Non american Next GTA Location

[Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia]

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1.Rio de Jeneiro/Sao Paolo

 

-These areas are officially proclaimed as most dangerous place regarding crime.These "Statistics" are often inaccurate but very close to truth in this case.Prison uprisings happen very often.Street crime in favelas or Ghettos almost out of control.Massive urban area with beaches it is so great for gta.Also many blacks and even some native americans if that is even important.f*cking Awesome

Just imagine some mission on Rio carnival

 

 

2. Belgrade, Former Yugoslavia,Balkans{Southeastern Europe}( or Serbia-Nikko Bellic homeland)

 

-Only war torn area in modern Europe.Proclaimed by western media as Savage crime infested ghetto to avoid at all costs with where people kill and steal everyday and kill yuo for being stranger.Now that aint true(AT least People will kill you for being stranger part is so untrue}War leaves consequences-many destructions and wars as well as recent bombing of Serbia by western "peacekeepers".

Large city(about 5 million but info is very inaccurate) with LARGE crime rate-street crimes,drug traffic,a whole lot of guns in war torn conditions.

Serbia(Kosovo) is the main route of drugs from middle east to the west and due to war PLENTY of guns available for criminals{Here having AK 47 or Rocket launcher in shootouts is a reality unlike pervious GTA)

 

"Most of these proposals come from people who want to play as Niko again, to explore his backstory".-Yes and that story is unfinished

 

"Also, Rockstar setting the game in the Balkans, and having the Yugoslav civil war or its aftermath as a major plot point, would open up a huge can of worms that goes well beyond the usual controversy over sex and violence. Groups on both sides of the conflict"..-There are many groups in this conflicts but this would not matter in video game.

 

As for minorities there many Gypsy and Chinese neighbourhoods

Belgrade, Former Yugoslavia,Balkans{Southeastern Europe}( or Serbia-Nikko Bellic homeland)

 

 

3.Tokyo{Japan}

 

-Awesome Yakuzas with dragon tattoos dojos samurai wakizashi and katanas.A lot improved bare handed fights with marshal arts.

Bushido,ninja assassins, Story of modern ronin and clan fights- Incredible

and maybe even play as sumo wrestler

 

 

4.Paris {France}

 

-Large city with many poor neighborhoods and many minorities-Blacks,Arabian people,Serbs and many other.Would be cool.

 

5.Moscow {Russia}

 

-POCCI\IR 6PATBA or "The Russian brotherhood"-what else is there to say.Russian criminals are probably one of most powerful in modern times

Moscow is swarming with criminal and gangs.Mafia is everywhere so MASSIVE amuont of criminal stories.Cool

 

6.Calcutta {India}

 

-Atmosphere of India is incredible,HUGE overcrowded cities next to jungle with and indians driving much more bicycles and bikes instead of cars.

 

7.Australia,Singapore(modern pirates),Columbia(Cartels),Any African city

 

-Very interesting ideas but they probably wont do it

 

These are just some examples there are much much more criminals and more logically GTA to be set in these areas than america/england but

i guess that not many people from west know about that and they use computers most.

 

So what do think about location??

 

 

Felt like updating my last post reviewing possible settings . I've changed a few of my opinions, and added my two cents on some foreign locales.

 

 

El Paso/Juarez: I haven't seen this proposed by anyone (or maybe I haven't been reading this thread enough), but I personally would love this idea. On one side of the border, you have America, with all its promises. On the other side, you have Mexico, with its drug cartels and factories. This would offer a perfect opportunity to bring in a Latino perspective, and partially set the game in a foreign country, without losing any of the American satire (in fact, the setting presents unbelievable opportunities for this, particularly concerning immigration).

 

Australia: I don't think this would fly. To appeal outside Australia, you'd have to go for broad stereotyping, as non-Australian audiences wouldn't get most of the cultural references (the country's not really known for exporting its cultural products). Plus, I'm pretty sure that setting a GTA game within Australia would not go over well with the censor-happy Australian government. If Rockstar does try this, then the best option would be Melbourne, with its history of crime in the late '80s and early '90s (which some Americans have been exposed to through Romper Stomper - and even then, not everyone's seen that movie). Sydney may be the bigger city, but at the same time, it's less distinct.

 

Eastern Europe (the Balkans, Moscow, etc.): Most of these proposals come from people who want to play as Niko again, to explore his backstory. Let's face facts: Niko's story is done. Lingering questions will most likely be answered in the DLC. After that, we don't need to revisit it. Also, Rockstar setting the game in the Balkans, and having the Yugoslav civil war or its aftermath as a major plot point, would open up a huge can of worms that goes well beyond the usual controversy over sex and violence. Groups on both sides of the conflict, not to mention human rights organizations, would... not take well to such a game, let's leave it at that. Besides, the Russian Mafia has just featured in the last GTA game. We don't need them returning in the immediate sequel.

