"it's ok the cheat in non-ranked games"

[frkm]

just a short explanation; examples:

 

modding = q3 rocket arena; q3 osp; cpma;- -... even stupid counterstrike

cheating = aimbot, wallhack bleh bleh

 

try apply this to gta:

modding would be: race through a forrest with fred-f*cking-flintstone-like cars (foot-engine); batmans vs. jokers; wall of death mod feat. axes and swords and moshpitmusic

(all ideas © frkm)

 

cheating: spawning indestructable cars; unable to die; driving 99999999 mph;

 

to explain it with q3 again: play against aimbot SKILZ0rrZ is anoying, it doesnt matter if its free for all, team dm or any mod

analog in gta4: free play or any other online mode should be CHEAT-free

 

if u want to cheat, play singleplayer games or on lan parties but dont trespass my freedom!

[Straubinger82]

True...

 

Cause what would be the real true point in messing arround with mods, cheats or hacks in public multiplayer?

 

Cmon!

 

Be honest!

 

You just want to try things out?

 

Then use LAN, or open up your own f*cking game.

 

What is the f*cking reason anyone would try sh*t out in public-multiplayer?

 

Any thinkable reason I could think of... erm... is just a damn evil one, isn´t it?!

I got some problems to get a picture of someone denying that.

Just to add, the whole game has much more possibilities in SP, why trying out sh*t in MP?

 

In SP, I am also interested in MODS(!), and sometimes I even use a cheat to spawn a car, but that´s in f*cking Singleplayer. And in my case, I just use the one for a FIB-Buffalo... you should know why^^.

 

And yes, if there were a total-conversion-mod, that changes every car into the real ones (ruiner=camaro, etc), then, hell, yeah(!) I would be one of the first enjoying it. That is just one example.

But only when there would be servers with it, everyone can enjoy the same!

 

To say, serios gamers should open up private games, should not be the golden idea, ha?

What is wrong with guys arguing like that?

 

Instead of making your self stronger... there should be a interest in modding a mod, that makes you able to drink together, play pool, billiard or f*cking darts together.

You get my point?

 

To increase the experience for people I am playing with. (feel free to steel that idea... no Copyright!)

 

Some people should also realize, that "FREEMODE" could also offer some more thrills than killing eachother. Also keep in mind, your freedom should not conflict with mine,... and all is fine!

 

But to be honest... it is not really surprising... the annoyance of the real world is now even penetrating our entertainment side.

 

What´s next?

[C06alt]

You can tell a god hack in as much time as it takes to fire a single shot. Its the auto aimers I fear. *hides gamepad behind back. Seriously if you only play with a mouse, filter for auto aim off, your basically being aimboted all the time but you don't know it. I can take down 3 mouse aimers with doubletap headshots in as much time as it takes them to lock on and kill me. But of course i'm accused of cheating at this point.

[Straubinger82]

Just to give a nother example...

 

I would never be upset when a freakin bastard comes along (in freemode) with his ubercar... inviting me for a cruise... or astunning me with his power to spawn a hooker next to me... or what ever you may think of that is not like being the hero by killing random players with a rpg-rail-watchamacallit-gun in godmode.

 

I have never experienced a "nice" modder, cheater or hacker in Multiplayer... NEVER!

 

But here I have to say.... that is not really an issue of cheaters, modders, or hackers.

OK, it is GTA... but does that really mean.. ehm.. killing is the whole point of fun?

 

I do not want to start any word about griefers....

oups....

too late.

Awe! How do I hate that scum of the material that lefts in the corner of your mouth when you´re really that thursty... (robbed, I know^^)

 

That being said... I will have a good sleep tonight.

[High]

Seriously if you only play with a mouse, filter for auto aim off, your basically being aimboted all the time but you don't know it.

players that don't filter the auto aim are usually retards that can't tell their ass from their elbow, you shouldn't feel bad for those.

