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The worlds greatest military?

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bobgtafan
America. We've won;

Against England Twice

Cuba

A few questions:

 

What was the second victory against England? Also what have we won against Cuba?

What do they teach you kids in school today? confused.gif Anyway in the War of 1812 England tried to reconquer the United States and even burned down D.C but we drove back to Canada through Detriot.

That isn't how it went. The War of 1812 was an act of aggression on the Americans part, they decided they wanted Canada for a multitude of reasons (trade restrictions etc). Upon attacking Canada, the Americans were repelled and attacked.

 

I don't know how you got that mixed up.

The war of 1812 was also about Britain capturing U.S. sailors and forcing them to join the British navy. Don't blame it all on the U.S.

That was the excuse to invade Canada . If you pay attention to history you would realise that country's always use petty excuses to invade other country's.

Yep! Anyway in the end none of the British demands were meet and American gained more fishing rights and a more powerful place on the world stage. To bad we didn't get Canada though. And yes we won. Don't get mad at history baby! tounge.gif

I thought we already covered this, it was a draw and ultimately a failure on the American's part, because they arrogantly assumed they could walk into Canada unopposed and greeted as liberators.

Britan failed to make us look bad so we win cuz in the end who is the stronger nation who saved britans ass? Yea I said it. tounge.gif

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Tobias Fünke

Ok. History lesson here. The British were fighting Napoleon in Europe. James Madison realized this, and invaded Canada, using Impressment as an excuse. The Canadians drove us out of Canada. No one won... that's a draw.

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Struff Bunstridge

Topic, anyone?

 

Actually, f*ck it. The original question was so pointless, you might as well continue. So the US tried to invade Canada, and the Canadians f*cked them off? Sounds like a big loss to me.

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El Zilcho

Saved there ass? Of course you did, most immature idea I've ever heard, helped maybe, but never saved anyone's ass but your own. And the US wasn't exactly at any risk, were they? No bombers could reach them, and the only US civilian casualties would have been Pearl Harbor and about 5 children died when a Japanese balloon bomb reached it's target, while Britain was at the direct risk of invasion, and the bombings of the Blitz were catastrophic. It's a ridiculous notion to say that, one of idiotic, and stupidly blind patriotism. And America and the UK are allies, why argue who saved who? If anything, they worked together to save the world from the fascist threat.

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Tobias Fünke

 

Topic, anyone?

 

Actually, f*ck it. The original question was so pointless, you might as well continue. So the US tried to invade Canada, and the Canadians f*cked them off? Sounds like a big loss to me.

No territory was lost. The only major outcome of the war was that the US was more respected. Which is pretty damn surprising, because we got beaten by Canada.

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D- Ice
America. We've won;

Against England Twice

Cuba

A few questions:

 

What was the second victory against England? Also what have we won against Cuba?

What do they teach you kids in school today? confused.gif Anyway in the War of 1812 England tried to reconquer the United States and even burned down D.C but we drove back to Canada through Detriot.

That isn't how it went. The War of 1812 was an act of aggression on the Americans part, they decided they wanted Canada for a multitude of reasons (trade restrictions etc). Upon attacking Canada, the Americans were repelled and attacked.

 

I don't know how you got that mixed up.

The war of 1812 was also about Britain capturing U.S. sailors and forcing them to join the British navy. Don't blame it all on the U.S.

That was the excuse to invade Canada . If you pay attention to history you would realise that country's always use petty excuses to invade other country's.

Yep! Anyway in the end none of the British demands were meet and American gained more fishing rights and a more powerful place on the world stage. To bad we didn't get Canada though. And yes we won. Don't get mad at history baby! tounge.gif

I thought we already covered this, it was a draw and ultimately a failure on the American's part, because they arrogantly assumed they could walk into Canada unopposed and greeted as liberators.

Britan failed to make us look bad so we win cuz in the end who is the stronger nation who saved britans ass? Yea I said it. tounge.gif

Wow, you guys realise that all happened like 200 years ago? You seriously think that's a valuable source to prove whose the strongest military?

 

And it is obviously the US Military - even if they "Lose" wars in terms of demands and political aims, they always manage to kill a lot more of the enemy and cause a lot more damage to their infastructure - thus in term holding them decades behind and thus dooming them to failure - ie Vietnam/North Korea.

