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Katalix

The worlds greatest military?

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Katalix

First off, before I even start writing about this, let me say. This topic is not meant to be racist, so lets keep it that way.

 

 

Who do you think had/has the worlds greatest military power, and why?

 

I would think the Roman Empire for their time period, just because they ruled for so long, and the stuff I read about them. They were some serious badasses, were they not?

 

I would also think Nazi Germany. And no, I'm not some neo-nazi, worshipping Adolf Hitler. That's just my opinion, because they came so close to taking over the world, and even some of the nazi's training was to raise a puppy and then kill it. Even though they failed, in my eyes they were tough.

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I would say the Red Army of the Soviet Union. Training in the harsh environments made them tough. Plus,(and I am no communist, I hate communism) they fought as one, making them a pretty solid unified force. Plus, even though they took massive casualties, they were able to defend their country against the Nazis, (with the help of Mother Nature, of course) which is pretty impressive.

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Katalix
I would say the Red Army of the Soviet Union. Training in the harsh environments made them tough. Plus,(and I am no communist, I hate communism) they fought as one, making them a pretty solid unified force. Plus, even though they took massive casualties, they were able to defend their country against the Nazis, (with the help of Mother Nature, of course) which is pretty impressive.

I agree with you, but I don't think without the help of America they would have succeeded. But yes, they were quite strict, considering how they would SHOOT their soldiers who tried to flee the battlefield.

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and even some of the nazi's training was to raise a puppy and then kill it. Even though they failed, in my eyes they were tough.

I highly doubt that's true. Regardless, yes the Nazis had impressive military might. One on one, they were seperior to any military force, although the British managed to stand up to them almost alone for a time.

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Katalix
and even some of the nazi's training was to raise a puppy and then kill it. Even though they failed, in my eyes they were tough.

I highly doubt that's true. Regardless, yes the Nazis had impressive military might. One on one, they were seperior to any military force, although the British managed to stand up to them almost alone for a time.

Ahh yes, the British did have quite an impressive military force. They still do now. It was also a brave move to send troops over to the Middle East to help the war against terror.

 

Also, I heard somewhere that that was part of the Nazi's training. Forgive me if I am wrong, and the source tounge.gif

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Nikofan112
I would say the Red Army of the Soviet Union. Training in the harsh environments made them tough. Plus,(and I am no communist, I hate communism) they fought as one, making them a pretty solid unified force. Plus, even though they took massive casualties, they were able to defend their country against the Nazis, (with the help of Mother Nature, of course) which is pretty impressive.

I agree with you, but I don't think without the help of America they would have succeeded. But yes, they were quite strict, considering how they would SHOOT their soldiers who tried to flee the battlefield.

Didn't all armies do that? I mean, going AWOL is bad, bit doing it in battle is just reprehensible.

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I would say the Red Army of the Soviet Union. Training in the harsh environments made them tough. Plus,(and I am no communist, I hate communism) they fought as one, making them a pretty solid unified force. Plus, even though they took massive casualties, they were able to defend their country against the Nazis, (with the help of Mother Nature, of course) which is pretty impressive.

I agree with you, but I don't think without the help of America they would have succeeded. But yes, they were quite strict, considering how they would SHOOT their soldiers who tried to flee the battlefield.

Didn't all armies do that? I mean, going AWOL is bad, bit doing it in battle is just reprehensible.

The soviets shot a soldier who disrespected a superior officer too. That's what the Commisars were for.

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Katalix
I would say the Red Army of the Soviet Union. Training in the harsh environments made them tough. Plus,(and I am no communist, I hate communism) they fought as one, making them a pretty solid unified force. Plus, even though they took massive casualties, they were able to defend their country against the Nazis, (with the help of Mother Nature, of course) which is pretty impressive.

I agree with you, but I don't think without the help of America they would have succeeded. But yes, they were quite strict, considering how they would SHOOT their soldiers who tried to flee the battlefield.

Didn't all armies do that? I mean, going AWOL is bad, bit doing it in battle is just reprehensible.

Most armies did do that back then. But from what I heard and read, the Russians were more strict about going AWOL because they were the underdogs to Nazi Germany. If you ran back at all, bam. Dead.

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Also, I heard somewhere that that was part of the Nazi's training. Forgive me if I am wrong, and the source tounge.gif

It's most likely bull sh*t.

 

My grandmother remembers them (the Nazis) coming to her village and playing with her sheep.

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Katalix
Also, I heard somewhere that that was part of the Nazi's training. Forgive me if I am wrong, and the source tounge.gif

It's most likely bull sh*t.

 

My grandmother remembers them (the Nazis) coming to her village and playing with her sheep.

The Nazi stereotype can be bad. I remember reading a book in the 6th grade about how terrible the Nazi's were. They were not all bad people. Most were drafted, everyone has some good inside them.

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Dingdongs

I completely agree, Nazi stereotypes are common, just like communist stereotypes, black stereotypes..

Not all were like that, most in those in the armed forces didn't hate jews etc and just wanted to serve Germany.

