Best of Both Worlds...

[shinsta312]

Which one is the most accurate list do you guys think?

6th Post Down on the First Page.

I did alot of research on it plus had help from others so It's about as Accurate as we're gonna get.

D`you know what? I`m just as excited for BoBW V2.0 as I am for BoGT.

I think the next time a post like this shows up in TBOGT thread, it should simply be called "The Impossible Trinity", as it does focus on the three protagonists.

No man I'm gonna call it The Possible Trinity. It was gonna be a suprise but you nearly got it so I might as well get it out in the open.

So I'm assuming you're gonna post it up?

[The Notorious MOB]

 

So I'm assuming you're gonna post it up?

Yeah I'll post it up when TBOGT comes out and then add the missions in as I get through them. Then I can work on getting it as accurate as I can.

[Magic_Al]

I plan to get the BradyGames guide and combine the mission tree with the other two, but if it's like last time it will take a couple playthroughs to be sure it's right.

[Versityle]

Which one is the most accurate list do you guys think?

6th Post Down on the First Page.

I did alot of research on it plus had help from others so It's about as Accurate as we're gonna get.

D`you know what? I`m just as excited for BoBW V2.0 as I am for BoGT.

It's coming dont worry

 

Also I'm thinking of rearranging the Start of the List so that "Clean and Serene" goes after "Uncle Vlad" as I think it would be better story wise and It wouldn't mess with the chronology because even though the Identity Theft story is the newest story on the net it could still be days old by the time we get to see it in TLAD and the next news story that crosses over with Niko's Story doesn't appear until after "Angels in America".

 

What do you guys think??

Yeah man, I always thought it worked best that way, it's like the end of a chapter and new begins with TLAD. Yeah, as for the news story there's a huge gap missing between the Idenity Theft and the Lost Biker gang which is filled up in Vanilla (Why do we call it that???). So it's safe to assume that Clean and Serene takes place anytime in between "Clean Getaway" and "No Love Lost" so I say it's the perfect place to put it because it's pretty much in the middle.

[The Notorious MOB]

 

I plan to get the BradyGames guide and combine the mission tree with the other two, but if it's like last time it will take a couple playthroughs to be sure it's right.

I'll add that in to my post when you finish it to keep all the mission order/Timeline stuff in the one place. Joseph also showed some interest in having his chapters incorporated into the post so it should be quite comprehensive.

 

EDIT: Thanks for your input Versityle. Any other views on the matter would be greatly appreciated guys as I want the list to represent the views of other people on the forum rather than just me.

Edited September 19, 2009 by Money Over Bullshit

[JOSEPH X]

I`m calling my post GTA300 and putting the lot in - pigeons, GFs, Most Wanted etc. Everything for 100% in each of the stories. We`re gonna have to get organised soon, so we`re all on the board when the new topic goes up.

[The Notorious MOB]

 

I`m calling my post GTA300 and putting the lot in - pigeons, GFs, Most Wanted etc. Everything for 100% in each of the stories. We`re gonna have to get organised soon, so we`re all on the board when the new topic goes up.

Yeah that's a good idea to have all of that in a seperate topic. I'm gonna be linking to a few other topics and lists. All my prep work is just about done... I cant really do much until the game comes out though.

[MitchJ90]

A list with all 3 would be awesome, might take some time.

 

Oh and if its not done can someone pout in the random characters and please, aka after a certain mission etc.

Edited September 20, 2009 by MitchJ90

[The Notorious MOB]

 

A  list with all 3 would be awesome, might take some time.

 

Oh and if its not done can someone pout in the random characters and please, aka after a certain mission etc.

Magic Al has a mission tree that includes when each random character mission becomes available. its on this very page (second post down).

[MitchJ90]

I don't have the thing that opens it.

[The Notorious MOB]

I don't have the thing that opens it.

Too bad man

 

I don't know what the rules are about posting download links so try typing adobe acrobat reader into google.

[JOSEPH X]

I was just playing on the save I mentioned earlier where I`d completed all the Pegorino and Gambetti missions and still had the Derrick missions to go. After Blood Brothers I was driving around in the Romero when I got the call from U.L. Paper which triggered That Special Someone. It occurred to me that maybe they`ve written branching storylines in vanilla, one which covers Niko`s personal journey, and one which is about the crossover story with BOGT

[Magic_Al]

 

I was just playing on the save I mentioned earlier where I`d completed all the Pegorino and Gambetti missions and still had the Derrick missions to go. After  Blood Brothers I was driving around in the Romero when I got the call from U.L. Paper which triggered That Special Someone. It occurred to me that maybe they`ve written branching storylines in vanilla, one which covers Niko`s personal journey, and one which is about the crossover story with BOGT

Part of my goal with my integrated mission tree is to mechanically eliminate impossible mission orders by establishing dependencies with the episodes' missions. Once I have TBOGT included there should be a dozen or so intersection points that narrow Niko's options a lot.

