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Ultraussie

Solution: Charge for healthcare so more people die of accidents more often.

Soultion 2: Dont have unprotected sex.

Solution 3: Secretly kill 45% of the Elderly population off. Also solves the ageing poupulation thing.

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Solution: Charge for healthcare so more people die of accidents more often.

Soultion 2: Dont have unprotected sex.

Solution 3: Secretly kill 45% of the Elderly population off. Also solves the ageing poupulation thing.

Don't have kids.

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HolyGrenadeFrenzy
Space colonization.

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Space colonization.

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IT WAS MY IDEA FIRST IN MY HEAD! lol

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Clem Fandango
Over-population? [...] To help the issue we need a more conservative stance on immigration

Theconcern with overpopulation is resource depletion, so strict anti-immigration laws are impotent.

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There is no over population problem. If anything, we need to have more kids.

 

 

This is actually something that drives me crazy, as in I couldn't fully explain it unless I could talk to you personally about it. People who think the world is horrifyingly overpopulated and that desperate measures must be taken aren't seeing the truth. The only people who moan about over population are first world white people, who live in a land of plentiful resources and dangerously low birth rates. Meanwhile people in the third world, with no resources or money, breed like rabbits.

 

The birth rate in the industrialized world is generally below 2, which is below replacement rate, as in if we had no immigration we would go extinct. This presents a huge problem, something the governments often try to curb with tax incentives to breed. Our population ages and our numbers dwindle, as does the tax base, there won't be any money to prop up our government or society. People (as in everyone I know) make this problem worse by assuming that we are teeming with babies and that everybody needs to go get sterilized.

 

As conditions improve in the third world, their birth rate should stabilize too. The global population should curve around 9 billion, which is manageable. Any birth rate below 2 is a bad thing though, The German Government could tell you that.

Also I forgot to mention in my last post, resources on Earth are not being used efficiently. My example of the third world - they are being made to plant agriculturally-intensive useless crap like pineapples to sell to us for rip-off prices, while the land can be easily used to grow agriculturally-extensive and much more productive cereal crops to feed them all easily.

 

I believe the problem - which is presenting the symptoms of loads of starving people due to lack of resources in poor countries - is this along with what I said in my previous post.

 

Also, with wars and the military and profit-based corporation's grip on some of the best intellectual minds this world has produced - the most intellegent people are being used to find new ways of killing other people, or make the already rich as f*ck companies richer still. Then there is all the lost opportunities of all those geniuses who just happen to be born to one of the 80% of the population in poor countries doomed to relatively menial, low-paid jobs just to survive - or even the lower socio-economic classes in rich countries who go on to an equally hopeless future.

 

Can't all this potential be used to enhance available crops by selective breeding or genetically to feed more people? Maybe new sources of food - especially starch - can be discovered, or new food-processing techniques can be devised to extract max nutrition at maximum efficiency.

 

Like with 2/3 of patients on medication whose condition doesn't improve - the problem isn't lack of a solution - it's the lack of people using that solution to improve their own existance. Whether it's people's lack of knowledge of this solution or sheer choice not to embrace it - no one is doing anything about it.

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GTABlackKnight

one solution: wear a f*cking condom!

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Mike Tequeli

Well apparently I'm not alone anymore in my views then.

 

Did some research and said group in the video is pro-life, unfortunate but the information remains true.

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Carnage1120
it is a problem that is going to happend.

 

the problem isnt going to get solved if we realize

that it has already happened because then it´ll be

too late. we need to figure out what we´re going

to do before it happends.

 

and no. i dont mean killing people.

 

china has an over population chrisis of some level.

they offered to pay a certain amount of money to families who

only have one child and because having a boy is somewhat

a honor thing over there it also makes sure that your belowed

family name doesnt fade away over the future generations,

many families made sure that they´re child is going to be a boy.

(genetics or something)

 

and now there´s a sh*t load of single guys. way way more than single women.

even though this wasnt their plan, this will also cut down the amount of population.

 

but.. ideas?

 

i think games like second life can help a little.

exspecially in the future when you controll the game with

your mind and feel like you´re really inside the game.

