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Katalix

The worlds greatest military?

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The Roman Empire.

All of this on foot and armed with swords.

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Asoyfy37

The Russian or the Chinese army. The first has high quality, the second is just huge. The Israeli army is strong too, but I think that it is just too small to win a war against a country like the US, for example.

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Sanjeem
The Russian or the Chinese army. The first has high quality, the second is just huge. The Israeli army is strong too, but I think that it is just too small to win a war against a country like the US, for example.

Wait to Palestine want Israel extinct or do they just want to have part of the land which was once theirs?

 

My history on the two countries isn't too good.

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Kratos2000

China\Russia\US

British army is powerful too

and Israel looks strong too (c'mon how a little country can defeat egypt, lebanon, Syria and jordan in 10 days (or it was 8 correct me if i'm wrong)) but they are manipulated by the US and they are too small.

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iamanevilbastard

^It was Six, the Six Day War, wasn't it?

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Asoyfy37
The Russian or the Chinese army. The first has high quality, the second is just huge. The Israeli army is strong too, but I think that it is just too small to win a war against a country like the US, for example.

Wait to Palestine want Israel extinct or do they just want to have part of the land which was once theirs?

 

My history on the two countries isn't too good.

I see you dont like the Israeli army, probably because your view about it comes from what your media tells you, which is definetly not what is going on in the real areas. So first of all, the Israeli army ment to defend Israel from enemy countries, and stop the terrorists, like Hamas from ivating here. Second, these land wasnt a Palestinian country ever, so saying "My history on the two countries isn't too good" is make no sense. As I said, the Israeli army was very strong during "The Six Days War", when Israel won 4 countries, that were much stronger then Israel, yet somehow we managed to win. Now, Israel and Palestine (which is still not a country) are getting closer and closer to a peace, but since Abu Mazen lost his power to Hamas (by the way, no one but the Palestinians chose Hamas to be their goverment, kind of their fault if you ask me) the situation also get worse. Look, this topic is not about Israel and Palestine, it's only about military, and my opinion is that the Israeli army is good, we never lost any war (the Yom Kipur war was hard, but Israel won in the end). That said, now I can tell you that if the Palestinians have a strong leader who recognize Israel as a country, and we had a peacful situation with Palestine, then I would ready even to serv Palestine during my army serving. But this is far, very far from the current situation. And I hope that your views about the Israeli army didnt come from the television in Turkey, when they show scenes that are not even close to what is really hapening.

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Sanjeem

^^

 

Nice imfo thanks, my views are totally changed tounge.gif

It would be good if Israel and Palestinian territories could sort something out that was fair (Even though it woudn't be for Israel) that makes both happy.

 

Oh and about the six day war thing, That sounds Amazing icon14.gif

I was watching Dont Mess with the Zohan, (You've gotta watch it!) Zohans father was talking about thye war he was in that lasted only 6 days. But yeah Israeli army sounds strong to me.

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We should just fight wars on COD4 ph34r.gif

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Max
We should just fight wars on COD4 ph34r.gif

Please don't post at all in this section unless you're going to contribute to the debate at hand.

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D- Ice
The only thing Iraq has taught us is that occupations are difficult if not impossible to maintain without the support of the occupied people...

 

 

If that is the only thing it has taught you then your not paying attention, what about don't start illegal wars, don't allow politicians to corrupt intelligence agencies, don't used the same failed reconstruction plan that was used in post communist Russia and was an unmitigated failure, don't ignore conflicts of interest at the heart of the decision making process, don't marginalise dissenting departments, don't fall into the trap of thinking negative liberty is the ultimate solution that justifies torture, mass murder and a suspension of human rights, prosecute war criminals, obey the Geneva convention, the list goes on and on

Or simply IMO, if your doing a war against terrorism and promising an occupied people Liberty, Freedom and Democracy - spending billions to promote the election campaign of a known terrorist from the Dawa Jihadist Movement with ties to your sworn enemy Iran, and getting him elected, might not be the very best idea... confused.gif

 

The US army pretty much defeated the Iraqi Resistance (though winning hearts and minds is still a failure). They are now fighting a whole bunch of fighters from virtually every corner of the globe who want to see the US undermined one way or another.

I'm going to mention a scenein a TV show that's kind of relavent here and I think highlights an issue our forces face in the middle east. In Generation Kill, following a big shootout the US troops search the bodies of the men who ambushed them. They find a student ID on one of them. He was studying in Europe or something and had obviously joined the fight recently. It kind of made them ponder the whole point of what they were doing. Normal people were actually coming there to fight them. It sort of highlighted that they were no longer seen as liberators but foreign invaders, terrorists even, and that normal people felt an obligation to fight them.