[eVacFilms]

Ok guys, Im going to make a new video that will illustrate exactly what percent of players in a server are hacking. and its about half.

[bananajuice]

I am sick of all the hacks. its a shame that cockstar didnt do something about it. I really dont mind it in freemode since its iopen to anything. but in teamdeath match or deathmatch and other game modes its just lame. All u moddeds should just stay on freemode. That is the best solution

[Maciver]

Using mods, such as spawners and what not, in free roam with your friends is one thing. In any competitive mode, such as deathmatch, team deathmatch, and so on, it's entirely unethical. It's not ethical, period. Theres nothing more to say about it. If you can't see that, I feel sorry for you IRL.

 

If you're one of those people that uses it in competitive modes, you're just a big fat peice of sh*t. Your mother should have aborted you. End of story.

 

f*ck you.

[Superholyhomie]

Hearing about cheating being "ok" in any multiplayer game is gross.

 

Lol, believe me, as much as I hate cheating in any way, seeing people just spawn a super-car infront of them is not even considered cheating as far as we talk about GTA. As long as there are more than a f*cking half shooting the rocket-uzi, spawning hellloads of traffic, flying in the air, and taking crap on each other.

 

/sigh

[Hergonan]

As far as i can see no such tools are available on the dvd, the files were hardcoded originally to stop low lamers like you edit the files... unfortunatley some bored stupid kid broke it and released MagicIV crap who let you bypass the games hardcoded files and edit them

You're wrong there.

The mod tools weren't made for hackers.

The mod tools were made for single player.

 

You cannot call anyone "some bored stupid kid" if you don't know them.

If you don't know what "hardcoded" means, don't talk about it.

 

Other than that, whoever mods/hacks in multiplayer are annoying little sh*ts.

 

However, if one person is going to play any game multiplayer on the PC, you should know that there always be hackers and modders.

That is the point of PC gaming.

 

If he/she wants baby-proof multiplayer, he/she should go to xbox360 / ps3.

[Drag_Drift]

Because there is cheating for fun, and there is cheating to piss everyone off.

 

Cheating for fun, is spawing Infernuses in freemode and driving like crazy bump karts through the city.

 

Cheating to piss everyone off is spawning thousands of annhilators to crash the server, or shooting everyone with your automatic glock RPG.

[Hergonan]

Ok guys, Im going to make a new video that will illustrate exactly what percent of players in a server are hacking. and its about half.

Ahem. look at your signature.

Can I call you a fag?

[fedde]

I'm surprised that people think an online GTA would be a mod free zone (or cheating, as some call it).

Modding is using an SDK.. All participants use the same mod.

 

Cheating is editing a game to play in a fashion other participants may not, with the game in its raw form.

 

So it's cheating.

 

You

 

thick

 

piece

 

of

 

****

[Hergonan]

I'm surprised that people think an online GTA would be a mod free zone (or cheating, as some call it).

Modding is using an SDK.. All participants use the same mod.

 

Cheating is editing a game to play in a fashion other participants may not, with the game in its raw form.

 

So it's cheating.

 

You

 

thick

 

piece

 

of

 

****

Modding is modifying the game. SDK or no SDK.

Cheating is using mods,hacks,trainers, etc... to gain advantage.

Learn to play.

[mkey82]

Again with more nonsense.

 

Modding is not cheating by default. Lamers and losers cheat. People who like to extend their gameplay mod. The problem is with the f*cking GAMES FOR f*ckING WINDOWS f*ckING f*ckING LIVE. MS needs to separate those who have unmodified installation of the game from those who have not.

 

Attacking modders will gain you nothing. If anything can save GTA from oblivion it's a) mods b) next (hopefully proper) GTA.

[Hergonan]

MS needs to separate those who have unmodified installation of the game from those who have not

that's it.

[sjaak327]

I would have thought, it's not really Microsoft's problem intially, more like rockstar's, they are the developers of this particular game, not Microsoft, or are you suggesting that Microsoft should know the specifics of all the games that happen to have the games for live interface ? I would have thought that this is not part of the deal.

 

 

[3FaST]

 

I'm surprised that people think an online GTA would be a mod free zone (or cheating, as some call it).

Modding is using an SDK.. All participants use the same mod.

 

Cheating is editing a game to play in a fashion other participants may not, with the game in its raw form.

 

So it's cheating.

 

You

 

thick

 

piece

 

of

 

****

Modding is modifying the game. SDK or no SDK.

Cheating is using mods,hacks,trainers, etc... to gain advantage.

Learn to play.

Exactly.

 

Im amazed by the influx of noobs whining here. Did anyone notice that kids vs mature guys ratio in this thread is over 9000. You kids forget the meaning of cheating, which means gaining advantage.

 

Gaining advantage.

 

Can you now EXPLAIN how you gain ADVANTAGE in FREE roam?

 

Thanks.

 

(I'm pretty sure whining kids here are the same ones that kill on sight on freeroam and insult after I godmode myself and ignore them, driving around, having fun with other more mature people. I mean, if your excuse to kill me is because it's freeroam so you can do whatever you want, well then, f*ck you, I can godmode myself to defend myself "because it's freeroam". It's also funny to see people complain about godmode when you're having fun with people like jumping from buildings or something that requires godmode to stay alive.)

 

P.S. #2

None of this would matter if R* would go Dedicated Server route instead of P2P. A bit of MS fault since they don't actually support dedicated servers.

[pinky]

I'm surprised that people think an online GTA would be a mod free zone (or cheating, as some call it).

Modding is using an SDK.. All participants use the same mod.

 

Cheating is editing a game to play in a fashion other participants may not, with the game in its raw form.

 

So it's cheating.

 

You

 

thick

 

piece

 

of

 

****

Say for instance I mod the colour of the car I am using, this gains an advantage how? (modding)

I edit the vehicle data to improve the cars performance to give me an advantage over other players. (modding to cheat)

 

Distinctive differences there, needs to be pointed out some people will mod but won't cheat. Myself included, I prefer the satisfaction on fairly pwning someone.

 

 

[eVacFilms]

Ok guys, Im going to make a new video that will illustrate exactly what percent of players in a server are hacking. and its about half.

Ahem. look at your signature.

Can I call you a fag?

hey, f*ck you man. I stand for all the players that love to mod GTA IV PC and have fun with it, a feature exclusive to GTA IV PC.

[fedde]

Modding is modifying the game. SDK or no SDK.

Cheating is using mods,hacks,trainers, etc... to gain advantage.

Learn to play.

Erm what the FU(K? That is another way of saying what I said. Either it's on the same playing field for all players or it's not. That's what defines cheating over modding. Modding is when all players have the same mod and thus no advantage.

You thick pendantic tosser.

[fedde]

Can you now EXPLAIN how you gain ADVANTAGE in FREE roam?

 

Thanks.

 

Firstly how about you STFU?

 

I do not play free roam. All the CHEATING I have witnessed was on TDM matches and all the pathetic little geeks doing it claimed it was "modding". Not quite boyo, because I don't have their advantage of a pistol RPG or invinsibility..

 

Stupid stupid c*nt.

[sjaak327]

Can you now EXPLAIN how you gain ADVANTAGE in FREE roam?

 

Thanks.

 

Firstly how about you STFU?

 

I do not play free roam. All the CHEATING I have witnessed was on TDM matches and all the pathetic little geeks doing it claimed it was "modding". Not quite boyo, because I don't have their advantage of a pistol RPG or invinsibility..

 

Stupid stupid c*nt.

Well stop whinging and get yourself some nice mods too, problem solved, or go play freemode, probably much nicer people to be playing with in the first place.

 

The poster you have quoted is right on, couldn't agree more with it, the problem explained in a nutshell.

 

Time to grow up.

 

 

[CharmingCharlie]

If you guys don't start discussing things in a mature manner then I will close this thread and warnings will be handed out. There is no need to curse and insult people.

[Hergonan]

 

Erm what the FU(K? That is another way of saying what I said. Either it's on the same playing field for all players or it's not. That's what defines cheating over modding. Modding is when all players have the same mod and thus no advantage.

You thick pendantic tosser.

No.

What you said is this:

 

Modding is using an SDK.. All participants use the same mod.

Cheating is editing a game to play in a fashion other participants may not, with the game in its raw form.

What I said is this:

 

Modding is modifying the game. SDK or no SDK.

Cheating is using mods,hacks,trainers, etc... to gain advantage.

 

They are different.

You said modding is when everyone is using a mod... no, it's not.

You said cheating is editing a game, that is only partly correct. Cheating actually is gaining some sort of power/advantage.

 

Let me show you examples.

One person modifies his own skin to something else: modding, but questionable

One person adds a random car just to roam around: modding

One person adds cars to block other players: cheating

One person uses speed hack: cheating

Many people use a similar mod for harmless fun: modding

Many people use a similar mod to damage others / gain unfair advantage (even between each other): cheating

 

The last item, for example, was very popular in D2, where more than one people used mods to have "god fights". However, that still wasn't modding, it was just cheating to fight cheating.

 

(Yes, they used mods to cheat.)

 

Oh, and it's "pedantic".

 

 

 

hey, f*ck you man. I stand for all the players that love to mod GTA IV PC and have fun with it, a feature exclusive to GTA IV PC.

Well, your video shows you cheating in multiplayer.

Do you stand for all the players who use mods to get unfair advantage? That makes me sad.

Edited February 25, 2009 by Hergonan

[nvr2fst]

You guys can argue this for the rest of the year.

 

Modding is a great thing.

 

Online is a different story. Unless there is a modders-only section in multiplayer, it does not belong online.

 

You can argue all day long that you are just changing car colors or what have you but where do you draw the line? How do you enforce this? You cant. Mods are ever evolving.

 

If it is allowed in THERE WILL ALWAYS BE IDIOTS WHO COME TO RUIN THE GAME, PERIOD. I dont care what you say, they will always be there.

 

It is not a perfect world so you have to go for the greater good. Most people dont want modders online. So no modding online unless there is a section just for that purpose.

 

There needs to be a "Anything Goes" section. Sadly it probably wouldnt get much attention because these guys would get bored of "NOT" killing each other. Think about it. Most do it to cause mayham with regular players. That is their drive.

 

Think i am wrong then tell me why they dont open rooms just for themselves?

 

Free roam is NOT that section. As you can see it is not wanted. Most want to play with others, a straight even fair game. But the cheaters come and ruin it for them.

 

Modders who come to just play around and not take advantage of others (very noble) but still cant be accepted because the "assholes" will have an open door. And they will come. That is just the way it is.

 

So unless there is a section just for modders-cheaters, they do not belong on line.

 

I love a good mod, actually I look forward to a good one but I know where it belongs. I play with the one by Killer Tomatoe, (faster cars, way more realistic) but I dont go online with it.

 

This is just a guess but Rockstar could easily implement a block of people who have modified files throughout the game but they know so many people have modified files to make the game playable. They now would have to go through all possible differences in tweaks (files) Mod (files) and create a list of what is acceptable and not. Too much work.

Instead of blocking anything that is not a totaly clean file system.

 

Modding ability is a "Huge" reason for this game being what it is. It has been one of the reasons this game has always had such a big fanbase. The problem comes in when you make this game multiplayer. It is a give and take.

 

There is a fine line between modding and cheating. Sadly there are too many who will cross it.

Edited February 25, 2009 by nvr2fst

[Hergonan]

Yes nvr the solution is punkbuster and file checks.

Or some other method to prevent modding.

MANY MANY other games have done it, rockstar just needs to know that they need to do it.

Otherwise GTAIV multiplayer for PC will be no more.

 

(Heh, they still have x360&ps3 multis, though)

[fedde]

Well stop whinging and get yourself some nice mods too, problem solved, or go play freemode, probably much nicer people to be playing with in the first place.

 

The poster you have quoted is right on, couldn't agree more with it, the problem explained in a nutshell.

 

Time to grow up.

1) I do not want to cheat like a little bitch and have an advantage others do not, so no I will not get cheats (mods). Problem unsolved.

 

2) I do not like freemode.

 

3) The first poster didn't explain diddlysquat.

 

4) Erm, cheaters on internet games need to grow up.

[fedde]

Erm what the FU(K? That is another way of saying what I said. Either it's on the same playing field for all players or it's not. That's what defines cheating over modding. Modding is when all players have the same mod and thus no advantage.

You thick pendantic tosser.

No.

What you said is this:

 

Modding is using an SDK.. All participants use the same mod.

Cheating is editing a game to play in a fashion other participants may not, with the game in its raw form.

What I said is this:

 

Modding is modifying the game. SDK or no SDK.

Cheating is using mods,hacks,trainers, etc... to gain advantage.

 

They are different.

You said modding is when everyone is using a mod... no, it's not.

You said cheating is editing a game, that is only partly correct. Cheating actually is gaining some sort of power/advantage.

 

Let me show you examples.

One person modifies his own skin to something else: modding, but questionable

One person adds a random car just to roam around: modding

One person adds cars to block other players: cheating

One person uses speed hack: cheating

Many people use a similar mod for harmless fun: modding

Many people use a similar mod to damage others / gain unfair advantage (even between each other): cheating

 

The last item, for example, was very popular in D2, where more than one people used mods to have "god fights". However, that still wasn't modding, it was just cheating to fight cheating.

 

(Yes, they used mods to cheat.)

 

Oh, and it's "pedantic".

 

 

 

hey, f*ck you man. I stand for all the players that love to mod GTA IV PC and have fun with it, a feature exclusive to GTA IV PC.

Well, your video shows you cheating in multiplayer.

Do you stand for all the players who use mods to get unfair advantage? That makes me sad.

Listen kid, you are focusing on harmless utopianistic "modding", ie skins and car spawning..

 

 

In REALITY people are spawning boats all over the airport. In REALITY people are editing their weapons and calling it modding.

 

My definitions were perfect. You are an excuser for total idiocy and the whole reason GTA is bust. You try to split cheating and modding into separate categories by whether or not it causes displeasure to others... well you are incorrect kid. Cheating is playing in any way the raw game won't allow, on a raw server.

 

Period.

 

 

[sjaak327]

Well stop whinging and get yourself some nice mods too, problem solved, or go play freemode, probably much nicer people to be playing with in the first place.

 

The poster you have quoted is right on, couldn't agree more with it, the problem explained in a nutshell.

 

Time to grow up.

1) I do not want to cheat like a little bitch and have an advantage others do not, so no I will not get cheats (mods). Problem unsolved.

 

2) I do not like freemode.

 

3) The first poster didn't explain diddlysquat.

 

4) Erm, cheaters on internet games need to grow up.

Let me try and explain it then.

 

Part of this discussion is whether or not cheating is allowed in non ranked MP games, I'm not suggesting it is. I do however strongly believe that cheating in free roam is perfectly acceptable, for the reasons pointed out by that quoted poster, as in there is NO advantage to be gained in free roam, therefore there is no cheating. Perfectly logical and IMHO not too difficult to understand.

 

Now apparently you are the competitive kind of player, that's fine as it is, but you have either two choices, go and find games which are cheat free or accept it as a disadvantage of this particular game, as it doesn't seem very likely that this will end any time soon.

 

One thing I do know for sure, is that calling people names isn't going to get you anywhere, that's were the growing up part comes in.