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bobgtafan

 

America. We've won;

Against England Twice

Cuba

A few questions:

 

What was the second victory against England? Also what have we won against Cuba?

What do they teach you kids in school today? confused.gif Anyway in the War of 1812 England tried to reconquer the United States and even burned down D.C but we drove back to Canada through Detriot.

That isn't how it went. The War of 1812 was an act of aggression on the Americans part, they decided they wanted Canada for a multitude of reasons (trade restrictions etc). Upon attacking Canada, the Americans were repelled and attacked.

 

I don't know how you got that mixed up.

The war of 1812 was also about Britain capturing U.S. sailors and forcing them to join the British navy. Don't blame it all on the U.S.

That was the excuse to invade Canada . If you pay attention to history you would realise that country's always use petty excuses to invade other country's.

Yep! Anyway in the end none of the British demands were meet and American gained more fishing rights and a more powerful place on the world stage. To bad we didn't get Canada though. And yes we won. Don't get mad at history baby! tounge.gif

I thought we already covered this, it was a draw and ultimately a failure on the American's part, because they arrogantly assumed they could walk into Canada unopposed and greeted as liberators.

Britan failed to make us look bad so we win cuz in the end who is the stronger nation who saved britans ass? Yea I said it. tounge.gif

Wow, you guys realise that all happened like 200 years ago? You seriously think that's a valuable source to prove whose the strongest military?

 

And it is obviously the US Military - even if they "Lose" wars in terms of demands and political aims, they always manage to kill a lot more of the enemy and cause a lot more damage to their infastructure - thus in term holding them decades behind and thus dooming them to failure - ie Vietnam/North Korea.

tounge.gif Yea D-Ice is right lets just forget about how America won the war of 1812 and conciedtrate on how America is the greatest in all most every way to today! GOD BLESS AMERICA!+ and canada too....what would we do with out our hat?

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Tobias Fünke

I really, really think you're trolling.

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Playstation_Loyalist
I really, really think you're trolling.

Amen to that.

 

I know it's a draw in 1812.

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bobgtafan
I really, really think you're trolling.

Amen to that.

 

I know it's a draw in 1812.

I'm not trolling. But if you think it ws draw (cough lie cough) it makes no differnece because in the end America still has the best military in history so... tounge.gif

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CHOOKOKABRA
I really, really think you're trolling.

Amen to that.

 

I know it's a draw in 1812.

I'm not trolling. But if you think it ws draw (cough lie cough) it makes no differnece because in the end America still has the best military in history so... tounge.gif

If faced with a large scale conventional war, the modern US military trumps all competition.

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Max
I really, really think you're trolling.

Amen to that.

 

I know it's a draw in 1812.

I'm not trolling. But if you think it ws draw (cough lie cough) it makes no differnece because in the end America still has the best military in history so... tounge.gif

If faced with a large scale conventional war, the modern US military trumps all competition.

I doubt that. If it came down to a global conventional war the sheer size of the Chinese and Russian military would probably win through; and contrary to what people would have you believe, the vast state wealth of China and Russia means their troops are not the untrained rabble they often were during the Cold War.

 

The armies or both those nations are on the whole well equipped and trained, Russia's ageing hardware was revealed in the Georgian War last August, however the Kremlin has since committed to a massive re-arming program to modernise the Russian military.

 

America may spend the most on it's defence and, along with the British Army and Israeli Defence Force is at the cutting edge of military technology however the limited size of western Armies means that in a strictly conventional conflict the weight of numbers would probably prove too much for the smaller, more professional armies of the West.

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CHOOKOKABRA

Well if the Six Day War taught us anything it's that large numbers of troops and equipment wont always win you a war. Israel had the better airforce(US supplied), better pilots and top of the line military equipment (US supplied) against a arab coalition that in theory SHOULD have crushed Israel like a empty soda can.

 

It comes down to what would the situation be for The US to clash with another super power. If it were the US invading say, China (bad idea) then of course China has the advantage. That can go for any other large modern nation. The US just should not invade people, unless of course it has the full support of the civilians being invaded.