 

In a documentary I watched ( I think it was called No End In Sight or something). It showed that politicians had ignored advice by top military brass to send much larger numbers of troops to Iraq in order to properly secure the place. There was also an organisation (ORHA I think) put in charge of advising them on what should be prioritised in terms of security. They were also ignored. For instance, there was lots of looting including a museum containing many priceless artifacts. Many businesses suffered. It was made clear to the government that this would need to be a priority but US troops were given orders not to interfere. So they had to sit by and watch looters tear the place apart. I think this went a long way to turning people in the middle east against us. All that was gaurded was the oil fields.

 

Actually loads of out of work Iraqi soldiers, in light of all the looting, offered to sign up at the time so they could provide some security to the people and stop the looting. They knew the people and were perfectly suited to this. They were turned away, again against the advice of top brass in the US military.

That sounds very interesting mate, I'd definately try watching that some time.

 

I was in Iraq most my life till about a couple years ago. The Americans were by far seen as liberators against a much larger evil before and during the initial invasion - despite the over ten thousand people killed in that operation including many of our best and brightest who were only following orders.

 

The looting chaos initially also didn't cause too much bad blood, nor the civil unrest following. I really don't think i can describe it in a post - or have time right now to properly try - but it's very similar to how you imagine a major US city after the whole government, rule of law and armed forces have all been crumbled and a much more technologically advanced and immensly huge foriegn invading force (you can imagine the Soviets maybe in the Cold War) started rolling in.

 

The thing which stirred bad blood was a mixture of the majority of American soldiers' ignorance, cruelty and well - culture clash. I know it will definately be a minority, but their impressions and actiona have long-lasting consiquences, and the kind understanding majority still often caused upset, anger and hatred by just unwittingly doing things seen highly offensive in our proud traditional culture - but seen as a mere joke in the US.

 

The second part was the violence was followed. With the Americans came countless other foriegners from every corner of the world. And again like the Americans, their ways often clashed with ours, but having been in sanctions for over twelve years previously and cut off from the rest of the world, we took that as being normal. We were becoming a cosmopolitan modern country.

 

These foriegners - later turned out to be mainly from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and Jordan - then started evicting people and forcibly taking their homes or living with them. The Americans did the exact same, except they often took already abandoned properties more.

 

These guys started fighting with the Americans in street battles at first, often joined by Iraqi resistance forces who were recruited disenfranchised youth. About half the people supported the US, the other half the so-called "Iraqi" resistance. Equal hate was directed at both as their gunbattles were leaving bulletholes and blasts that ruined properties and businesses and going outside your home became dangerous.

 

The elections came, and private armies of each political party started forcing anyone suspected of supporting opposition to stay in their homes - or worse. The election stirred more hatred as it was a complete scam - and much worse than Saddam would have ever done. His Amin (Intelligence/Political Police), would simply gaurd the ballot boxes and single-party voting forms, they never really bullied people or dishonour them - you simply disappeared if you did otherwise. If you do as your told, you can still live a relatively normal life without threat.

 

Anyway, a pro-Iranian party who are constantly distancing themselves from the US who helped bring them to power is now in charge. Private armies of political parties are still rampant, but the government is unwilling to do anything about them as those parties make up the ruling coalition, and these people helped bring them to power. The Islamists' agenda became clear - rather than to help Iraq, they want to just undermine the US regardless of how many Iraqi innocents get murdered - infact often their actics involve just blowing up as much women and children just to show the world the US is failing to make Iraq safe. This lost them indiginous Iraqi support, and their old Iraqi allies have made Awakening councils who are actually fighting them and trying to spread awareness, though some Iraqi psychotic degenerates and retards are still helping them out. They lost in their open guerilla warfare and so have gone underground. Thei tactics are still killing over 100 Iraqi innocents for every 1 US soldier - though killing US soldiers and saving Iraqis are not their objective as I said earlier.

 

Now Iran has a very similar agenda to them, and despite the Iraqi government's stance against them, they had a massive sh*t-fit when the US caught some Iranian intelligence and military advisers inside Iraq - some collaborating with these Islamists - to force the US to release them. Funny how they never made such a massive fuss when Blackwater murdered 17 of their own citizens, but when five Iranian intelligence officials are caught doing deals with Al Qaeda...

 

I personally believe the current staunchily pro-Iranian Iraq government is taking orders directly from Iran, who control, equip and train the militias who help keep the different parties in the ruling coalition in power using less than democractic means. This explains the Iraqi governments lack of decisive action against the violence (it makes the US look bad and Iran happy), how they don't recognise these private armies/militias and their progressive distancing from the US.

 

That is basically all I've witnessed, experienced and think of the crrent situation there. I tried summarising it as much as possible, but sorry it's such a massive rant. If any of you you have any comments or questions, please PM me guys. I feel this is all a bit too offtopic here, and also so I can reply to you ASAP as I'll get an email notification.

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tubbs51

right now ill have to say israel. their constantly at the cutting edge of military tech and equipment. plus eversinse the nation was reestablished any person that tried to beat the Israelites failed even when the odds were stacked against Israel. Maybe they have god behind them who knows.

 

WWII era id have to say a tie between the US and the Nazis. both were powerfull and experieanced.

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