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CJPNE

Could it possibly be the same character?

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CJPNE

Well, as I was playing through TLAD again today, I was watching a cut scene, one of Tom Stubbs' missions, he was talking about therapy or psychiatry, something like that and he mentioned Doctor Whyte (Or white) I then remembered that there was a Dr Whyte in Manhunt 2, as I said, long shot at it being the same one. This actually seems pointless now I've written it out and read it. But whatever.

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usherftw

Maybe, who knows, could even be the Dr White who works at my local GP

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Raptomex

Nice find but it could just be coincidence.

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KGBeast

Tom called his Dr. a He, didn't he? I don't recall. But I doubt it, I'm pretty sure Manhunt 2 is in the III universe.

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Claude4Catalina

I think the GTA Univere's can intersect with games such as Bully's and Manhunt's, seeing as their worlds we have only seen from a handful of views, we can safely say that Rockstar has one main Universe, the GTA one, which runs parallel to a second alternate GTA Universe. Within the two uni's, they have sub universes, which are Bullworth and Carcer City. But do not forget that they mention Carcer during GTAIII's canon, and San Andreas and Vice City are mentioned during GTAIV's cannon, so they co-exist but do not exist as one. If anyone can make any sense of what I just typed, that's good, cause I can't really understand it, I'm just giving my insight.

 

So in short, chances are Dr White is a reference to Manhunt.

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Drag_Drift

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Mr. White?

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serbian warrior
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Mr. White?

WHY? WHY MUST YOU GIVE ME EPIC LULZ!??!!!

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KGBeast
I think the GTA Univere's can intersect with games such as Bully's and Manhunt's, seeing as their worlds we have only seen from a handful of views, we can safely say that Rockstar has one main Universe, the GTA one, which runs parallel to a second alternate GTA Universe. Within the two uni's, they have sub universes, which are Bullworth and Carcer City. But do not forget that they mention Carcer during GTAIII's canon, and San Andreas and Vice City are mentioned during GTAIV's cannon, so they co-exist but do not exist as one. If anyone can make any sense of what I just typed, that's good, cause I can't really understand it, I'm just giving my insight.

 

So in short, chances are Dr White is a reference to Manhunt.

No dude, the Manhunt games are set firmly in the III universe. They talk about Gary Shaffer, the cheif of police in Carcer who is in Manhunt, on the radio in III. Manhunt is definitely in the same universe. And Manunt 2 was conceived shortly after and the same towns are mentioned a lot, meaning it is likely set in that universe as well. There is nothing that suggests Bully is an anyway related to GTA or Manhunt.

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jesus incognito
No dude, the Manhunt games are set firmly in the III universe. They talk about Gary Shaffer, the cheif of police in Carcer who is in Manhunt, on the radio in III. Manhunt is definitely in the same universe. And Manunt 2 was conceived shortly after and the same towns are mentioned a lot, meaning it is likely set in that universe as well. There is nothing that suggests Bully is an anyway related to GTA or Manhunt.

Actually, a character that looks a lot like the protagonist from Bully can be seen dancing at Elizabeta's in a cut scene from IV. I would call that more of an easter egg than a crossover, though.

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CIANIDE

 

No dude, the Manhunt games are set firmly in the III universe. They talk about Gary Shaffer, the cheif of police in Carcer who is in Manhunt, on the radio in III. Manhunt is definitely in the same universe. And Manunt 2 was conceived shortly after and the same towns are mentioned a lot, meaning it is likely set in that universe as well. There is nothing that suggests Bully is an anyway related to GTA or Manhunt.

 

They are certainly in the same universe. As added evidence two seperate times while playing through GTAIV, on my stats where it says "Distance Traveled" it has said "Liberty City to Carcer City".

 

So if Liberty City is supposed to be NYC than my guess is Carcer City is maybe Detroit?

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buzbegone

Half of this myth is on the spelling of the name, Dr. White or Dr. Whyte?

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KGBeast

In the subtitles, Tom says it's 'White'. I don't really take that as any kind of evidence one way or the other, North didn't work on Manhunt 2, so while the name may have been a nod, the person doing the sub may not have really known that.

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CarpetDweller

I really don't think Rockstar put that much thought into creating consistant "universes".

 

LC, VC and SA have been considered to be in the same universe since the first GTA. Carcer was pretty much grouped in with those after the radio report in GTAIII. Is the LC in GTA, GTAIII & GTAIV the same universe? - No not really, but they do overlap.