 

 

Rio de Jeneiro/Sao Paolo: Sort of split on this one. On one hand, it definitely has enough crime to support a GTA game, and nobody can fault it for not being unique. However, what do we really know about crime in Brazil, other than it's out of control? What do we really know about their culture? How many gamers speak Portuguese? That's the problem. Cultural barriers prevent this city from really working as a GTA game.

 

Vancouver: I already posted a comment saying how much I liked this setting. To recap: it has enough crime to support a GTA game, its criminal element is diverse (four words: Native American street gangs. No, I am not making stuff up - they actually exist in Canada), the surrounding countryside is beautiful, its position on the US-Canada border allows for some unique gameplay and plot threads, it offers plenty of opportunity for pop culture satire (being the center of the Canadian entertainment industry and the shooting location for tons of American movies and TV shows), and it's hosting the Winter Olympics next year, which means that it's about to receive a ton of international exposure. As for the time period, I'd go with the near future.

 

 

Tokyo: Having a GTA: Tokyo built around the Yakuza may sound awesome at first. However, it soon runs into two colossal problems. The first is the near-insurmountable cultural wall between Japan and the West. Quick, without using Google or Wikipedia, name the chief deity in the Japanese Shinto religion. Ten seconds. Give up? Most Westerners who can correctly respond are either Japanophiles, or have otherwise studied Japanese culture, and I can tell you that most Westerners do not fall into either category. (The answer's Amateratsu, by the way. And that's one of the easy questions.) Practically all of the references to Japanese culture will be completely lost on Western audiences, and in a game built upon social satire as much as GTA is, this is very bad for a potential location. The second big problem is multiculturalism - or, as I should say, the lack thereof. People of non-Japanese descent make up a tiny fraction (less than half a million) of Tokyo's population of 12.79 million. This means that the only significant criminal groups are the Yakuza and petty street gangs. This leaves you with the same problem as modern Detroit - no variety.

 

That does it for this installment.

 

Oh, and Polish Matt, I hope MM is reading this.

Definitively not america or england no more.Except maybe another hood story like San Andreas or Football hooligans but there are better fans in eastern Europe.There are so much much more interesting locations with atmospheric energy in them and with A LOT more crime.

 

So if it has to be there-

 

1. Blacks in any city,best San Andreas

 

2. El Paso/Juarez:would be cool to play with Mexican mafia,maybe 13 or 18 gangs

Edited February 25, 2009 by Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia

[UberTez]

Australia.

 

Has a few nice buildings, great scenary. "Do you want the land down under?" Cos I do.

[Mainland Marauder]

The poll questions do not support BB Code, so I neatened things up a bit.

[Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia]

The poll questions do not support BB Code, so I neatened things up a bit.

Tnx I dind not know how to do it

[Gundog]

Why didn't you include London? It'd be the first choice in non-American city's for the next game in the series.

[Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia]

 

Why didn't you include London? It'd be the first choice in non-American city's for the next game in the series.

Because I wanted to make UNUSUAL interesting choices not America and England where it is expected to be.Read the post.If it was NOT to be set

there where would you like it to be ?

[Girish]

6.Calcutta {India}

 

-Atmosphere of India is incredible,HUGE overcrowded cities next to jungle with and indians driving much more bicycles and bikes instead of cars.

Change the location to Mumbai and you can have three wheeler autorickshaws. Now, that is something I've never seen in a game. Calcutta (now Kolkata) is fine too if you're interested in riding in hand pulled rickshaws.

 

The only downside of the Indian setting is that you probably won't be able to drive without running over at least 3 people in a radius of 1 meter.

[Mainland Marauder]

The only downside of the Indian setting is that you probably won't be able to drive without running over at least 3 people in a radius of 1 meter.

That'll be awesome for a future edition of "Train Kept A-Rollin'"

[reform]

Rio de Jeneiro/Sao Paolo would be almost perfect for a GTA game. You not only have the slum areas, but also the high class, expensive areas. Plenty of landmarks. Throw in a bit of rainforest and some sunny beaches and you got a great all-round package. If I'm honest I hadn't thought about it being a GTA setting before, but it would be amazing.

[Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia]

 

The only downside of the Indian setting is that you probably won't be able to drive without running over at least 3 people in a radius of 1 meter.

That'll be awesome for a future edition of "Train Kept A-Rollin'"

Who said you would be able to drive??