 

BTW if my download link doesn't work the next few days it's because I screwed up the timing of a subscription renewal and hopefully it's just a few days. Here's an alternate link. And here's a link to Adobe Reader, lol at mods having a problem with that. Adobe's been on the Internet longer than most GTAF members have been alive.

[MitchJ90]

This site is too anal about everything.

 

So thanks.

[JOSEPH X]

I was just playing on the save I mentioned earlier where I`d completed all the Pegorino and Gambetti missions and still had the Derrick missions to go. After  Blood Brothers I was driving around in the Romero when I got the call from U.L. Paper which triggered That Special Someone. It occurred to me that maybe they`ve written branching storylines in vanilla, one which covers Niko`s personal journey, and one which is about the crossover story with BOGT

Part of my goal with my integrated mission tree is to mechanically eliminate impossible mission orders by establishing dependencies with the episodes' missions. Once I have TBOGT included there should be a dozen or so intersection points that narrow Niko's options a lot.

 

 

Cool, but I`m thinking those dependencies will not come from the Bell-Pegorino-Gambetti-Darko branch of Niko`s story. It`s only the post-Entourage news story and whether the clubs are closed a the time of DAAGBF that can clear this up.

[The Notorious MOB]

 

I was just playing on the save I mentioned earlier where I`d completed all the Pegorino and Gambetti missions and still had the Derrick missions to go. After  Blood Brothers I was driving around in the Romero when I got the call from U.L. Paper which triggered That Special Someone. It occurred to me that maybe they`ve written branching storylines in vanilla, one which covers Niko`s personal journey, and one which is about the crossover story with BOGT

 

I'm not sure I fully understand what your saying but I think the way you played the game on that save was a manipulation of the story rather than something that relates to TBOGT in any way. I think Rockstar made the assumption that people would play the McReary's missions in a block which explains why they have event's that link in and trigger each other in those missions more than any other group of missions in the game e.g The Shooting of the brother which triggers the funeral which in turn triggers the incareration of Gerald and the kidnapping of Gracie.

 

So really it's the completion of the Gambetti missions that trigger That Special Someone regardless of what missions are played afterwards. I'm 99% sure that the clubs will still be open when the Diamond exchange happens in TBOGT. There's a 1% chance that I'm wrong but in theory that gives you a 1% chance of being right So I'm pretty confident haha. No hard feelings in advance bro

[ChrisMathers3501]

This site is too anal about everything.

 

So thanks.

Maybe we are too anal, but you'll be grateful when you download the integrated timeline after BOGT comes out so you can play every GTA4 level in sequence, because it'll feel more cinematic that way. You'll notice that movies don't usually follow the main character from start to finish without some scenes from other characters' perspectives. Besides, anal is just plain and simply fun.

[The Notorious MOB]

This site is too anal about everything.

 

So thanks.

Maybe we are too anal, but you'll be grateful when you download the integrated timeline after BOGT comes out so you can play every GTA4 level in sequence, because it'll feel more cinematic that way. You'll notice that movies don't usually follow the main character from start to finish without some scenes from other characters' perspectives. Besides, anal is just plain and simply fun.

I think he just meant theyre anal about posting download links.

 

You are right in what you said though

[The Notorious MOB]

I'm just gonna bump this one last time and ask if anybody has any more input on what order the missions on the list should go in. And also going back to my earlier question should I move "Clean and Serene" so it takes place just after "Uncle Vlad" or is it better to leave it the way it is?

 

I'm planning on moving my list over to the BOGT section on the 29th so I just wanna give people a chance to suggest any amendments I should make before then so that the list is representative of the majority of the people's opinion on this forum.

[Magic_Al]

 

My chart has "Clean and Serene" and "Hung Out to Dry" marked as an intersection on account of completion unlocking the Identity Theft, Yusuf Amir, and Tom Goldberg news stories in both games. IIRC if you check the Internet before completing "Clean and Serene" those stories aren't there yet.

Edited October 17, 2009 by Magic_Al

[The Notorious MOB]

My chart has "Clean and Serene" and "Hung Out to Dry" marked as an intersection on account of completion unlocking the Identity Theft, Yusuf Amir, and Tom Goldberg news stories in both games. IIRC if you check the Internet before completing "Clean and Serene" those stories aren't there yet.

Yeah I'm aware of that but the next crossover News story isn't unlocked until "Final Destination" so that means "Clean and Serene" could happen anywhere in between "Hung Out To Dry" and "Final Destination"

[Magic_Al]

True enough.