(this will happend.. at some point)

and not just ugly people who wouldnt be able to get

a spouse anyway.. the ones who play second life.

 

you could replace your miserable and depressing life with

anything you can dream of. and you cant have babies via the internet.

 

so again.. ideas?

Are you saying that we need to create "the matrix" to control population levels?

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bobgtafan

Over population isn't the problem, lack of resources for whatever the number of populants is. Period.

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Tyler
Over population isn't the problem, lack of resources for whatever the number of populants is. Period.

Boom.

 

Unless of course we were to, say, expand to other planets to exercise growth of course. But that is crazy.

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 dice
Over population isn't the problem, lack of resources for whatever the number of populants is. Period.

A sh*tload of the most basic resources gets trashed on a daily basis by almost everyone, mostly for profit. This is how capitalism works, do as less as you can for as much money. The main problem is severely poor resource distribution. But of course it may differ what are resources to you and what they are to me.

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Emhyr

Pharmaceutical companies know how to deal with this problem,they make a new disease.

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nerner
Over population isn't the problem, lack of resources for whatever the number of populants is. Period.

That still means that overpopulation is the root cause of the problem though. As if there were less people then there would be greater resources available to each person.

 

The wastefulness of the world at the moment means that we will demand high quality bananas from South America or Pineapples from Africa. Which will then lead to farmers trying to grow as many of these plants as they can to make a profit to keep them alive rather than growing crops which may keep them alive but the western world has no real demand for. Which will then lead to supply outstripping demand by quite some distance, leading to prices of these "luxury" crops going down by a lot, which will then lead to farmers in the poorest countries in the world looking west to see which crops are demanded next, e.g cocoa beans, so that they will grow them for a pittance instead.

 

And just because we buy them doesn't mean we'll eat them does it? Apparently 1/3 of all food bought in the west ends up being thrown away and rotting somewhere, be it in your garden as compost or in a landfill site. So to recap, we get farmers in the poorest places on Earth to grow what we want them to grow en masse, however in 1/3 of cases we don't even eat what they provide us, whereas said farmers would probably rape their own mother to get a chance to have the choice of food that we have here every day.

 

Just found something interesting about the link between disease-burden and intelligence.

 

Equatorial Guinea, St Lucia, Cameroon, Mozambique and Gabon were at the bottom of the average intelligence ranking, and also were among the countries having the highest burden of infectious diseases. Singapore, South Korea, China and Japan tie had the highest average intelligence and relatively low levels of disease. America, Britain and a number of European countries, follow.

 

The correlation is 67%, and researchers worked hard to eliminate other possible explanations, such as income, education, low levels of agricultural labour, climate, and the distance from humanity's African homeland.

 

Direct evidence that infections and parasites affect cognition exists with intestinal worms, malaria, and infant diarrhoea.

 

Asthma, on the other hand, may correlate positively with intelligence because it occurs where infantile immune systems are unchallenged by infection, turning against the cells of the body they are supposed to protect.

 

Not sure why there is a link between diseases and intelligence but I'll leave that for another day.

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Rown

You'd think food distribution could be better managed...

 

Damn our poorly designed "system".

 

My concern is less with the resource of food and more with the standard of living through other resources. Yes we can house billions, but what do we lose in the process?

 

Will we start to see significant declines in metals?

 

Are we going to kill all our f*cking fish by 2050?

 

 

Offtopic: I wish scientists weren't tools for someone else's benefit. Independent scientific research would be nice as opposed to organizational bias ordering a report for their newsletters.

 

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nerner
Offtopic: I wish scientists weren't tools for someone else's benefit. Independent scientific research would be nice as opposed to organizational bias ordering a report for their newsletters.

 

Rown rampage_ani.gif

Indeed. That's why global warming is thought of as a hoax by many, just because of what happened at the university of East Anglia's institute for climatic research, not only were they skewing the arguments and figures so that they could tick the correct boxes for the major worlds leaders, but they weren't even trying to hide what they were doing. Meaning that the end result was chaos and strike 1 for the nonbelievers.

