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Mafioso86

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I opened my story complete saves and went to the Internet cafes made a list of news stories that appear in both IV and TLAD.

 

Liberty Tree

  • Subway Death (Jim)
  • Steroid Scandal
  • Dragonbrain
  • Goldberg Murder
  • Serial Killer Twist
  • Arson in Broker (Roman's Sorrow)
  • Biker Wars (Jason)
  • Biker Gang (Billy Grey released)
  • Identity Theft
  • Jingoism Act (first story)
  • Body In Humboldt (Platypus captain found dead)
  • A Fare to Remember
Weazel News
  • Dragon Death
  • Goldberg Dead
  • Bridge Openings
  • Drugs and Terror
  • Internet Abuse
  • Online Dating
  • Yusuf Amir
  • Jingoism Act
(BAWSAQ Crash and Gay Basher? also appear in both but not in the same order)

 

PLO

  • Goldberg Dead
  • Tom Goldeberg
  • Jingoism Act
Now a list of which missions unlock which stories would be helpful.

VERY nice Magic_Al icon14.gifcookie.gifcookie.gifcookie.gifcookie.gifcookie.gif

 

As for what mission unlocks which story, I believe that it depends on what order you play the missions. So for example, 6 missions from the last news story will unlock the next one, and of course with stories such as the Arson in Broker and Goldberg would update right after the mission.

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In The Lost and Damned:

 

Subway Death (Jim) - Appears after "Was It Worth It"

Steroid Scandal - Appears after "Was It Worth It" or "Collector's Item" I can't remember which

Dragonbrain - Appears at the same time as Steroid Scandal

Goldberg Murder - Appears after "This sh*t's Cursed"

Serial Killer Twist - ??

Arson in Broker (Roman's Sorrow) - Appears after "It's War"

Biker Wars (Jason) - Appears after "It's War"

Biker Gang (Billy Grey released) - Appears after "Angels in America"

Identity Theft - ???

Jingoism Act (first story)

Body In Humboldt (Platypus captain found dead) - ???

A Fare to Remember - ???

 

Then obviously these stories appear in GTA IV after the mission that they're about.. Accept for the non mission related stories.

 

I think this would be the best way to pin down the time line though so hopefully some body can fill in the blanks.

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I changed my note on Jingoism Act because I didn't mean it's the first story, I meant there are two different Liberty Tree articles with the same headline, and the one that appears in both games is the earlier of two Jingoism Act headlines in IV.

 

I listed the stories in reverse chronological order as they appeared in my save files. Billy Grey is released at the beginning of TLAD, so Biker Gang and all the "older" news stories are already online the first chance Johnny can check the web. You can get off the bike and run into [email protected] during Clean and Serene.

 

IV starts without all the same stories unlocked, so the appearance of those stories in IV establishes a start time window for TLAD.

 

Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but news (radio and Internet) seems to be unlocked at the same time a new mission marker appears. In other words the story advances when new missions become available, not when currently unlocked missions are completed. Anybody agree with this observation?

 

The implication for how we think of the games' timelines intersecting is when a certain news story appears in both games, it means that, at that moment, certain Niko missions are unlocked in IV and certain Johnny missions are unlocked in TLAD. You know whatever was required to get to that point must have already happened but you don't necessarily know more than that.

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I changed my note on Jingoism Act because I didn't mean it's the first story, I meant there are two different Liberty Tree articles with the same headline, and the one that appears in both games is the earlier of two Jingoism Act headlines in IV.

 

I listed the stories in reverse chronological order as they appeared in my save files. Billy Grey is released at the beginning of TLAD, so Biker Gang and all the "older" news stories are already online the first chance Johnny can check the web. You can get off the bike and run into [email protected] during Clean and Serene.

 

IV starts without all the same stories unlocked, so the appearance of those stories in IV establishes a start time window for TLAD.

 

Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but news (radio and Internet) seems to be unlocked at the same time a new mission marker appears.  In other words the story advances when new missions become available, not when currently unlocked missions are completed. Anybody agree with this observation?