 

Give me this at least, no one country could successfully invade the US in the modern era. Any axis of advance into continental US territory is doomed to failure.

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bobgtafan
I really, really think you're trolling.

Amen to that.

 

I know it's a draw in 1812.

I'm not trolling. But if you think it ws draw (cough lie cough) it makes no differnece because in the end America still has the best military in history so... tounge.gif

If faced with a large scale conventional war, the modern US military trumps all competition.

I doubt that. If it came down to a global conventional war the sheer size of the Chinese and Russian military would probably win through; and contrary to what people would have you believe, the vast state wealth of China and Russia means their troops are not the untrained rabble they often were during the Cold War.

 

The armies or both those nations are on the whole well equipped and trained, Russia's ageing hardware was revealed in the Georgian War last August, however the Kremlin has since committed to a massive re-arming program to modernise the Russian military.

 

America may spend the most on it's defence and, along with the British Army and Israeli Defence Force is at the cutting edge of military technology however the limited size of western Armies means that in a strictly conventional conflict the weight of numbers would probably prove too much for the smaller, more professional armies of the West.

Even though the Russians and Chinese have large numbers they have old weapons and little to no air support. The U.S would win easily.

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Tobias Fünke

 

I really, really think you're trolling.

Amen to that.

 

I know it's a draw in 1812.

I'm not trolling. But if you think it ws draw (cough lie cough) it makes no differnece because in the end America still has the best military in history so... tounge.gif

If faced with a large scale conventional war, the modern US military trumps all competition.

I doubt that. If it came down to a global conventional war the sheer size of the Chinese and Russian military would probably win through; and contrary to what people would have you believe, the vast state wealth of China and Russia means their troops are not the untrained rabble they often were during the Cold War.

 

The armies or both those nations are on the whole well equipped and trained, Russia's ageing hardware was revealed in the Georgian War last August, however the Kremlin has since committed to a massive re-arming program to modernise the Russian military.

 

America may spend the most on it's defence and, along with the British Army and Israeli Defence Force is at the cutting edge of military technology however the limited size of western Armies means that in a strictly conventional conflict the weight of numbers would probably prove too much for the smaller, more professional armies of the West.

Even though the Russians and Chinese have large numbers they have old weapons and little to no air support. The U.S would win easily.

You are aware that China and Russia have the second and third largest air force in the world?

 

The main problem with the US military is that it relies too much and technology. If a huge error occurred during a major battle the US military would pretty much be f*cked while it wouldn't be a major setback for China or Russia.

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Mad Tony

If the US (and NATO) were to go to war with China and Russia, nobody would win, even if no nuclear weapons were involved.

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bobgtafan
If the US (and NATO) were to go to war with China and Russia, nobody would win, even if no nuclear weapons were involved.

Wow man that was really f*cking deep. dozingoff.gif But seriously you havn't seen half the size of Americas conventional war arsenal. Why? Because we havn't fought a "convential war" with a superpower in a while. We've been fighting car bombers and tree dwellers ( lol). If you think America with 50 percent of it's military budget ,which is still much larger than Russia and China's combined, thats spent on only convential wars with much higher grade weaponary all around can't stop those two then you need a reality check.

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General Goose

While America may have the best tech, Russia and China have pretty good tech, high numbers of vehicles, weapons and soldiers and a very well trained army.

 

It'd be disastrous for both sides, and there is no clear winner.

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Mad Tony
If the US (and NATO) were to go to war with China and Russia, nobody would win, even if no nuclear weapons were involved.

Wow man that was really f*cking deep. dozingoff.gif But seriously you havn't seen half the size of Americas conventional war arsenal. Why? Because we havn't fought a "convential war" with a superpower in a while. We've been fighting car bombers and tree dwellers ( lol). If you think America with 50 percent of it's military budget ,which is still much larger than Russia and China's combined, thats spent on only convential wars with much higher grade weaponary all around can't stop those two then you need a reality check.

China and Russia combined outnumber the US on pretty much every field. Sure, their soldiers aren't as well trained or well equipped but that doesn't mean they're not going to do any damage. Know why the Germans lost on the Eastern front in WWII? Because the Russians outnumbered them by ridiculous numbers. I'm not even saying the US would loose, I'm just saying both sides would come out pretty badly and there'd be no winner. Be realistic for once.