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K^2

Global warming IS a hoax. If you understand anything about thermodynamic equilibrium, you'll realize that greenhouse hypothesis is bullsh*t that leads to self-contradictions and thermodynamics violations.

 

There are mechanisms by which a planet can heat up. Look at Venus. But the effect of gases like CO2 is a gross overestimate due to a faulty hypothesis. H2O condensate, also known as clouds, has a much bigger impact on global temperatures than CO2 can. We'll all suffocate before there is enough CO2 in atmosphere to cause serious problems. There is a very similar problem with most "greenhouse gases".

 

People who publish studies on these things are environmentalists. All they know how to do is look for correlations between graphs. CO2 concentrations in cities have been steadily growing. Also average temperatures in cities have been steadily growing. Ergo, CO2 must be the cause. Thought that high population densities result in both apparently never crossed anyone's mind. Neither did the idea of doing research away from population centers to compare the notes. It's just sad.

 

Ask any physicist about global warming, you know, people who actually study dynamics of heat exchange, and they'll tell you that man-caused global warming is nonsense.

 

Climatic changes, on the other hand, are taking place. They take place fairly often on this planet, and they did so long before humans walked the Earth. We should be learning ways of dealing with them, not pretend that we are the cause, and try to actually reduce our "footprint".

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nerner
Global warming IS a hoax.

I 100% agree. After all, it wasn't so long ago that people were spoon fed the global dimming theory. This is basically the opposite of global warming, so they can't both be happening, can they?

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Global warming IS a hoax.

I 100% agree. After all, it wasn't so long ago that people were spoon fed the global dimming theory. This is basically the opposite of global warming, so they can't both be happening, can they?

I personally believe that Global Warming/Climate Change is real, but Anthropogenic (man made) Global Warming is fake...

 

Under the Nazis there was something called race science, they had a lunatic theory of eugenics, the Aryan heritage and all the rest of this absolute crackpot pseudo-science. There was no empirical measure or empirical test for the validity of those theories, they simply asserted them, and if you were a professor who stood up to them, then the Gestapo would come and take you away.

 

We are perilously close to such a situation right now. Any academic, any other figure standing up to say, "The global warming theory of Al Gore is a piece of crackpot nonsense," is in danger. You'd be fired from a government job and in many universities your job would be in danger. And of course it's also part of what's called "ad hominem," that if you can't defeat the person's argument rationally, you start attacking the person. And we see that with these terms and we see it with Al Gore calling them "flat earthers".

 

Richard Lindzen, an MIT Professor of Atmospheric Physics, said it many years ago when he said, "The consensus was reached before the research had even begun."

 

What they are always talking about is... and originally the IPCC was about 3600 scientists; it's now down to 2500. That's the people they're talking about. But when you look at it, most of them are bureaucrats,

they're not scientists at all, and very, very few of them are actual climate experts.

 

Now, the consequences of that, and whether that's because of man-made CO2, I think are debatable.

 

Giving us false scientific information is not going to clean up our environment. Speaking with a lot of promises and innuendo is not going to help clean up our environment.

 

There are a lot of real environmental problems we face, like genetic engineering, where they are splicing plants, animals, insects, you name it. Toxic waste dumping in the ocean. No one wants to breath bad air or drink toxic water. But the global carbon tax, which is being pushed right now, has nothing to do with that. It's a tax literally on breathing.

 

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nerner
Global warming IS a hoax.

I 100% agree. After all, it wasn't so long ago that people were spoon fed the global dimming theory. This is basically the opposite of global warming, so they can't both be happening, can they?

I personally believe that Global Warming/Climate Change is real, but Anthropogenic (man made) Global Warming is fake...

Yep, I am not disputing the fact that the Earth's climate fluctuates, it has done naturally since the beginning, and right now we are currently warming up. That is a fact. However for us to state that it is all down to us and our industrial practices is in my opinion incredibly arrogant of us. In all likelihood cows have a bigger impact on global temerature than man, so why do we all have such a huge chip on our shoulder about it?

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bobgtafan
Over population isn't the problem, lack of resources for whatever the number of populants is. Period.

That still means that overpopulation is the root cause of the problem though. As if there were less people then there would be greater resources available to each person.