 

I don't think there's ever really a direct reference to Bullworth being in the GTA universe, but I've always taken it that there is a Bullworth in the GTAIII universe and there probably is one on the IV universe too.

 

They just reference what they want from other games they've made. We can take these individual references as proof that these mentioned parts exist in the same universe, but not necessarily that everything else that is connected to it also exists (For example - just because Carcer City is mentioned in GTAIV does not mean that all the events of Manhunt also took place in that universe).

 

I see it that GTAIV is a fresh start at making a GTA game, but they are not throwing away all of the ingredients that they used to make the last games. They can create it however they want. They can completely re-write the history of the Mafia families in LC, but keep Sprunk and Lazlow.

 

So you can see it 2 ways really:

A) Each GTA numbered series takes place in a different parallel universe where some things happen to occur in more than one universe.

B) Each GTA is a created game where they pick and choose what they want to put in it.

 

My general definition of an "Easter Egg" is something that is kind of hidden, but when you find it, it is obvious what it is (at least to those "in the know"). I understand that others have varying other definitions for this.

As for Dr White, I've not yet played Manhunt 2, but it could be a reference or could just be coincidence. Is there anything else that suggests this is the same person?

 

[sorry - went on a bit long there, but I'm trying to avoid doing real work]

 

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StalkerUKCG

My view on it is this

 

GTA III,VC,SA,LCS,VCS,Manhunt 1,Manhunt 2,Bully,GTA IV and TLAD all take place in the same fictional universe.

 

when they (R*) said they where whipping the slate clean they just meant it was the end of the current story arch. the semi intertwining stories between GTA3,VC,SA,LCS,VCS have all been closed.. i personally took this to mean that even thou we are done with that/them story/stories the characters may still be returned for one mission or even a whole game but with a completely different story.

 

Taking my beliefs into account id like to theorize that Bullworth is in this universe

(there's a shot of it on the TV when there talking about schools)

 

Hopefully GTAIV will spawn a GTAIII style series.

and hopefully CJ and Claude will make some form of return. maybe as waring mission givers ruling over the current SA or VC.

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John The Grudge

 

My view on it is this

 

GTA III,VC,SA,LCS,VCS,Manhunt 1,Manhunt 2,Bully,GTA IV and TLAD all take place in the same fictional universe.

 

when they (R*) said they where whipping the slate clean they just meant it was the end of the current story arch.  the semi intertwining stories between GTA3,VC,SA,LCS,VCS have all been closed..  i personally took this to mean that even thou we are done with that/them story/stories the characters may still be returned for one mission or even a whole game but with a completely different story.   

 

Taking my beliefs into account id like to theorize that Bullworth is in this universe

(there's a shot of it on the TV when there talking about schools)

 

Hopefully GTAIV will spawn a GTAIII style series.

and hopefully CJ and Claude will make some form of return. maybe as waring  mission givers ruling over the current SA or VC.

I think that this gen will take place in an alternate universe to that of last gen. So as far as this generation of GTA games goes, Claude, CJ, Tommy and the rest do not exist but a version of the locales do.

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KGBeast

I don't see why people want IV to be in the III universe so badly. It's pretty clearly different.

 

My personal thoughts are that each numerical GTA marks the start of a new universe, and some of Rockstar's other games get put in the same universe, like Manhunt in the III universe. I don't really think Bully has anything to do with GTA though. I think the connections pretty much stick to R* North conceived games.

 

I put it in these lists:

 

1:

GTA

London 69

London 61

 

2:

GTA 2

 

III:

GTA III

Vice City

San Andreas

Advance

Liberty City Stories

Vice City Stories

Manhunt

Manhunt 2

 

IV:

GTA IV

TLAD

Chinatown Wars

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CJPNE

Wow, people are posting on this seriously. This was a piss take if I'm honest.

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CIANIDE

With people and places from past GTA/R* related games being mentioned in the current GTA of that time how could they possibly be in seperate universes?!

 

That doesn't even make sense.

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KGBeast
With people and places from past GTA/R* related games being mentioned in the current GTA of that time how could they possibly be in seperate universes?!

 

That doesn't even make sense.

What do you mean? That's like saying if I put Richard Nixon in a fictional story, then that story must have been real because Nixon was real.

 

That's like saying that because there is a Best Buy in Midnight Club, then Midnight Club must be real.