 

Calcutta has about 300 people/square km!!!

Really India is OVERcrowded 1.3 billion people of 6 billion world population.!

[Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia]

 

Rio de Jeneiro/Sao Paolo would be almost perfect for a GTA game. You not only have the slum areas, but also the high class, expensive areas. Plenty of landmarks. Throw in a bit of rainforest and some sunny beaches and you got a great all-round package. If I'm honest I hadn't thought about it being a GTA setting before, but it would be amazing.

My thoughts exactly!tropic atmoshere,beaches, slums, Jesus statue, Rain forest in middle of Metropolis!, Prison and ghetto gangs, mafia, ethnically diverse and just plain Awesome!!

 

Edit-Okay every country have slums gangs and ethnic groups but still atmosphere is coolest!

Edited February 25, 2009 by Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia

[Leo Colt]

Heh, India seems like a natural choice seeing the crazy driving you can do in GTA is the norm there. A truly incredible and crazy place.

 

Australia has variety though, but it's true that crime isn't as prominent as in other countries. Still, it has the potential for some amazingly creative stuff, and of course, arid environments rock.

[Rios44]

Brazil or Australia. If it was Russia, or Niko's homeland.. Niko would have to be in the story, at least for me.

[Minatoku]

 

The only downside of the Indian setting is that you probably won't be able to drive without running over at least 3 people in a radius of 1 meter.

That'll be awesome for a future edition of "Train Kept A-Rollin'"

Who said you would be able to drive??

 

Calcutta has about 300 people/square km!!!

 

Really India is OVERcrowded 1.3 billion people of 6 billion world population.!

You mean 30,000 (I think it is much more in the densest districts) because 300 people/square km is called a low density area, even surburbia is denser than that.

By exemple Manhattan has about 30,000 inhabitants/sq kilometer

Paris has about 25,000 inhabitants/sq km.

 

About Paris forget everything that see in movie, the real Paris is not at all like that.

So forget baguette beret and cafe, the closest city to Paris in feel is New York. (very diverse, global city, high density, gritty, dirty...)

 

Paris is a truly multicultural city (one of most in the world), it has everything... (largest black, arab, east asian... population in Europe)

There is many poor districts, some that can be close of ghetto.

Many gangs, ethnic gang are not common, we have mostly gang by districts.

 

Paris has more skyscrapers or high-rises than any western european city... yes Paris has skyscrapers but they don't show this in movies.

 

It is even easy to divide it

North and East : Seine Saint Denis (Poor, industrial, ghetto, Paris main airport)

Central : Paris (Monuments, high class, business with an ethnic working class northestern part)

West : Haut de Seine (Wealthy and middle class high density suburbs with Paris skyscraper district and a few poor district in northern edge)

Southeast : Val de Marne (Middle class and lower class, a bit ghetto in many part)

 

So to end with my presentation of paris

 

Pro : It has everthing

Con : it speak french, arabic, chinese... outside touristy areas english is almost inexistant.

Edited February 26, 2009 by Minatoku

[Spräckta]

The GTA games are always set in English speaking countries. It's probably going to be in Australia or the UK. Hopefully different areas representing Ireland, England, Scotland. Like San Andreas did.

[Tony Mozzarelli 80]

Rio

Tokyo

London

Rome

 

 

Either of those would be an excellent choice

[ArcaneKnight]

None of these locations have the diversity needed to put a great story together.. You know how old a lot of those accents would get? English, Australian.. Wow I would get annoyed quickly. Atleast if the settings in America you can have a little bit of everything, without overdoing it.. I wouldnt mind some of these places, because Im sure they'd be good settings, and some spots look amazing.. But please diversify the culture, and not make every person in the game have the same accent..

[Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia]

 

The only downside of the Indian setting is that you probably won't be able to drive without running over at least 3 people in a radius of 1 meter.

That'll be awesome for a future edition of "Train Kept A-Rollin'"

Who said you would be able to drive??

 

Calcutta has about 300 people/square km!!!

 

Really India is OVERcrowded 1.3 billion people of 6 billion world population.!

You mean 30,000 (I think it is much more in the densest districts) because 300 people/square km is called a low density area, even surburbia is denser than that.

By exemple Manhattan has about 30,000 inhabitants/sq kilometer

Paris has about 25,000 inhabitants/sq km.

 

About Paris forget everything that see in movie, the real Paris is not at all like that.

So forget baguette beret and cafe, the closest city to Paris in feel is New York. (very diverse, global city, high density, gritty, dirty...)