 

The wastefulness of the world at the moment means that we will demand high quality bananas from South America or Pineapples from Africa. Which will then lead to farmers trying to grow as many of these plants as they can to make a profit to keep them alive rather than growing crops which may keep them alive but the western world has no real demand for. Which will then lead to supply outstripping demand by quite some distance, leading to prices of these "luxury" crops going down by a lot, which will then lead to farmers in the poorest countries in the world looking west to see which crops are demanded next, e.g cocoa beans, so that they will grow them for a pittance instead.

 

And just because we buy them doesn't mean we'll eat them does it? Apparently 1/3 of all food bought in the west ends up being thrown away and rotting somewhere, be it in your garden as compost or in a landfill site. So to recap, we get farmers in the poorest places on Earth to grow what we want them to grow en masse, however in 1/3 of cases we don't even eat what they provide us, whereas said farmers would probably rape their own mother to get a chance to have the choice of food that we have here every day.

 

Just found something interesting about the link between disease-burden and intelligence.

 

Equatorial Guinea, St Lucia, Cameroon, Mozambique and Gabon were at the bottom of the average intelligence ranking, and also were among the countries having the highest burden of infectious diseases. Singapore, South Korea, China and Japan tie had the highest average intelligence and relatively low levels of disease. America, Britain and a number of European countries, follow.

 

The correlation is 67%, and researchers worked hard to eliminate other possible explanations, such as income, education, low levels of agricultural labour, climate, and the distance from humanity's African homeland.

 

Direct evidence that infections and parasites affect cognition exists with intestinal worms, malaria, and infant diarrhoea.

 

Asthma, on the other hand, may correlate positively with intelligence because it occurs where infantile immune systems are unchallenged by infection, turning against the cells of the body they are supposed to protect.

 

Not sure why there is a link between diseases and intelligence but I'll leave that for another day.

Food isn't the only problem with overpopulation or just having a population I suppose. Even if we can feed everyone what happens when we run out of metals, or oils, etc. Unless we extract from other planets or fully develop nano tech I don't see how all 9 billion people can live like us. Even if you conserve or make it more effeicent I don't see what we do when we run out of coal, steel, iron etc. Maybe someone can explain. Otherwise we're f*cked.

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Mike Tequeli
There are a lot of real environmental problems we face, like genetic engineering, where they are splicing plants, animals, insects, you name it. Toxic waste dumping in the ocean. No one wants to breath bad air or drink toxic water. But the global carbon tax, which is being pushed right now, has nothing to do with that. It's a tax literally on breathing.

I'm sorry but how the hell is genetic engineering a problem? You don't really address the issue. Genetic modification ensures healthier crops that can grow over less land and be more resistant to pests. There is no discernible problem with this process, and no danger from the product itself.

 

 

Pharmaceutical companies know how to deal with this problem,they make a new disease.

 

That's f*cking stupid.

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K^2
I personally believe that Global Warming/Climate Change is real, but Anthropogenic (man made) Global Warming is fake...

Yeah, I should have specified. There are all sorts of cycles, and cycles within cycles, and yo-dawg-i-heard-you-like-cycles, and so it should be no surprise that weather patterns do change quite a bit, and the global average temperatures do change. It's specifically human impact that I find suspect, and specifically greenhouse effect that is bullsh*t.

 

As far as eugenics go, I might have supported the general idea. As in, reproduction control, and based on some fair fitness test. The human genome is deteriorating at an alarming rate due to lack of almost any kind of selection. I'm all for supporting people with any form of disability, but for f*cks sake, if you have serious genetic problems, don't reproduce.

 

Fortunately, it seems it won't be necessary to go even that far. We now basically have technology to modify genetic code that's passed onto children. In a few generations, a significant portion of the population will have modified genetics. Even if only a fraction of population can afford it, the genome will trickle down to the masses pretty fast. Selection will be artificial, rather than natural, of course, with all of the consequences, but it will result in "bad" genes getting displaced by "good" genes in much the same way.

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AlfieWilRus

You mean like that surrogate movie? If so, HELL NO! Live you life the way its supposed to be lived, BY YOU, not some robot you're controlling.