 

The implication for how we think of the games' timelines intersecting is when a certain news story appears in both games, it means that, at that moment, certain Niko missions are unlocked in IV and certain Johnny missions are unlocked in TLAD. You know whatever was required to get to that point must have already happened but you don't necessarily know more than that.

Yeah that's true. The news of what Niko does in his story and when he does certain things as indicated by the news is the clearest indicator of the chronology of the two stories. I think what your saying about the stories being triggered by new missions is potentially true and potentially false as the crossover stories only appear on the internet after missions where a new mission marker appears automatically.

 

The only things that could potentially change my sequence other than what we already know is the point at which the serial killer twist and bridge openings stories appear. Especially the bridge openings one because that tells us when Niko moves to a new city. And also the occurance of certain things in Niko's story which adversly affect Johnny's.

 

What will tell us for sure when TLAD starts is when The Biker Gang Story Appears on the news in GTA IV (Niko's Story)

 

EDIT: I checked and The Biker Wars Story appears after Angels in America and not Clean and Serene. The Newest Story On the net at the start of TLAD seems to be The One about Identity Theft called "It's Our Fault". So whenever that Identity theft story appears on the net in GTA IV is when TLAD begins.

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In IV, Identity Theft appears after Hung Out to Dry.

 

Biker Gang appears in IV after starting No Love Lost. If Niko checks the Internet after the Faustin cutscene, before chasing Jason, it's there. Biker Gang is the story about Billy Grey being released.

 

That's as far as I've gone for now. I can tell from the full list of news that the story about Jason isn't published till after Niko has done a few more missions.

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In IV, Identity Theft appears after Hung Out to Dry.

 

Biker Gang appears in IV after starting No Love Lost. If Niko checks the Internet after the Faustin cutscene, before chasing Jason, it's there.  Biker Gang is the story about Billy Grey being released.

 

That's as far as I've gone for now.  I can tell from the full list of news that the story about Jason isn't published till after Niko has done a few more missions.

It's called Biker Gang Chaos in TLAD. It mentions Billy being released and The Lost and the AOD fighting.

 

So TLAD must start about the same time as Hung out to Dry. And I would assume that Angels in America happens just before No Love Lost. Meaning that Jason left the boys after Angels in America and was killed shortly after.

I'm also gonna stick Liberty City Choppers before Angels in America to fill in the gap because it becomes available at the same time.

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The Liberty Tree ad that displays the latest headline sometimes uses different wording than how the story appears in the list of previous stories. I'm using the "list" headlines for consistency.

 

Continuing on, the stories Arson in Broker and Biker Wars are unlocked after the missions Roman's Sorrow in IV and It's War in TLAD.

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The Liberty Tree ad that displays the latest headline sometimes uses different wording than how the story appears in the list of previous stories. I'm using the "list" headlines for consistency.

 

Continuing on, the stories Arson in Broker and Biker Wars are unlocked after the missions Roman's Sorrow in IV and It's War in TLAD.

Yeah I noticed that too. Real life online news stories are sometimes like that aswell. It's the same story so it doesn't matter anyway. I already have the Arson In Broker/Jason Dies Story... I think the next crossover story is serial killer twist so that should show where the next mission should go.

 

I think everything is pretty much set up untill the end of Elizabeta's missions seeing as you can take a number of different paths from then on and so far there's no indication as to what order those missions should go in.

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[A] Roman's Holiday Mallorie tells you that Roman is missing before The Holland Play

 

I just got this call and tried to figure out what triggers it. This is a section of the game where the player can choose among many missions.

 

According to the strategy guide, Hostile Negotiation's prerequisites are Roman's Sorrow, Have a Heart, and Photo Shoot. I think Roman's kidnapping occurs when those prerequisites are complete, then Hostile Negotiation is delayed until you've done any two available missions of your choice. Mallorie's call that Roman is missing comes after you do one mission. After you do another mission you get her second call that starts Hostile Negotiation.