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CHOOKOKABRA

ah but alot of our own military was built to fight the russian horde (Abrams & Apache just to name the big ones) . And our equipment has proven about a dozen times that numbers dont count for anything, its all about making sure every shot counts, in a conventional war anyway. And some of the stuff you see on tv about weapons in development, while obviously a propaganda attempt, show that our military minds are still focused on taking on a conventional war(anti tank weaponry and weapons that make cluster bombs seem like sparklers and dont even get me started on our obsession with anti air weapons)

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Omnia sunt Communia

It's quantity over quality in the field of war.

 

Imagine this: You're a soldier with a most up-to-date equipment known to man. You're on your own against ten ill-equipped, low grade soldiers (that's pretty much how China outnumbers America). Sure, you may be able to take down the first one, even the second; third if you're lucky. But sooner or later you're going to be overcome by the other seven or so soldiers you didn't have time to shoot.

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bobgtafan
It's quantity over quality in the field of war.

 

Imagine this: You're a soldier with a most up-to-date equipment known to man. You're on your own against ten ill-equipped, low grade soldiers (that's pretty much how China outnumbers America). Sure, you may be able to take down the first one, even the second; third if you're lucky. But sooner or later you're going to be overcome by the other seven or so soldiers you didn't have time to shoot.

Tell that to the Indians man.

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Omnia sunt Communia
Tell that to the Indians man.

Which Indians are you talking about? Because knowing you it's some outdated war that has no relevance to modern warfare.

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bobgtafan
Tell that to the Indians man.

Which Indians are you talking about? Because knowing you it's some outdated war that has no relevance to modern warfare.

Hey look the point of that comment was to say that the Indains had the numbers and the White men had the guns. Guess who f***ing won. Now China and Russia have the numbers. And America has MUCH better guns, better training, and a better military. Guess who wins again my friend? tounge.gif Now if China and Russia tried to invade the U.S they would lose. If the U.S tried to invade China or Russia we would lose. Even if two parties tried to conquer one of them they would still lose. And the nation that they tried to conquer would have causitilies but would win. Also the reason the Germans lost was because of the Winter though numbers also played a factor.

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Mad Tony

The Russians and the Chinese have guns too. dozingoff.gif

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Omnia sunt Communia
The Russians and the Chinese have guns too. dozingoff.gif

Yes, but as always Mad Tony, bobgtafan is referencing a war that has no relevance in the field of modern warfare.

 

Do you think the Americans would of won against the Indians if they had guns too? One American soldier against ten Chinese soldiers is bound to work in the Chinese soldiers' favour. Now consider that is how the Chinese outnumber America right now, who do you think would win?

 

And you were quick enough to jump on Mad Tony's bandwagon about "nobody winning", weren't you? You seem to be retracting all of your arguements now that you've been proven to be a complete and utter idiot.

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bobgtafan, I suggest you investigate the equipment and training of the Russian and Chinese forces, they're really not the hordes of wildmen waving pointy sticks you seem to imagine.

 

They, infact, sport some quite considerable military hardware, not to mention the harsh training regime of both nations produces some veery determined and deadly soldiers, they're not encouraged to be 'thinking' soldiers like modern western Armies, but they are taught to be disciplined, persistent and expendable. That's a potent combination.

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bobgtafan, I suggest you investigate the equipment and training of the Russian and Chinese forces, they're really not the hordes of wildmen waving pointy sticks you seem to imagine.

 

They, infact, sport some quite considerable military hardware, not to mention the harsh training regime of both nations produces some veery determined and deadly soldiers, they're not encouraged to be 'thinking' soldiers like modern western Armies, but they are taught to be disciplined, persistent and expendable. That's a potent combination.

O yeah I really said that the Chinese and Russians have sticks to fight with. sarcasm.gif

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Mad Tony

Pretty much. You brought up the colonization of America and how even though the settlers were outnumbered, they managed to defeat the native Americans because they had guns and the natives didn't. Now tell me, what relevance does this have to a hypothetical war between the United States and Russia and China?

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darthYENIK

Not saying that I agree with this Bob guy, but many of the Native Americans had guns as well.

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