 

Paris is a truly multicultural city (one of most in the world), it has everything... (largest black, arab, east asian... population in Europe)

There is many poor districts, some that can be close of ghetto.

Many gangs, ethnic gang are not common, we have mostly gang by districts.

 

Paris has more skyscrapers or high-rises than any western european city... yes Paris has skyscrapers but they don't show this in movies.

 

It is even easy to divide it

North and East : Seine Saint Denis (Poor, industrial, ghetto, Paris main airport)

Central : Paris (Monuments, high class, business with an ethnic working class northestern part)

West : Haut de Seine (Wealthy and middle class high density suburbs with Paris skyscraper district and a few poor district in northern edge)

Southeast : Val de Marne (Middle class and lower class, a bit ghetto in many part)

 

So to end with my presentation of paris

 

Pro : It has everthing

Con : it speak french, arabic, chinese... outside touristy areas english is almost inexistant.

 

Yeah movies and media is everything but reality.Paris SO more dangerous place then New york.A large multiethnic ghetto city with lot of crime and unrest.It would a great and real choice!

 

Abot India i don't know exactly the density but it is greatest in whole world.

 

Edited February 26, 2009 by Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia

[Minatoku]

 

None of these locations have the diversity needed to put a great story together.. You know how old a lot of those accents would get? English, Australian.. Wow I would get annoyed quickly. Atleast if the settings in America you can have a little bit of everything, without overdoing it.. I wouldnt mind some of these places, because Im sure they'd be good settings, and some spots  look amazing.. But please diversify the culture, and not make every person in the game have the same accent.

 

 

London Paris or Sydney don't have enouth diversity ?

What cities have diversity if these have not.

You need to know that these are some of most diverse cities in the world. Honestly Miami (Vice City), Chicago, Houston diversity is a joke compared at London, Paris.

 

 

Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia

I don't think that Paris is more dangerous than New York anyway it is more dangerous than everyone think.

In an otherway New York is the safest big city in USA but GTA game don't need to be realist in matter of crime.

 

Tokyo is one the safest big city in the world, everything is clean, there is almost no diversity but nobody doubt that a GTA in this great city would be fun and great.

[Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia]

 

None of these locations have the diversity needed to put a great story together.. You know how old a lot of those accents would get? English, Australian.. Wow I would get annoyed quickly. Atleast if the settings in America you can have a little bit of everything, without overdoing it.. I wouldnt mind some of these places, because Im sure they'd be good settings, and some spots  look amazing.. But please diversify the culture, and not make every person in the game have the same accent.

 

 

London Paris or Sydney don't have enouth diversity ?

What cities have diversity if these have not.

You need to know that these are some of most diverse cities in the world. Honestly Miami (Vice City), Chicago, Houston diversity is a joke compared at London, Paris.

 

 

Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia

I don't think that Paris is more dangerous than New York anyway it is more dangerous than everyone think.

In an otherway New York is the safest big city in USA but GTA game don't need to be realist in matter of crime.

 

Tokyo is one the safest big city in the world, everything is clean, there is almost no diversity but nobody doubt that a GTA in this great city would be fun and great.

 

Agreed there are tons and tons of multiethnicaly and architecturally diverse cities worldwide.And Paris is definitely more dangerous than New York.Dont know about Tokyo street crime but organized crime-Yakuza are extremely dangerous.

[Mainland Marauder]

 

None of these locations have the diversity needed to put a great story together.. You know how old a lot of those accents would get? English, Australian.. Wow I would get annoyed quickly. Atleast if the settings in America you can have a little bit of everything, without overdoing it.. I wouldnt mind some of these places, because Im sure they'd be good settings, and some spots  look amazing.. But please diversify the culture, and not make every person in the game have the same accent..

Do you really think everyone in London or Sydney all sound the same? That said, if I don't hear the appropriate accents much then it wouldn't lend authenticity to the setting. I wouldn't go to England expecting to hear people talk like they're from New York City, and I wouldn't expect it in the game. You would still have different people around. America is not the only cultural "melting pot" (for lack of a less tired phrase) in the world, you know.

[Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia]

 

None of these locations have the diversity needed to put a great story together.. You know how old a lot of those accents would get? English, Australian.. Wow I would get annoyed quickly. Atleast if the settings in America you can have a little bit of everything, without overdoing it.. I wouldnt mind some of these places, because Im sure they'd be good settings, and some spots  look amazing.. But please diversify the culture, and not make every person in the game have the same accent.

 

 

London Paris or Sydney don't have enouth diversity ?

What cities have diversity if these have not.