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Emhyr
There are a lot of real environmental problems we face, like genetic engineering, where they are splicing plants, animals, insects, you name it. Toxic waste dumping in the ocean. No one wants to breath bad air or drink toxic water. But the global carbon tax, which is being pushed right now, has nothing to do with that. It's a tax literally on breathing.

I'm sorry but how the hell is genetic engineering a problem? You don't really address the issue. Genetic modification ensures healthier crops that can grow over less land and be more resistant to pests. There is no discernible problem with this process, and no danger from the product itself.

 

 

Pharmaceutical companies know how to deal with this problem,they make a new disease.

 

That's f*cking stupid.

Oh really,is it? Swine flu? I'm not saying they want to kill people,but they make profit on people's illness.

 

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EternalChe

 

There are a lot of real environmental problems we face, like genetic engineering, where they are splicing plants, animals, insects, you name it. Toxic waste dumping in the ocean. No one wants to breath bad air or drink toxic water. But the global carbon tax, which is being pushed right now, has nothing to do with that. It's a tax literally on breathing.

I'm sorry but how the hell is genetic engineering a problem? You don't really address the issue. Genetic modification ensures healthier crops that can grow over less land and be more resistant to pests. There is no discernible problem with this process, and no danger from the product itself.

I guess vandalizing the DNA and biosphere of the planet, by allowing the GMO's in the wild and allowing them to mix with the non-GMO's is more preferable to natural selection and evolution, at least to you.

 

Just continue eating your Monsanto's franken-food and die, please

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There are a lot of real environmental problems we face, like genetic engineering, where they are splicing plants, animals, insects, you name it. Toxic waste dumping in the ocean. No one wants to breath bad air or drink toxic water. But the global carbon tax, which is being pushed right now, has nothing to do with that. It's a tax literally on breathing.

I'm sorry but how the hell is genetic engineering a problem? You don't really address the issue. Genetic modification ensures healthier crops that can grow over less land and be more resistant to pests. There is no discernible problem with this process, and no danger from the product itself.

 

 

Pharmaceutical companies know how to deal with this problem,they make a new disease.

 

That's f*cking stupid.

Oh really,is it? Swine flu? I'm not saying they want to kill people,but they make profit on people's illness.

Of course, because that's their f*cking job. It's like saying all doctors are evil from profiting via treating patients.

 

Besides, swine flu broke out via a virus strain in a pig crop somewhere in Mexico, as far as I know. I don't think pharmacists and pharmacologists had anything to do with it.

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There are a lot of real environmental problems we face, like genetic engineering, where they are splicing plants, animals, insects, you name it. Toxic waste dumping in the ocean. No one wants to breath bad air or drink toxic water. But the global carbon tax, which is being pushed right now, has nothing to do with that. It's a tax literally on breathing.

I'm sorry but how the hell is genetic engineering a problem? You don't really address the issue. Genetic modification ensures healthier crops that can grow over less land and be more resistant to pests. There is no discernible problem with this process, and no danger from the product itself.

 

 

Pharmaceutical companies know how to deal with this problem,they make a new disease.

 

That's f*cking stupid.

Oh really,is it? Swine flu? I'm not saying they want to kill people,but they make profit on people's illness.

Of course, because that's their f*cking job. It's like saying all doctors are evil from profiting via treating patients.

 

Besides, swine flu broke out via a virus strain in a pig crop somewhere in Mexico, as far as I know. I don't think pharmacists and pharmacologists had anything to do with it.

Since when the flu season in the northern hemisphere starts in April and comes from Mexico? Usually the flu season starts during the autumn and comes from the east...

 

I guess these don't exist, right? check 'em all, please.

 

http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/WorkingD...9/EDOC12110.pdf

 

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=n...alth&id=7373748

 

http://www.wodarg.de/english/2948146.html

 

http://www.wodarg.de/english/3013320.html

 

http://www.ngnews.ca/Canada---World/Societ...-flu-outbreak/1

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...0033104201.html

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/90723119.html

 

 

bottom line:

 

 

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