 

The names and brands that get mentioned throughout games are just Rockstar making nods to their games. The GTA universes are different, but they come very close to being the same. And that's the point.

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Alick

It wouldn't suprise me, it'll just be a reference to Manhunt. Rockstar do it alot with everything, referencing, taking the piss etc etc. I don't understand why there has to be some argument about universes, it has nothing to do with that at all.

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Nova69_7
I think the GTA Univere's can intersect with games such as Bully's and Manhunt's, seeing as their worlds we have only seen from a handful of views, we can safely say that Rockstar has one main Universe, the GTA one, which runs parallel to a second alternate GTA Universe.  Within the two uni's, they have sub universes, which are Bullworth and Carcer City.  But do not forget that they mention Carcer during GTAIII's canon, and San Andreas and Vice City are mentioned during GTAIV's cannon, so they co-exist but do not exist as one.  If anyone can make any sense of what I just typed, that's good, cause I can't really understand it, I'm just giving my insight. 

 

So in short, chances are Dr White is a reference to Manhunt.

No dude, the Manhunt games are set firmly in the III universe. They talk about Gary Shaffer, the cheif of police in Carcer who is in Manhunt, on the radio in III. Manhunt is definitely in the same universe. And Manunt 2 was conceived shortly after and the same towns are mentioned a lot, meaning it is likely set in that universe as well. There is nothing that suggests Bully is an anyway related to GTA or Manhunt.

Actually KGBeast I think you are wrong there about saying there isn't any references to Bullworth in the GTAIV universe...you remember 'Im Rich' on the telly in GTAIV? Well watch the bit about Jill Von Crastenberg and it shows you the school where she used to attend...and guess what - its Bullworth Academy! I recognised the school logo and though it was kinda cool! So make of that what you will...

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GTAgurlie1988

Here's my thoughts... Alternate Realities... There is a Bullworth Academy in IV, but it's rather different from the Bullworth Academy of Bully.

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ChrisMathers3501

I say it all happens under one roof - Manhunt, GTA, Bully, all them. When people say they're different universes, I just get a nerd ache and say to my self, "no, GTA and RoboCop are different universes. GTA and Star Wars are different universes. GTA and any Rockstar game that either references GTA or is referenced in GTA, is part of GTA, period, end of story, we can all stop thinking now, and sense has been made." I know Rockstar "wiped the slate clean," but I took that to mean the old characters' stories were told, not that they were no longer part of the story.

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KGBeast

 

I say it all happens under one roof - Manhunt, GTA, Bully, all them.  When people say they're different universes, I just get a nerd ache and say to my self, "no, GTA and RoboCop are different universes.  GTA and Star Wars are different universes.  GTA and any Rockstar game that either references GTA or is referenced in GTA, is part of GTA, period, end of story, we can all stop thinking now, and sense has been made."  I know Rockstar "wiped the slate clean," but I took that to mean the old characters' stories were told, not that they were no longer part of the story.

I don't think you should just dismiss alternate universes. A lot of franchises employ alternate universes as a storytelling device. DC Comics, Marvel Comics, Transformers, etc. I think the obvious differences between games are enough to suggest they occur in different continuities, and it isn't as if GTA would be the only series with them.

 

EDIT: I'd like to clarify this a bit, I also agree that GTA may take place in the same universe, just not necessarily the same version of Earth. I was just stating my opinion that there could very well be separate universes. 'Universe' is kind of just short hand slang for different storyline or continuity.

Edited by KGBeast

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Dahan

OK, I really think everyone's going a little to far into this. All I know is I want them to do what they did with the other series of games. Make the next game VC, then SA...and I'd be good i think..

 

damn, I really just want SA with better graphics and some stuff from 4, physics engine..(except the jumping, in IV, when you jump over something, your character cant grab onto another object, even if grabbing on would save his life...pissed me off, SA allowed you to drop and catch back on if I'm correct.)

 

Oh and i want some type of silent kills, the knife thing in SA was cool, or silencers..also cool..I mean really, if they gave us SA mixed with multiplayer, graphics & physics engine of IV and the fighting system of VCS (one of the best fighting systems to me, for the one reason that you could grab your opponent and then have three options throw punch and super punch, or if grab from behind could snap neck, punch or kick, only GTA game to do that) it'd be badass...and I think everyone would get it.

 

That's my wishlist of a GTA game...what was I supposed to be talking about again??? biggrin.gif

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