You need to know that these are some of most diverse cities in the world. Honestly Miami (Vice City), Chicago, Houston diversity is a joke compared at London, Paris.

 

 

Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia

I don't think that Paris is more dangerous than New York anyway it is more dangerous than everyone think.

In an otherway New York is the safest big city in USA but GTA game don't need to be realist in matter of crime.

 

Tokyo is one the safest big city in the world, everything is clean, there is almost no diversity but nobody doubt that a GTA in this great city would be fun and great.

 

Agreed there are tons and tons of multiethnicaly and architecturally diverse cities worldwide.And Paris is definitely more dangerous than New York.Dont know about Tokyo street crime but organized crime-Yakuza are extremely dangerous.

[Minatoku]

Yakusa are dangerous but they don't do that much violent crime. Tokyo is very safe but GTA game don't need to be realistic in this fact.

And fortunely that GTA is not realistic for the crime.

The game would be boring or the World would be extremely dangerous.

[Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia]

 

Yakusa are dangerous but they don't do that much violent crime. Tokyo is very safe but GTA game don't need to be realistic in this fact.

And fortunely that GTA is not realistic for the crime.

The game would be boring or the World would be extremely dangerous. 

On the contrary some Yakuza clans can be extremely cruel.And the World IS very dangerous place and everything you done in gta 4 is very realistic

except for the fact you do it all by yourself.In reality you would need a lot of influence men and connections do become established criminal....

Edited February 26, 2009 by Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia

[ArcaneKnight]

Every video, news report, movie, athletes, they all have that same similar accent.. Yea their voices might be different, but their accent remains. Id still play a GTA game based outside of the U.S. but it just wouldnt have that same appeal to me. I dont know if I could get as locked in on the story as I could with it being stationed in the U.S. And I think other countries like it being based in the U.S., a lot of these people will never get to visit here, so I think there is some fascination for foreigners playing a game located in the U.S.

 

Not only that, but nowhere in the world will you find cultures as diverse as the U.S. I dont know, even the black people in England have that same accent. It would just grow tiresome on me fairly quick. I dont mean to talk down on any one country, but for a GTA setting id rather not them do it outside of the U.S. Because you can throw a little bit of every ethnicity in, having it located here, a very diverse backround and heritage, people from all walks of life, different accents, different slang, different ways people talk and communicate. It can appeal to just about anyone, not just one country.

 

I dont know I guess theyd have to do one in London or Australia for me to know whether or not I'd like it.

[chngdman]

I can't vote, there is no entry for Vice City.

[Pr0xy_fl00d3r]

Im not going to vote as I dont see a "London" option.

[Mainland Marauder]

Im not going to vote as I dont see a "London" option.

Look again.

[Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia]

None of these locations have the diversity needed to put a great story together.. You know how old a lot of those accents would get? English, Australian.. Wow I would get annoyed quickly. Atleast if the settings in America you can have a little bit of everything, without overdoing it.. I wouldnt mind some of these places, because Im sure they'd be good settings, and some spots  look amazing.. But please diversify the culture, and not make every person in the game have the same accent..

Do you really think everyone in London or Sydney all sound the same? That said, if I don't hear the appropriate accents much then it wouldn't lend authenticity to the setting. I wouldn't go to England expecting to hear people talk like they're from New York City, and I wouldn't expect it in the game. You would still have different people around. America is not the only cultural "melting pot" (for lack of a less tired phrase) in the world, you know.

Every people talk different why do you need stereotype accents for?

[Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia]

 

Every video, news report, movie, athletes, they all have that same similar accent.. Yea their voices might be different, but their accent remains. Id still play a GTA game based outside of the U.S. but it just wouldnt have that same appeal to me. I dont know if I could get as locked in on the story as I could with it being stationed in the U.S. And I think other countries like it being based in the U.S., a lot of these people will never get to visit here, so I think there is some fascination for foreigners playing a game located in the U.S.

 

Not only that, but nowhere in the world will you find cultures as diverse as the U.S. I dont know, even the black people in England have that same accent. It would just grow tiresome on me fairly quick. I dont mean to talk down on any one country, but for a GTA setting id rather not them do it outside of the U.S. Because you can throw a little bit of every ethnicity in, having it located here, a very diverse backround and heritage, people from all walks of life, different accents, different slang, different ways people talk and communicate. It can appeal to just about anyone, not just one country.

 

I dont know I guess theyd have to do one in London or Australia for me to know whether or not I'd like it.

 

Talking about stereotypes I bet my both hands that you are american .....

People in countries other than america have less different cultures,races and dialects?

ha I don't even if you opinion is hilarious or sad......

Edited February 26, 2009 by Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia