FULL of cheaters???

But, umm, Counter-Strike started as a mod. Had Valve not allowed anyone to set up Half-Life servers with mods on them, there would be no Counter-Strike.

 

If R* gives us the option to run clean and modded servers (preferably with a way to download and sync mods from/with the host), we'll be able to make our own game modes and (eventually) new maps.

[Lord Illicious]

all of u guys, http://gta4mods.com/forum/index.php?topic=751

lets see how much people want modding to be allowed im multiplayer.

I say just party mode because it is a private free roam mode so no need for other dedicated servers or anything.

I dont want to go online and have some retard with infinite everything and follow me with machine gun rockets when all i want is a free roam mode to do stunts, race and have fun in.

These cheaters have no skill and just want to kill everyone or crash the game.

 

Party mode would be different. Mods with ramps would be the best.

You really need some ramps on the middle island in front of the blocked under construction sites.

Imagine full speed and jumping over those.

Also a few more ramps to jump from island to island would be cool too.

 

Who would complain if it was in party mode only?

Dont like it then start you own party mode, invite friends and all is good.

[:DRX: ¡EyE!]

I'd love to see cops in Party Mode too!

[Dannythyuhh]

LMAO, suck it up eh? More like throw up...

 

Without mods online GTA IV multiplayer will become old and boring very quickly and fizzle out long before its time. Mods are what keeps games fun and keeps people playing them long after their normal lifespan. Mods also help sell games because gamers tell their friends "Yo this game is so f*ckin' cool with this new mod, go buy it bros." Anyway, look at some of the other major games out there that would be dead in the f*ckin' water if it wasn't for mods.

 

R* is saying "We don't want gamers modding our software!"; well the end result will be gamers saying, "If you don't support modding then we won't buy your software in the future!" You'll see, without modding allowed online the sandbox nature of the game has been severely compromised and therefore the game will no longer be as fun or as promising as it was with mods.

 

You haven't heard the last of the modders though, you can bet on that, and when they're back you will be using the mods too.

 

And BTW mortal_soldier, if you don't like our opinions then take a f*ckin' hike because we have a lot more to say.

Yep, you understand why gta sa is still standing on his legs: Mods...

[Dannythyuhh]

and i thnk your missing the point aswell, non modders don't like modders cause they ruin the gameplay. Want to mod, SP is there. Don't ruin other people trying to enjoy theirself online just cause you can fly a car or shoot rockets out an uzi etc.

 

Its not GTA IV if you change things lol

 

Infact just cause that line is the truth, i better retype it and make it bit bigger. Large words are suppose to help mentally retarted people..

 

 

ITS NOT GTA IV IF YOU CHANGE PARTS WITHIN THE GAME

Modders server would be good, keep all the cheaters in the one place. God help the servers though, they would be constantly crashing and sh*t lol

Your playing in Free mode: If you drive arround searching for a specific car and finely got it after 15 minutes and your trying to drive in your car and some other idiot WITHOUT cheats or mods kills you. And you must search again for your favorite car?? Nope, i pass. I prefer got an trainer that can spawn cars so i dont need to look for my car. That is much faster and because its faster i will enjoy the game much more....

 

And then god mode? About the idiot above: He won't kill me so i can enjoy my game even much more!!!

 

I don't abuse trainers, but use trainers. Not only for me but for other guys too.

[Nietzsche's God]

Your playing in Free mode: If you drive arround searching for a specific car and finely got it after 15 minutes and your trying to drive in your car and some other idiot WITHOUT cheats or mods kills you. And you must search again for your favorite car?? Nope, i pass. I prefer got an trainer that can spawn cars so i dont need to look for my car. That is much faster and because its faster i will enjoy the game much more....

 

And then god mode? About the idiot above: He won't kill me so i can enjoy my game even much more!!!

 

I don't abuse trainers, but use trainers. Not only for me but for other guys too.

Your argument is unsound. If you want to roam freely in Free Mode without someone damaging your car, then perhaps you do it in private match so that you can do it with players you know will not damage it. Don't justify the unjustifiable by stating your silly reason of why you use the god mode.

[Neon25]

Your playing in Free mode: If you drive arround searching for a specific car and finely got it after 15 minutes and your trying to drive in your car and some other idiot WITHOUT cheats or mods kills you. And you must search again for your favorite car?? Nope, i pass. I prefer got an trainer that can spawn cars so i dont need to look for my car. That is much faster and because its faster i will enjoy the game much more....

 

And then god mode? About the idiot above: He won't kill me so i can enjoy my game even much more!!!

 

I don't abuse trainers, but use trainers. Not only for me but for other guys too.

Your argument is unsound. If you want to roam freely in Free Mode without someone damaging your car, then perhaps you do it in private match so that you can do it with players you know will not damage it. Don't justify the unjustifiable by stating your silly reason of why you use the god mode.

If you don't want cheaters, then perhaps you should host your own private match so that you can play without mods with your friends.

 

Don't make silly reasons of why I should NOT use god mode.