 

If you deliberately fail Hostile Negotiation and ignore Mallorie calling, you can do other missions. Realistically, Niko wouldn't behave that way, but the strategy guide doesn't list Hostile Negotiation being required to unlock any mission before Weekend at Florian's. You'd have to hang up on Mallorie a LOT to get that far without rescuing Roman.

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I originally wanted to keep "End of Chapter" and "Bad Standing" as late as possible. According to the guide it`s possible to leave it til after "Roman`s Holiday" but you can`t do that mission til you`ve done "Bad Standing"

 

I was also looking at the Liberty Tree website and the article about the counterfeit money shows a pic of the same pallet of money that`s in the bank, even the floor tiles are the same.

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[A] Roman's Holiday Mallorie tells you that Roman is missing before The Holland Play

 

I just got this call and tried to figure out what triggers it. This is a section of the game where the player can choose among many missions.

 

According to the strategy guide, Hostile Negotiation's prerequisites are Roman's Sorrow, Have a Heart, and Photo Shoot. I think Roman's kidnapping occurs when those prerequisites are complete, then Hostile Negotiation is delayed until you've done any two available missions of your choice. Mallorie's call that Roman is missing comes after you do one mission. After you do another mission you get her second call that starts Hostile Negotiation.

 

If you deliberately fail Hostile Negotiation and ignore Mallorie calling, you can do other missions. Realistically, Niko wouldn't behave that way, but the strategy guide doesn't list Hostile Negotiation being required to unlock any mission before Weekend at Florian's. You'd have to hang up on Mallorie a LOT to get that far without rescuing Roman.

Yeah Mallorie calls you shortly after Photo shoot but by the time she calls you to say that Roman has been kidnapped which starts Hostile Negotiation you could easily have Ruff Rider, Undress to Kill and The Holland Play Completed. At most you would have to ignore her call once Maybe Twice. I have Roman's Holiday after Photo Shoot so either way it's correct.

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In my current game I didn't do Liberty City Choppers and Bad Cop Drop till after Buyer's Market, but following Bad Cop Drop, two TLAD-only stories appeared on Liberty Tree: Crooked Cops, and Toilets. A version of the toilets story also appears on PLO. At the same time, I found two crossover stories on Weazel News online: Bridge Openings, and Drugs and Terror.

 

The Algonquin bridges are opened after Blow Your Cover in IV so Bridge Openings in TLAD must refer to Buyer's Market. I doubt Bad Cop Drop unlocks Bridge Openings if played before Buyer's Market. Maybe this group of news stories is unlocked by the combination of completing all pre-Stubbs missions.

 

Drugs and Terror, listed as an older story than Bridge Openings, is a generic social-issue story that appeared in my current IV game after Out of the Closet. TLAD could be suggesting a IV timeline in which Niko's first mission after Roman's Sorrow is Out of the Closet, so he does Escuela of the Streets after starting the gay date process on LoveMeet. Out of the Closet should finish and unlock the Drugs and Terror story before Blow Your Cover.

 

 

 

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Is Mallorie`s first call unlocked by "Have A Heart" and "Photo Shoot" or will it occur before one of them ? On my last playtest the call came as soon as I`d lost the wanted level from "Holland Nights"

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It's all getting a bit confusing sad.gif

 

I'm currently Playing both stories in the order that I've listed them to see if it works but I dont get much time to play so its gonna take a while. The reason I put Brucie's Missions after Manny's was to give TLAD More of a flow. What I know is that the bridge openings story appears before Buyers Market which actually contradicts Niko's Timeline as Blow Your Cover (which opens the bridge) and Buyers Market clearly take place at the same time.

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It's all getting a bit confusing sad.gif

 

I'm currently Playing both stories in the order that I've listed them to see if it works but I dont get much time to play so its gonna take a while. The reason I put Brucie's Missions after Manny's was to give TLAD More of a flow. What I know is that the bridge openings story appears before Buyers Market which actually contradicts Niko's Timeline as Blow Your Cover (which opens the bridge) and Buyers Market clearly take place at the same time.

Doing a Manny mission before Brucie`s "Out of the Closet" make`s sense, you dont want to be doing it right after "Roman`s " it just feels wierd.

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It's all getting a bit confusing  sad.gif

 

I'm currently Playing both stories in the order that I've listed them to see if it works but I dont get much time to play so its gonna take a while. The reason I put Brucie's Missions after Manny's was to give TLAD More of a flow. What I know is that the bridge openings story appears before Buyers Market which actually contradicts Niko's Timeline as Blow Your Cover (which opens the bridge) and Buyers Market clearly take place at the same time.

Doing a Manny mission before Brucie`s "Out of the Closet" make`s sense, you dont want to be doing it right after "Roman`s " it just feels wierd.

Yeah cause he seems so happy in the intro which he wouldn't be after Roman's Sorrow.

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In my current TLAD game the bridge story was unlocked by Bad Cop Drop, but I did Bad Cop Drop after Buyer's Market. In this order there was no conflict with IV regarding the bridge story.

 

The news story that gets unlocked by Out of the Closet is not a story about of Out of the Closet so it could be ignored, but the order of the stories in TLAD suggests a mission order for IV.

 

Out of the Closet is unlocked by Roman's Sorrow. Brucie calls or txts Niko to ask him to come over, so it's not wrong to do that mission then. If the characters seem too happy, its just giddiness from being emotionally drained.

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Is Mallorie`s first call unlocked by "Have A Heart" and "Photo Shoot" or will it occur before one of them ? On my last playtest the call came as soon as I`d lost the wanted level from "Holland Nights"

I don't think Mallorie can call about Roman missing if the prerequisites to play Hostile Negotiation haven't been met, because then you'd be free to do a whole lot of missions and side missions without triggering Hostile Negotiation and Roman could be missing for weeks. I think you must have done Holland Nights after Have A Heart and Photo Shoot.

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Is Mallorie`s first call unlocked by "Have A Heart" and "Photo Shoot" or will it occur before one of them ? On my last playtest the call came as soon as I`d lost the wanted level from "Holland Nights"

I don't think Mallorie can call about Roman missing if the prerequisites to play Hostile Negotiation haven't been met, because then you'd be free to do a whole lot of missions and side missions without triggering Hostile Negotiation and Roman could be missing for weeks. I think you must have done Holland Nights after Have A Heart and Photo Shoot.

I did but I can`t remember if the `missing` call was before one of the two prerequisites.

 

As for "Out of the Closet", you`re in Bohan anyway after "Roman`s Sorrow", so do "Escuela" and then head on down to Brucie`s. I end chapter 1 after RS, it seems a good time to pause.

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Continuing with my news-watching double playthrough:

 

The Liberty Tree stories Goldberg Murder, Serial Killer Twist, and Biker Gang Troubles are simultaneously unlocked in IV by the mission Final Interview: Part 2 and by the mission This sh*t's Cursed in TLAD.

 

Interestingly, the Biker Gang Troubles story is about "a recent barroom shootout" resulting in "several young Asian men" killed by bikers. Although This sh*t's Cursed indeed results in dead Asian men, the mission is not a barroom shootout. That doesn't mean the news story is wrong: it explains why Billy suddenly has injuries before the cops arrive and arrest him. When Johnny and Jim went in to meet the Triad guys, Billy and Brian said they'd have their backs. What they really did was hit a nearby Chinatown bar and have a shootout. That's why the cops got called. Brian apparently ran from the bar fight, and now his play is to convince as many Lost as possible that Johnny called the cops on Billy.

 

Anyway, I'd say we have a pretty solid IV-TLAD intersection point here.