 

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makeshyft

The USA leads the world in military expenditures. It's a dangerous route to take, as imperialism has proven itself damaging in the past. Italy, then England, now the US.

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Wheelman
Ahh yes, the British did have quite an impressive military force. They still do now. It was also a brave move to send troops over to the Middle East to help the unprovoked invasion of Iraq.

Lol, I beg to differ regarding the UK armed forces.

 

No disrespect to the guys and girls in uniform, of course - I'm referring to the funding, equipment procurement, and the support and treatment of members of the armed forces.

 

We're desperately short on helicopters (*cough*Chinooks*cough*) & aircraft, in terms of manpower we've been horribly overstretched for many years. Our three aircraft carriers can only carry the increasingly outdated Harrier, and one of them is now in the reserve fleet. The two new big replacement carriers will obviously be several years late and masisvely over budget. The order for the new destroyers has been cut back, I think we're only getting six now.

 

Britain's ability to project force and defensive power around the world is less than ever before. I doubt we could defend the Falklands again even if this useless, criminal government had the resolve - they'd rather spend their time and money on mass surveillance and databases about our every movement at home.

 

On topic about the best military ever, yes it was probably the Romans. Quite a strong, secure empire they had (until it fell, obviously), but most of all I think it was the level of organisation they brought to everywhere they went. We tend to think of militaries as organised things today, but back in Roman times it seems a lot of the stuff they introduced was totally groundbreaking, and had never even come close to being done elsewhere.

 

Mind you, I haven't done Roman history since junior school, so don't quote me on that. tounge.gif

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Katalix

On topic about the best military ever, yes it was probably the Romans. Quite a strong, secure empire they had (until it fell, obviously), but most of all I think it was the level of organisation they brought to everywhere they went. We tend to think of militaries as organised things today, but back in Roman times it seems a lot of the stuff they introduced was totally groundbreaking, and had never even come close to being done elsewhere.

 

Mind you, I haven't done Roman history since junior school, so don't quote me on that. tounge.gif

Quoted. smile.gif

 

But yes, the Romans did have some groundbreaking technology that they created back then. Even though most of their Emperors went crazy Ex: Nero, they still stood powerful within the Empire.

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K^2
I agree with you, but I don't think without the help of America they would have succeeded. But yes, they were quite strict, considering how they would SHOOT their soldiers who tried to flee the battlefield.

Soviets have stopped Nazi advance and started pushing back long before US troops arrived. By June of 1944, Soviets have already pushed German forces out of Soviet territory.

 

The reason why German advance was so rapid early on is because Stalin was preparing a preemptive strike against Germany. With that goal in mind, Soviets were gathering provisions, ammunitions, planes, transport, and other equipment near the western borders of Soviet Union. Trains were being prepared within Soviet territory to deliver hundreds of thousands of troops to the border within within several days of each other to allow for a surprise attack against German forces. Stalin thought that Soviet Union could then be the "Liberator" of Europe, and establish Socialist governments in all its countries. When Germany struck first, they have destroyed or looted most of that equipment.

 

It took Soviet Union almost a year to manufacture enough equipment to start defending effectively. When in 1942 Soviet forces have stopped German attack on Moscow, the German advance was essentially over, and Soviets began pushing them back. With the huge resources of metals and oil in Eastern Russia, and with German resources already depleting, Russia would have been able to wear out Germany regardless of anything else. It might have taken longer, and loss of life would have been far, far greater, but Soviet Union was not in any way threatened from summer of 1942 and on.

 

The true significance of the US involvement in the end of WWII in Europe is the fact that the Europe ended up divided. Without support from US, it is likely that UK would have fallen to German attacks. Soviet forces would then without a doubt continue on after taking Berlin and capture most of Europe, fulfilling Stalin's vision for that war. Even without fall of UK that would likely happen, though, UK would probably be left alone. The real outcome was Yalta Conference and division of influences. Soviet Union effectively expanded by addition of satellite countries to the Soviet Block, and the Western Europe was rebuilt under US/British influence.

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I would say the Red Army of the Soviet Union. Training in the harsh environments made them tough. Plus,(and I am no communist, I hate communism) they fought as one, making them a pretty solid unified force. Plus, even though they took massive casualties, they were able to defend their country against the Nazis, (with the help of Mother Nature, of course) which is pretty impressive.

I would disagree here. The red army was tough, no doubt, and brave as hell. But they were poorly equipped, poorly trained and oftentimes poorly led. The red army took massively disproportionate losses because of these factors. Had it been a modernized, properly trained force(a "great military") then nobody would have stood a chance with Russia. This problem has always plagued Russia though because of its size and the difficulties in mobilization/communication.

 

Stalin basically paved his way to victory with the corpses of his own people. I think the world's greatest military should be judged mostly on the effectiveness of it's average units/leadership and not on the surplus of conscripts that can be sacrificed in human-wave tactics.

 

I would say the greatest military in the history of humanity was the hordes Ghengis Khan controlled at the peak of his empire. They defeated pretty much any other military force that was worth mentioning at the time. Europe wasn't even a big priority for them and they still f*cked up most of Eastern Europe.

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Neal40000

Probably ide say the roman army, overall in the roman empire period they achieved so so much, they basically created everything we use today (from turtle shielding to now tanks, fighting mechanisms (first row first for a minute then, second row in first whilst second rest) they were amazingly clever.

 

and if anyone says the british army or american army they are saying the roman army, because romans took over britain who then made the US, (so realy the US relates down to the romans)... BUT WAIT THERE NEAL ! romans decend from greece, which means the greek are the best army ?

 

its all so confusing, but at this point in time ide say the united states.

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Probably ide say the roman army, overall in the roman empire period they achieved so so much, they basically created everything we use today (from turtle shielding to now tanks, fighting mechanisms (first row first for a minute then, second row in first whilst second rest) they were amazingly clever.

 

and if anyone says the british army or american army they are saying the roman army, because romans took over britain who then made the US, (so realy the US relates down to the romans)... BUT WAIT THERE NEAL ! romans decend from greece, which means the greek are the best army ?

 

its all so confusing, but at this point in time ide say the united states.

Just because something is founded or preceeds something, doesn't mean it is directly an improvement on it. Really, it is actually an evolution and constant change. The Greeks were hardly anything like the Romans, but some core principles influenced them. And Britain became what it is due to the several invasions, Celts, Romans, Saxons, Normans. And even then, the thousands of years of technology, wars and training mouled the armies to what they were, so modern armed forces (although perhaps tactically) physically don't really take everything from them. But I get where you are coming from.

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Neal40000

I guess we should be looking at it in a sort of ..

 

"Who was the commander of this army ?

What time in age was it ?

etc.."

 

rather than how i put it. but yeah ide say the era of ceasar ruling the roman army was the greatest army like i said in my previous post.

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Katalix
I guess we should be looking at it in a sort of ..

 

"Who was the commander of this army ?

What time in age was it ?

etc.."

 

rather than how i put it. but yeah ide say the era of ceasar ruling the roman army was the greatest army like i said in my previous post.

*Nodnod* Agree.

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33stradale

I nominate Israel for the moment, because now that America's liberal again... they're the only (worth-while) army left that's willing to get off their asses and do some work!

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Katalix

Well, considering how American troops have the Middle East are MOSTLY under control there's not much to do? This is from a civilians point of view so excuse me if I am wrong to any of you veterans out there tounge.gif.

 

But considering the point that Israel is fighting for the Gaza Strip or something or other, yea, they're pretty high on my list now too that I think about it!

 

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Well, considering how American troops have the Middle East are MOSTLY under control there's not much to do? This is from a civilians point of view so excuse me if I am wrong to any of you veterans out there tounge.gif.

 

But considering the point that Israel is fighting for the Gaza Strip or something or other, yea, they're pretty high on my list now too that I think about it!

 

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Yeaah, you support the idf they're good people! icon14.gif

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Wheelman
Yeaah, you support the idf they're good people! icon14.gif

Sorry, my sarcasm meter is broken. Are you being serious or taking the piss?

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Yeaah, you support the idf they're good people! icon14.gif

Sorry, my sarcasm meter is broken. Are you being serious or taking the piss?

''Lolezltov'' is a play on mozletov... my humour's of the jewish kind but i'm completely serious when it comes to gathering support for Zoinism

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I nominate Israel for the moment, because now that America's liberal again... they're the only (worth-while) army left that's willing to get off their asses and do some work!

Yes, the "liberal" Obama and his team and the Democratic Congress are openly hostile to Israel and it's interests. Righto. biggrin.gif

 

 

Sorry, my sarcasm meter is broken. Are you being serious or taking the piss?

 

It did sound pretty ironic, especially considering the weighty allegations about the conduct of the IDF during the siege of Gaza coming from within Israel during the past few days.

Edited by jimmy.

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Max

I would say that the training of a British Army Officer is some of the best in the world. This is supported by the fact many countries send their most promising officers to Sandhurst to recieve the top class leadership and man management specialist training on offer at Sandhurst.

 

I think Sandhurst is at least on a par with West Point in terms of the calibre of officers it produces and I'm proud to say I'll be taking up my place at Sandhurst in late 2012/2013. smile.gif

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Neal40000

crap, guys, were forgetting about the SPETSNAZ , the russian super-special-secret-forces. although i said the romans and ceasar time, and the US army for modern, ive changed my mind, im saying SPETSNAZ at this moment in time are best.

 

its a long story explaining them, but if anyone knows about them i think they will agree, these guys are trained to be able to do all kinds of crazy stuff, there like the russian version of the british SAS, exept not air-service, but more "quickly getting sh*t sorted out service whilst no-ones looking service".

 

 

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Katalix
crap, guys, were forgetting about the SPETSNAZ , the russian super-special-secret-forces.

Super-Russian-Secret-Power-Ranger-Forces.

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okei

Burkina Faso currently has the best military in the world. They don't use firearms, they use sticks and stones.

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