[The Notorious MOB]

True enough.

So your opinion is that it should be left after Hung Out To Dry is it? Or do you not care either way?

[Magic_Al]

I think your interpretation would be valid regarding Internet news, but realistically I think the radio news should be considered timely, as though they are live broadcasts and the announcers wouldn't repeat the same stories for multiple days. Niko can hear these stories on the radio after "Hung Out to Dry", so I'd guess when Johnny hears the same broadcast from his perspective, it means Niko just did "Hung Out to Dry". Just IMO.

[The Notorious MOB]

 

I think your interpretation would be valid regarding Internet news, but realistically I think the radio news should be considered timely, as though they are live broadcasts and the announcers wouldn't repeat the same stories for multiple days. Niko can hear these stories on the radio after "Hung Out to Dry", so I'd guess when Johnny hears the same broadcast from his perspective, it means Niko just did "Hung Out to Dry". Just IMO.

It's a lot harder to do things by the radio broadcasts because not only can they happen at any point between two other broadcasts but a lot of the time Johnny doesn't hear about Niko's exploits unless they relate to him somehow. I think the only thing we can really go on is where people think Johnny's Story Should start relative to Niko's Story going on what would make the whole story flow best

(bearing in mind it must start between "Hung Out To Dry and "Final Destination").

I just picked "Uncle Vlad" as a possible starting point for TLAD because it is Niko's first milestone as far as Story progression and is what leads to Niko's problems with Dimitri (in a way).

[Magic_Al]

I think all the stories that appear on the Internet in both games also appear on the radio in both games.

 

When I logged news stories during my last IV and TLAD playthroughs, it seemed pretty consistent that when a group of Internet stories unlocked, a set of matching radio stories unlocked at the same time, and they'd play pretty soon after getting in a vehicle, as though they're added as the next item on the playlist. I'm sure radio stories are often missed by changing the station at the wrong time or just not being in a vehicle long enough, and maybe the game even delays them if you miss the first chance to hear them, but they seem to come up pretty quickly if you don't avoid them.

[The Notorious MOB]

I think all the stories that appear on the Internet in both games also appear on the radio in both games.

 

When I logged news stories during my last IV and TLAD playthroughs, it seemed pretty consistent that when a group of Internet stories unlocked, a set of matching radio stories unlocked at the same time, and they'd play pretty soon after getting in a vehicle, as though they're added as the next item on the playlist. I'm sure radio stories are often missed by changing the station at the wrong time or just not being in a vehicle long enough, and maybe the game even delays them if you miss the first chance to hear them, but they seem to come up pretty quickly if you don't avoid them.

Yeah but what I'm saying is about 90% of the news stories that Niko sees and hears, Johnny doesn't.

[Magic_Al]

Actually, I screwed up. I just replayed the beginning of TLAD and found that my notes were wrong and all those stories through the Identity Theft set are available from the beginning of TLAD. So you're right that TLAD begins later than Hung Out to Dry, but it's not certain how much later.

 

Completing Clean and Serene unlocks the Billy Grey Released and Internet Abuse stories on the radio and the Internet, which in IV are unlocked by either by completing Final Destination or by beginning No Love Lost -- I'd have to replay to be sure. Angels in America has to take place immediately before, or possibly overlaps the beginning of No Love Lost.

[The Notorious MOB]

 

Actually, I screwed up.  I just replayed the beginning of TLAD and found that my notes were wrong and all those stories through the Identity Theft set are available from the beginning of TLAD.  So you're right that TLAD begins later than Hung Out to Dry, but it's not certain how much later.

 

Completing Clean and Serene unlocks the Billy Grey Released and Internet Abuse stories on the radio and the Internet, which in IV are unlocked by either by completing Final Destination or by beginning No Love Lost -- I'd have to replay to be sure. Angels in America has to take place immediately before, or possibly overlaps the beginning of No Love Lost.

Now that's interesting because I had previously thought that story was unlocked by completing Angels in America. So That means that TLAD Starts just before Final Destination... Hmm. Thanks Man

Edited October 19, 2009 by Money Over Bullshit

[Magic_Al]

I played up to No Love Lost and discovered that Rockstar actually didn't make sure the Billy Grey story gets unlocked before that. If you take the shortest possible route to No Love Lost you don't get the Billy Grey story in time. If you take a longer route (more Little Jacob or meeting Brucie) you do get the Billy Grey story. It seems to be based on number of missions done, not a particular mission. Because of this I updated my chart without any crossover links to the first two TLAD missions but instead added chronological dependencies between Hung Out to Dry and Clean and Serene, and kept the dependency between Angels in America and No Love Lost. Also found a couple other mistakes and redundant dependencies and fixed them.