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Continuing with my news-watching double playthrough:

 

The Liberty Tree stories Goldberg Murder, Serial Killer Twist, and Biker Gang Troubles are simultaneously unlocked in IV by the mission Final Interview: Part 2 and by the mission This sh*t's Cursed in TLAD.

 

Interestingly, the Biker Gang Troubles story is about "a recent barroom shootout" resulting in "several young Asian men" killed by bikers. Although This sh*t's Cursed indeed results in dead Asian men, the mission is not a barroom shootout. That doesn't mean the news story is wrong: it explains why Billy suddenly has injuries before the cops arrive and arrest him. When Johnny and Jim went in to meet the Triad guys, Billy and Brian said they'd have their backs. What they really did was hit a nearby Chinatown bar and have a shootout. That's why the cops got called. Brian apparently ran from the bar fight, and now his play is to convince as many Lost as possible that Johnny called the cops on Billy.

 

Anyway, I'd say we have a pretty solid IV-TLAD intersection point here.

Definitely, on the radio in IV, the Biker-Triad war story is in the same bulletin as the Goldberg murder

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Continuing with my news-watching double playthrough:

 

The Liberty Tree stories Goldberg Murder, Serial Killer Twist, and Biker Gang Troubles are simultaneously unlocked in IV by the mission Final Interview: Part 2 and by the mission This sh*t's Cursed in TLAD.

 

Interestingly, the Biker Gang Troubles story is about "a recent barroom shootout" resulting in "several young Asian men" killed by bikers.  Although This sh*t's Cursed indeed results in dead Asian men, the mission is not a barroom shootout.  That doesn't mean the news story is wrong:  it explains why Billy suddenly has injuries before the cops arrive and arrest him.  When Johnny and Jim went in to meet the Triad guys, Billy and Brian said they'd have their backs.  What they really did was hit a nearby Chinatown bar and have a shootout.  That's why the cops got called.  Brian apparently ran from the bar fight, and now his play is to convince as many Lost as possible that Johnny called the cops on Billy.

 

Anyway, I'd say we have a pretty solid IV-TLAD intersection point here.

Yeah definitely. I was playing GTA IV earlier and The Puerto Rican Connection only becomes available after Out Of The Closet Part 1 so I changed the order around a bit. So the order to play would be OOTC Pt. 1, TPRC, OOTC Pt. 2 but I didn't wanna put part 1 and two in the list as to not cause anymore confusion.

 

I suppose Bad Cop Drop Could be Done after Buyer's Market in order to make the news story appear on the net at the right time... I'll change the list around a bit more to reflect this.

 

EDIT: The part of the list after Buyer's Market is already pretty crowded so I think I'll just leave well enough alone. Although does the story say the bridges ARE open open or there is plans to open the bridge back up? Cause that's what could be throwing us off. And that theory about the bar shootout seems pretty solid.

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Yeah definitely. I was playing GTA IV earlier and The Puerto Rican Connection only becomes available after Out Of The Closet Part 1 so I changed the order around a bit. So the order to play would be OOTC Pt. 1, TPRC, OOTC Pt. 2 but I didn't wanna put part 1 and two in the list as to not cause anymore confusion.

According to the strategy guide The Puerto Rican Connection is unlocked by Blow Your Cover. Or do you mean the first Manny mission Escuela of the Streets? That's unlocked by Roman's Sorrow, although there might be a delay till Mallorie contacts you to suggest working for Manny.

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Yeah definitely. I was playing GTA IV earlier and The Puerto Rican Connection only becomes available after Out Of The Closet Part 1 so I changed the order around a bit. So the order to play would be OOTC Pt. 1, TPRC, OOTC Pt. 2 but I didn't wanna put part 1 and two in the list as to not cause anymore confusion.

According to the strategy guide The Puerto Rican Connection is unlocked by Blow Your Cover. Or do you mean the first Manny mission Escuela of the Streets? That's unlocked by Roman's Sorrow, although there might be a delay till Mallorie contacts you to suggest working for Manny.