[robotron2000]

I have no problems with people who want to use mods in SP or private MP games, but what I don't understand is people who gatecrash someone else's server and start using them. Does it not occur to them that people might not want to have random stuff spawning everywhere? Is that not just common sense?

 

Wouldn't genuinely 'talented' and 'creative' types be able to bypass the vanilla game and work out a way to have their own servers, much like they did with GTA:SA-MP anway?

 

 

 

 

[quechus13]

Online modders are scum and they are breaking the EULA. They should have their serials banned.

 

(SA-MP was different given that they never broke the EULA)

lol because it was FAN MADE!

[circa542]

Disclaimer: This game requires the learning of C++ to have a equal gaming experience

Edited March 25, 2009 by circa542

[lilmcnessy]

If you think that playing IV online without modding will get boring, your just a cheater who can't get their way and your a sore LOSER!

Anyone ever played wow? It would be really unfair if everyone just cheated in it, there are private servers for it where you can cheat but i've played them and they just get boring, there is no point or fun in it

[Rachinator]

lol i'm childish for not liking people cheating online. lol clear that up for me.

 

Am i wrong in saying R* created GTAIV? So why would they want YOU to create garbage and put it into their game? Especially online...

 

Car Spawners, oh great theres my fav mode gone to f*ck cause someone is spawning the fastest car to get to places. New buildings, vehicles, weapons. What? lol More like lag out the servers and make people crash. They designed and created the game, not you.

 

Modders only belong in SP, deal with it.

 

All i said was live that dam dream you have of creating things in games, but get paid for it, instead of ruining other peoples online experience's. Learn to think about others lol not just yourself...

Screw you. Car Spawners are awesome if you aren't too dumb too install them. I for one like driving an awesome car and not a slow piece of sh*t. New buildings guns and vehicles make the game feel new and improved rather than let it get stale and old.

 

Mods are best in multi player cos you can show your work to others. Stuff like jailbreak, surf and gun game in counter strike are perfect examples. And a mod is now a priced game: Garrys mod!? Far out man learn the way online enabled games work .

 

Finally making a game is incredibly hard and needs a production team? Modding isn't as hard and adds value to a polished game. Far out your against mods cos someone cheated against you. Mods are awesome if you know the right context to use them in.

[mkey82]

 

Modders is synonymous with the word cheater.

 

 

(SA-MP was different given that they never broke the EULA)

Modding SA wasn't breaking the EULA? LOL

 

There are so many illiterate morns here, it's not even funny. Not only do you fail at expressing yourself, but you're unable to conceive a valid thought.

Edited March 25, 2009 by mkey82

[Rachinator]

Lol dude im totally with you buuuut... "There are so many illiterate morns here" made me lol very hard.

But yeah how is Making a whole Multiplayer setting for GTA San not breaking the EULA but making a tool to spawn cars in GTAIV is? People are retarded i swear.

[mkey82]

Yeah, every time I insult someones ability to express themselves, I fail as well. Call it irony of life, if you will.

 

This needs to be posted here.

 

 

I find it ironic that it is not, yet misunderstood as being the issue.

you can almost see this play out in slow motion .

It is not modding that causes problems.

I am willing to bet that 85% of the cheaters know nothing

of modifying files or handling manipulations.

 

 

Back in the day, they would be called script kiddies.

 

So ..

In sum.

 

Cheating is not a form of hacking.. (look it up)

Cheating is not a form of modding.

Cheating is not pirating.

Cheating is for people who can't play,  get upset for losing so much, so they get their pleasure out of using someone else's  trainer to win.

 

Modding is not cheating

modding is not pirating

modding is not hacking

Modding is saying "oooh cool, I want to put a car in the game like mine, so I have to make the texture, the dimensions, and work the balance and handeling to match my car." it is a manipulation if a file or program to better suite your need or desire. Plenty of tweaking is expected.

 

Hacking is not cheating

hacking is not pirating

hacking is not modding

Hacking is a brutal careless manipulation of a program for a current need/project with no desire to preserve the original. very little tweaking desired.

 

Pirating is not cheating

pirating is not modding

pirating is not  hacking

Pirating is obtaining something for sale or trade, but not going to to the original party to do so. It is a method of  making a gain for less than wanted by the first party, leaving them at a loss because you have what they sale, it is theirs and you did not compensate them for your gain.

 

 

That is roughly the explanation of each. If you people could... Please let's know the difference.

[Psymn321]

Can i just clarify something. People who alter their clients in any way to deviate from the standard configuration during online play are not modders. They are cheaters, that is a simple fact that most cheaters cant accept.

 

Modders are those that take a game and alter the content universally and allow others to use their modifications exclusively, and separate to vanilla configurations. For example, god mode can never be considered a mod, its simply a cheat regardless of how few brain cells you need to implement it. Spawning ramps in front of legitimate players in multiplayer is not 'modding the track' its cheating the legitimate players. Even the handling alterations are a cheat in the context of online play because it simply gives you an advantage and/or spoils a legitimate players experience.

 

There are NO mods for GTA online, there are only cheats.

 

Trying to suggest that altering the memory management of the game through commandlines which are provided by R* is the same as cheating, is the most retarded notion these kiddos have come up with yet.

 

A mod, to give you an example, is like what the First Strike team did to BF2142, changing the game in its entirety and releasing a unique client so that people can play in a completely different but fair context with each other in a Star Wars theme. There are many examples of MODs in many games but there are no MODS currently available for GTA4, only cheats/trainers/hacks due to the nature of how they are implemented in a crude and bias mannor.

 

If you cant understand this simple principal of fairness and/or confuse this for hate of modders, you can find me on BF2142 firststrike tonight, flying a tie-fighter, or speederbike while shaking off those pesky rebel scum.

[Clan evil]

if people think its crowded now on servers haha its not

i already had 31 people on my created server in freemode before 1.3

mark my words this game is dead whitout mods in freemode only.

not everybody likes this game as a shooter and get ambushed by anoying kids all the time.

and drive the ugly cars that R* put in mp

atleast give us a carspawner ! like the car selector 1.2

and let us mod are handling.dat again.

because the cars are handling realy bad and damn its slowmotion

[Psymn321]

I never play free mode, and often play games with 20/30 players just in a simple race. Who give a f*ck if free mode dies and takes the cheaters with it? More legitimate players who dont see the point in playing such a hackable game are waiting in the shadows to take their place.

 

And race only seems to be in slowmotion to you because you dont know how to drive. Ill record a race in a comet and you can tell me if you think its slow KK?

[Clan evil]

lol you make a horse laf dude !

 

fast ! lol realy i drive the sh*t before your eyes when i have handling.dat done

 

i now that you only wanted to get a reply against me because your a mod hater .

 

because what you said make no sence to allot of people !

[RedDawg]

I never play free mode, and often play games with 20/30 players just in a simple race. Who give a f*ck if free mode dies and takes the cheaters with it?

A lot of people care dumbass, lol, just because you don't like something doesn't mean it ain't any good.

 

All you anti-mod queers seem like real blockheads because it's been explained a myriad different ways and you geniuses still can't grasp the concept. Oh well, luckily I know it's just poor cognitive reasoning on your part so I don't hate you for it, but I sure wish you people would start using your noggin for something besides a hat rack.

[Psymn321]

Dude, i see the appeal of modding sp. But in the context of mp, those mods become cheats due to the way they are implemented. Thats a real basic concept that has been with gaming since the first games were invented.

 

 

And before you judge me in any way, i see the appeal of being, by far the fastest car in a race, or the only car that is able to fly, or spawning a ramp in-front of people, or making myself invincible, or shooting rockets out my ass, i just dont do it then try to say its a fair and reasonable thing to do because that is an indefensible position for obvious reasons.

 

You have to accept that in any other game, with dedicated servers, your gaming 'style' would be unwelcome in 99% of game servers, regardless of how a couple of nobs vocalise their f*cking stupid ideas about what a game 'should be' rather than what it was made to be.

Edited March 25, 2009 by Psymn321

[mkey82]

But in the context of mp, those mods become cheats due to the way they are implemented.

They become cheats only when lamers use them to cheat. But they are in fact mods.

 

This issue would be non-existent if R* or MS or who ever would provide an "open-do-whatever-the-f*ck-you-want" multiplayer and a "mod-cheat-etc-free" mode.

 

And to all of those dumbasses claiming that R* shouldn't support modding in multiplayer - you are dumbasses. You see, it's not like GTA has never been modded in the past. In fact, the series has been modded to death, so R* shouldn't be that surprised GTA IV is getting modded also. If the game was any fun for me I would be writing scripts as we speak.

 

Anyway, this was a quick and dirty port, so lack of options in multiplayer is nothing surprising. And this is what it all comes down to. Lack of options in multiplayer.

[Psymn321]

Youre just talking sh*t, theres more game modes in this than any other game of this type i can think of...

 

And by you reasoning, aimbot is just a mod in CSS?, wallhack is just a mod in BF? so f*cking retarded words cant express

 

May i suggest that you are not bored of the game, your just a boring f*cker who gets a kick outa spoiling others experience.

 

Move along *edited due to mistype - this is the spelling mistake that is about to be referred to*

Edited March 25, 2009 by Psymn321

[mkey82]

Youre just talking sh*t, theres more game modes in this than any other game of this type i can think of...

 

And by you reasoning, aimbot is just a mod in CSS?, wallhack is just a mod in BF? so f*cking retarded words cant express

 

May i suggest that you are not bored of the game, your just a boring f*cker who gets a kick outa spoiling others experience.

 

Move alone

lol

 

move along, asshole.

 

If I and ten of my friends wanted to apply the god mod and equip the f*cking rocket launchers that fire 1000000 rounds per second and raise hell on a CLOSED (do you understand, moron!?!!) CLOSED server how are we cheating? If there's nobody but us there? Dumbass?

 

Learn to read and spell.