I didn't do any Brucie Missions untill after Blow your Cover then when I sent the email in the first part of Out of the Closet the icon appeared immediately for the Puerto Rican Connection.

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Yeah definitely. I was playing GTA IV earlier and The Puerto Rican Connection only becomes available after Out Of The Closet Part 1 so I changed the order around a bit. So the order to play would be OOTC Pt. 1, TPRC, OOTC Pt. 2 but I didn't wanna put part 1 and two in the list as to not cause anymore confusion.

According to the strategy guide The Puerto Rican Connection is unlocked by Blow Your Cover. Or do you mean the first Manny mission Escuela of the Streets? That's unlocked by Roman's Sorrow, although there might be a delay till Mallorie contacts you to suggest working for Manny.

The Manny/Elizabeta missions are technically one strand you can never have both open at the same time. I find it`s best to do Escuela, Out of the closet and then be able to do plenty of missions from that strand while waiting for gay boy to answer his email.

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Yeah definitely. I was playing GTA IV earlier and The Puerto Rican Connection only becomes available after Out Of The Closet Part 1 so I changed the order around a bit. So the order to play would be OOTC Pt. 1, TPRC, OOTC Pt. 2 but I didn't wanna put part 1 and two in the list as to not cause anymore confusion.

According to the strategy guide The Puerto Rican Connection is unlocked by Blow Your Cover. Or do you mean the first Manny mission Escuela of the Streets? That's unlocked by Roman's Sorrow, although there might be a delay till Mallorie contacts you to suggest working for Manny.

The Manny/Elizabeta missions are technically one strand you can never have both open at the same time. I find it`s best to do Escuela, Out of the closet and then be able to do plenty of missions from that strand while waiting for gay boy to answer his email.

I always classed Brucie's Missions as part of the Bohan strand even though theyre given from Dukes same with Francis McCreary's missions even though theyre given from Algonquin. This is because Have a Heart has always represented the end of the Bohan strand and Frankie and Brucie's Missions become available around the same time as Manny and Liz's. The Reason I dont put playboy's missions with that strand is that they logically lead into Dwayne's missions which are Algonquin based missions as opposed to Francis and Brucie's which have no immediate lead on.

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OK time for me to put up or shut up. colgate.gif

 

I want to make a guide to story intersections that doesn't suggest a particular mission order. Playing GTA is about freedom. Choose your own path with my Integrated Mission Tree.

 

There's room for improvement (I haven't added mission contact initials yet) so please leave comments:

 

GTA IV IMT.pdf

 

 

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OK time for me to put up or shut up. colgate.gif

 

I want to make a guide to story intersections that doesn't suggest a particular mission order. Playing GTA is about freedom. Choose your own path with my Integrated Mission Tree.

 

There's room for improvement (I haven't added mission contact initials yet) so please leave comments:

 

GTA IV IMT.pdf

It`s great, you put a lot of work into it. When TBoGT comes out I`m putting everything in mine and calling it GTA:300, with pigeons bike thefts Most Wanted etc all in the right (imo) places.

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OK time for me to put up or shut up. colgate.gif

 

I want to make a guide to story intersections that doesn't suggest a particular mission order. Playing GTA is about freedom. Choose your own path with my Integrated Mission Tree.

 

There's room for improvement (I haven't added mission contact initials yet) so please leave comments:

 

GTA IV IMT.pdf

Good Job man icon14.gifcookie.gifcookie.gifcookie.gifcookie.gifcookie.gif

 

And your right, GTA is about freedom to do the missions in what order you want. The only problem is that mission trees tend to get very confusing, I know that's not your fault, but still. What M.O.B and Mafioso did was just make it easy for people to understand the chronology of the stories and how it would flow.

 

Joseph X had sorta your idea where he placed all the missions together for one mission giver to explain what the prequesits are for the following.

 

So yeah, the mission tree is a good idea but I still think a list is something more tangible and easier to work with.

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After Johnny completes the story, he must be stuck in a time-warp between two Niko missions. Which two?

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